Dave Pack: All the beautiful hoity-toity people left the church and the non-beautiful ones stayed

 

From an RCG source with an excerpt from sermon 287:

Now whenever Mr. Armstrong used the term, "whenever God shook the tree" back in Worldwide, I watched this over and over, because I pastored more people than anybody ever. And I knew many, many ministers, and I just saw a lot. And it was part of my training. I noticed that all the beautiful people would always leave. All the "hoity toitys," the people who wanted to be seen and the flatterers, it was always at the end of one of these sweeping problems, like 1974 or other times, even in the apostasy, in the early nineties. The beautiful people would go over a cliff like lemmings, because their heart wasn't here. It was the non-beautiful people, who stayed. People didn't care, who “read” the beautiful people like they were a book, like they were "McGuffey's Reader," "See Spot Run." That's how hard some of them were.

And you know, this well-known evangelist's wife standing there talking to a bunch of other ministers wives said, "I'm so glad my husband is an evangelist so that, I can buy several mink stoles." And then she showed them her mink stole, what a filthy attitude. Well, she's long gone. Their husband's long dead, but I knew I knew her well. So the beautiful people would leave, like rabbits in a storm. The old timers, sometimes but when the going gets tough, the tough got going, and the rest got out! They were gone.

Now, the church is growing all over the world. We bring people to Headquarters and sometimes because you have greater needs at Headquarters--small church--you have to accept people who don't belong at all, even in the church, nevermind Headquarters.

But you can't tell, because the first flatterers the earth will see are not going to be during the first kingdom. There are other flatters, and they will come here and they may be, almost like "rocks "God raises up to Abraham, to help and do a certain work and then they're gone. It's like we were just on their "bucket list" and they get a "check mark" and off they go! That was it. "You didn't think I was serious about this did you?" Well, I drew a salary for five or 10 or whatever number of years, "You didn't think I meant it did you?" "I'm a fraud, I'm out of here!" But it would always have to be [that] things were a little tougher or didn't go like they thought it should. "I can't take this!" They practically stamped their feet and ran out, like a brat in the grocery store aisle.

And I just tell you, at the end of all of this, the people that come through, are the ones that trust in the Lord. "When the Son of Man comes, will he find faith in the earth?" The beautiful people who are always the ones that rise in power, they have more gifts and more skills and they're more in love with themselves, they're more self-focused and self-centered, and self-righteous, we would call them the “elites.” They believe God put them on to run the world. But as soon as he wants to run the world, watch for how many of them are gone. When you look for, you know, the house of the wicked, Psalm 37 says there they're gone in their house too. So, it's, it's a lesson to us. We stayed the course. It's part of why I said we stand first in line. We not only had to do this, we had to do it in the Laodicean age. And that was not easy.

The RCG source notes:

I do find it funny all us Ex-CGers were considered vile, ax grinders, heretics, opportunists, rebels....but now we are the BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE... gotta love it!

Dave Pack claims he is a messenger of a greater power who's work is so awesome that it is preparing the way for God and Jesus to come to earth at the same time

 

A reader here has been listening to Dave's sermon and pulled out this tidbit of absolute nonsense. Dave has placed himself at a level far greater than the god and creature "christ" he claims to follow. Only by his work can his " god & christ" come to earth together because he has prepared the way.

"So, you’re left with two choices: either there is a man on earth sorta like me up here now, or somebody else, who’s preparing the way for those two (God and Christ) to come out of the gate and build the initial Kingdom of God, or that messenger comes first, now that we know Ezekiel 21, with many, many others and prepares the way for God and Christ to come for the second iteration of the Kingdom because the crown already came off and here comes Christ later. Those are your only choices. Either there’s some human messenger talking to the church, explaining that God and Christ are coming together, or there’s a messenger with greater power, and a lot of others with him, in some kind of governmental structure that brought iniquity to an end where people got exalted and a lot of big people got taken down, and then God and Christ come because this man prepared the way before him. Do you see my point? Those are your only choices. And Ezekiel 21 will not allow you to believe any longer, or me – and this is the tip of the iceberg – that some church figure, me or anybody else, prepared the way for God and Christ to come out of the gate. That’s impossible, and you know nothing yet of the many, many other verses that say that’s impossible. That’s what the tease was about in last night’s email."  

