Commercial Break: Uh Oh... Catholic Tainted Bobalonia Challenges Dr James Tabor On the Virgin Birth

Big Mistake should Dr. James Tabor ever responds to Bob's lack of understanding concerning Jesus Birth Narratives in Matthew and Luke. The problems with them as well as the motive and intent of them is not difficult to research. 

Mark has no birth narrative of Jesus and Paul says Jesus was "Born of a Woman", so nothing unusual there. 

Dr Tabor's point is that the Apostle Paul paved the way with his Cosmic Christ in the Heavens and certainly not the Jesus of the later written Gospels.  Paul merely comments once that Jesus was "born of a woman".  Nothing unusual there. 

It's an easy study and Dr Bob Thiel had better hope Dr James Tabor does not challenge him on his rebuttal of the origins of and problems with the Virgin Birth stories of Jesus. 

One fun one is that the Gospel of Mark portrays a Mary that forgot what she pondered in her heart in Luke when Angels had a chat with her concerning her pregnancy. Mark's Mary and Jesus' brothers showed up in Capernaum to take Jesus home, "because they thought he was insane" Mark  3:20-22

While Matthew and Luke copied Mark 90% and 80% respectively, this story was never again repeated, and they wrote to refute such an embarassing tale in Mark. 

Dr. Tabor on whether the Apostle Paul ‘invented the virgin birth’

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Dr. James Tabor, once part of the old Worldwide Church of God, does not believe many doctrines it once taught. He had an article published titled Did Paul Invent the Virgin Birth? Here is some of what it said:

Paul never explicitly refers to Jesus’ virgin birth nor does he ever name either Mary or Joseph. What he does affirm is that Jesus pre-existed before his human birth and subsequently gave up his divine glory through his birth as a human being. He writes that Jesus “though existing in the form of God” emptied himself and took on human form, “being made in the likeness of humankind” (Philippians 2:6-7). He says further “though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you by his poverty might become rich” (2 Corinthians 8:9). He has to be referring here, metaphorically, to the “riches” of Jesus’ pre-existence with God, since all our sources have Jesus born of a poor peasant family. Paul also writes “In the fullness of time God sent forth his Son, made of a woman . . .” (Galatians 4:4). The implication of these texts is that Jesus’ mother was merely the human receptacle for bringing Jesus into the world. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-d-tabor/did-paul-invent-the-virgin-birth_b_2355278.html

While Dr. Tabor does mention the accounts in Matthew and Luke in his article, he also suggests that Roman mythology may have played a role in the “virgin birth” doctrine.

The Bible, and early writings, clearly support the fact that Jesus was born of a virgin (Mary). And the first suggestion of it precedes the Apostle Paul by centuries.

Was the Virgin Birth Prophesied?

Was Jesus’ birth from a virgin prophesied?

It was if you believe what was written by the prophet Isaiah:

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel (Isaiah 7:14, NKJV throughout).

According to Matthew’s writings, Jesus fulfilled that prophecy:

Living Church of God - Lock It Up Boys!

From LCG Skeptic

This past week, Gerald Weston gave orders that all LCG congregations must lock their doors shut as soon as services begin and remain locked for the duration of services. There are rumors that someone may have threatened them. We all know about the shooting years ago…

Or it could be another form of control on their part to make sure everyone is there on time. It seems more and more people come in late now. 

 

Does anyone know anything about this? Weston hasn't even explained to the area "pastors" the reason for doing this. Nothing like being open with "the brethren".

Dave Pack: Another Day of Failures

 

Half-Minded NOT

 

Today is another day of failure.

 

A lesson David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God never learned is: Just keep your mouth shut for one extra day, and you will avoid a ton more embarrassment.

 

I thankfully halved the article covering “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 409)” from December 10, 2022. At the time, Dave made a big deal out of a “half a day” because it fouled up all his biblical math. But then, he was right on track.

 

As it turns out, it only took two days for him to discover it did not matter so much. This Pathetic Update was posted in Member Services on Monday, December 12.

 

Prophecy Update – December 12, 2022

There is much evidence that the first period is no more or less than 10 days. It came to be that when God says 10 days of tribulation, we should not add or subtract time. Think of His precision with 1,335 days or 3.5 days! The only variable is whether Christ wants to spend time with us before the 10 days begin. This seems unlikely, but not impossible. Your watch could start as laid out in Pt 409, but don’t be surprised if 10 days is exact—with everything starting a half-day later than 409 explained.

 

It is anyone’s guess what else Dave taught this weekend that he will soon recant.

 

Peering through the lens of physical reality dispels the need for concern fueled by hope or faith. He is failing again on Wednesday, December 14. It has now become a fact of history. And the interwebs is not kind to such information.

 

 

In honor of his 10-day-whatever or 10-and-a-half-day-whatever failure TODAY, we will continue to examine the other half of Part 409. 

 

The quote where Dave blames God for things not panning out is worth repeating.

 

Part 409 – December 10, 2022

@ 18:38 The only way we go further if Christmas and all the proofs were a ruse by God to throw us off. And all the things that point to Sunday…were a ruse by God to throw us off…And God deliberately…threw us off.

 

Not only does Dave accuse God, but the more times he fails, the more new places he appears in the Bible. Why those are parallel is a great mystery.

