Dave Pack: The Three Shepherds of Zechariah 11 are finally identified. But not really.

 

Mis-Miss Translation

 

A poor craftsman blames his tools.

 

There is an abundance of blame to go around whenever David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God fails. Living in a broken reality where The Twilight Zone meets Groundhog Day, the tragic morality tale of the vexed Pastor General will not have a happy ending.

 

"The Greatest Untold Story!" Series is Unending. Dave's god is hell-bent on stringing the brethren along while ruse after ruse toys with their hope, eroding their faith. The Kingdom of God will never arrive when he preaches it will, no matter how much shouting is involved.

 

The truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.

 

David C. Pack teaches strange fiction but calls it the truth.

 

The Mystery of God is ended. Daniel is unsealed. God showed me this. I’m rushing to call this out and make it plain. The Series is over. The 1335 began last Thursday. Bla bla bla.

 

During "The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 417)," given on February 2, 2023, he had a few more make-believe topics hidden up his sleeve.

 

The Three Shepherds of Zechariah 11 are finally identified. But not really.

 

A mistranslation opened a can of prophetic worms. But, this was a mis-mistranslation.

 

 

The elusively mysterious Three Shepherds of Zechariah 11 has been on the minds of RCG members since 2012. Speculation about their identity has been going on for over a decade.

 

Part 417 – February 2, 2023

@ 19:11 I’m gonna show you an extraordinary thing. I found the Three Shepherds…I found them. I found them in one place after another, after another, and I’m gonna show them to you.

 

On paper, this would sound like the most intriguing topic of Part 417. But, as with all things RCG, the reality is not nearly as rewarding as we hoped.

 

@ 31:22 Now, who are the Three Shepherds? Who are the Three Shepherds?

 

That sounds pretty convincing, right? He certainly knows how to tease up interest.

 

Dave goes into the book of Daniel and then severely disappoints anyone interested.

 

@ 32:17 I found them. They are mentioned at least three times…I’m just gonna tell you who these shepherds are. Who these rulers are. They are rulers who rise in front of Nebuchadnezzar, and they are consecutive. Wow.

 

Wow? He was excited about this, like it was a big deal.

 

@ 34:01 And watch. I will show you. I’ll show you. You’ll see it…Watch this. So, those would be three rulers. Horns means governments. The Three Shepherds are rulers who are also called horns.

 

He tied the horns in Daniel 7 to the Shepherds in Zechariah 11. Boom: minds blown. Or something.

 

@ 39:52 This becomes an extraordinary statement: “Three rulers I cut off in one month.” That means they had to die before he [Man of Sin] came to power. And in fact, they died before he was in power and went into Egypt before the 10 days. Now, this has been a mystery.

 

He says “shepherds” means “rulers” and “horns” means “rulers,” therefore, the three shepherds of Zechariah 11 are the three horns of Daniel 7 that will be cut off in one month.

 

“How do three horns in Daniel prove they are the same shepherds in Zechariah?”

 

"Because I said so."

 

“Good enough for me.”

 

Theorizing about three unnamed, vague leaders rising to power before the not-resurrected not-Man of Sin does not seem like extraordinary knowledge. Honestly, this was a massive letdown because I was curious to hear what he had to say.

 

Perhaps nobody in the audience caught this but Dave never identified WHO they were, only WHAT they were. Saying “three leaders” without naming them or giving a country of origin or their world role today amounts to a gigantic turd sandwich.

 

That is worse than a Nothingburger because he built it up so much.

 

@ 31:24 Who are the Three Shepherds?

 

We still do not know because he never told us. WHAT is not the same as WHO. WHAT is not nearly as important as WHO. WHO is everything. WHAT is junior varsity.

 

To put a very fine point on this: David C. Pack never said WHO the Three Shepherds of Zechariah 11 are. He thought, assumed, presumed, and guessed WHAT they are. We knew they were leaders back in 2012, so thanks for nothing, Dave.

 

Yawn.

 

 

@ 03:16 Now, as I like to say, “Our old friend, Miss Trans. Miss Translations has revisited us one more time.” And it’s powerful. I can only wish (and you’ll say the same. You won’t believe what I'm gonna show you). I can only wish I had learned this long ago. I would have never wrestled if a single word were correctly translated. I would have never wrestled with three kingdoms or four. But, a very big mistake was made in the Book of Revelation...

 

In the Kingdom, Dave will offer sucker punches followed by apologies to all the translators he has accused over the years. His mistranslations sometimes have an expiration date of a week, while others are tattooed on his lower back.

 

Continuing the tradition of reshaping the Bible into his own image, Dave changed a common word in Revelation 6:17 to explain away months of waffling.

 

Revelation 6:17

For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

The boney fingers of blame are pointed at men who died centuries ago.

 

@ 9:31 Here’s the mistranslation: “For the great day of THEIR wrath is come.”

 

According to Dave, the word is plural, not singular. That is a vital discovery just as time runs out.