 

Crackpot COG Prophet On Why People Who Use Splenda and Sweet'n Low Will Not Recognize The True Church

Will Splenda keep you out of the true church?

 

It's another sunny day in Grover Beach, CA, and our favorite self-appointed crackpot prophet whips out another ludicrous article. Never has a prophet been so consumed with some of the silliest and irrelevant topics that a prophet would be speaking about than in what we see penned by Almost-arrested, doubly blessed Elisha Bwana Bob Thiel, the great savior of Africa and 299 Caucasians.

There is a reason you do not see prophets in the New Covenant church or even in its theology. Apparently, God foresaw the future line of blithering idiots the Church of God would be producing in 2021, in the likes of Gerald Flurry, Ron Weinland, Dave Pack, Alton Bilingsley, and Bob Thiel, and then decided that with the becoming of Christ no more prophets were needed. 

If you are a Christian and a follower of Christ then that need for a prophet is eliminated, plus the problem with today's COG prophets is that they all speak presumptuously for the god they claim to follow. The self-appointed prophets in the Church of God today were NOT appointed by God nor set apart by God to spread some kind of end-time prophetic message.

Notice what Deuteronomy (the COG's favorite book, after Leviticus) has to say about our current crop of self-appointed prophets:

But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’“You may say in your heart, ‘How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’“When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)

That's pretty strong words against our COG prophets. Considering the fact that every single one of these guys has prophesied things that never came true, even just ONE time, is all we need to know about these fools. God rejects them just as we should.

But let's not forget our favorite blithering idiot of a prophet, Bob. Today he has an article up about artificial sweeteners (which actually has some good info in it) and then goes on to equate the idea that people refuse to listen to science that artificial sweeteners are bad for you just as they refuse to listen to the self-appointed prophet of God and the message from the one and only true church supposedly doing a work today. 

I'll skip the artificial sweetener fact list and jump in where he starts comparing those people who use it to those that reject his teachings as a prophet and as a non-apostolic minister pretending to lead a church today.

Avoiding artificial sweeteners, chemical additives, excess refined sugar, and some other items commonly associated with junk foods is consistent with the warning to eat what is good. 

 

Despite the truth, most people (over 98%) who take typical vitamin supplements believe that whatever they take is actually natural and does not have the risks that researchers keep finding that typical vitamin supplements have. This is a false belief. The truth about vitamins in supplements can be known, but most do not want to learn and then act on the truth. 

 

It is a lot like religion. False religion is also artificial and it DOES NOT BRING salvation.
Because of tradition, family influence, and/or social pressures, most people (over 99%) have a faith (religious, atheistic, or agnostic) that is based upon false belief.

That is a perfect description of the Church of God splinter groups today. A works-based false religion that will not bring salvation. A lot of COG members are in it because of family influence and pressure from other COG members to stay in it. Almost all of the larger groups in the COG are based upon false belief and the command to heed church government.

Most WILL NOT WORSHIP GOD IN TRUTH, but instead cling to falsehoods and false traditions. Many use Jesus’ name, but He says He will say to many that He does not know them. 

 

Like those who swallow a lot of artificial sweeteners try to convince themselves that they are helping themselves. 

 

Nearly all take false beliefs into their hearts and minds all the time. They hope, despite the truth, that physical benefits and/or spiritual salvation will come from faiths built upon falsehood. 

 

Consuming large amounts of artificial sweetener can increase the risk of diabetes, obesity, dementia, and other diseases. Being a consumer of false religion does not lead to salvation in this age.

Following these false COG leaders leads to unhealthy mental issues, poverty, sickness, broken marriages and families, divorce, depression, suicide,  and even murder. These followers all hope, despite the truth surrounding them that salvation will come to them through their church and its leadership. Follow them and you will make it to the kingdom and become a god as God is God.

Prophets of God, when they were needed, encourage and convict people to act upon something in order to prevent something drastic from happening. Not so with Bob Thiel. This bumbling fool preaches on these topics as if they are important to anyone seeking to be a follower of Jesus Christ:

• Purim 2021 and Iran
• Could Switzerland be descended from Gad? (Even if it is, it is not relevant)
• I365: 800-Year-Old Prophecy and Hidden Torah Codes 
• COGwriter: No, not this COVID pandemic …
• Polycarp: Any relevance? What did Herbert W. Armstrong teach about him? (Herberts opinion is irrelevant)
• Is it really logical to believe in God? (Bob is unable to prove his point on this subject)
• German State Forbids Drivers From Wearing Masks, Sunglasses & Hats At Same Time’
• Did Papias of Hierapolis teach CCOG or Church of Rome doctrines? (It is a FACT that Papias did NOT teach CCOG doctrines, in fact, no one in the Bible does)
• Should believers ‘completely trust’ the KJV Bible?
• MS: If You Believe Life Will “Return To Normal”, You Have A Fundamental Misunderstanding Of The Times In Which We Live; Biden Pushing ‘Equality Act’
• BibleNewsProphecy: USA pushing (im)’moral leadership’? (COG leadership has been the most immoral group of men ever)
• ‘China Betrays Its Deal with the Vatican’
• Joe Biden: life may not return to normal this year due to COVID mutations; Paul Roberts: The Covid Pandemic Is The Result of Public Health Authorities Blocking Effective Treatment
• Sermon: What Type of Catholic was Polycarp of Smyrna?
• Munich Security Conference: Biden urges allies to show democracies can ‘still deliver’
• ‘Biden Withdraws Trump’s Restoration of UN Sanctions on Iran’ ‘Israel: US paving path to Iranian nuclear bomb with push to rejoin JCPOA’
• CG7-Denver, the Paulini, and Binitarianism
• 1984 to be banned? Vaccine needed to buy & sell? 666 precursors?
• Nord Stream 2 and other European moves away from the USA: USA too damaged to lead?
• Conspiracy theories do not mean that Freemasons do not exist
• WND: Archbishop to Biden: Stop calling yourself a ‘devout Catholic’ (God says, Bob Thiel Stop calling yourself a Christian!)
• ‘You Must Eat 100% Synthetic Beef, Says Bill Gates Who Is An Early Investor In The Fake Meat Industry’
• Ash Wednesday: Did Early Christians Observe Something Like It?
• UN: Iran producing uranium metal in violation of 2015 nuclear deal; Israel is concerned and may not support Biden-Harris plans
• Aim of impeachment to support monitoring ‘domestic terrorism’? Kevin Sorbo removed from Facebook
• Mardi Gras and Shrove Tuesday?
• Germany pushing ‘mark of the beast’?
• AP on COVID conspiracies, but it fails to report on major vitamin D study
• DW: 500 years after Martin Luther’s excommunication: A chance for ecumenical Christianity

Not one single thing listed above is relevant to a Christian's walk. None of them have anything to do with salvation. While they may be interesting or even factual, they still are 100% irrelevant to the spiritual life of a follower of Christ.

Fake prophets and false preachers in the Church of God need to keep their few followers whipped into a frenzy of fear and dread. Because every single one of today's COG leaders ignores Christ and everything he came to accomplish and did, they are left with the kind of crap Bob publishes and the things Pack and Flurry says.

Followers of Jesus know this:

Philippians 4:6-7
6 Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

This invalidates all of the conspiracy theories, false doctrines, false teachings, and blatant lies of today's COG leaders. No one needs their crap.

