The Kitchen Clan Is Highly Offended At Mel Gibson's New Movie "Hacksaw Ridge"

No matter how grace filled someone can be, how beautiful the world is, how miraculous life is or how inspiring a movie can be, Armstrongites will find something wrong.  They have spend 80 years being the Debbie Downer of the world.

Mel Gibson's new movie, Hacksaw Ridge has been hailed by some as the best movie of the year, but leave it to an Armstrongite to make it all about the church, unconverted thinking and persecution.

Here is the twisted logic of the perpetually irritated Kitchen clan.  It is a twisted tale of Jesuit conspiracy, Sabbath keeper persecution, people thinking it is ok to go to war without a gun, compromise and caving in to human reasoning.

This last week a new movie came out named "Hacksaw Ridge". Directed by Mel Gibson, a member of the Jesuit society.  

Some may say it's a film about the valor, and bravery of a Sabbath day keeper, who refused to touch a gun, on the grounds that God's Word says not to kill. And while it is a stirring story of how a young man saved 75 men in World War 2, without firing a bullet, what cannot be overlooked is the audience this movie is targeting.  

Sabbath keepers and conscientious objectors. 

And the message that appears to be behind this movie, is that it is okay to join the military, or other war branches, even if you object for religious reasons, for the purpose that you might be able to save some sad soul, suffering the effects of war out on the battlefield. That even a Sabbath keeper has a place in the army, in war. 

One might realize, that such a message, portrayed by Hacksaw Ridge, is an attack on the wills of the people of the Church of God and every Sabbath day keeper, edging those who are suckered in by its message closer to compromising God's Word.  

All under the cloak of holding true to religious convictions, it teaches compromise, and caving in to human reasoning. 

But what does the Word of God say about Military Service, and war? Herbert W. Armstrong wrote an extensive book on this very subject.  

Refresh yourself on the values and teachings of God's Word, and beware of the temptations of Satan the Devil to compromise those beliefs. Because Satan is targeting true Christians everywhere.

The Kitchens and their Love Letter from HWA to Trump

The Kitchen clan has been working over time on Facebook trying to promote as much Herbert Armstrong material as possible before the end times happens in their little part of the world.

Now that Donald Trump has swept into office after a surprising upset, the Kitchen clan been searching high and low for words of wisdom they could sent to Trump.  Lo and behold they found something.  Or at least they pretend they do.   They've taken a letter from HWA to Ronald Reagan and posted it directed towards Trump.

As usual, Herb started the letter off about himself.  The Big Daddy of Narcissism has trained his little boys at LCG, RCG, PCG, UCG, COGWA, UCG, and CCOG very well.

Let this letter be emphasized, today, for our next president: Mr. Donald J. Trump. The following letter was written by Herbert W. Armstrong to Ronald Reagan in 1981. 
May this letter be for encouragement for our next president: Mr.Donald J. Trump, when he is sworn into office this coming January .

MR. PRESIDENT: You've assumed the most important office in the world on a landslide vote - a virtual mandate. 

I know something of the stupendous problems with which you now must grapple. I have discussed world and national difficulties with heads of state on all continents. I know something of how difficult, knotty and often impossible of human solution are the conditions you now face - greater than those confronting any other head of state.

If ever a President needed the help of this great people he leads, it is now. Some are asking, can you turn the United States around? They look to problems of inflation, unemployment, energy, taxes, budget, business, defense. But those are materialistic problems. In the materialistic area we have fared better than we realize.  

You can read the HWA slobberfest here: A Voice Cries Out

Rod Meredith Takes No Responsibility In Ripping Lives Apart When He Bankrupted Global Church of God

Rod Meredith, in his September/December editorial, is back tooting his horn on what great example and champion he is to the church.  That champion has a long history of wrecking havoc in members lives, saying false things from pulpit and has a unique knack for getting sued.   Meredith's biggest faux-pas was when he had diarrhea mouth at the ministerial conference in Tucson.

His old buddy Raymond "Buffy" McNair was having problems with his wife.  Leona McNair had slowly caught on to how corrupt the church was and how her husband and Meredith were part of the problem that she stopped attending church, which set Buffy into 2-4 hour raging fits of fury.  After this leaked out,  Rod Meredith had to jump into the picture.

Meredith had previously said that too many in the ministry were divorcing for too many easy reasons.  Then along came Buffy needing a divorce and Meredith had to change his tune.  So Meredith stood up on the stage in Tucson, at a ministerial conference and proceeded to slander Leona from the pulpit in front of 700+ ministers that were gathered.  It was all Leona's fault and she defaulted on the marriage, thus setting Buffy free.  Leona found out and sued.  The court case drug on for almost 2 decades.  It was still being fought even after Herb died.  It was still being fought when the WCG started making changes.  It was still being fought when Meredith sat on his ass during the changes and kept quiet.  Eventually Leona prevailed with the WCG settling out of court.  She got $750,000 due to the divisive words of Meredith.

