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With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
Where would the Church of God be without Bwana Beto Bob Thiel in its midst? Never have we seen such an important man self-appointed man leading the Church of God as we see in him. Preordained by God to arise in the last days to be a thorn in the side of the Catholic Church and the Churches of God, the Great Bwana has continued to name his story the focus of his church. No human COG leader in the entire history of Christianity is as awesome as our very own Bob Thiel. He is so great that he had to post a post about himself, not that that is anything new.
One night during his so-called Feast in Brandson, MO he decided to do something so extraordinary we should all be standing in awe. He let a tiny tiny group of his followers write down questions and he answered them! ASTOUNDING! REVOLUTIONARY!
Check out his self-congratulatory post is here:
CCOG Q&A Live! In this sermon, Dr. Thiel, without prior preparation, answers questions just received from the audience at the Feast of Tabernacles in Branson, Missouri. He answers every question asked, except one that he could not read the writing and one which asked about a word he had not heard of. The questions answered included those about tattoos, Jereboam and Donald Trump, various groups of sinners, ‘generational sin,’ the ark of the covenant, relatives possibly going to the place of safety, Satan and descendants of Israel, physical preparations, ‘big foot’ & aliens, differences between the beasts, false prophet, & man of sin, the third resurrection, and more.
David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God took to the stage at the end of Services on Saturday, October 15, in Rogers, Arkansas, to declare a new last “last opportunity for 2022” during The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 399).
The First Kingdom of God accordion compressed from 10 days to 7 days again because 10 days did not fit due to that jerkface Physical Reality settling in. Cheshvan 1 is a super big deal, as previously noted.
Doing mental Twister with the Hebrew calendar, Jerusalem sunset times, and a protractor gets you to a sweet 11:03 AM eastern on Tuesday, October 18. (That is Tishrei 24 to the biblical scholars out there.)
As they travel home on Tuesday, members of The Restored Church of Another god will have a “not the last opportunity for 2022” to consider another failed date. More will come. And they know it.
@ 00:26 I wanted to at the last minute give a short message. All is well.I like to start with that.
Somebody, please ask him what that means. All is well? In what way? What is well? Certainly not Jesus Christ returning on the second day of the Feast. Certainly not Jesus Christ returning on Friday. Certainly not Jesus Christ returning on Saturday. So, precisely what is "well," Dave?
He said this five days ago.
@ 00:55 So, we’ll ask the question, “What If?” Sometimes God works in that particular way.
What if David C. Pack was a true apostle of God?
What if David C. Pack was really Elijah?
What if God was using David C. Pack to teach His truths to the people of RCG?
What if David C. Pack actually spoke on God’s authority?
The answer to these What-Ifs: Jesus Christ would have returned on Elul 24 in 2013.
What if David C. Pack did not claim biblical titles for himself?
What if David C. Pack was a man of his word?
What if David C. Pack got more sleep?
What if David C. Pack had learned from his mistakes?
“The Greatest Story Never Told!” would have ended before Part 8 in 2015. That series would have been scrubbed from the Sermon Library in Member Services and never spoken of again. It would have been the “dark times” of RCG, but by God's mercy, the ship turned around, and The Work was being done again.
What if the brethren of The Restored Church of God held their Pastor General accountable?
What if David C. Pack was surrounded by ministers of courage and faith?
Brethren would stand up during the middle of his message and walk out. He would be encompassed by people with Bibles in hand questioning his latest teaching. The Board of Directors would have voted him out of the corporation. David C. Pack would have been ejected from the ministry, marked, and disfellowshipped.
What if that happened?
He would be on the Venice Beach boardwalk wearing a straw hat, tank top, and shorts holding a handwritten sign shouting, “The end is nigh!”
The David C. Pack of our reality is just as accurate as the guy holding cardboard.
@ 02:06 I’ve had reason to wrestle with and think about, Do we have the exact correct date or length, rather, of the Kingdom?...Ten days or one week? There was a case for both before the Day of the Lord. We could never pin which.”
Remember when we counted 50 days to the “wrong” Holy Day? Then it was 40 days with a retroactive 45 nestled in there. Then it was 30 days. 10 days. 9 days. 8 days. 7 days. 6 days. 3.5-ish days. 3 days. Dave must really care about global warming because he recycles a ton.
@ 06:58 Now, remember nobody has ever understood God’s plan. They never have.
Take that, Herbert W. Armstrong! You prophecy neophyte. You biblical nincompoop with a fifty-year ministry. So says your self-appointed successor.
