Dave Pack: I Will Be Like A Mongoose Challenging A Cobra

Dave Pack Attacks the Man of Sin

Superfantaublous Dave will be able to show the world that he has God on his side when he stands up to the Man of Sin (Bob Thiel?) that's arisen out of the church.  As the Man of Sin attacks the church, all of the splinters will be sooooooooo impressed that Dave holds him at bay that they will flock to his side in admiration in order to finish the greatest work ever imagined.

Now, we read and heard last week and the time before, there’s a period of 45 days from 1,335 until the 1,290 when the Man of Sin sends his system and his representatives directly into the Church, and the fire explodes in intensity on the Church, because after 45 days, there’s a group of people that didn’t buy in and there’s another group working with them. Now God allows some of them to die. We understand that some get slain. Some get killed, James said…They’re called the flock of slaughter; we know all those verses…but most, I would hope, do not.

So, we’re looking at what does that first 45 days look like? Because, here again, in Zechariah, Joshua’s given “places to walk.” Now that doesn’t mean places to stroll around town or the campus. It’s places that you’re going to go. “I’m going to give you ‘access,’” the Hebrew means, and this is important.

Now the entire world descends into chaos. Somewhere on Earth there has to be an authority that says what’s going on. So, number one—during that 45 days, the Work of God will continue, and probably mushroom. Because they’ll realize…And many, many, many, many millions know there’s already…there’s a place that speaks with authority, not exousia. In a certain way, I guess, it’s like exousia. The apostles were given some exousia. So I guess, in a certain way, we have authority in that regard…as though you were casting out a demon, that kind of authority.

But, it is critical to understand that the world is going to wonder, who’s got the answers? Is this right? They’re going to see things that do not add up! That’s why, in Habakkuk, it says some people know this is just a thief, or he’s an adulterer, or he’s raping the world! And there will be somebody saying, “You’re right”—biting and vexing him, I’m sure, because he can’t get the Press to agree with him, at least a little part of it that may have a big authority, if you will. So there will be many in the…

So let’s break this 45 days down. “Places to walk”…I wonder…It’s hard for me to believe, really. Is it…Is it possible…I suppose it is…but is it possible that there’s never any direct confrontation with this man and the two with him? Well, I have my doubts about that. I just have my doubts. I cannot imagine there isn’t a kind of a cobra-mongoose moment, if you will. Where, you know…Moses in front of Pharaoh…Elijah and the Prophets of Baal…or John the Baptist and Elijah confronting the Sadducees and the Pharisees and calling them serpents. I just would be surprised if that’s not one of the “places to walk,” if you will. I can’t turn to a verse; but conversely, I cannot imagine that it doesn’t happen.

Obviously, we’ll have 45 days to tell the splinters, “If you think it’s bad now, wait a month and a half,” and to get them ready so they have a maximum chance when tremendous pressure comes on them—tremendous miracles and power and fear—and maybe even, they see some people they know and love die—that they not collapse. Because remember, God’s overall purpose is that they pass—that they make it.

I can’t imagine going into Jerusalem and not saying things to the leaders there…“This is the wrong guy. The right one will be along shortly.” But there’ll even be another one that’s wrong called the prince of Tyre and the king of the North, and we’ll get into get into that more I hope next week. I can’t imagine not going to certain Israelite nations during this period, before Christ comes to sit on David’s throne, and telling the leaders of Israelite nations…I mean, I just can’t imagine. I had a long time to think about this…and certain things are not said to the leaders of those particular nations that things are about to change. There’s a new ruler coming…

Dave Pack: RCG HQ Will Be Protected During Tribulation

World Headquarters Campus

One of the myths that the Worldwide Church of God promulgated was that their Pasadena Campus was somehow sacred.  It was so beautiful that when the German Armies invaded the United States they would arrive In Pasadena and stand in awe of what they saw.  They would be so impressed by it that they would make it their war HQ and thus preserve the entire campus.  This idiotic lie was one of many that Gerald Waterhouse belched out and field ministers latched on to.