 

Dave concocted a new theory that the day of the great wrath is from both the Father and Jesus Christ. Therefore, there are three Kingdom periods, not four. (Insert rays of sunlight and angelic choir here.)

 

@ 09:25 It’s plural. It’s not saying one or the other. Now, that’s powerful. Had I known that, it would have been impossible to ever question whether the Day of Christ was other than the same day of God’s wrath. This is His day. His wrath.

 

According to Strong’s Concordance, hautou is used 924 times in the New Testament. Following this line of thinking opens up 923 other possibilities of pronoun mistranslation to be shifted upon need later. The Bible can now say whatever you want. A biblical charlatan's paradise.

 

hautou (G848)

Contraction for G1438; self (in some oblique case or reflexive relation): - her (own), (of) him (-self), his (own), of it, thee, their (own), them (-selves), they.

 

Using the same logic, any Prophecy Know-It-All could proclaim a mistranslation led him to see “HER wrath is come.” Since women are not in leadership roles, the only inarguable possibility is this is the Church. So, the brethren have a “great day of wrath” upon the world. Nobody ever understood this before because nobody else was ever led to look up the word.

 

With that bathroom door left open on this, anyone who wants to take liberty with any of the pronouns in the New Testament could have a field day. Wiccans would be excited to see the Bible teach about a goddess.

 

 

Mistranslations are not a curse to David C. Pack. They are a blessing.

 

@ 10:28 That means the 10 days of Tribulation terminated at the start of God’s wrath, which is not just the Seventh Seal, but the Sixth. I don’t know that was ever understood. But it's after the Tribulation.

 

@ 10:52 …and it's the wrath of both Beings. It is Their day. So, Christ's day or "the end" could never have been coming before Their wrath came at the same time. How I wish I had known that. But it never crossed my mind to look it up.

 

One thing about Dave is that he has a genuine skill (no snark inserted) of knowing how to string Bible verses together to make a point. With this explanation, he almost had me. I opened my reasoning to the possibility he could be right on this and tried to see it from his perspective.

 

To be fair, whether it is singular wrath or plural wrath will not make a difference when the time comes. Punishment from two God beings would be no more terrifying than from One.

 

But then, he had to slip a lie in.

 

He almost got away with his point without making a blatant and verifiable falsehood. I wonder if the man is incapable of speaking the truth anymore. It is as if everything he says is tainted in some way.

 

@ 11:17 But never looked it up. I don't think you would be able to do it in any generation before you could go to eSword and see that the Greek is 100% plural.

 

Record scratch. How many of the brethren fact-checked this?

 

The Greek word is not 100% plural. eSword calls out David C. Pack as a liar.

 

hautou (G848)

Contraction for G1438; self (in some oblique case or reflexive relation): - her (own), (of) him (-self), his (own), of it, thee, their (own), them (-selves), they.

 

The New Testament would need to be rewritten to make all 924 times in 767 verses plural.

 

Even Ed knows that is malarkey.

 

But, if the apostle and Pester General says the word is 100% plural, then everyone in RCG needs to accept that. Facts be damned.

 

 

The Packian Triad of Fraud missed an opportunity when they did not go to town on The Rules of Effective Bible Study #10 “Use More Than One Translation.”

 

As it turns out, that plural information was not-so-hidden.

 

The word is translated as "their" in the NIV, ESV, CSB, NASB20, NASB95, LSB, NET, RSV, ASV, and NLT.

 

That is an impressive list. However, all these versions are not suitable for doctrine per The Restored Church of God and Worldwide Church of God standards.

 

RCG has a booklet on the topic, “How We Got the Bible—Which Translations Are Best?”

 

It concludes on page 33.

 

Despite some inaccuracies of the King James Bible, we recommend it as your primary study Bible,

 not only because it is one of the most accurate but because many study tools, such as Strong's Concordance, Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon and others, are based on the KJV…No Bible translation is 100% accurate. But when God opens a person’s mind to His understanding, that person will always strive to divide truth from error.

 

Hmm. Page 33. Dave preached Part 417 on the 33^rd anniversary of his first doodie in Wadsworth. Perhaps that means something significant. But maybe not. Just a thought.

 

When you apply Rule #6 "Examine the Context," and Rule #8 "The Bible Interprets Itself," the correct answer about Revelation is…well…revealed.

 

Revelation 6:16

…Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb.

 

The wrath of the Lamb is identified in verse 16.

 

Verse 17 refers to the wrath of the previous sentence making it singular. The Lamb’s wrath.

 

Revelation 6:17

For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

The translators had it right. Derp.

 

But that does not matter.

 

@ 11:30 Now, that’s helpful because it leads us to the clarification regarding another verse that strengthens Abib 1…We’re building 10 days of Tribulation, then wrath, and then Abib 1.

 

Dave often makes his point and ignores the implications because he needs to bulldoze his way through his notes. The dominoes of misunderstanding topple one into another. He took this “plural wrath means three Kingdoms” idea and ran with it, fumbling into other cascading errors.