 

Elijah is the man in linen who measures the temple in Revelation and Ezekiel. Elijah is the man in linen who speaks with Daniel from the middle of the river in chapter 12. Elijah is also the Mighty Angel of Revelation 10:1

 

@ 29:13 How many of you think when you look at it this way that the Lord Jesus Christ is just "another mighty angel?"

 

Dave explains the Mighty Angel is the Seventh Angel, which means Seventh Messenger, which means Elijah the Prophet, which means David C. Pack. The Bible keeps pointing to him.

 

@ 29:59 So, start with the fact that [Revelation] chapter 10, Mr. Armstrong never believed was Jesus Christ. I’ll tell you from chapter 11 why I went that direction.

 

Went that direction? No, he declared it as an expert who knows where the Father is and where Jesus Christ is throughout the Bible. To disagree inside RCG is to be rebellious, stubborn, and arrogant to think you know better than God's chosen apostle.

 

Part 394 – September 24, 2022

@ 17:24 So, we never knew that Christ Himself to open [Revelation] chapter 10, who’s called a Mighty Angel is Jesus Christ. We thought it was maybe Michael or Gabriel or somebody…We just never saw those things. Right there in plain sight. Thundering at us. Screaming at us.

 

What is screaming and thundering now, Dave? The echoing “Dooh!” all across Wadsworth is for you.

 

The seeds of doubt might bud in the minds of some in RCG. If Dave thought this was Jesus Christ, but now it is not, what about all those other places he claims to know "exactly" where the Father and Jesus Christ are? Could he be wrong about that in other places, too? It is just a question.

 

@ 33:09 But you should at least understand that [Revelation] chapter 10 is pretty obvious that it’s Elijah.

 

The Obvious Elijah sightings are crystal clear to Dave. Seems hard to believe there is room for anyone else in the Old or New Testament.

 

In Revelation 11, John will not be around to measure the temple, but that is a similitude, meaning that he is also Elijah. Who just so happens to be David C. Pack. You can see this same man in Ezekiel measuring the temple.

 

The Seventh Angel is the Seventh Messenger is the Mighty Angel is Elijah is That Prophet is David C. Pack. Move over, Kevin Bacon. It does not even take six degrees in the Bible to link David C. Pack all over the place.

 

 

Dave tumbles deeper into the Jerusalem Syndrome rabbit hole of his own self-delusion. How there were no uncontrollable snickers in the audience during some of these outlandish claims is another great mystery. Of course, nobody walked out.

 

The Two Witnesses are sent by Elijah, not Jesus Christ.

 

That was not a stutter. Elijah sends the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11:3, not Jesus Christ. They work under Elijah. And Elijah is David C. Pack.

 

The reasoning is so convoluted that quoting the text would look like Morse Code. For those with a stomach, you can watch his explanation.

@ 44:14 I know the Bible well.

 

I am going to leave that one for the Comments section.

@ 45:08 If we understand the 1335 correctly, it’s now set. It’s certain. It’s just which day in the next three or so.

 

Statements like this are sure to cause Dave even more chest pains.

 

The 1335 of Daniel 12:12 did not begin today. Again. I probably should have counted how many times the 1335 was a no-show for 2022. Maybe that could be a side project for 2023.

 

 

Dave cannot keep himself from seeing comparisons to John the Baptist.

 

When John the Baptist is resurrected, there will be some pretty uncomfortable moments when Dave tries to introduce himself.

 

@ 45:46 The parallel with John the Baptist, if there’s one, if John was an Elijah and there’s another one that’s coming as an Elijah, then we’ve gotta go back and remember what I said last week and dismiss the other parts of it. He was a messenger…I’ve been a messenger.

 

Dave has been a messenger of malarkey. A messenger of fraud. A messenger of lies. A messenger of blasphemy. A messenger of fear.

 

@ 46:03 He was a prophet and more than a prophet. I been more than a prophet.

 

A false prophet and false apostle, to be sure.

 

@ 46:08 He was a Levite. So am I. God raised him. Well, nobody thinks I came to this office by myself.

 

Yeah. Do not ask for a show of hands. That would be awkward.

 

@ 46:15  He prepared a people. A people have been prepared here. He just came outta Nowheresville, the wilderness. Just poof! You know? When God gave him an utterance in Luke 3:2. 

 

Notice how Dave skipped admitting he has never received an utterance from God. Be prepared for it because that day is coming. It will be a game-changer for everyone.

 

@ 46:28 I’m sort of a guy in the wilderness. I made the Bible’s greatest prophecies plain, a voice cries out.

 

He cannot be referring to his own gutted, retired book. A book removed in shame years ago.

 

You can purchase an out-of-print hard copy on Amazon for $97. That is a much better deal than on eBay, where you can own a piece of church history for $162.

 

At this point, if David C. Pack stood at the lectern in the Main Hall of The Restored Church of God Headquarters and drank his own urine, the brethren would continue to sit quietly and motionless in their chairs, accepting it as God’s will for His servant.

 

Ken Orel, please test this theory and see if that kind of blind obedience would extend to you.

 

@ 46:36 He came before Jesus Christ. And he did no miracles…I cast out many demons in my life…I anointed them. And they were healed instantly…But, it’s funny, once I came to this assignment, I’ve never done any of that anymore.