Never being man of real principle, he sat there though many of the changes keeping his mouth shut while the church dropped hundreds of thousands of dollars defending his vile mouth.  He sat there several more years twiddling his thumbs and taking a paycheck till the "God Is" booklet came out.  Meredith pitched a fit and immediately started the Global Church of God.  Or so he says.  Being the devious man he is, he stayed in WCG in order to draw a paycheck while he had some flunkies plotting and scheming to start a new church that the could step into while keeping a steady money stream coming in to.  After letting a child molester and several others scheme to start Global Church of God, he waited until money was in the bank, then he miraculously jumped ship into a new organization.

There he tried to take over the reigns of the church and several on the board refused to let him, Buffy McNair being one of them. Meredith pitched another fit while his child molester compatriot was working behind scenes to take all of Global's money and start a NEW church.  Meredith and his buddies basically bankrupted Global and left them with all of the debt after taking their money.

Hundreds of lives were shattered by Meredith's actions.  Marriages and families were ripped apart.  Meredith did not care because he had power once more and money!  He has yet to take any responsibility for any of his actions and instead bragged about what a wonderful god fearing person he is.  Never once does he apologize for his past in fracturing lives nor for any of the disillusionment he has caused.

He claims GOD raised up the Global Church of God, yet he had no problem in smearing his friend's name, stealing all of their money and ripping lives apart as he deliberately destroyed what his god had raised up!

Because of all of our modern distractions, and because of the breakup of our former association, many thousands of brethren around the world have been deeply hurt or confused. Many are also disillusioned—left with the feeling that Christ “deserted” them, and now they do not know where to go.

As I have previously explained, Christ did raise up the Global Church of God in early 1993, through me—just a very few months after the blasphemous, “God Is...” booklet came out, along with other heretical changes in doctrine. But many were not aware of Christ raising up this Church—or had been poisoned against us by vicious rumors and accusations. So, instead of zealously searching out and proving to themselves where Christ was continuing His Work, many just stayed put or even dropped away from the Truth altogether.

But—mark this!—the living Christ did give people in early 1993 a “way out”—He did raise up a Church with a trained, dedicated ministry of long standing who preached the full Truth and who quickly—within weeks—went on the radio, published literature and began to revive the Work. So Jesus Christ did not “desert” you or anyone else. He is still the living Head of the Church. He is alert, active and powerfully in charge of His Church and His Work! And in His great wisdom, He is now “testing” His people to see what is really in their hearts. 

His entire post is here: Living Faith

See more about Meredith's wicked actions with Leona McNair and his part in destroying Global Church of God here:   Roderick C. Meredith's $750,000 Libel against Leona McNair

Read the lawsuit here:  Worldwide Church of God vs McNair

Dennis Confronts Dave Pack: "If I Ever Go Off Into Strange or Weird Ideas..."

NOTE:  Due to the ongoing melt down of Dave Pack it has been suggested that this post be reposted.

If I Ever Go Off Into Strange or Weird Ideas...

 "I want to make a statement about...me...now, if I became deceived, I will never tell you what I'm going to tell you now...I am telling you  if I go off into strange ideas,  misconduct, rebellion, you name it, don't follow me. I want to tell you that now, because if I start doing that I'm gonna try to get you to follow me! I'm gonna come to you and tell you it doesn't apply, it doesn't mean me, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's OK to follow me because ABCD and XY and Z. Do you understand what I'm saying? Listen to me now, when I tell you don't follow me if I go off into weird ideas, or if I get off into other things that are total absolutely unscriptural conduct, because if I do I'm gonna paint it with a different face and try to get you to follow me. Do you understand what I'm saying brethren? Please remember that, because I promise you that if I become deceived, I'll forget it, and I'll want you to forget it...And  I hope you'll remember it well enough to quote it right back to me...But I'll tell you what, I'm not going anywhere."