 

@ 21:35 So, in other words, the Great Tribulation begins March 12^th. Since this is February 2^nd, and this is a short month by 2 or 3 days on average, it becomes very important if we can pin down the things in front of the 10 days, but not until we've locked in old cement the 10 days.

 

The things in front of the 10 days land us on tomorrow morning. Tuesday, February 7.

 

@ 1:45:01 A few other things that suggest this is right. It looks like Elijah blasts at a full moon. That would be about the 15^th or the 16^th [Shevat – February 6 or 7]. Well, it turns out he blasts at the 17^th. Pretty much a full moon.

 

@ 1:54:28 I don’t see how you get past Tuesday at about, what, 10:17 or something in the morning here. I just don’t see how you do it.

 

But we know from the Pathetic Update Saturday night to not be surprised when nothing happens. A surprise was never an option.

 

 

Who are the Three Shepherds of Zechariah 11?

 

We still do not know.

 

Did a mistranslation in Revelation 6:17 open up an understanding of imminent prophetic events on the horizon?

 

Nope. It is fine as is.

 

What significant event will happen tomorrow morning?

 

Ann’s Pastry in downtown Wadsworth will receive a visitor. Their glazed donuts are the best.

Marc Cebrian

See: Mis-Miss Translation

Dave Pack Already Waffling - BUT, There Is No More Time For Messages Or Emails!

 

Waffling Already

 

If you have ever wondered how an antichrist serpent more wicked (almost) than the devil thinks, indulge in this behind-the-scenes glimpse. Brad, take notes.

 

The wacky messages coming out of The Restored Church of God are so thick with deceptions, contradictions, lies, and foolishness that it became self-evident that shoving all that information into one article was inefficient.

 

Shorter, focused articles provide more content spread over days to make it easier to absorb the Horror Show going on behind the closed gates in Wadsworth.

 

When David C. Pack spoke for 1 hour and 56 minutes on February 2, giving “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 417)," it was apparent multiple postings would be necessary.

 

Yesterday’s Evil Men article covered the 1335 of Daniel and how members leaving RCG are committing spiritual suicide. Cheery.

 

The plan for today was to cover another mis-mistranslation and how the Three Shepherds of Zechariah 11 were identified, but not really…not at all, actually. Tomorrow would wrap up Part 417 with how adamant Dave was that the Series was over even though we all know it is not.

 

However, flexibility in the whistleblowing business is vital. I make it a policy not to alter my personal plans due to Dave Chaos, but when it comes to reporting on significant changes when I was already planning to write, making adjustments is necessary.

 

 

The finality of Part 417 was over-sold, which should have been a signal Dave was going to balk.

 

Part 417 – February 2, 2023

@ 00:46 First, we’re gonna build a final foundation. There are a number of truly fascinating things I’ve learned…But, the way to get to the final parts of the Mystery of God…is to confirm some things that would be very helpful…

 

@ 16:10 …you’re gonna have your mind blown when you understand something we just were not to see until the very end. The very last message is to make things plain.

 

@ 16:47 I hope you will find this the most-fascinating sermon in the entire Series. That would be my hope. If not, well, it’s definitely the last one because we’re running outta time.

 

Part 417 is the Last Most Super-Fantabulous of the Series. Not so fast. I have a six-page document with statements like that. And that is not all of them. Dave is not known for making measured statements.

 

@ 42:58 So, I haven’t spoken for about eleven days. I’ve had an opportunity just to let God show me these final things that I need to see.

 

On-The-Fencers and All-Believing Zealots:

 

According to your apostle, God showed him these final things. Final. God showed him. Remember this.

 

@ 1:47:39 But, you need patience.

 

@ 1:47:48 But, if you had to wait twelve days before a last message inside the 1335 that was called out, and then you knew it's plain. The Mystery of God is over.

 

For those who wonder if these quotes are fabricated, watch the guy explain how final this message is. You will giggle through if it does not make you angry.

 

@ 1:51:30 So, in conclusion, there’s certainly no more time for messages or emails. This time, you outta believe it. You should know that.

 

He chuckled. What does that tell you? David C. Pack does not believe his own words. He could not say it without laughing because he knew it was not true.

 

People of RCG, are you paying attention?

 

@ 1:51:38 Let’s imagine that I had an entire sermon that I wish I had time to give it. There wouldn’t be time. Here’s the other problem: I don’t have anything left to say. Nothing.

 

If only that were true. If David C. Pack ever uttered something we all sincerely wished in our heart of hearts was true and unbreakable, it would be that he has nothing left to say. But that is not the world we live in.

 

@ 1:51:49 So, we’d have to wait for me to come up with another message, then deliver it, and then wait for everybody to hear it, and by then, we're probably inside 40 days. Do you see my point? So, you don't have to worry. Would I send an email, a quick email, or something? Yes, I suppose. But I don't know what it'd be about. I have nothing to say.

 

The words of David C. Pack expose David C. Pack. They plague him. They attack him. They are his true enemies.