@ 08:14 Seven days would now precede Cheshvan 1 instead of Tishrei 1 and Trumpets.
@ 09:21 There were eight [days] more remaining. You needed seven of those before the new moon of Cheshvan, so we’d all take a day off, meaning almost certainly, no one in the world will even get home from the Feast if we followed the pattern that Israel kept 3500 times.
This should sound irritatingly familiar.
Part 269 – October 3, 2020
@ 1:25:18 And I’ma tell ya all, you’re not going back to your home. You saw it for the last time.There’ll be some who can’t handle that.”
I was in the room when he uttered this. In an alternate reality after Services, I asked him for his house keys and alarm code since he would not need them anymore. If I could turn back time...
@ 09:51 But there was that ten days of tribulation, and I finally had to accept when I went digging off into history myself that almost certainly that was historic.
Since David C. Pack is his own worst critic, we can put these two in a small box to see which one crawls out.
Part 396 – October 1, 2022
@ 1:43:57 And if it doesn’t happen, there’s not a chance, none, zero, and I’ve got more evidence, there’s not any chance it’s this year.Unless you want to doctor the ten days and take authority to either dismiss it or make it historical or whatever. Or change the Last Great Day. I'm telling you, it’s locked.
Seeing and hearing the words is more impactful than just reading them. The arrogant confidence is most appealing.
Based on that short clip, Dave reversed the nature of zero. He did find more evidence it is this year. He doctored the ten days. He took the authority to make it "historical or whatever." The Last Great Dave is no longer the focal point. It is not locked.
Wow. By his own admission, every single word of that statement is false. And this is the guy God is using to guide His church? Hard Pass on that one.
Part 399 – October 15, 2022
@ 13:52 In the end, ten days of tribulation, I just had to come to grips with it. Ten days of tribulation cannot be the Kingdom of God.
@ 14:39 So, the longer we’ve waited, the more patience we needed. So, now you just have to shave off three days.
Oh, is that all? That works the first time, but not the 30th just this year.
The people trapped inside The Restored Church of Another god will be shaving more. Before they get home, “more clarity” will shave off yet more time. Cheshvan 1 will come and go, with more time being shaved off. For the rest of 2022 and into the horizon, David C. Pack will continue shaving off more days.
Consider ordering Barbasol in bulk.
The cycle has been in motion since 2013 with no signs of slowing down. The biblical fraud must continue to keep the Common money flowing. That new tree is not going to plant itself.
@ 14:56 I did not expect to speak again. But lemme tell ya, something did bother me. Something else bothered me. I’m trying to take you into a kind of heart-to-heart here with the battle to get this right.
Everyone expected it, Dave. The antichrist besieging you who is more wicked almost than the devil expected it. What does it tell you when you are the only guy in the room who does not know what you will do?
The “battle to get this right” has already been lost. Nobody has to wait three days to find out. (Yes, a new countdown is on the website.) God’s Spirit moves a true apostle to speak the truth without a battle. I can easily imagine you telling everyone in Part 400 or in a Pathetic Update that you left the stage feeling uncomfortable because there was something WE missed.
You missed the detail that God is not guiding you, and you do not have His authority. Just a tiny point.
@ 16:41 So, I’ve looked at the idea of already rushes to call it out. He rushes in Habakkuk. Then he makes it plain. Really plain.
The teachings of David C. Pack are far from plain. More like the polar opposite. And he still does not understand the passage in Habakkuk correctly. I explained it to him in the past. The Enabler-in-Chief should add that to the summary of my articles that he reports to Dave.
The Bible is written so that prophecy happens as God said it would. It is not the commission of any human being on the face of the earth to MAKE it happen. If God wants David C. Pack to fulfill prophecy, God will orchestrate it by His power, not David C. Pack. The vessel flows according to God's will, and the scriptures shall not be broken.
David C. Pack thinks he must work, strain, and battle to fulfill prophecy. That is what men do. That is what a lunatic who sees himself all throughout the Bible fights to do on his own steam. A lunatic reads a Bible passage and tries to manufacture the fulfillment with enabler hirelings supporting him.
Men of self-importance seize the opportunity to make the Bible legitimize them. Men of no importance seize the opportunity to make themselves legitimize the Bible.
A true prophet of God opens his mouth, and God fills that mouth with words so that not one falls to the ground.
A false prophet speaks his own great swelling words that all fall to the ground and returns to him void.
A true prophet of God opens his mouth, and 100% occurs with 100% accuracy 100% of the time.
A false prophet opens his mouth, and 0% occurs with 0% accuracy 100% of the time.