Gerald Flurry feels the same about his campus in the middle of the Oklahoma plains.  It too will be preserved because of its beauty and its sacred auditorium.  However, Flurry will have already abandoned his Edmond cult compound by that time and will be in England with Herb's prayer rock getting ready to dig up the Ark of the Covenant so they can haul ass to Jerusalem and let Jesus sit on Herb's rock and be crowned King of Kings.

Dave Pack, is late to the game.  His compound is stuck in Ohio next to a pollution belching freeway and a big lot store across the street.  Due to his inability to impress tens of thousands of COG members to join him in his superfantaulous work, he has had no money to build his holy auditorium or even his student center.  Since Jesus is returning to Wadsworth before heading over to Jerusalem, he is going to be mighty upset to arrive and find no auditorium in existence.  However, Dave's cult compound is so significant that a wall of protection will be around it in order to keep the man of sin out and anyone wanting to persecute the church.

But just not everybody is going to agree with us, and they can’t just come strolling onto God’s World Headquarters, into this time of enormous difficulty, as though God says, “Well, they can destroy the campus, but they can’t touch you.” You see? So the Work of God will be enormous during that period. Now let’s leave that for a moment. The devil will be blocked from stopping us and there’ll be angelic protection, but walls and super power will be necessary, because not everybody is going to adhere to what the devil is rebuked to understand, so to speak, if you can…if you can understand the obvious there.

Dave Pack: Jews Will Be Rooting For The Man of Sin To Loot The World So They Can Build Temple

Dave Pack's mind continues to spin more tall tales as the days roll by.  He has been discussing the Man of Sin arising out of the COG who will be possessed by Satan and will the pretend to be Jesus.  He will start looting nations around the world in order to send it all to Jerusalem so that the Jews can rebuild the Temple.  Workers will stream in from around the world to build the finest building ever built. Jesus apparently does not want to return to Ambassador Auditorium, Armstrong Auditorium or Dave Pack's unbuilt auditorium.

One additional point from last week, however, before we get back into more regarding exousiacomes. If we go back to Ezra, chapter 3, it’ll give you an interesting insight into how the Jews and the Man of Sin will think once the sacrifices begin, and it probably would have been a good thing to mention last week, but…I, I had it in my notes and then just skipped over it…but in Ezra 3, you’ll recall that as soon as the Jews came back from Babylon and they were prepared to build Zerubbabel’s Temple in the wake of Solomon’s being destroyed, the first thing they did, in the fall of the year, right around Trumpets, was start the daily sacrifices. Verse 4, we can pick up…

“They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required” (Ezra 3:4). The first thing you do, though…you start the sacrifices, and then you build the temple. But actually, there’s something you do between the sacrifices and building the temple, and I wish I would have included it last week, but here we go…

“And afterward [verse 5; they] offered the continual burnt offering, both…the new moons…all the set feasts of the LORD that were consecrated…of the LORD that were consecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the LORD. From the first day of the seventh month [That’s Trumpets] began they to offer burnt offerings unto…[the foundation]…But the foundation of the temple of the LORD was not yet laid” (vs. 5-6). So they started the sacrifices, and immediately, they began pouring in tremendous amounts of money and funding to build the temple.

Well, that’s what is going to drive the Man of Sin, with the Jews rooting for him, to loot the world. One of the reasons he does that, of course, is to have the funds and the materials and probably even the skilled labor to build the temple of the Lord. So it’s interesting, the Jews’ next problem was money after the sacrifices began; the first problem when the Man of Sin, the antichrist, comes, after the sacrifices begin, will be money, and he’s “God,” so he’ll go obtain it. And so I thought you’d find that interesting.

Obeying the Voices in Their Heads: Was Ezekiel Mentally Ill?

How would one ever know who was influencing who?

Was it the voice of God?

The Voice of Satan?

or

Mental Illness?