 

 

Dave could not get through the weekend holding to what he said two days earlier. Imagine brethren coming home from Sabbath Services to find this in Member Services:

 

Prophetic Update – February 4, 2023

Brethren, if we make it through Tuesday and our wait is somehow longer (as was speculated to be a possibility in Part 417), Mr. Pack plans to deliver a message mid-week. In the meantime, here are a few verses to consider that could explain a longer wait: (1) Matthew 24:22 says “except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.” (2) Mark 13:20 “except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.” (3) Romans 9:28 “For He will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.”

 

That frequent, uncomfortable feeling nagged Dave all day. He felt haunted again.

 

A part of David C. Pack knows he is a biblical fraud. The wrestling match inside his head is sweaty Olympic-grade. Not that flashy WWE theatrical stuff. No, this is a bone-on-bone vexation.

 

The biggest doubter of what David C. Pack teaches in The Restored Church of God is David C. Pack.

 

Brethren of RCG, are you paying attention?

 

Part 418 is coming this week. Magic 8 Ball had already revealed that yesterday morning.

 

 

Now that you know about last night’s Pathetic Update, return to Part 417 from TWO DAYS before those corrupted supper-time waffles were served on rcg.org.

 

If you think Dave was done selling the importance of Tuesday and the finality of it all, think again.

 

@ 1:52:16 You have heard everything I know. I can’t imagine something is more important than just waiting it out now. Or, so important that I need to give a five-minute sermonette. I can't think of anything.

 

@ 1:52:40 So, I just wanna say there’s certainly no more time for messages or probably emails.

 

Dave is repeating himself. The time stamps expose that. This is classic Dave over-explaining as if the more he repeats a concept, the more accurate it will become. Repeat something enough, and it will manifest into reality.

 

For some reason, this technique is not as successful when you apply it to gain a million dollars and a hot wife. Dammit.

 

@ 1:53:43 I hope you found it as gripping to hear as I enjoyed speaking it. The Series is over. 417 messages on the 33^rd anniversary of my arrival in this city.

 

This also means it was the 33^rd anniversary of his first doodie in Wadsworth. David C. Pack’s valuable contributions to the community sewage system can now be traced back to a specific day. Note that for inclusion in Volume 3 of his biography.

 

What an arrogant and vain human being. Is any event too small in the man's life to hold some biblical significance?

 

For those who are off-put when I remind you David C. Pack is some great one because he doodies in the toilet and not in his pants, please remember that Part 417 was delivered on the 33^rd anniversary of his moving to Wadsworth. Call the mayor.

 

@ 1:53:56 Godspeed next Tuesday night, which, I think, would be Tuesday morning. And yes, I'm always gonna tell you, brethren, I don't know the hour to start. I think I do this time, but I'm not gonna say that.

 

He does not want to get nailed to a time, but he JUST SAID it was Tuesday morning, February 7. His waffling brain is twitching in real-time at the lectern.

 

Dave wrestles with himself from one breath to the next. This is a significant examination of public mental decay. I do not revel in the steady decline of David C. Pack. He was once "my father in the gospel" but has since betrayed that gospel. And he has betrayed the reason he founded The Restored Church of God in 1999. Whether the cause of his deterioration is physical or spiritual, the results are the same.

 

@ 1:54:07 It could go all the way it could be not Tuesday morning here, meaning sundown in Jerusalem. It could. What if it went on into the evening? Whatever it is, it is. I think I I think I've told you as much as I can, but I don't know how you get past the morning. If it's 3 ½ days and you need 29 ½ days, and that's 33 days before 10, I don’t see how you get past Tuesday at about, what, 10:17 or something in the morning here. I just don’t see how you do it.

 

Derp. He sees a way past Tuesday now. He will see a way past Friday, February 10. And then past March 12. And then past March 22. And then into Passover and Unleavened Bread. And then past that into Pentecost. You heard it here first, folks.

 

 

The Restored Church of God served rotten waffles on Saturday night. The spiritual food there is tainted and makes people sick. Yet, they continue to endure. The teachings of David C. Pack do not pass the sniff test, yet they swallow it anyhow.

 

It is sour to the nose. Sour to the mouth. Sour to the gut. Sour to the heart. The seats of the Main Hall at Headquarters are drenched in vomit. It is incredible what people are willing to accept as they continue to sit in puke and let more spew into their faces.

 

David C. Pack is not a goodman. He is not a man of his word. He is not a man to be trusted. Those are not opinions. David C. Pack has consistently proven God is not guiding him. History records those facts, which should terrify anyone still giving him their money. You are paying him to vomit on you.

 

Why does an ex-member/ex-employee hear the words of David C. Pack, but members of The Restored Church of God do not? The man tells you everything you need to hear to know whether he is truthful. The words from his lips expose what spirit he serves.

 

Over and over and over again, he screams, "Do not trust me!" and yet the people abide. They stop their ears and refuse to accept the man as he is.

 

The brethren do not believe him when they should yet believe him when they should not. Wrong judgment proceedeth, all right. Big-time.

