Thursday, March 22, 2018

COGWA Not Happy That Members Don't Let Their Lives Revolve First Around The Church


I rarely post much from COGWA (Church of God a Worldwide Association) here because perusing their website is one of the most mind-numbingly boring things one could imagine. Given that COGWA is nothing more than a dissident carbon copy of United Church of God, they have never set out to reimagine their church or the things they preach into a new and relevant model for the world today.

So thanks to a reader here we have this little tidbit, on how things have NOT changed in the church, to examine.

Starts around 35:29:

A second category we'll quickly go to it show honor to the Brethren show honor to the Brethren. We saw in previous scriptures how especially there in first Thessalonians how the brethren were just doing a fine job of honoring each other of caring for each other. Are there ways we can improve there? Let's look at Romans chapter 12 in verse 10. Romans chapter 10 12 in verse 10 we'll read verses 10 and 11  
Now the New King James starts out by saying “be kindly affectionate to one another” “be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love” I like to read that to you in the new American Standard translation. It says this, “be devoted to one another in brotherly love kindly affectionate” I don't know I often wondered what is why the emphasis? We could say be kind to one another be affectionate to one another but apparently Paul said there's a “kindly affectionate”. I'm not sure there can be an unkindly affectionate. But he's emphasizing that be really affectionate... be and that's why I think the new American Standard says “be devoted to”.  
So one of the trends that we've always been concerned about in the church is our lives getting so busy with other stuff that no longer does our life revolve around the church. Now the gray heads among us remember the days when everything in your life revolved around the church. Did it not? Every week revolved around the Sabbath and the Sabbath was the most important thing and everything went leading up to the Sabbath. And you got to the Sabbath and you went to Sabbath services and then you ate together with the Brethren. Then you went to spokesman club for a couple hours then the next day you got up and drove halfway to Timbuktu to do some YOU activity because all your kids were involved first with basketball and then with track and then with... you go on and on. Volleyball and okay what just it wasn't one basketball team it was an A team and a B team and a C team. And was there ever a weekend we didn't travel? Caring for those things? 
My wife got out to our first assignment and oh you're the cheerleading coach, oh really? So we spent how many fundraisers raising money to do what? To buy cheerleading outfits for our girls. Because they couldn't do cheerleading in school. Now why we thought cheerleading was that cat's meow I'm not sure but we did at the time. And that's not to say it's a bad thing but anyway. Won't get off on that. 
But everything revolved around the church. And so we had what? We had food co-ops. You have any here? Food co-ops were where you could get stone ground whole wheat. Not just not as regular whole wheat. Now why stone ground is better than metal ground I don't quite recall. But everything... we had Church cookbooks right? Some of you still got those right? Church cookbooks that you baked stuffed you made stuff out of the church cookbook.  
So everything in life revolved around the truth. And troubling at times is to see instead of the truth in the church being the hub of the wheel upon which everything else revolves… The concern is and that maybe is what being talked a little bit about here when he says be be devoted to one another. That the church cycles in instead of being the hub, it's kind of out here on the rim somewhere. And it cycles into our life once a week as it comes around but other than that we may not think of it much. Maybe that's what Paul was concerned about here? When he tells the Brethren to be devoted to one another and I really would like to help out so-and-so but man I got so much going on here. I don't have time to serve. I don't have time to take care of others. 
That's a sad thing there was a time we had a woman back 30 years ago in Massachusetts a woman who's stricken with cancer sad situation but we were able to do such a thing that I had 24-hour a day care for this woman by church members. Now again it's a different culture most of the women didn't work outside the home and I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing, it's just the way it was.  
But everything revolved around the church and around the Brethren. So Paul may be lamenting a little bit to say “be sure were devoted to one another” and preferring and it says to “give preference” Continuing here Romans 12 verse 10. “Be kindly affectionate be devoted to one of the brother love” and then it says “in honor giving preference to one another”. In honor giving preference to you, putting others first, you first attitude. Verse 11 “not lagging behind in diligence fervent in spirit serving the Lord” You see when we serve others were serving God Himself, serving Christ. With that turn over to Matthew chapter 25. Matthew 25, in verse 37, you're very familiar with this section of Scripture without a doubt. Because every time we read it it kind of sticks us a little bit. Kind of prods our conscience, or pricks our conscience. Proverbs 25 verse 37, remember the scene here there's the the picture of who will be in the kingdom. And what did they do in order to be able to be brought into God's kingdom?  
And so there's this explanation, this kind of proverbial explanation, of what these people did to be considered worthy of being brought into God's kingdom. Christ said, you know to the righteous, come on. In verse 37 “the righteous will answer him saying Lord did we see you hungry and feed you or thirsty and gave you drink?”, remember what Christ said? The reason I'm having you all in is because when I was sick you took care of me. When I was down and out you watched over me, thirsty you gave me drink. And they're saying, “why we didn't do that”, verse 38. “When did we see you a stranger and take you in or naked and clothe you? or when when did we see you sick or in prison and come to you? and the king will answer and say to them assuredly I say to you and as much as you did this to”... who? “one of the least of these my brothers”. Not to the general world we can't care for the whole world. That's not wrong to do that kind of kind of thing for the world. But I guess our our thought really would be is that once everyone in the church is taken care of, great, let's go help others. But until that time let's make sure the Brethren are cared for. “...in as much as you did this, these things - one of the least of these my brothers you did it to me.”  
So we're to show honor to the Brethren by caring for them by fellowshipping with them by doing all we can to help. By encouraging them so we ask how might we show honor to the Brotherhood of believers? Well we can all meditate on that and maybe come up with some good suggestions even for the seminar this afternoon.
This continual looking back on the "glory days" of the church from decades past is a denial of how sick the church was at its core. It is one thing for members to care for one another with godly works so that no one is uncared for, but letting the church tell you that you need to reorient your life so that the church is central to everything you do is bordering once again on cult speak.