"Encouraging people to embrace those voices and then trying to normalize that behavior, is the most dangerous approach yet. Doctors will try anything. Well, almost anything. If you tell them this is a spiritual problem, you’ll be shot down. Voices, they reason, are just a product of physical abnormalities and we have to learn to live with them. There couldn’t possibly be any other explanation.

The answer is clear and simple, however, if you believe in God, read the Bible, and understand that there is a spirit world. 

Revelation 12 explains that Satan the devil “deceives the whole world.” The Bible says he was cast down to Earth along with the demons! This may sound strange or old-fashioned to the intellectuals of this world, but if they would work from this foundation, understanding that this world is held captive by the devil, they would be able to understand why so many people are hearing voices and why those numbers have increased since the mid-1980s. They would understand that encouraging people to entertain those voices is the most dangerous prescription they can give! It is incredibly dangerous for society to try to normalize this sort of behavior!"

Sam Livingston

"Is It Normal to Hear Voices in Your Head"

The Trumpet

July 3, 2017  

The Major Prophet Ezekiel listened to the voices in his head and obeyed them to the letter. His behaviors were bizarre. Was the stress of the times driving his psychosis?  How could we ever know any prophet or OT Patriarch such a Moses or Abraham wasn't simply mentally ill in a day and age when such behaviors were not understood but held to be a spiritual manifestation from God?  Why is Ezekiel considered a True Prophet while anyone else with the identical behaviors would be considered hearing the voice of Satan by religious zealots or mentally ill in the medical world?

Even Mary  and Jesus's brothers were troubled with Jesus behaviors and...

"When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."
Mark 3:21 
(This Mary had never heard of the miraculous visitations by Angels and  Virgin Birth of Jesus obviously or she had a very short memory )

Back to the Major Prophet Ezekiel...

Ezekiel 4New International Version (NIV)

Siege of Jerusalem Symbolized

4 “Now, son of man, take a block of clay, put it in front of you and draw the city of Jerusalem on it. 2 Then lay siege to it: Erect siege works against it, build a ramp up to it, set up camps against it and put battering rams around it. 3 Then take an iron pan, place it as an iron wall between you and the city and turn your face toward it. It will be under siege, and you shall besiege it. This will be a sign to the people of Israel.

4 “Then lie on your left side and put the sin of the people of Israel upon yourself.[a] You are to bear their sin for the number of days you lie on your side. 5 I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin. So for 390 days you will bear the sin of the people of Israel.

6 “After you have finished this, lie down again, this time on your right side, and bear the sin of the people of Judah. I have assigned you 40 days, a day for each year. 7 Turn your face toward the siege of Jerusalem and with bared arm prophesy against her. 8 I will tie you up with ropes so that you cannot turn from one side to the other until you have finished the days of your siege.

9 “Take wheat and barley, beans and lentils, millet and spelt; put them in a storage jar and use them to make bread for yourself. You are to eat it during the 390 days you lie on your side. 10 Weigh out twenty shekels[b]of food to eat each day and eat it at set times. 11 Also measure out a sixth of a hin[c] of water and drink it at set times. 12 Eat the food as you would a loaf of barley bread; bake it in the sight of the people, using human excrement for fuel.” 13 The Lord said, “In this way the people of Israel will eat defiled food among the nations where I will drive them.”

14 Then I said, “Not so, Sovereign Lord! I have never defiled myself. From my youth until now I have never eaten anything found dead or torn by wild animals. No impure meat has ever entered my mouth.”

15 “Very well,” he said, “I will let you bake your bread over cow dung instead of human excrement.”  (The voice changes its mind)

Modern Psychiatry comments about Ezekiel's behaviors and symptoms...

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/196/2/101

"Like any prophet, Ezekiel hears the voice of God and it is his prophetic task to relay God’s message onto the people. He hears the voice of God more often (93 times) than any other prophet, and the way God addresses him as ‘ son of man’ or ‘mortal’ is also unique. Ezekiel experiences a variety of other auditory phenomena, including command hallucinations which are not described in any other prophet, 3:3 ‘He said to me; mortal eat this scroll that I give to you and fill your stomach with it. Then I ate it; and in my mouth it was as sweet as honey.’