 

Members of The Restored Church of God: Your Pastor General could not make it through the weekend believing his own teachings. If you stood alongside your apostle on Thursday, he has taken a step away from YOU and has already changed his tune.

 

He is counting on you to continue to ignore his waffling. He teaches something and walks it back within days. He even says something and contradicts it in the following sentence.

 

Hear what David C. Pack says.

 

Tuesday will come and go. The 1335 clock will be reset. The plea for patience and tithe checks will continue into the vanishing point.

 

@ 43:01 I’ve had an opportunity just to let God show me these final things that I need to see.

 

The Pathetic Update Saturday proves God did not “show Dave these final things.” Was it a mistake? A misunderstanding? An assumption? Or was it a lie?

 

Regardless of how you want to classify that statement, every answer leads you to the undeniable fact it was not of God.

 

Not. Of. God.

 

Brethren, hear the words of David C. Pack. Do not waffle like he does.

Marc Cebrian

See: Waffling Already

Dave Pack: "Evil Men Will Post This Online"

 

Evil Men

 

The Headquarters of The Restored Church of God announced Monday, “If we are here on Wednesday, Mr. Pack plans…”

 

That did not happen, you believing dopes.

 

Since we were still here on Thursday, David C. Pack delivered “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 417)” to a paid audience. In case late-comers did not know, the RCG staff are required to listen to Dave while on the clock during the week. Trust me, that is little compensation.

 

If we are here on Saturday, here is a summary of Part 417 from February 2, 2023:

 

The 1335 of Daniel began imperceptibly last Thursday.

The Kingdom of God arrives Tuesday, February 7.

The Great Tribulation starts on March 12.

The Day of the Lord is still March 22.

A mistranslation opened a can of worms.

Three Shepherds of Zechariah 11 are identified. Kinda.

The Series is over.

Evil men will post this online.

 

 

The most inflammatory comments were at the end of the Bible study.

@ 1:55:18 So, I'm expecting next Tuesday, and I know there are enemies among us who are dead men walking. Maybe you only need one. And they’ll post it to evil men. Don’t worry about it. It may shake some people. Don’t worry about it…it’s gonna go online. There are people, the wicked don’t understand and they’ll commit suicide in two seconds.

 

This intrigues and confuses me.

 

How is accurately posting a message of the gospel of the coming Kingdom of God that Jesus Christ commissioned to be spread to the entire world before He ascended to heaven be perceived as being done by enemies?

 

What actions or character qualities gain anyone the designation of being evil?

 

The information seeping past the front gate of RCG is accurate. Not rumors. Not distortions. So, how are David C. Pack’s own words an attack on David C. Pack? How can what the Pester General said to his church be an attack on his church?

 

Further confusion comes because Dave recently stated he WANTED this information to go public.

 

Part 414 – January 14, 2023

@ 1:25:10 Why would God show us Abib 1 in a definitive way? Absolutely inarguable. I don’t care what any enemy knows. I hope the whole world hears it.

 

And yet, when it does, he bitches and complains about it.

 

Perhaps the statement in Part 414 was uttered in the heat of the moment. He was either insincere or just lying. I do not know the man's heart, but based on his patterns, trusting him is a fool's errand.

 

David C. Pack is not a man of his word. And he is also prone to uncomfortable misspeaks.

 

Part 417 – February 2, 2023

@ 1:55:39 And just know that you’re we’re all the ones committing suicide. So, don’t worry about that. Once this is out, it’s gonna be interesting. Maybe it’ll be quiet. Or maybe we’ll find out there’s some reason the devil’s at my right hand when it all starts. I don’t know.

 

Leaving The Restored Church of God is viewed as suicide. The stubborn people who leave with their bad attitudes are perceived as having a death wish and lacking patience.

 

After listening to this statement about ten times, I finally think I get what Dave was trying to say. He meant to say, “The people who leave commit suicide while thinking WE in RCG are the ones committing suicide.”

 

His piss-poor verbal skills make nothing he says “plain” anymore. The Spirit of Error has infected his tongue along with his brain.

 

 

The 1335 days of Daniel 12:12 began last Thursday for the members of The Restored Church of God. The invisible, silent, intangible event signals they are blessed and “made it” if they have the right attitude.

 

@ 19:37 What you’re gonna hear absolutely confirms in every way that the 1335, now over a week behind us, is in play.

 

David C. Pack is not a goodman.

 

@ 1:20:34 “Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.” If you made it here over a week ago, that’s your status.

 

An enemy and evil man would want the members of RCG to believe this. Especially after everyone has already seen this cheap hat trick before.

 

Part 394 – September 24, 2022

@ 39:15 So, you’re blessed when you get to a day. At 11:33 tomorrow, you’ve made it. That doesn’t mean you receive eternal life. But you're not gonna wait 15 days to find out, "Oh, I guess we were blessed back there a couple weeks ago." That was always ridiculous.