How do your stats look, Dave?
@ 17:07 I had no intention of speaking this morning. But I could not live with the fact that there’re too many things that didn’t match ten days and too many things regarding seven days that did match. And still do, and we cannot shake.
What he cannot live with is stewing in the juices of his own failure knowing everyone at every Feast site knows he failed again. That includes the zealots people have learned to keep their real thoughts from. Even the zealots know Dave failed again. So, he HAD to push the date again. No surprise there.
It is a sad state that he can live with the fact that he is a false apostle and a false prophet. He can live with the fact that he is biblical fraud. A prophetic charlatan. A Professional Blasphemer with zero credibility. He can live with all that.
But the people of RCG do not have to. The exodus after the Feast will hopefully have enough numbers to send a Panic Alert across the globe. Maybe that will wake up those who continue to slumber and sleep.
The way Dave ended the message is worth noting for all those who cling to church tradition.
@ 20:25 No more song. No closing prayer.I wanted to keep it short, so the French and the Spanish, and the people in other languages could hear this before the Feast is over.
Says the man who skips commanded assemblies. Says the man who sets a date for the return of Jesus Christ only to walk it back or push it off. His rushing is so important that he decided the entire Feast site should forego praying to God and asking for His blessing upon the evening.
Shortly after yesterday’s article was published, the predicted moonwalking twisteroo went up in Member Services. Since “rushing” is not the wisest mode to live in, I opted to sit on this until the morning.
Trying to figure out what is being said is like reading a verbal math problem. All they needed to do was distribute the highlighted portion. Instead, they presented this needlessly bloated Pathetic Update.
Friday, October 14, 2022
True to pattern, the passing of hours has clarified the picture. A simple question presented itself: When God says the saints go through 10 days of tribulation, does He really mean 10.5? The obvious answer suddenly became impossible to dismiss! As soon as this was understood, a flood of supporting verses and proofs came clear.In effect, our watch was half-a-day off—actually starting Jerusalem dawn rather than dusk.This later arrival means God can spend time with the saints for a short period on the Sabbath before the 10 days begin. Put plainly, the window opens dawn Jerusalem time on the Sabbath. Again, each Feast site should do their own math. Continue to enjoy the Feast to the fullest in the little time we have left!
The Coffee Kid, Meat Shield (sans wife), and David C. Pack are circling the drain regarding viable ideas for the timing of the return of Jesus Christ. Extending failure for another twelve hours only bought them twelve hours. And that time is already spent.
Even the official Dave Whisperer for The Restored Church of Another god struggles to make sense of this confusing mess. I did not study biblical hieroglyphics in high school, but I will give it a shot.
I will not lie to you. This is going to hurt.
The new "watch" is set to start 10-days before Cheshvan 1 (October 26). That means October 16, which is Tishrei 21. Because this is all according to Jerusalem time, you must subtract 7 hours to get to Eastern time. On top of that, the Hebrew calendar reckons a day beginning at sunset the night before. This means Cheshvan 1 begins 7 hours before sunset here on October 25. Ten days before that is October 15, which is today, which is a Sabbath. Whew.
How is that for simplicity in Christ? ;)
Hopefully, none of you actually read all of that. It is a confusing mess because that is the kind of mind that occupies David C. Pack and the enablers at Headquarters who “agree” with the perpetual nonsense.
The bottom line is that the 10-day Kingdom that “God never intended” begins today at 11:07 AM!
Except, it didn’t. David C. Pack fell flat on his face again this morning, but the men around him will cast themselves on the ground before him so he will not be bruised by the fall. What happened to suffering kicking the learning mechanism into gear? Maybe that is for the lay members only.
Before this article was finished, the deadline had already failed. Do you see why I opted to not lose any sleep over this? My morning routine has become to have a cup of coffee while David C. Pack fails.
David C. Pack does not teach the prophetic truths of God.
That is not an opinion. That is a fact of history.
New reports of folks planning to leave RCG after the Feast are coming in. Dawn Blue and I would be interested in hearing your story when you are ready to talk. A growing network of former members offers support for those who leave or are contemplating leaving. You are not alone.
As a reminder from a mere week ago, re-listen to Meat Shield speak with sure confidence about what did NOT happen this week.
Shame on you, Andy. Shame on you. Take your awesome wife and get out. Steak dinner. My treat.
A friend who left Headquarters in August said that reading “Is ‘That Prophet’ Alive Today? – The Rise of False Prophets" was beneficial to her when she escaped RCG.
These words were written by David C. Pack and are found on Page 51.