Even the rabbis thought it was strange that Ezekiel actually ate the scroll and they explained it by saying he was ingesting the wisdom of the Torah (law). Other examples of command hallucinations which are carried out are the shaving of Ezekiel’s head (5:1) which would have gone against priestly prohibitions to shave. He is also commanded to dig a hole in a wall in his escape from the city of Jerusalem during the siege, 12:1 ‘ The word of the Lord came to me... 12:5 Dig a hole through the wall in their sight and carry the baggage through it... 12:7 I did just as I was commanded brought out my baggage by day as baggage for exile and in the evening I dug through the hole with my own hands.’ Note that the phrase ‘ in my sight’ denotes that others must have observed this. Ezekiel also hears people gossiping about him by the walls, 33:30 ‘As for you mortal your people who talk about you by the walls and at the doors of the house say to one another each to a neighbour “Come and hear what the word is that comes from the Lord”.’ Ezekiel hears the conversations God was having with others, 9:5’To others he said within my hearing “pass through the city and kill, your eyes shall not spare”.’ Sometimes this voice can be loud, 9:1 ‘Then he cried within my hearing with a loud voice saying “draw near your executioners of the city”.’ Like many individuals with schizophrenia, Ezekiel does his best not to listen to these malign voices, 8:18 ‘and though they cry within my hearing with a loud voice, I will not listen to them.’ In his visions he also sometimes hears voices, as for example in the ‘Chariot Vision’, 12:5 ‘And there came a voice from above the dome of their heads’. Also in these visions, as well as voices Ezekiel hears non-verbal auditory phenomena, 1:33 ‘each of the creatures had two wings covering its body. When I heard the sound of the wings like the sound of mighty waters like the thunder of the almighty, a sound of tumult like the sound of an army’. No other prophet hears command hallucinations, conversations with third parties about himself, hears voices in their visions, or has non-verbal auditory experiences. All these auditory phenomena are said to be characteristic of schizophrenia.

• © 2010 Royal College of Psychiatrists

What if?????

PCG Asks: Is It Normal to Hear Voices in Your Head?

Of all of the Churches of God out there, one would never expect Gerald Flurry's group to be asking this question:  "Is It Normal to Hear Voices in Your Head?"  

PCG'S Sam Livingston writes about this very important topic.

People who hear voices in their head are more common than you’d think. The largest survey ever conducted on the subject found that between 10 to 15 percent of Americans have had some sort of audible or visual hallucination. That’s according to a 1991 survey aimed at discovering how widespread these sorts of experiences are outside the mental health clinics. Over 25 years later, this subject is grabbing a lot of attention. And the big question isn’t how to stop the voices, but how to manage them. 

Is there a Church of God splinter group leader out there that do not hear voices in their heads?  That is how every single one of them got started!  They heard a voice in the heads that told them to set out and start a new group.  They heard a voice that told them they had insider knowledge about how God was going to finish the work.  They heard a voice that gave them new revelations.  The problem with COG leaders and false prophets is that not a single one of them ever asked how to stop those voices, instead, they let their minds rampage unhindered.

Livingston proceeds on with this:

The Hearing Voices Movement is a growing network of support groups designed to help people who hear voices. “The groups encourage an approach in which, with the help of a facilitator or counselor, hearers listen to, speak back to, and negotiate with the message they hear in hopes of learning to cope,” Frankel wrote. The New York Times reported that these types of groups “have tripled in numbers over the past several years, to more than 80 groups in 21 states.”

It was around the mid-to-late-1980s that the Hearing Voices Movement began to gain momentum. In the Netherlands, a woman named Patsy Hage began hearing voices. She sought the help of a psychiatrist named Marius Romme. The two of them are credited for revolutionizing the way society handles “hearers.” They stopped diagnosing people who admitted to hearing voices and started a global network that encouraged people to talk to and entertain those voices. 