No Church of God member needs to let any of their organizations control their lives with one activity after another, till they are exhausted and compliant when they are preached to on Saturdays. Look at how it wrecked thousands of lives over the decades in the WCG and then on into the hundreds of splinter groups. The typical church member's life is between them and God first and not between them and the church first.

Monday, March 19, 2018

Richard Ames: Living Church of God members are the "pioneers of the New Covenant"




Richard Ames writes:

GROWTH IN THE NEW COVENANT: Have you allowed God to write His spiritual law on your heart and mind? Have you energetically sought to internalize the Ten Commandments as away of life? Many mainstream churches wrongly say that the Ten Commandments are "done away," but the truth is that we in God’s Church are pioneers of the New Covenant, allowing God to write His law on our hearts. So, examine yourself to determine how thoroughly you have internalized God’s law of love.
  
The law still till trumps everything in the Living Church of God.   That inconvenient dude called Jesus still gets relegated to the back burner 95% of the time.

Here is a short chart of the things Richard Ames apparently refuses to acknowledge:


  LAW COVENANT--MADE OLD  

  NEW COVENANT--DIFFERENT, FRESH  
   1. Old covenant--2 Cor. 3:14 New Covenant--2 Cor. 3:6
   2. First covenant--Heb. 8:7; 9:1  Second covenant--Heb. 8:7; 10:1-9
   3. Came by Moses--John 1:17  Came by Christ--Heb. 8:6; 9:15
   4. Law of Moses--Acts 13:38,39  Law of Christ--Gal. 6:2
   5. Law of sin--Rom. 7:23; 8:2  Law of righteousness--Rom. 9:30,31
   6. Law of the flesh--Rom. 7:5,6  Law of the spirit--Rom. 8:2
   7. Not of faith--Gal. 3:12  Law of faith--Rom. 3:27
   8. Yoke of bondage--Gal. 5:1  Law of liberty--James 1:25
   9. Ended by Christ--Rom. 10:4  Estab. by Christ--Heb. 8:6; 10:9
  10. Law of death--2 Co.3:7; Ro.8:2  Law of life--Gal. 3:11;6:8
  11. Entangles--Gal. 5:1  Makes free--John 8:32,36 
  12. A shadow--Col. 2:14-17  The reality--Heb. 10:1-18
  13. Fulfilled--Mat. 5:17,18  Now in force--Heb. 8:6; 10:9
  14. People left imperfect--Hb.7:19  Makes perfect--Heb. 7:19
  15. Glorious--2 Cor. 3:7  More glorious--2 Cor. 3:8-10
  16. Powerless to save--Hb.9:9;10:4  Saves to uttermost--Heb. 7:25
  17. Many sacrifices--Heb. 9:12,13  One sacrifice for sins--Heb. 10:12
  18. Temporary priest--Heb. 7:23  Eternal priest--Heb. 7:17
  19. Remembers sins--Heb. 10:3  Forgets sins--Heb. 8:12; 10:17
  20. Yearly atonement--Heb. 10:3  Eternal atonement--Heb. 10:14
  21. Priests have sin--Heb. 5:1-4  Sinless priest--Heb. 7:26
  22. Aaronic priesthood--Heb. 7:11  Melchisedec--Heb. 5:5-10; 7:21
  23. Out of Levi--Heb. 7:11  Out of Judah--Heb. 7:14
  24. Animal sacrifices--Heb. 9:12  Human sacrifice--Heb. 9:14-28