Prolific Revelations
A less familiar characteristic of false prophets, and this is related to the last two sections, is that they are often extremely prolific in claiming newrevelations from God.True prophets always speak plain, simple truth, delivered without frills!
Typically, false prophets claim that they are getting “more and more insight.” They often work late at night (recall that Saul raged all night), while they produce things that are increasingly bizarre, odd and strange.They also claim, and I have seen this several times in my 30-plus-yearministry, that the new understanding they are receiving is coming “fasterthan they can record it.” This makes no sense if such understanding or supposednew insight were coming from God. If God wants to send a message,why would He give it faster than the prophet could receive it? As a man yields himself to the demon manipulating him, in fact, he does become
consumed with his messages and the need to deliver them. The God of peace would never rev His servants to fever pitch. The Bible does not record such a pattern.
I have dealt with any number of demon-possessed people. It is these spirits who create a frenetic, rushed, frantic mindset in those they are vexing or controlling. Remember—God’s Spirit reflects “power, love and a sound mind” (II Tim. 1:7). When what is being said, and/or a person’sactions, are continually unsound, it is not coming from God! “Revelations” often occur late at night because spirits know that themind of a sleep-deprived person grows weaker and more open to outsideinfluence! I have seen this pattern far too often!
Anyone who would like a PDF of this book can click the link HERE to download it.
Here are recent comments from a “sound mind” that counter what brethren are hearing and reading during the Feast of Tabernacles in RCG.
Part 390 – August 27, 2022
@ 43:35 I’m not commissioned to give you the day. I’m commissioned to tell you it’s close.
Part 393 – September 17, 2022
@ 10:52 I’ve not been to bed before 1:30. I don’t think, this whole week.
@ 08:47 If you asked me Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I’d tell ya it’s a week. If you ask me Tuesday, Thursday, or Saturday, I'd tell ya it's ten days. If you ask me on Sunday, I'd say, "I'm not sure." It was almost like that, and the men around me could never pin it down, either.
@ 35:08 So, we were not looking for a 10-day Kingdom or a 15-day Kingdom or a one-month Kingdom, or a two-and-half-month Kingdom. We were looking for a one-week Kingdom.
Part 395* (Special Comments) – September 17, 2022
@ 02:39 And as I was sitting, and eventually it got toward 2 o'clock, and I was pondering this…
@ 12:55 But fortunately, I figured this out late last night.
@ 11:15 So, it wouldn't turn on sundown or dusk in Jerusalem. It would have to be some later place.
A sound mind, indeed.
To Pastor General and Professional Blasphemer David C. Pack:
When you get back from Rogers, if you would like to discuss this face-to-face, I would be happy to come to Headquarters to meet with you. That way, you can get everything off your chest rather than being a whiny little bitch boohooing about me to people at the Feast.
I know you will not do that. But I still offer because I am not afraid of you. You are a false prophet, a false apostle, and you handle the word of God deceitfully. Repent before it is too late.
One compliment from you was that you did not refer to me as a liar. A devil—yes. A liar—no. Even you validated my credibility. Thanks, man.
The Feast of Tabernacles for The Restored Church of God has been refreshingly quiet on the David C. Pack speaking front. He spoke four times in the past, but so far, only once this year. Even a false prophet needs a little vacay once in a while.
The "watch day-by-day" sentiment was getting old, so they decided to breathe new life into the running joke by posting this in Member Services yesterday:
We are about to reach what becomes the final day we long wondered if we would back into--where the Church knows the day. Apparently the Kingdom was going to start on a Sabbath after all. Our watch is for about 12.5 hours from dusk to dawn Jerusalem time. Calculate accordingly. Also as we long suspected, the Kingdom of God is seven days (Sabbath dawn to Sabbath dawn) and 3.5 more of great tribulation before the Day of Christ. As best we understand, this is the last opportunity for 2022.
This is it. The end of the road. The long struggle to get to the correct Kingdom arrival date has been reached.
Sunset in Jerusalem today begins at 6:08 PM.
The 12.5 hours of watching starts today at 11:08 AM Eastern, 8:08 AM Western.
Sunrise in Jerusalem on Saturday begins at 6:42 AM.
The 12.5 hours of watching ends tonight at 11:42 PM Eastern, 8:42 PM Western.
Everyone can feel certain because the text is certain. This is very matter-of-fact wording:
“We are about to reach what becomes…”
“Apparently the Kingdom was going to start on a Sabbath after all.”
“Also as we long suspected, the Kingdom of God is seven days…”
Those sentences are constructed with a surety found when documenting history even though the David C. Pack 12.5 Hour Failathon has already begun. There will be more moonwalking before the day is over. What an exciting time in prophecy.
Note the 7 days and the 3.5 days mentioned as We revisit Part 394.
Part 394 – September 24, 2022
@ 07:04 …God never intended 10 days, or 7 days, or 3.5 days, or any days to precede the Feast of Trumpets.He’s going to do everything in that one day of so many names.
It is hard to know what to write in your notes with a pencil or pen. It is probably best to not take notes at all because whatever you hear will soon change. That is an established church tradition.
Deep down, Dave knows he is a fraud. That "uncomfortable" feeling that strikes him after he speaks is witness to that. Even when he constructs a concrete fortress of inarguable proofs, there is always a trap door under the bed that he can slip through when disaster strikes.
“As best we understand…”
Ah. There it is. It is all an undeniable fact…as best we understand. We. We. We. All the way home. Notice how Dave could not even bring himself to assign his own name to it.
…this is the last opportunity for 2022.
Not the “last” by any stretch of the imagination.
The Coffee Kid, Meat Shield (sans wife), and Dave conspired to concoct this last gasp of prophetic nonsense just in time for the Sabbath. There is going to be a late-night strategy meeting when nothing happens. So much for the day of rest.
My educated guess as a non-prophet/non-psychic is that he will speak one more time before the Feast is over because he cannot have everyone contemplate his latest failures while boarding the airplane.
The Last Great Dave is on Monday. He would have to speak on Sunday if he wants everyone to hear his latest presumption circus before they formulate their resignation letters on the drive home. Look forward to Part 399 on the horizon.
Dennis Diehl brought up a concept in a comment on the website that I will borrow here.
David C. Pack believes that each failure gets him one step closer to being right.
Most people who succeed get past failure and approach success because they learn along the way. Dave is not learning.
He is not climbing stairs toward being right. He is on an escalator. Each step he takes repeats the same errors, keeping him in place. That sounds like a form of hell to me.
The desperation inside RCG is becoming more apparent.
One disturbing development this year at the Feast of Tabernacles is the change of policy for events.
RCG is becoming PCG.
The Restored Church of God emulates the same Gestapo hardline tactics The Philadelphia Church of God perfected decades ago. Family members who are ex-members were ejected and disinvited from the Dinner Dance and the Not-The-Entire-Family Day.
This is counter to all the other years inside RCG.
Compromised “ministers” became enforcers, enacting policies they knew were unloving, yet did it anyway. Like a mobster given an order to whack someone they liked. They felt terrible about it but still pulled the trigger because the boss wanted it done. That is the RCG way.
The Chicago Heavy must have greater pull in The Restored Church of Another god than previously thought. Eject your teen from the home if they no longer want to attend. Eject anyone else from a Feast event for the same reason. 2022 will undoubtedly be "the best Feast ever."
And here we thought Elijah was supposed to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the children to their fathers. We will see after the Feast how well that worked out.
Not every problem needs to be solved with a belt, Dave.
Due to the constant leaking of information, maybe Dave was afraid footage of him doing the Electric Slide would go public. After all, that is what a devilish person would want to see.
If some families were on the fence going into the Feast, this would certainly help push them over to the side RCG did not intend. It would affect not only those who were removed but everyone who witnessed and heard about it. The Sword of the Lord was very active during this Feast.
Dave and Team Lockdown do not realize that by trying to plug one leaking hole in the dyke, they actually create three more.
This calls for another Star Wars quote.
Princess Leia
The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.
If God wants the information to continue to leak out, it will leak out. If God wants the information flow to stop, it will stop. I did not start it, and I do not control it. Let God's will be done in this matter. Amen.
It is time to have a little bit of fun once again.
Dave sang to the “ministers” during the Feast to remind them who they really serve.
Apparently, one message by Jim Franks at the Feast this year was considered really good because he said we should care and help others outside the COGs when we can. This just now occurring to them is pretty strong evidence that they have not been practicing real Christianity all these years. Earl
Imagine being a COG Leader in 2022 and not realizing it was OK to help those outside the COG whenever you can. Those who have left the church and many still in the COG's understand this and already practice it, but far too many claim that helping others is not good and takes money away from the church to spread whatever it is they claim is a gospel.
I remember when Joseph Tkach helped those outside the church that have suffered through some calamity and watched certain ordained individuals crap their self-righteous pants because he help unconverted people.
it's no owner the COG's cannot attract new members anymore.