 

Yeah, Dave, it is funny. It is almost as if God did not want any actual proof of your office. He did not want you to exhibit any signs of an apostle so that people could not confirm you have God’s authority. However, the long list of failed dates proves what assignment you fulfill.

 

And by the way, why are you unable to complete your assignment or get even one thing correct after nearly 20,000 hours of Bible study? Will it take 30,000 hours? 40,000 hours?

 

@ 47:33 But, I don’t do any miracles. Not for years…But, it’s almost as though if God were to create a parallel, you can’t have me walking up and down the street and everybody’s healed…Or people mighta come here for the wrong reasons. You’d have Catholics coming here if I could do that.

 

God cannot have you be like Peter and Paul and Stephen. You might be mistaken for a true apostle or a true prophet. Catholics repenting and converting on the spot following the New Testament pattern? We cannot have any of that.

 

 

While addressing recent mistakes, Dave avoided calling it a mistake or taking any blame.

 

@ 48:59 …as I was learning all kinds of things that God was opening up. Let’s put it this way, maybe I over-thought some things. Then, the men around me did, too.

 

He is referring to his Meat Puppet and Meat Shield. They do not need to be at the lectern to be useful for Dave’s protection.

 

@ 49:06 But I was the captain. And then, I over-built trying to figure out how many kingdoms are there. Turns out there's two, but you could look at it and see three as recently as a week ago.

 

First, he "over-thought," then he "over-built." Which means he is trying super-hard. Maybe he is trying too hard. Being wrong, in error, or false is too hot a potato to hold in his hand.

 

So, one week ago, God's apostle, who will be raised as Elijah, who is the Seventh Messenger, the Mighty Angel of Revelation 10, a similitude of John the Baptist, thought there were three Kingdoms, but this week teaches there are two.

 

One could ask, “How many Kingdoms of God will there be one week from now? If those who believed you a week ago were proven wrong, why should anyone risk believing you this week, when it is completely plausible by next week, the answer will change again?”

 

These are questions only an antichrist serpent more wicked (almost) than the devil could think up. They are foolish questions, I admit. But I would really like to know. Dr. Ranney, please write me at exrcgwebsite@gmail.com or call me. You have my number.

 

@ 54:55 Remembering as we do, there’s Mount Everest. We’re not gonna get past the night of December 24^th.

 

Please do not remember this on Christmas Day. Just close your eyes and move past it.

 

Part 405 – November 16, 2022

@ 1:34:37 Now, if it is not this Sabbath, I don’t understand Luke 12, Matthew 24. I don’t understand the math. And I don’t understand Zechariah or Habakkuk chapter 2. I don't understand how all of those verses point to he's gonna speak on the Sabbath, but it isn't.

 

It is unfair to quote Dave from so long ago as proof of his fraudulent teachings.

 

Part 403 – November 5, 2022

@ 03:03 Every last bit of that picture was settled…this framework can no longer change. It’s settled. We can trust all the scriptures that hold it in place.

 

Bringing up this again is just a downright dirty trick.

 

Part 367 – May 14, 2022

@ 1:31:20 I am telling God’s people I believe the Kingdom of Israel and eternal life comes tomorrow night. If I’m wrong…I’m wrong by a whole year because I know the day it happens.

 

Only a perverse, evil mind would ever think to hit below the belt like this.

 

Part 285 – February 1, 2021

@ 1:12:09 But, of course, all of this crashes if Christ does not come this Friday.

 

The devil’s favorite weapon is the truth. Right, Dave?

 

 

Another one of those stupid little Dave Pack teachings based on presumptive hot air leaking from his ears comes forward. It is not on the same scale as Stephen from Acts 7 being killed because he attacked the Jewish Christmas tree, but it is from the same spirit of nonsense.

 

@ 1:20:02 “…and they have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time.” A time is a season. Brethren, how long is a season? A day.

 

The Greek word for “time” in Mark 4:17 is proskairos (G4340) and means “for the occasion only, that is, temporary.” It appears four times in the New Testament.

 

The word means “a day” because Dave needs it to. Just like “seven times” briefly meant “a week” back in Part 387. The actual definitions of words in the Bible mean nothing to Dave. He distorts them into what he needs them to be and will discard them as soon as the jig is up.

 

 

It is maddening how often Dave reads Habakkuk 2:2 without any understanding and keeps recycling the same ideas over and over and over again.

 

@ 1:25:24 “And the Lord answered and said, ‘Write the vision, make it plain on tables, that he may rush that reads it.’” I believe that’s happening today.

 

David C. Pack has the most astonishing

piss-poor reading comprehension skills

of anyone I have ever heard.

 

If he bothered to slow down and pay attention to the printed words in the book, it would be clear that there are two people in that verse. 1) One who writes. 2) One who reads. They are not the same person.

 

The writer makes it plain on the tablet. The reader is the one rushing. But, even that is not entirely true because the actual meaning of the verse is that the words are so easy to read that someone running past the tablet would be able to understand it. Like driving past a billboard. Those are designed to be plain and readable in a short space of time as you move past.

 

But Dave does not get it. Once he reads anything a certain way, replacing words like he just did while reading it, he will not be able to grasp the actual concept of what God was saying. This is the David C. Pack conundrum. He can know the Bible in his sleep and read it but cannot understand it.

 

Higher math, please meet the cow.

 

 

While explaining a new discovery in Hebrews 10, Dave almost admitted something.

 

@ 1:28:02 I don’t know, brethren, why I couldn’t see it before. I take…you know, heart that nobody else ever saw it.

 

Ah, man. He almost said “responsibility," but luckily, he caught himself. Admitting fault would have been too humble an act for Elijah-Elect and the future Joshua, the High Priest. And the Seventh Messenger, who is the Mighty Angel, among so many other things.

 

Instead of accepting any blame for not seeing Hebrews 10 the way he does now, he is the first to see it, which should count for something. The pathology of his thinking process in real time is a curious thing to behold. He is less restrained than he used to be, making his deterioration all the more evident to anyone paying attention.

 

@ 1:28:10 I give myself grief. Probably one reason why I get chest pains. You know, because I know that people are counting on me to get this straight.

 

Anyone inside The Restored Church of God still counting on Dave to get this straight is setting themselves up for a lifetime of disappointment. That day will never arrive because God is not guiding him. 

 

 

Dave has no fear of tempting God, either.

 

@ 1:28:23 And I’m still alive. I’m fine. I feel great.

 

Famous last words.

 

I recall the “Mr. and Mrs. Pack are fine” moment when they got COVID-19 after the Feast of Tabernacles in 2020. I also remember Dave hiding his tachycardia condition for months, though the effects were visible on his face during messages.

 

RCG is not known for being a “full disclosure” organization. There are brethren and ministers inside The Restored Church of God who still do not know Headquarters bought a $500,000 house in August.

 

@ 1:28:26 Turned 74 this week, and I don't feel a day over 73 and ten months.

 

See. The guy who teaches birthdays are evil cannot help but mention it in sermons.

 

@ 1:39:46 One last message on a last Sabbath that’s possible is sposta trigger everything. Then, it’s just watch.

 

Today, we watched the 1335 not happen. Folks will continue to watch nothing happen as they have been since 2013. The days leading up to December 24 will produce nothing. Christmas Day will produce nothing. Whatever David C. Pack ever teaches will always produce nothing.

 

If he had even half a mind left, he would shut his pie hole and resign.

 

But, as Gary posted on his blog, one-half of Dave's mind ran away. The other half went looking for it.

 

Rest assured, Part 410 will explain what went wrong.

Marc Cebrian

See: Half-Minded NOT

Writing the Gospels

 

Wonder how many will understand this?

Restored Church of God: Elizabeth O'Leary-Noble Exit Letter

 

Dear Mr. Jackson,

I never in a million years thought I would be writing this letter, but here I am. I have no other choice since this is eternally my life or death. I am still struggling to get the words out properly, and I pray God will guide me into conveying my most sincere thoughts and concerns. This will be long because I need you to feel and understand the extreme emotions I've been going through and am still going through.

I got baptized on April 8, 2017, almost 3 months after my father died in the faith on January 15, 2017. Both my parents attended The Worldwide Church of God when I was a little girl. I vaguely remember Mr. Armstrong preaching in an open-air amphitheater in NY. I had pictures from the Feast many years ago. My parents, for whatever reason, journeyed through the wilderness away from WCG. They never knew of the apostasy happening. Around 2013-2014 my parents found RCG and started attending. They would come to stay with me during their "combined" services once a month. This is where I would hear such words as: splinters, Feast of Tabernacles, Trumpets, Days of Unleavened Bread, Atonement, brethren, baptisms, foot washing, tithing, The Eternal, ministers, headquarters, Mr. Pack, and so many more. This is also where I witnessed my father's change. It was dramatic, obvious, genuine, and refreshing. I attributed this new attitude to the church he was a part of.

Once a month, I'd look forward to my parents coming to stay with us (At the time, I wasn't married to my husband). My dad would always read his Bible and tell me about our Creator. I was attending another at-home "church" group during this period. Dad and I would go back and forth about scripture. I'll never forget when he told me about God telling Job how He laid out the earth's foundations with precise measurements. I thought to myself, "Wow, really? God did that?" He opened his Bible and showed me Job 38:4-6. From that point, I was enamored with my dad showing me God's words. 

During this time, my father's health was already spiraling down. I had to take him to Sabbath services while my mother and siblings traveled on a planned trip to the Philippines to visit family. I took care of my dad and spent quality time with him. I sat in many services listening to sermons and Mr. Pack's series "The Greatest Untold Story!" in December 2016. We were then on part 53, I believe. By the time my mother returned, dad was in the hospital, and she went straight to his bedside. He was in congestive heart failure. My whole family flew into Florida, and our ministers were at his bedside for days. At this time, God was pulling at my heart, calling me to Him, and I FELT it. I had lovely talks with my dad in the hospital. One late night, my dad had a heart attack and was put on life support. During this painful time, I tearfully sobbed, constantly asking my minister, "Where is my dad going? What's happening? Will I see him again in heaven?" I couldn't stop asking questions. I was so distraught. I was on a mission to know the TRUTH.