David C Pack

December 12, 1998

Actually Dave, I totally understand what you are saying and just did quote it back to you as instructed.  That time you foresaw has arrived and indeed, you are uttering both strange and weird things about yourself.  If I read all the letters sent to you by former employees and members correctly, you also have tendencies to act in unscriptural ways but I am pretty sure you don't see that side of this coin.  What chance is there you will see the trail of tears you have left for decades when you are struggling to figure out just what "filthy rags" you, as the fulfillment of Haggai's Joshua the High Priest might have to remove.  The idea that all you can come up with is that you sinned not leaving the splinters soon enough or not starting your own church soon enough is...well...a strange and weird idea to say the least

So the time has come to tell you that your current ideas about just where you fit in the Biblical scheme of things has come.  It is time to tell you, as instructed, that your ideas about you being foretold in the minor prophet Haggai or Zephaniah is truly a strange and weird idea.  I have to admit, you do follow the A, B, C and X,Y and Z format in explaining this ridiculous concept as you predicted so at least thanks for sticking to the format so we could recognize it and call you out on it as instructed.

First of all, you have been in "rebellion" for as long as I have known you.  Now I understand one man's rebellion is another man's faithfulness, but let's face it...you have never done well working for anyone that told you what to do.  Men such as yourself simply can't take instructions, correction or advice.  I have chatted with a few of your close staff who confirm that you taking advice is not a strong point.  It tends to enrage you.  I recall your sojourn in New York City where you were sent to work under Mr.___________ as your one last chance to get your team player skills together.  I asked Mr. _________ how you were doing working for and with others but not in charge and not having the final say.  He said you were doing fine for now and what you needed to do to get through it, but when you were ever back on your own you'd fall back into all that you have since fallen back into.  Now that man was a Prophet for sure.  He said, "People don't change much."  And this is true. Some get worse.

The idea that you are foretold in the scriptures some 2500 years after the fact is simply weird and strange.  It is also a lie. You are truly the master of making a scripture mean what it never meant.  From declaring that "houses" in Haggai is really splinters to your nutcase idea that all the tithes of the splinters need to flow unto you because it belongs to you is simply insane.  Ok, I mean strange and weird to stick to your terminology and what we had to look out for in you.   You even have the amount calculated I imagine because you know as well as I do that it has never been about the numbers with you , but it really is.  Remember redrawing church boundries so you could have a larger congregation without actually having new folk come along?  I do.  The minister next door only found out when the member showed him the letter telling him he has been switched to your congregation .  Kinda strange and weird even back then.

 

But back to the current strange and weird ideas.  It was kinda neat to see how you explained that HWA knew he was at first a type of Zerubbabel (which means 'born of confusion" btw) and in the next paragraph he knew he was Zerubbabel and not just any type, and finally ended up not knowing who Joshua the High Priest would be.  Funny, I recall it being plainly GTA according the HWA when he was hoping Ted would get rid of his filthy rags and return to his duties in the church.  Gerald Waterhouse was real big on GTA and the filthy rag theory.  So in a very short time, you evolved HWA's thinking back then to match and pave the way for you now.  Strange and weird huh?   The more bad news is that HWA also was never spoken of in any scripture but I know you'd not believe such a thing.  I mean what's the chance that out of billions, it is YOU?  I hesitate to say that since Haggai was never written for much into the future as you think.  Prophets, real or imagined, sane or insane do not write about events outside their perceived lifetimes.  What good would that be?  I could go back to the Book of Lamentations and see my entire experience with WCG foretold and how I would evolve and endeavor to help the brain dead in the COGs wake up a bit but I don't have the energy.  Jeremiah lived a rather melancholy life so it would be stretching his intent I think. 

Loved your phrase,  ""I want to make a statement about...me..."  Making statements about you has never been difficult .  Once you see yourself in the Bible how can it be any different?.  Of the 24 times the Apostle Paul is referred to as an Apostle, he calls himself one 22 of those and Luke, his side kick, the other 2.  Other than that , no one thought so or at least mentioned it.  Kinda like yourself.  Kinda like Gerald Flurry with whom you have much in common.  The taking of title in the WCG slivers is just short of astounding.  Where do you guys come from?

"I wanna talk about me!"

"No other epistle author in the Bible wrote like Paul. This would be true on a number of levels, but one aspect is of particular interest when we are considering how Paul views himself. He had a way of drawing attention to himself with his usage of personal pronouns. When it comes to how often he uses words like, "I", "me", "my", or "mine", the overall rate in his epistles is almost three times that of his next closest rival."

And so it is with yourself.  Please don't take any comparison with the Apostle Paul as a compliment from me.  Or you don't know me very well on this issue.  

Now I am betting you are saying  "...it doesn't apply, it doesn't mean me, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's OK to follow me because ABCD and XY and Z."   But, we're on to you and this is the very circumstance you said could come up and you told us all just how to react. I am doing you the very favor you begged the brethren to watch out for. 