 

Part 398 – October 10, 2022

@ 24:24 So, once you know the 1335, you could never know in any future year once you hit it if it were true. If it doesn't happen this year. It has to apply this year, or it's not a metric.

 

@ 25:31 If you’re at the Feast of Tabernacles, you made it!

 

Part 402 – October 25, 2022

@ 1:27:01 God’s will has been done. You made it to the 1335. The pledge is made on the (dare I say?) the correct 1335.

 

Part 403 – November 11, 2022

@ 1:17:18 We have not hit the 1335. It does not apply to us.

 

Part 406 – November 26, 2022

@ 43:15 Not when those sorta be blessed because, you know, they passed some mile marker they didn’t know they passed or hoped they passed. Or maybe their, “I’m blessed. Do you feel blessed?”

 

He is so bad at this even Simon Magus would be ashamed of his protégé.

 

I would not believe David C. Pack if he told me he was out of milk.

 

Part 417 – February 2, 2023

@ 1:04:01 So, I’m gonna make this plain. And is so doing, show you you absolutely were settled a bit over a week ago.

 

The wishy-washy 1335 never seems to get pinned down correctly, even when we are living inside it. When I left The Restored Church of God in March 2021, we were "in the midst" of the 1335. I told Bradford Schleifer and Dr. Timothy Ranney to their faces that I did not believe that because God does not operate with imperceptible fulfillment. I told them that, eventually, Dave would teach it had not started yet. Guess what?

 

Time proved me to be a true unordained non-prophet/non-psychic even way back then.

 

The people of The Restored Church of God are not "settled" no matter how often Dave repeats it. In the coming days, he will be forced to recant that teaching like he has done before. Do not be shocked when it happens. If you are shocked, then I fear for you.

 

 

Dave must be concerned about the brethren tithe-payers leaving in a continuous trickle. He makes a false statement, then immediately walks it back and walks it back and walks it back.

 

Watch.

 

Part 417 – February 2, 2023

@ 1:48:22 Now, I should just comment and I'm not aware of people leaving since the 1335. It wouldn't surprise me, though.

 

This means Edward Winkfield forgot to tell Dave a key Headquarters staff person left last Friday on day 1334 of his imaginary 1335 that will be rescinded later. Or maybe Dave just forgot that insignificant detail.

 

@ 1:48:29 I’ve heard of some that had terrible attitudes and dropped out, sorta right as it came. One or two, maybe.

 

At first, he was unaware, and in the next breath, it was one or maybe two. When Dave says "two maybe," there must be more.

 

I know of two people who left in the last two weeks. A field member. A Headquarters employee. I knew them both personally when I was attending. Ask Edward Winkfield and Brian Jackson for confirmation.

 

I am sure the "terrible attitudes" had to do with Dave being a false prophet, addressed in Deuteronomy 18 and when retired RCG literature is quoted. The words of David C. Pack eviscerate David C. Pack.

 

The man is his own worst enemy. His mouth produces his biggest headaches, not other people.

 

The “terrible attitudes” include bringing up uncomfortable topics like failed dates and empty promises. Teasing the brethren that they made it, but oops, not really. Taking the Lord's name in vain. Doctrinal understanding sways like the breeze day to day. The man contradicts himself week to week. He says he would “never” and then does it. He admits God blinded him, he spoke presumptuously, and he taught the Kingdom of God would arrive every single month since June of 2022.

 

Bringing any of that up screams “terrible attitude” to the weak and cowardly “ministers” of The Restored Church of God. The days of oil and honey are over for those guys.

 

 

Dave rarely passes up a good opportunity for fear-mongering.

 

@ 1:48:37 But, here’s what it says to the 1335. So, just a caution in case we have people who leave. Who commit suicide in the next few days. Those going first must adhere. They must hold to the 1335.

 

@ 1:50:52 And you could still have people who drop out who entered the 1335, and they were not adhering to all the standards I'd been teaching in preparing a people for the Lord. So, the fact that somebody was here last Thursday at 10:07 in the morning and they're still here, or they dropped out after it (one or two), duddn't mean anything.

 

Members of The Restored Church of God: Do not listen to my words. Listen to the words of David C. Pack. He tells you precisely what kind of man he is. What he is. Who he is. If you get in trouble for quoting the Pastor General, take that as a clear warning as to the direction of RCG and the mindset running the show.

 

While referring to his new understanding of the 1335, Dave admits he has taught the Kingdom would come for six months. He cannot keep a straight face because he knows how absurd it is when he says it out loud.

Why six months of prophetic fraud and biblical negligence is fodder for a humorous moment exposes a sick and ignorant mind.

 

It is certainly no laughing matter for members eager to see their deceased loved ones, Dave.

 

@ 1:23:18 I wanted to believe at the end, "Well, the 1335 touch the day. It would be salvation." But I'd heard myself in all the other verses. It's just that, you know, if you think it's Elul, then you think it's Tishrei, then you think it's Cheshvan, then you think it's Kislev, it's surely Tevet. And then you get to, you know, along about the middle of Shevat, you wonder if that's the way it works. Well, yes, it is. Now I would never doubt again.