Our family had to make the most unbearably heartbreaking decision in my life, to unplug his life support. The only people in that room were my siblings, mother, and our ministers. I felt like I had died that day with him.

We had his funeral 3 days later, and our minister spoke. This whole time, I didn’t stop with questions. I started counseling, read EVERY booklet and article, and watched every video of Mr. Pack. I highlighted, made notes, and studied everything my minister told me to. I would sit at my parent's table, read for 5 hours straight, sometimes 8 hours, and put everyone, including my husband, to the side. I was FOCUSED. I couldn’t believe I finally knew the TRUTH about where my dad was. 

God put him to sleep. What a sigh of relief that was! I was, in fact, going to see him again one day! That was the number one most profound, enlightening piece of factual truth about God I had EVER learned. It hit me like a Mack truck and gave me such peace all at the same time. 

I got baptized on April 8, 2017, in a hotel pool in Tampa along with 2 other brothers. I was so excited I kept telling everyone, "I can't wait to cannonball into that water!" I was ready to see my dad when Christ returned! I often jokingly told brethren my dad would be surprised when he wakes up to see me standing there. He's going to say, "What are you doing here laughing with a huge grin? Ha!” and I'm going to say, "Well, you win. YOU WERE RIGHT, DAD." Since my dad and I were SO ALIKE, we also bumped heads.

As the months went by, I changed drastically, inside and out. It was obvious to everyone, including family. I stood my ground. I lost friends. I lost family members. I almost lost my marriage. I defended Mr. Pack as God’s apostle. You couldn't say a bad word about Mr. Pack without me biting back at you, firmly but gently. I knew the TRUTH, and I was in the ONE TRUE CHURCH! I was FULLY submerged in RCG.

I remember a particular night we were told to stay up all night in March 2019. We were to wear our Sabbath attire. Mr. Pack said Christ was returning. I was so excited! I wrapped up things I needed to take care of, and I said my "goodbyes" to people I loved, but I knew I'd see them again and just anxiously waited all night to be "taken away" by an angel. That night came and went. I was genuinely heartbroken, but I was told it was OKAY because God knew the brethren weren't ready, and we had more time to work on ourselves. I thought, "Alright, I need to work on my character, and I should be grateful God is giving me more time.”

New dates were repeatedly given over the next few months, and they came more frequently. I still believed but had a little voice inside questioning. Hmm... I immediately knew nobody was to question Mr. Pack or any of the sermons. I would constantly repent, all day, in my closet, on my knees, in my head, and push these bad thoughts down. How could I be so ungrateful to question God’s apostle? I wasn’t worthy. I was horrible. I’m going to the lake of fire. I was a heathen. I was the devil’s child. These were comments I heard and learned from DCPs sermons and other ministers. What was wrong with me?

My brother started asking lots of questions about RCG in 2020. I thought, “Oh, how wonderful! My brother will be a saint alongside mom and I!” I was so excited that I made a point to REALLY steer my thoughts away from any negativity regarding whether Mr. Pack and RCG were true. I mean, this was a sign to me that God was working to show me that I was in the right church. He’s calling my brother! 

In October 2020, in Panama City, my brother was baptized with other new brethren in the hotel pool while Mr. Pack and his ministers were in attendance. This was exciting! It was emotional as he cried, I cried, mom was beaming, families were tearful, and we basked in that moment. I thought to myself, Dad will be so happy with us when he wakes.

 

About 5 months into my brother's new journey, more dates were set by Mr. Pack and failed. I remember listening to other brethren discuss this. Certain ministers were giving sermons repeatedly, saying, "You don’t need to understand prophesy for salvation." You just need to obey God’s foundational laws. Hmm... Okay. That small voice was popping up again, and I was questioning. One day, I spoke to my brother on the phone and he asked me, "Who laid hands on Mr. Pack to become an apostle of God?" I replied, Umm...I don’t know, honestly. But he’s definitely the apostle because he’s the leader of RCG, and you shouldn’t be questioning Mr. Pack. You will get into trouble and others will see you as divisive and a troublemaker. Oh no, why is my brother questioning now? What if he has a valid question? Who will answer it? Do the ministers know? I’m not allowed to question Mr. Pack!

My brother wouldn’t stop asking, and I had no answers. I just kept defending Mr. Pack with no proof. But I, too, had questions. ARGH... He eventually went to his local minister and had numerous discussions, but NO ANSWERS. I couldn’t believe it. And his minister is the sweetest man. He is a genuine, loving, kind-spirited human, just like my minister. I felt so torn and confused. What's happening? Eventually, my brother stopped attending after feeling completely lost, with no answers. Not one of the brethren in his congregation could answer him either. He lasted 8 months in RCG. He left in mid-2021. 

He called and told me, "Sis, Mr. Pack is a false apostle. Read your Bible and pray. God is NOT a liar, nor the author of confusion."

THAT was God planting a seed for me to PROVE ALL THINGS. I’m so glad I did.

His comment bothered me for months. The tug on my heart and mind was greatly increased, but I kept pushing it away! More dates were set. They came and went. I started researching God’s word again. I found myself so enveloped in this constant fear of questioning Mr. Pack and his teachings that I completely IGNORED The Fathers Holy Word. I trusted Mr. Pack. I trusted the ministers. I trusted the brethren. And I ignored scripture. That has been such a heartache for me and, at the same time, such an enlightening time as I draw closer to The Father. I’m repenting for being so blind, so naive, and fearful of MEN. It makes me sick.