I am just reminding your, so far, brain dead followers that you said it and that you would do everything in your power to convince them you aren't getting into strange and weird ideas.  Well, you are and you have and it's time to pony up as they say.  

You continued to say concerning youself..." Please remember that, because I promise you that if I become deceived, I'll forget it, and I'll want you to forget it..."  

Well...forget it you have and I imagine you really wish we'd all forget it too just as you said.  I have to say, this prophecy of how you would be and act when you got all strange and weird was really right on.  Since you are incapacitated in memory and bound and determined to see yourself as Joshua the High Priest or whatever as spoken of by the Prophet Haggai, it is our job to keep the balance as yours has completely left you.  You can't get upset as you told the brethren to be on the look out for just this kind of deviance from the norm.  And so we do.  

It is not necessary to go through Haggai with you or anyone else to prove that the Bible does not speak of you, you are not any Joshua the really spoken of High Priest and all your detailed analysis of the book is not really what the book was all about.  They don't call it anal--ysis for nothing Dave.  You weave a great yarn, but a yarn it is and it won't take long for it to unwind as did the machinations of the not really the Two Witnesses Ron Weinland or the not really "That Prophet" Gerald Flurry.  Geez...how many times do the WCG leftovers have to learn this lesson?

I drove through Wadsworth this past week and sincerely thought to stop in and have a chat but I was told you'd call the police and I don't have time for that.  I guess you don't want to debate after asking you three times huh?  

At any rate, I thought it was time to quote you back to you as you asked for such a time as this.  Your foresight and insight into how you would behave in such a case of going weird and strange was very well spoken.  I'm proud of you for speaking so plainly before the time of the actual weird and strange beliefs and I am thankful the Internet preserved your prophetic words for so long.  

When you recover your senses, you will thank me.  We can hug and make up because that which was lost will have been found  and your sanity will, like Nebuchadnezzar ,have returned.  I hope it does not take seven years but it is what it is and will be what it will be.  I'm here for ya when your mind comes back. 

In closing, a word about your very last statement.  "But I'm not going anywhere."  I'm a pretty intuitive guy.  I know what people mean between the lines when they write or speak.  "But I'm not going anywhere" is meant to calm the troops after such dramatic statements.  It is actually a subconscious ploy , whether you know it or not, to get to say all this dramatic "don't follow me if I get weird and strange, but of course I will never get weird or strange," so now you can now actually start getting weird and strange and they won't think it is weird or strange..  After all, you just told them how you would behave and then assured them you'd never actually do that and then you get to do it and they don't get it.  Brilliant!  It's like the tassels and ribbons that warriors used to put on the ends of the spears.  In battle they would wave them around and it was just natural for the human eye to follow the pretty ribbon and tassel as it was waved in their face. Well it was pretty until the actual spear point was shoved into one's chest.  Distractions and disclaimers are the tassels and ribbons on the end of a very dangerous spear.  

Anyway...I just thought I'd quote you back to you for such a time as this in your thinking.  I really don't want to see anyone else get hurt with religion done badly and mental problems being mistaken for spirituality and truth.  Was that harsh?

Warm regards


contact Dennis at: denniscdiehl@AOL.com

Herbert Armstrong and his doomsday date setting

Herbert Armstrong gets dragged into this election, and its not by whom you would expect. The writer is correct though in pointing how Herbert's doomsday dates always failed and he to wake up on a new morning, revising it to another date.  That is the same tactic that all of the false prophets of Armstrong's do to this day.  James Malm has to move his dates constantly. Bob Thiel has never been accurate about anything.  Meredith has been an abject failure, as has Weinland, Flurry and Pack.

This view point is from the Trump side of the equation.

Right to left, or left to right? 

JEREMY FOX 15 November 2016

From time to time throughout history, prophecies of doom have warned us of the approaching apocalypse. Most religions have an end-of-days component in which the world as we know it will be swept away, either to be reborn with suitable moral improvements or, as in the Theravada branch of Buddhism, to be finally destroyed in a conflagration.  

Some bold prophets have even ventured to predict the date of our extinction. Pope Sylvester II assured the faithful that they and everyone else would expire on 1 January of the year 1000; while one of his successors, the aptly-named Innocent III settled on 1284. Martin Luther, Christopher Columbus, Nostradamus (Michel de Nostredame), and Isaac Newton, are among the better-known apocalyptic sooth-sayers, Jim Jones and Charles Manson among the most sinister, while New England Puritan minister Cotton Mather and Herbert Armstrong (founder of the Worldwide Church of God) figure among the most indefatigable — happy to revise their predictions when their chosen extinction date passes without incident and they find themselves still alive on the following morning.