 

Oh, yes, he will. He will doubt and teach against the very thing he stands on today. He will be forced to because time always proves him to be wrong.

 

Watch his tune change before Tuesday morning. There will be something we missed.

 

 

David C. Pack is blind with his eyes wide open. His big pie hole will not shut, either.

 

Supreme Blindness Alert:

Probably…the Synagogue of Satan prepping the world to follow the wrong god who has a 10-day shelf life.

 

The shelf life of David C. Pack is known only to God. How long this can continue or what the end of these things shall be is unknown.

 

The people trapped inside The Restored Church of God are living in fear. Fear is the most common element present today. I hear it directly from those who reach out. I hear it from friends of friends.

 

How long can a church organization survive when that is the glue keeping people stuck to their seats?

 

People of The Restored Church of God: You are not alone. Leaving that corporate entity is not a death sentence. The Bible does not say this.

 

While you remain, do you feel a great sense of peace, or are you troubled?

 

Are you certain what you hear today will be taught tomorrow?

 

Do you dread the voice of David C. Pack or marvel at God's mind filtered through a trustworthy man's mouth?

 

What primarily motivates your continued attendance, love or fear?

 

That should speak volumes.

 

That should also tell you where the evil men really are.

Mark Cebrian

See: Evil Men

 

Pretend COG False Prophet Has Another Melt Down Over Other COG False Prophets

 

Our most highly favored self-appointed prophet to the Churches of God, in this latter-day dispensation, got his holistic knickers in a major twist last night after he read an article on this blog about Wade Cox and his 2028 millennium prediction. Nothing infuriates a COG false prophet more than another COG false prophet making a prediction that they did not think of. When that person does the daggers come out swinging, labeling the other person a false prophet, and that "true" COG members should be wary of them. The dual-minded false prophet, Bob,  tries to bring Jesus into the mix to justify his words of wisdom, which is about the only time the Dude ever gets mentioned.

The great Bwana writes:

...There is no possibility that the millennium can begin before 2030. Wade Cox will be proven wrong on this. Certain events that Jesus pointed to have not yet occurred which render Wade Cox’s dates impossible. 

Just like all of Thiel's predictions are impossible. 

Some have been critical of me pointing out false predictions from people who claim to be Church of God, but who are probably not truly COG, but instead are false. 

Bob is not truly the Church of God and is indeed false! He self-appointed himself after Rod Meredith humiliated him and that did not sit well with Bob. After a couple decades of being ignored and made fun of by LCG leaders, Bob had to set on on his own. God, Christ, dreams, etc, had nothing to do with Bob's self-appointment. Only his vanity and supercharged narcissistic ego did that.  

My normal response to such is to mention how Jesus dealt with religious leaders (Matthew 7:15-23) and/or Laodiceans (Revelation 3:14-19). If the claims seem improperly prophetic or exceptionally bold, I tend to cite 2 Peter 2:1-3. 

 

Should we be concerned about false and heretical leaders? Should they always be ignored? Should we focus on the positive about them? What did Jesus do? What does the Bible teach? 

Absolutely! That's why this blog, The Painful Truth, and others regularly bring to light the lies of Bob. There is nothing positive about the guy when his ultimate works are evil to the core.  Providing laptops. seeds, animals, etc. to impoverished Africans is negated by the heretical lies he preaches.

Many people do not seem to understand what Jesus was really like and what He really taught.
While it is true He taught, “love your enemies” and to “pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you” (Matthew 5:44), it is a misunderstanding to believe that Jesus taught that one could never point out the problems of religious enemies (and yes, we should still pray for them).

The Great Bwana then went on to quote Jesus when he is describing deceptive men like Bob Thiel in the Church of God:

Jesus often taught to beware of religious leaders. Notice:

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness! (Matthew 7:15-23, NKJV throughout unless otherwise indicated).

Elijah Ben Thiel continues:

False leaders do not produce good fruit. Many of them tend to encourage lawlessness (though they would almost all deny that). Those that follow them risk being cast out by Jesus. 

 

Notice that Jesus is saying to look at their fruits and that even if they appear to be doing miracles in Jesus’ name, if they promote lawlessness, they are not true Christians.

This may look all appropriate as what Jesus said, but what Bob is actually doing here is setting you up for him stating later on that HE and only HE is doing a fruitful work in this age.

The Great Bwana then has to drag in Norm Edwards once again as an instrument to justify his prophetic mantle and his asinine dreams. Norm Edwards is no more a source of godly wisdom and truth than Dave Pack is, but as long as Norm's words can be twisted by Bob to justify his dreams then, Hell yes! Let's use him!

Consider the following from former GCG board member Norman Edwards:

Eph 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 

 

1Th 5:19-21 Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good. 

 

1Tim 1:18 This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, 

 

1Tim 4:14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. 

 

2Tim 3:1-2, 5 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be… lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 

 

Do people today have faith that God is able to prophecy through people in their congregations? 