Philippians 4:9
9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.

Galatians 5:22
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 

 

Colossians 3:15
15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 

 

Romans 5:1
1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Romans 8:6
6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.

Ephesians 6:15

15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 

 

John 14:27
27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. 

 

1 Thessalonians 5:23
23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

James 3:18
18 Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness. (Have you ever noticed that COG leaders are NOT peacemakers? They are constantly stirring up strife and trauma in the church) 

 

Philippians 4:7
7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

No follower of Christ needs to follow anything Bob Thiel says. They do not need to follow Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry or Ron Weinland, or any other leader of a corporate Church of God. 

We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:5

People In Restored Church of God Need To Hear From Us Former Members

From a comment in a previous post:

Sure wasn't any of that when I was giving on a monthly basis:

- First Tithe
- Tithe of Tithe
- Leftover Second Tithe
- Third Tithe
- Offerings
- Volunteering on the campus on Sunday landscaping
- Working Mon-Fri doing everything on top of my actual job
- Setting up and breaking down the halls multiple times on Saturday, opening doors   for people who never could say hi, bringing in food, vacuuming, etc.
- Fundraising Money
- I was paying on top of everything to attend Ambassador Center
- I dressed the part
- Never stepped out of line
- Said yes
- Shoveled for others and never had time to shovel for myself
- It goes on and on

But as soon as I cut RCG off and stop being a cash cow for them and free labor in many cases, I became all these things. 

I sacrificed a lot, gave up my own path for a cause I believed in, and quietly like many others who needed something to look too, I gave RCG the best of me in all areas, and yet that was simply not worthy. 

People who are in the RCG need to hear us, former members, when we say: "Why are you being faithful to a place and person who won't be faithful to you once you are no longer giving them $$$$$$$$$$$$ and free labor"?

I have sat at HQ before Dave Pack and heard him in real-time completely assassinate the character of HQ ministers/employees who would leave. A lot of these never made it onto the tapes/cd or online files because they were cut. 

But I truly sat there as Pack would spit and rage over ministers and employees who would leave and hear him divulge details of their sins. He would never directly say but infer and when David Pack infers you can most certainly use enough common sense to know who and what he is talking about. 

Over time I felt two things: 1. I cannot safely counsel with HQ ministers and 2. Something had to be wrong if every time a minister or employee left, Pack thought it necessary to go to great lengths to assassinate their character. Something didn't sit right with me about that and I just wanted to hear the other side.

It's not surprising when you hear it. You sort of expected it. It certainly is disappointed. Because you feel like you wasted time.

RCG members are conditioned to believe that any kind of questioning internally or externally = loss of salvation.

This is clearly evidenced in his recent sermon where he states that those who believe they have made it to 1335 are locked in, and settled. 

David Pack has proven himself to be a false prophet and not one minister has enough balls to stand up at the pulpit and give a refresher on what a false prophet looks like. 

You shall know them by their fruits is in the context of false prophets, remember that! Matthew 7:15–18

Testing the spirits is in the context of false prophets. 1 John 4:1

David's prophecy is from his own will, and he has a need to be right, to prove himself. 2 Peter 1:20–21

“I did not send David Pack, yet he ran; I did not speak to him, yet he prophesied".

Jeremiah 14:14
Zechariah 10:2
Jeremiah 23:16
Jeremiah 23:21
Micah 3:11
2 Peter 2:1–3
Matthew 7:15–18

The NT has a lot to say about false teachings and false prophets and yet there is no actual prophet in the new testament, that office isn't seen until two witnesses come later on. But why is that? 

Dave Pack: There has never been a COG that has had more vile, rebellious, heretical, criminal, and opportunistic people in its midst than this !

 

Remember, this is a Church of God where the leader is never at fault. 

It is always those ungrateful sods that are employees and members.

Even though I will begrudgingly take your money, you are still nothing more than walking pieces of Laodicean garbage, unfit to be in my presence.