  25. Earthly tabernacle--Heb. 9:2  Heavenly tabernacle--Heb. 8:2
  26. Imperfect mediator--Gal. 3:19  Sinless mediator--1 Tim. 2:5
  27. No inheritance--Rom. 4:13  Eternal inheritance--Heb. 9:15
  28. Instituted upon animal blood
-- Heb. 9:16-22
 Instituted upon blood of Christ
-- Mat. 26:28
  29. Law of works--Rom. 3:27  Law of grace and faith--John 1:17
  30. Works wrath--Rom. 4:15  Saves from wrath--Rom. 5:9
  31. Non-redeeming--Heb. 10:4  Redeems--Gal. 3:13; Heb. 9:12-15
  32. Non-pleasing--Psa. 40:6  Pleasing to God--Heb. 10:5-18
  33. Abolishment predicted--Is.51:6  Establishment predicted--Heb. 8:7
  34. Circumcision--Exod. 12:48  No circumcision--Rom. 4:9-12
  35. Changeable--Heb.7:12; Gal.3:25  Made eternal--Heb. 13:20
  36. Faulty--Heb. 8:7  Perfect--James 1:25
  37. Weak--Heb. 7:18  Strong--Heb. 7:25
  38. Unprofitable--Heb. 7:18  Profitable--Heb. 7:19,25
  39. Natural program--Heb. 9:10-14  Spiritual program--2 Cor. 3:6,18
  40. Daily program--Heb. 7:27  Finished program--Heb.10:10-18
  41. Infirm priests--Heb. 5:2, 7:28  Perfect high priest--Heb.7:26
  42. Priests by law--Heb. 7:12,28  Made priests by oath--Heb.7:21,28
  43. No salvation--Heb. 10:2-4  Eternal salvation--Heb.5:9; 10:10
  44. Perfected nothing--Heb. 7:19  Perfects faithful--Hb.7:19; 10:14
  45. Earthly priests--Heb. 5:1-4  Heavenly priest--Heb. 9:24; 10:12
  46. Repeated inability--Heb. 10:11  Glorious success--Heb. 10:10-18
  47. Many offerings--Heb. 9:7  One offering--Heb. 10:10-14
  48. Good promises--Deut. 28:1-14  Better promises--Heb. 8:6
  49. A good covenant--Rom. 7:12  A better covenant--Heb. 7:22; 8:6
  50. Many high priests--Heb. 7:23  One high priest--Heb. 7:24-28
  51. Typical tabernacle--Heb. 9  True tabernacle--Heb. 8:2; 9:11
  52. No mercy--Heb. 10:28  Complete mercy--Heb. 8:12
  53. Handmade things--Heb. 9:1-5,24  Not handmade--Heb. 9:23,24
  54. An old way--Heb. 8:13  New and living way--Heb. 10:19,20
  55. Unavailing ministers--Heb.7:18  Able ministers--2 Cor. 3:6
  56. Carnal ministry--Heb. 9:9,10  Spiritual ministry--2 Cor. 3:6
  57. Ministration of condemnation-- 2 Cor. 3:9 Ministration of righteousness-- 2 Cor. 3:9
  58. Glory covered--2 Cor. 3:13  Glory uncovered--2 Cor. 3:18
  59. Brings bondage--Gal. 4:24,25  Brings liberty--2 Cor. 3:17
  60. Cannot justify--Gal. 2:16  Does justify--Acts 13:38,39
  61. Brings a curse--Gal. 3:10  Redeems from the curse--Gal. 3:13
  62. Live by works--Gal. 3:10  Live by faith--Gal. 3:11
  63. Cannot give life--Gal. 3:21  Does give life--John 6:63-68
  64. Exposes sin--Gal. 3:19  Covers sin--Rom. 4:1-8
  65. Under law--Rom. 6:14,15  Under grace--Gal. 3:22-25
  66. Done away--2 Cor. 3:7-14  Not done away--2 Cor. 3:11
  67. Abolished--2 Cor. 3:13  Continues glorious--2 Cor. 3:11
  68. Ministry of death--2 Cor. 3:7  Reconciliation ministry--2 Co.5:18
  69. Only for Israel--Dt.4:7,8; 5:3  For all men--Lk. 22:20; Mk. 14:2


Chart link here:  Auburn.edu
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Sunday, March 18, 2018

David C Pack: "Oh well, all the old ones are gone, that just leaves the young ones and that's the way I like it".


Reposting this so it doesn't get buried

What About The Truth said...
A little background for everyone on the mechanism of the RCG: All sermons come from their headquarters and close to 90% of the sermons are from Mr. Pack himself. These sermons are in the form of CD or video. The field ministers rarely if ever speak except for and during the Feast of Tabernacles. Most congregations are led by what is termed a host - a leading man of some sort. The few field ministers that there are, try to visit the congregations at least once every two months excepting for some of the big cities where the minister lives near. All hosts and ministers must fill out a host form every Sabbath. The host must record who spoke, what were the messages about, who was song leader, who gave opening and closing prayer, any visitors, who attended and who didn't show up. This whole set-up is for the purpose of "So that we can all speak the same thing" according to Mr. Pack. So essentially everyones minister is Dave Pack. The field minsters only ensure that everyone is dressed properly and that what they do and speak and act as if they were attending headquarters. All counsel and answers to questions from the field ministers will be according to what Dave Pack has taught, period!

That list of names of ministers and wives may be just a list of names to most of you, but some of those are astounding individuals, others are unique and some are just well ......

Mr. and Mrs. Behrer - class acts - always talking with the lowly common folk. MR. & Mrs Capozzollo - both really good people and hard working. Kevin Denee - too much like royalty. The Goebels are fine minsters. And who wouldn't love Mrs. Goebel who came to her first sabbath service in the 1960's wearing a mini-skirt with go go boots. Davina Lischak (Mr. Pack's adopted daughter) is the ultimate girl next door. Tom Marchione was well loved in the New York area. The Mews and Quimby's all young and talented. Justin and Stacey Palm - Justin was Mr. Pack's personal assistant - both of them very nice people. James Turck, unfortunately, was around Mr. Pack for far too many years. Steve Wazny is a guy everyone would want as their best friend - he had to leave the ministry because he couldn't afford to feed his 4 teenage children. Mike Webster was very well liked by many. When he left many followed. Last I heard he had close to 200 with him. The Farrell's, Harrington's and Toews all had good reputations.

Shortly after Mr. and Mrs Behrer left and some of the others on this list as well, Mr. Pack commented; "Oh well, all the old ones are gone, that just leaves the young ones and that's the way I like it".

Real people, real lives and an unobstructed tyrannical church leader who claimed he was God. What of any good can come from that? 

"Every cult has its currency – ours was fear."



Medium Magazine has an excellent article up dated March 16, 2018 on what life was like growing up in the Worldwide Church of God.

I grew up in a cult.
And this is what it taught me about real life.

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Mar 16 

When my Mum lost her Dad in her early twenties, she was looking for answers and a soft place to land. A confusing time to be human, the 1970s was the era of the Vietnam War, equal rights and the disruption of all kinds of traditional values.
She found sanctuary in the Worldwide Church of God, an American fundamentalist religion that offered concrete answers for seekers; a road-map for the meaning of life, infused with a little self-help theory and some healthy eating tips. 
Aside from a conservative dress code and a ban on makeup, the church was full of fairly normal looking people. There were millions of followers at its peak — families big and small, rich and poor joined from almost every country in the world. 
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Like most cults, there was a gnostic layer to the sharing of “truth.” Our church masters cautioned us against sharing church secrets with school friends, neighbours or other outsiders — they were priviliged truths to be revealed when they decided someone had been properly ‘converted.’ As a consequence, I kept my mouth closed at school and the church theories were rarely challenged. Later, I was often labelled mysterious and secretive. It took me years to realise this was not an intrinsic part of my nature, but something I had developed in an attempt to not draw attention to myself. 
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Niceness is next to godliness
Another characteristic of cult life is the absence of authentic self expression. Cults have a powerful unifying mono ‘cult-ure.’ In ours, everyone was magnetically nice.
“Everyone is so …(can’t quite put my finger on it … ah there it is) … so nice!” was the comment I frequently heard growing up from neighbours, school friends partners — anyone who had a brush with someone from our Church group. It felt like heaven on earth for new recruits; who were often battered and bruised by life’s tribulations.
The indoctrination process was the best part of being in the group. New people were invited to dinner, quizzed intensely about their past, offered home cooked meals and support around the home, had their dance card filled with happy social events. Love bombed.
Niceness let the barriers down. It also stopped the appropriate boundaries from being in place whenever members felt uncomfortabke. But that seemed a small price to pay to fit in. In a dog-eat-dog world, who doesn’t want to be part of an intoxicatingly nice community — even, any community?
That community feeling was the thing I missed acutely when I left … and studies show this is a big reason many people exit one cult to join another. Sometimes the ‘cult’ is a corporation with a similar restrictive culture. 
This niceness nirvana cannot be comfortably sustained. There was a ‘Stepford’ feeling to our community — and our emotional kaleidoscope had a limited spectrum. Some feelings were more spiritual than others – self-reflection, sadness and anxiety were encouraged and rewarded with praise – anger, joy and celebration were considered self indulgent, less spiritual, Ungodly. Birthday celebrations were an example – the pinnacle of self focus – and were banned, along with the ‘pagan’ celebrations of Christmas and Easter. That caused me no end of embarrassment at school and kept me away from forging deep connections with my non church peers.

Read the entire article here:   I grew up in a cult.  And this is what it taught me about real life.

Restored Church of God Ministerial Exodus


Here are the ministers and wives who have left David C Pack's Restored Church of God in the last couple of years....



William Behrer
Jackie Behrer
Charles Bishop
Pat Bishop
John Capozzolo
Margaret Capozzolo
Scott Clark
Kevin Denee
Jennifer (Pack) Denee
Jonathan Dicen
Retzel Dicen
Robert Farrell
Gary Goebel
Donna Goebel
Bob Harrington
Gail Harrington
Gabriel Lischak
Davina Lischak
Tom Marchione
Anthony Mew
Melanie Mew
Joe Milich
Allison Milich
Justin Palm
Stacey Palm
Daniel Quimby
Nicole Quimby
Jake Toews
Robin Toews
James Turck
Steve Wazny
Candice Wazny 
Mike Webster
Jill Webster