 

1Jo 4:1-2 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 

 

Note: If there were no true prophets, there would be no need to “test the spirits”—because every prophet would be a “false prophet”. But because there are both true prophets and false prophets, we need to “test the spirits”. (Edwards N. Need Prophets More than Prophecy. Shepherd’s Voice, Fall 2013) 

 

So, do not be quick to consider the good to be bad. If you truly have God’s Spirit and really strive to be a Philadelphian Christian, you will actually believe that God’s word says there will be prophets and dreams from Him in the last days per Acts 2:17-18

The Great Bwana ends with this:

Do not follow false teachers. Do not presume, however, someone is false because an accuser of the brethren lumps him/her in with the false. 

 

Remember, the Apostle Paul wrote:

19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil. (1 Thessalonians 5:19-22) 

 

So, in addition to avoiding the bad, do not overlook the good.  

 

Have your really tested all things? 

 

Or have you relied on traditions and feeling?

Bob is a false teacher. He quenches the spirit by forcing his followers to observe old covenant laws they don't need instead of following the ONE they should be following. Just look at how Bob's leaders in Africa slobber all over him when they mention him. Jesus is no more a part of their conversations than the New Covenant is.

Bob has been tested and found wanting!  The Living Church of God members understood this as did Rod Meredith and 99.97% of the COG membership!

If you have bad feelings about Bob then there is justification for that. Stay away! Far away!

The COG Tradition of Appropriating Prophecies Intended for Israel

 

Is It Appropriate to Appropriate Prophecies Intended for Israel?

Alright, so you've demonstrated that Armstrong's brand of Anglo-Israelism is NOT consistent with Scripture, but what about America as a type of Israel? After all, didn't the founders of the United States see themselves as God's "chosen" people? And didn't they regard themselves as planting a "Christian" nation in the wilderness of a new "Promised Land"? Isn't it reasonable to assume that God would hold the United States and its leaders to the same standard that he instituted for ancient Israel and its leaders? Haven't the English-speaking nations of the world embraced Israel's Bible and been its greatest proponents around the globe? So, isn't the entire question of whether or not the English-speaking peoples of the earth are the physical descendants of Abraham irrelevant?

Herbert Armstrong and his followers have traditionally regarded Anglo-Israelism as the key to understanding Bible prophecy. Indeed, they think that this "understanding" gives them a "prophetic advantage" over all other Christians! Moreover, these folks have used this teaching to justify their focus on the English-speaking folks of the earth! Hence, we should not be surprised that Armstrongites would be extremely reluctant to give up something which has proven to be one of their trademarks - one of the things that has set them apart from the crowd!

However, it is as they say: extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. In order for someone or something to by a type of someone or something, there must be some clear and convincing parallels/similarities between the two. Hence, it is entirely appropriate to point out that the United States is very different from ancient Israel. To begin with, there are the obvious differences between a Bronze-Iron Age, agrarian-based economy and a modern, industrialized, technologically advanced nation. The big differences relative to size of the population, territory, and military power of the two nations is also rather glaring. Likewise, Israel was an absolute monarchy with a state religion, and the United States is a democratic republic which has eschewed the establishment of a state religion. Israel was a party to a formal covenant/agreement with God and was subject to the terms outlined in the Torah, and the United States is governed by a constitution which is more in the nature of a contract/covenant between the people and their government. Israel was subject to the imperialism of its much stronger neighbors throughout its history as a nation, while the United States has actively participated in the Imperialism which engulfed the Western World in the 19th and 20th Centuries! Israel was guilty of idolatry and breaking the terms of their covenant with God, and the United States has been accused of killing its unborn, tolerating homosexuality, and racism by its critics. In other words, there are some very profound differences between the ancient nation of Israel and the modern nation of the United States!

What about the similarities in the religious and political leadership of ancient Israel compared to that of the United States? Aren't the abuses of power, lying, hypocrisy, wickedness, and bad examples exhibited by the leaders of ancient Israel also present in the religious and political leadership of the United States? Yes, but couldn't we characterize the leadership of every other country on the face of the earth in exactly the same way? Moreover, very unlike ancient Israel, the people of the United States can periodically vote to remove their leaders and replace them.

In terms of the Hebrew Bible, we should also point out that the entire Western World has adopted that book! Hence, the suggestion that the United States and other English-speaking nations are unique in this regard is shown to be absurd. Indeed, Christianity has the MOST adherents of any other religion on the face of the earth! Also, in this connection, we must not forget that Judaism is an active religion, and that a nation of Jews named "Israel" currently exists within the boundaries of the ancient nation of the same name!

I would also point out that one of the primary rules of biblical interpretation is CONTEXT. How do we justify taking something that was clearly addressed to a particular people in a specific time and place and applying it to someone else in another time and place? Moreover, if we are serious about trying to find a place for the United States in the context of biblical prophecy, isn't the Babylonian/Beast system of the book of Revelation infinitely more appropriate? Take a look at Babylon as a prophetic template and let me know what you think!

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix