Monday, October 22, 2018

The SEP Music Flipout You Never Knew Happened



In the middle of the summer in 1984, Herbert Armstrong flipped his lid about music at SEP. Jowels were probably flapping fast and furiously. You could probably hear him yelling down the 3rd floor and in the elevator. It probably wasn't a good time in Headquarters! 

It seems that he was very upset about the choices of music that were at SEP back in the 80s. Apparently, somebody told him that they were going behind his back playing "Unacceptable Music." Which led to an immediate press release from Armstrong himself. That was to be read to EVERYONE. 

In short, he had a tantrum. 


I wonder exactly what music was playing that he got so offended about!

Madonna's "Like a Virgin" didn't come out until October in 1984. So that wouldn't have done it. 

One of the biggest hits of 1983 was Toto's "Africa". Nothing offensive about that one!

Of course, Micheal Jackson's Billy Jean was a huge hit clear up through 1984. This could have done it. 

For a variety of reasons! 

Lionel Richie's "All Night Long" came out in late 1983 as well. 

There weren't other songs that were especially scandalous in the Mainstream in 1984. To most of the world. 

But in Armstrong-Land, anything except classical music, musicals, Young Ambassadors, and Dwight Armstrong - and a few easy-listening stars and muzak type songs were scandalous. And somehow, the other music "Damaged" the kids.  

Herbert probably thought that the beat of the music would arouse all of the SEP'ers into wild parties of forbidden fornication. He always said fast beats were too "sexual". Of course, though things did happen at SEP, most of the campers just enjoyed music that was a little different than "Praise Ye The Lordo" or "Oklahoma" or "Singin' In The Rain". 

Well, you might ask - what happened? We don't know. But this happened just a day later. 


Guess what folks? 

No clarification was ever issued. And nobody knew this ever happened, because it was never read. 

Could Herbert Armstrong have become enraged at the rumor mill? 

Did someone give Herbert misinformation? 

What REALLY went down at SEP camp - or Headquarters - that summer? We may never know. If someone here knows, it would be interesting to know the backstory on this. 

But what this was is an example of the many rumors, conspiracies, and incidents that happened frequently at Headquarters as detailed in the Ambassador Reports, and from first hand reports of life in Pasadena. This one just happened to make it to the Pastor General Report. It never made it to the general membership - this kerfuffle about the music at SEP that get Kermit Nelson appointed as the Camp Director, where he remained for many years later. Wes White, a contributor here at Banned, has detailed other controversial incidents that have happened at Headquarters as well. The atmosphere at Headquarters was often not what we thought it was, out in "the field". 


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Sunday, October 21, 2018

What do GTA, Urantia, Proctor and Gamble, Indians, Hearts, and Cremation have to do with ANYTHING a Christian needs to worry about?

Obviously shocked to see the ragged and bleached out 1980's curtains.


How can a week go by without snickering at our resident self-appointed false prophet?  God's most special man to ever exist in human history (after Dave Pack) has released his latest video for his faithful to listen to at their weekly "sabbath" service of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God.

Doubly blessed Bob Thiel exhibits, once again, why he does not bother to really research scripture for a sermon on one topic.  He claims his members have sent in questions to his church on a vast number of subjects and it is his duty to answer all of those questions.  It is all a load of Armstrongite doo-doo.  All Thiel has done is use old reprint articles of the Worldwide Church of God letter answering department.  

It is all painfully obvious when you see all of the topics he covers in one sermon:

In this sermon, Dr. Thiel answers questions that have been submitted to the Church of God on many topics, such as: Is cremation acceptable for Christians? 
Can you wear garments of mixed fabrics? 
Does Romans 14:5-6 eliminate Holy Days? 
How should Christians dress? 
Is it right to have pictures of Jesus? 
Does Matthew 27:5 contradict Acts 1:18-19? 
What happened to Garner Ted Armstrong? 
Can you use a heart symbol? 
Should you trust 'The Urantia Book'?
What about dinosaurs and the age of the world? 
What are the origins of Native Americans, often called Indians? 
Can you use Proctor and Gamble products? 
Does 1 Kings 8:9 contradict Hebrews 9:4? 
Who is the 'elect lady' of 2 John 1? 
Was Abraham a Jew? 
What is a Hebrew? 
What was Ambassador Foundation for? 
Is 'Amen' pagan? 
Dr. Thiel goes through scriptures, facts, COG documents, and historical information to provide answers.
Are we expected to believe that his African members care about the silly questions of first world Americans? Do the handful of his American followers even care?





Living Church of God Calls Fast to Appease Their God

The kind of God needed for the COG's to function.

This past weekend the Living Church of God was asked to fast soon after the Feast of Tabernacles.  Many LCG members found it rather odd that the church just celebrated symbolically the coming Kingdom of God and yet within a few days after celebrating the millennium, where no one will be required to fast again, LCG members were told to reexamine their lives in order to devote more attention to pleasing their god and refocusing themselves into supporting the church in order to give more income to the church for a final witness.

LCG members constantly seem to be found guilty of doing something so wrong that they need to keep God appeased with works.  Instead of following Jesus, instead of the law, they fail to understand the rest they could have in the Jesus they claim to follow. All of this constant "doing" would be unnecessary if they understood the work has already been done.

Why Self-Examination? God told Abraham that one of the conditions of the covenant was to “walk before Me and be blameless [perfect]” (Genesis 17:1). Jesus urged His audiences to “Repent, and believe in the gospel” (Mark 1:14–15) and to become “perfect” (Matthew 5:48). The Greek word for “repent” is metanoeo which means “to change your life, to think differently, to turn with contrition and sorrow from a former course of action.” This involves learning to live “by every word of God” (Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4) and learning to recognize and eliminate behaviors that are contrary to God’s instructions. This requires “self-examination”—prayerfully studying God’s word and prayerfully examining our thoughts, attitudes, and actions in order to follow the example of Jesus Christ. This is what the Apostle Paul advised Christians to do if they want to become more like their Savior (1 Corinthians 11:27–32). One way to do this is to review the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20) and to consider both the letter of the law and the spirit of the law as outlined in Mathew 5–7 and Galatians 5:18–24. Taking time to work through this self-examination process will help us walk more perfectly in the footsteps of Jesus and develop the very mind of Christ (Philippians 2:5–11).
Have a profitable Sabbath,
Douglas S. Winnail

HWA: No one is CUT OFF from going above my head to Christ; or above HIS HEAD to the Father


Pastor General Report 12/05/80

But the Whole World is cut off from God except for Herbert and his cult. 

There just isn't enough Herbert for everybody. 

The door is open. To ministers. Not lowly members of course. 

Just don't challenge Herbert Armstrong. 

"''Nuff said". 

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Missing Member? Stalk Them Down, and if you can't find them, CONTACT ME OR ELSE!!!!!


PGR 08/20/82

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