Isn't that what Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack, and Bob Thiel currently do?  They all talk to and entertain the voices in their heads.  How else could these three guys come up with the absolute crazy stuff that they do?  It certainly is NOT from God! 

Livingston continues on asking "who is controlling who?"  Is Bob Thiel controlling the voices in his head, or are the voices controlling him?  What about Dave Pack?  Are his voices controlling him?

Psychiatrists will admit they don’t know much about the science behind voices. For the intellectual community, it’s hard to decipher the physical cause of what appears to be a spiritual problem. Some think it has to do with the way the brain interprets its own thoughts. The list of theories could go on, but frankly, no one in the scientific community has an idea that can be backed by evidence; they’re wandering through this trying anything they think will work.

Encouraging people to embrace the voices in their heads is a new approach and it is quickly becoming the accepted course of action for “hearers.” Corlett and Powers want to help people control the voices in their heads, but what they’re really doing is telling people to submit to those voices—this is incredibly dangerous.

You will have guessed by now who Livingston claims the voices are from:

Encouraging people to embrace those voices and then trying to normalize that behavior, is the most dangerous approach yet. Doctors will try anything. Well, almost anything. If you tell them this is a spiritual problem, you’ll be shot down. Voices, they reason, are just a product of physical abnormalities and we have to learn to live with them. There couldn’t possibly be any other explanation.

The answer is clear and simple, however, if you believe in God, read the Bible, and understand that there is a spirit world. 

Revelation 12 explains that Satan the devil “deceives the whole world.” The Bible says he was cast down to Earth along with the demons! This may sound strange or old-fashioned to the intellectuals of this world, but if they would work from this foundation, understanding that this world is held captive by the devil, they would be able to understand why so many people are hearing voices and why those numbers have increased since the mid-1980s. They would understand that encouraging people to entertain those voices is the most dangerous prescription they can give! It is incredibly dangerous for society to try to normalize this sort of behavior! 

So there you have it!  Demons are controlling Bob Thiel, Dave Pack, and Gerald Flurry!  Livingston says so! We all knew that was coming, though all three of these guys claim their god is telling them what to do and say.  It never could be that their minds have short-circuited and need some serious medication.

Livingston then goes on to tell us what we should be doing when we see these guys and hear them.  

Livingston uses Paul's words:

The Apostle Paul wrote in Ephesians 5:11, “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” In the Revised Standard Version it says, “but instead expose them.” This is exactly the opposite of what doctors are advising people to do.

Anyone with half a mind can see the fruits of darkness in the improperly named "continuing" Church of God, Philadelphia Church of God and the Restored Church of God.  Things just are not right in these groups. 

According to Livingston, as these end times rapidly wind down, Satan and his crew are normalizing the voices in people's heads.  Apparently, this is now various COG leaders justify their irrational behavior.  Of course, there is a remedy for this.  Read The Mystery of the Ages and you will never hear voices again!  Oh, and Gerald Flurry can help you stop those voices too!

Society, under the sway of Satan the devil, wants to normalize behavior that directly contradicts what God teaches in the Holy Bible. Undoubtedly, the media and the so-called educated of this world will label this as a progressive stance—but just keep watching, because the more people embrace this sort of behavior the crazier this world is going to get. The academics of the world are just as confused about how to solve the problem as the people going to them looking for answers. But it doesn’t have to be a mystery. You can understand why this is happening. You can understand who is involved and how they’re involved. And you can even know when these problems began to intensify. Chapter 2 of Mr. Armstrong’s book Mystery of the Ages and Trumpet editor-in-chief Gerald Flurry’s booklet America Under Attack will help you straighten out the confusing mess you see in the world today.

If the psychiatrists of the world set about examining all of the present day COG leaders they could publish hundreds of volumes on the craziness that fills the minds of these deluded guys.  While our craziest leaders today might be Thiel, Weinland, Pack, and Flurry, this does not let off the leaders of other COG groups.  While they are a little more benign, they are just as deadly in the end.