I have questions, but rather rhetorical; for you to ponder.

I'll start with this TRUTH. God says He cannot lie (Numbers 23:19, Titus 1:2). A person either believes God or they don't. It's that SIMPLE. There isn't a debate. I believe we can agree on this.

Since God CANNOT lie, why are these verses ignored by the RCG ministry? Deuteronomy 18:20-22 states, But the prophet, which shall PRESUME to speak a word in my name, which I have NOT commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a PROPHET SPEAKETH IN THE NAME OF THE LORD, if the thing NOT follow, nor come TO PASS, that is the thing which the LORD hath NOT SPOKEN, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. 

These verses alone make RCG false and DCP a fraud. God doesn’t lie.

Why was the book Is "That Prophet" Alive Today? The Rise of False Prophets taken off the RCG website? An interesting read for sure and eye-opening written by Mr. Pack. I’d like to share some of his own words. Chapter 6, page 41.

FEAR, FLATTERY, FILTHY LUCRE AND FALSE PROPHETS. 

Take a moment to review Deuteronomy 18:22. Christ inspired Moses to warn God’s people to “not be afraid of” false prophets. This is because they do engender fear in their followers! Actually, this is their central goal. FEAR is generally how they motivate followers.

Also, if people leave, he knows that he loses financial support. No mystery here! Titus warns of “gainsayers…vain talkers and deceivers…whose mouths must be stopped” because they “teach things which they ought not,  for filthy lucre’s sake” (1:9-11). In the end, false teachers always have a money angle hidden in their “new teachings.” II Peter 2:1-3 explains that the false prophets of the Old Testament (of which Peter was speaking) functioned like false teachers in the New Testament. Verse 3 shows that it is through “covetousness which they with feigned words make merchandise of you.” Another way of stating this is false prophets try to deceive you so that they can take God’s money from you! Do you believe these plain warnings?

I'd like to dive deeper into some of those words Mr. Pack stated. FEAR. I’ve been in RCG for 5 years and 8 months. Anyone in RCG knows good and well that if you open your mouth and ask questions regarding Mr. Pack and his failed dates or anything for that matter, you're immediately "divisive," "arrogant," "high-minded," "rebellious," and you'll be put on notice with ministers and brethren which could lead to being flagged, suspended, or "marked." (MARKED-which I’ll come back to). I’ve been brainwashed into NOT opening my mouth to anyone, in fear of what I just stated. Brethren have been trained to be "tattletales," "reporters," or "informers ."It's as if hosts and brethren are secret CIA agents for the ministry. Are we not allowed to have brains to THINK as God intended? God does say, "Prove ALL THINGS..." (1 Thessalonians 5:21). I came to realize, sadly, that RCG's environment is one that is NOT safe to disagree in and is not an environment focused on the growth of the flock, but is absolutely focused on control through fear tactics. 

Why do ministers and Mr. Pack say brethren leaving RCG will cut you off of the vine connected to Christ. 

John 15:5 states, I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that ABIDETH IN ME, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for WITHOUT ME YE CAN DO NOTHING. 

Abiding in Christ allows HIS WORD to fill our minds, direct our wills, and transform our affections. It reflects a DEEP personal relationship and personal connection to GOD. Leaving RCG does NOT cut you off from the vine physically. It is deeply SPIRITUAL. Following and imitating Christ is what we are called to DO. Listening to Mr. Pack lie and twist God’s word is blasphemy. It’s mind control. How utterly disgusted and sad I am for "following a man" over GOD'S OWN WORDS.

2 Peter 1:20-21 says, Above all, YOU must realize that NO PROPHECY in scripture ever came from the prophets OWN UNDERSTANDING, or from human initiative. No, THOSE prophets were moved by the holy spirit, and they SPOKE FROM GOD. 

God’s spirit is not moving DCP.

 

DCP LIES! And he does it while making merchandise out of the brethren. He’s keeping himself and his campus ministers nice and cozy. Actually, you are contributing to that, too. So are all the brethren across the world. He’s robbing people of their tithes and preaching a fake doctrine of "common.”

YES, a fake doctrine he made up by cherry-picking verses and twisting them. Common is for the brethren to help each other and the poor among them, not to give to RCG and watch our money be used for a sprawling campus for DCP and his ministers, while truly poor brethren who don’t have 2 nickles to rub together are fighting to feed their families in the Philippines, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Africa, and even right here in the United States.

Acts 2:42-47
42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and PARTED THEM TO ALL MEN, AS EVERY MAN HAD NEED. 46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Brethren then took care of EACH OTHER.

This is how he purchased houses, barns, horses, and only God knows what else. The most recent purchase: a $500K house. Was there an announcement? Because there were past announcements of him needing money to expand the campus.

See: 786 Akron Road

See: Medina County Auditor on 786 Akron Road

Did God speak to him and tell him to do that? Wheeling and dealing with brethren’s money, aka God’s money? Is this what a true apostle-prophet of God does? Ask yourself if that’s okay while working hard to pay bills, car loans, purchase groceries, pay for children’s activities, medical bills, etc.

I'd also like to know what happened to AYC's 2020 money? Remember, that was the year it was canceled due to Covid. Where exactly did that money go? The kids and parents who gave did not get a refund when it didn’t happen.

Tithe of Tithes: I recently realized this is to be paid by the ministers, NOT brethren. I kick myself for not simply reading the context, but I listened to a man again. It’s a simple study, but I trusted more in man than I did in God. It really pains my heart that I allowed this to go on for so long. The Levites, which are the priests, had to take a tenth of the tithes ALREADY GIVEN by the Israelites to God’s storehouse. AGAIN, DCP twists verses to fit his agenda.

Numbers 18:26
Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I HAVE GIVEN YOU FROM THEM for your inheritance, then YE SHALL OFFER up an heave offering of it for the Lord, even a TENTH PART OF THE TITHE.

Nehemiah 10:38
And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the LEVITES (MINISTERS) take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.

I’ve witnessed that when you first come into RCG, they prey on you. They use your lack of understanding, your zeal, and vulnerability to bleed you dry with fundraising, tithe of tithes, coin challenges, potlucks, AYC funds, silent auctions, fake common, and the Envoy book. I’m surprised they don’t ask brethren for their inheritances, 401K, stocks, bonds, collections, rare jewelry, lands, and vehicles. Oh wait, never mind.

 

Now back to being "marked" or shunned by brethren when people leave RCG. This is another cherry-picked, twisted verse told to the brethren to further brainwash them. These verses are used for damage control to keep the money flowing in the pockets of DCP and staff.

Romans 16:17-18
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which YE HAVE LEARNED; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but THEIR OWN BELLY; and by GOOD WORKS and FAIR SPEECHES DECEIVE THE HEARTS OF THE SIMPLE.

Another simple study; reading CONTEXT is key. Paul is urging the brethren to watch out for FALSE TEACHERS. He told them to not stray from the gospel he taught. Keep away from those that preach ANYTHING CONTRARY TO THE GOSPEL! They are experts at making lies sound good with their sly, cunning convincing speeches! 

This is David C. Pack! He is not preaching God’s gospel. He is preaching his own doctrines, twisting scripture to fit his agenda, robbing brethren, blaspheming God, lying to everyone, putting himself above Jesus Christ, and brainwashing hundreds. Probably thousands. Since there are innocent people right now reading his free booklets.

Some will say, "you shouldn’t judge God’s apostle." Well, DCP is not an apostle. He’s self-appointed, a liar, a deceiver, and a FALSE PROPHET, but let’s see what scripture says. 

Revelation 2:2-3 
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast TRIED THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE APOSTLES, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for MY NAMES SAKE HAST LABOURED, and hast not fainted.

Jesus Christ COMMENDED the Ephesian brethren for trying and testing those who claim to be apostles! Again, another simple study with the context being key. It is most important to know what kind of man you follow when he promises to lead you into the kingdom of God.

Do you truly know what kind of man you are serving, Mr. Jackson?

I think of Isaiah 59, a REAL prophet who warns those who conceive mischief, lie, and bring forth iniquity. Their feet run to do evil. THE WAY OF PEACE THEY KNOW NOT. They make themselves crooked paths and weave spider webs. But Isaiah promises that those webs will not cover your sins. Yikes! I pray the ministers and brethren WAKE UP! I pray you wake up, too.

 

Chapter 7, titled MORE CHARACTERISTICS, pages 45-51 of the book Is "That Prophet" Alive Today? The Rise of False Prophets. I encourage you to read and ponder EVERY word DCP writes here! READ IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES, and allow the words to SINK IN! May God help the brethren to WAKE UP!

There are additional elements of character and conduct common to false prophets that need to be examined and understood. The first is introduced with one of the Bible’s most tragic examples. King Saul’s love/hate relationship with David is well-known. Most are familiar with this sad but instructive story, where Saul slowly yielded himself to a demon. This account proves that people can start out “little in their own eyes” and yet fall so far from God that they can actually become demon-possessed.

False prophets do often rage, sometimes in great anger, and conduct themselves in a bizarre fashion.

What was really occurring was simply a demon controlling a human vessel! Saul was vexed, and often outright possessed by a demon.

This account should truly sober you! It is a characteristic of false prophets and demoniacs to bellow, rage, belittle and attack other people—sometimes relentlessly—to elevate themselves. Apparently, Saul also had a particularly murderous spirit, which repeatedly tried to kill David, or have him killed. Saul became abusive.

Be careful if what is being described is a pattern visible in your leader. It is not of God.

DCP constantly attacks and blames his staff and brethren for everything while continually elevating himself. It has become more and more obvious as he preaches how "off" he is in speaking. He will say to the effect, "Now brethren, some of you many be offended but I’m speaking candidly with you." Then lambaste everyone. Then speak kindly. Back and forth.

Let’s continue with more of Mr. Pack’s own words.

The Accuser of the Brethren
…Revelation 12:10 calls Satan the “accuser of the brethren.” He attacks, accuses, and slanders God's people "day and night" before God—never letting up. Constant accusation is a common characteristic of those in Satan's grips!

Let's consider. As weak and pitiful as the condition of Laodicea, those of the final era are still God’s people.

No true Philadelphian (or Christian, for that matter) continually attacks, slanders, maligns, and accuses all the "evil Laodiceans"!

But no one with God’s Spirit would ever forbid all contact with them. It should be a great warning to you if your leader continually attacks and accuses the “evil Laodiceans”! 

How does this fit with blasting, lambasting, attacking, slandering and accusing anyone—never mind brethren—through endless name-calling. This will not help awaken God’s people—it will drive them away, and possibly into the lake of fire! 

The Christ of the Bible would never have His servant declare “civil war” between eras by stating, “We are at war with the Laodiceans.” If this is your leader, he is wrong and his actions are absolutely ungodly! But they are consistent with the conduct of a raging false prophet!

DCP is the accuser of brethren! I can’t count how many times he has thundered at brethren and staff and spoken about splinter groups angrily.

Failed Prophecies 
Another characteristic of false prophets is that few or none of their prophecies ever really come to pass.

If a man predicts (in 1995) that the O.J. Simpson trial would “produce a guilty verdict” and that race riots would ensue as a result, and the verdict comes back not guilty—and there are, of course, no race riots—this is a failed prophecy, disproving the prophet’s authority!

Carefully reflect on what God declares in Ezekiel 14: "And if the prophet be deceived when he has spoken a thing, I the lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel."…God reveals that the real source of the false prophet’s delusion is actually HIM—GOD! When a prophet speaks falsely, it is because he has already departed from God, and thus become the recipient of God’s own form of “deception.”

 This passage in Ezekiel reveals that within the understanding that demons are actually the ones inspiring a false prophet, it is God who has sent one or more of these spirits to fulfill His purpose, which can also be to present a test to God’s people regarding whether or not they will follow those He has not sent. If a prophet is sent by God, every one of his prophecies will always be perfectly accurate—no exceptions!

Are these words from DCP sinking in?

Prolific Revelations
A less familiar characteristic of false prophets…is that they are often extremely prolific in claiming new revelations from God. True prophets always speak plain, simple truth, delivered without frills! Typically, false prophets claim that they are getting “more and more insight.” They often work late at night (recall that Saul raged all night), while they produce things that are increasingly bizarre, odd and strange. They also claim…that the new understanding they are receiving is coming “faster than they can record it.” This makes no sense if such understanding or supposed new insight were coming from God. If God wants to send a message, why would He give it faster than the prophet could receive it? As a man yields himself to the demon manipulating him, in fact, he does become consumed with his messages and the need to deliver them.

Remember—God’s Spirit reflects “power, love and a sound mind” (II Tim. 1:7). When what is being said, and/or a person’s actions, are continually unsound, it is not coming from God! “Revelations” often occur late at night because spirits know that the mind of a sleep-deprived person grows weaker and more open to outside influence! I have seen this pattern far too often!

How often has DCP said in sermons that he stays up late into the night with little sleep going over scriptures? And that he is "getting more insight?”

Taking More Titles
No description of false prophets is complete without explaining one final characteristic. These deceivers always seem to find new ways to elevate themselves to greater offices and roles! Declaring oneself to hold the second-highest New Testament office—prophet—is, in itself, a huge self-elevation. But it rarely stops there.

But it is ultimately the responsibility of God’s people to discern the difference between true and false apostles. More false leaders will rise in the future to make this claim.

DCP has elevated himself and claimed so many titles that I can’t keep up. He's the apostle, The Elijah, That Prophet, The Old Testament David, The Messenger, The Watchman, etc. Can you honestly say you agree with all of that?

I know this has been quite long, Mr. Jackson. I hope you took the time to read it. I like you and your family very much. My prayer is that you and the other ministers open your eyes to accept the nature of the man you serve. God is not behind what DCP is teaching.

This is something else DCP said in the past during a sermon.

David C. Pack, December 12, 1998
I want to make a statement about me. Now, if I became deceived, I will never tell you what I'm going to tell you now. I am telling you if I go off into strange ideas, misconduct, rebellion, you name it, don't follow me. I want to tell you that now, because if I start doing that, I'm going to try to get you to follow me! I'm going to come to you and tell you it doesn't apply, it doesn't mean me, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's okay to follow me because ABCD and XY and Z. Do you understand what I'm saying? Listen to me now when I tell you, you don't follow me if I go off into weird ideas, or if I get off into other things that are totally and absolutely unscriptural conduct, because if I do, I'm going to paint it with a different face and try to get you to follow me. Do you understand what I'm saying brethren? Please remember that, because I promise you that if I become deceived, I'll forget it, and I'll want you to forget it. And I hope you'll remember it well enough to quote it right back to me.

Wrapping this up, I FINALLY have taken Mr. Pack's advice. He has repeatedly said, "Brethren, don't believe me. Let the Bible interpret itself. Research it yourself."

God repeatedly says to NOT follow false prophets. I am moving in FEAR of our Creator’s wrath. I am heeding His warning of trembling and fear for my own eternal salvation. 

Mr. Jackson, I am resigning as a member of The Restored Church of God.

Kind regards,

Elizabeth O'Leary-Noble

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Marc Cebrian

See: RCG Exit Letter: Elizabeth O’Leary-Noble