Sunday, June 17, 2018

PCG: "...why is Flurry allowed to prosper and live the high life--buying multi-million dollar jets while people are killing themselves? Why is his pampered and arrogant children/grandchildren getting great jobs/perks at Edmond HQ ..."



From Exit and Support:

Gerald Flurry Will Face Judgment One Day (concerning recent suicide):
June 16, 2018
Just wanted to drop you a short letter to express my outrage and disgust concerning the recent suicide of the young man from the Philippines. [see May 31, 2018 letter above] How tragic that another death has to be announced because of Gerald Flurry's insane doctrines. I am so angry right now. I keep asking WHY?!?!
Gerald Flurry will face Judgment one day because of what he has done. I have to believe in that. You see, many of my ex-PCG friends have turned their backs on God and have become atheists because of what they experienced in "God's church"--and because of what is continuing to happen in the PCG. Their mentality is that there is no God because of (what they perceive as) God's non-intervention in punishing Gerald Flurry for what he has done to people. All I can say to them is wait. God has his own timing. It is not God's fault. He has given us free will.
I also read on your site how the people at HQ are feasting on fine foods and wine at the Night to Be Much Observed while some cannot afford to attend the Feast or Holy Days. Makes me sick!! I know we want to ask why is Flurry allowed to prosper and live the high life--buying multi-million dollar jets while people are killing themselves? Why is his pampered and arrogant children/grandchildren getting great jobs/perks at Edmond HQ while so many PCG members are pressured by sermons into writing checks they do not have the funds to cover? It makes us all so angry I know.

Also, see:

PCG: Gerald Flurry and Elite Grandkids Travel In Luxury While Members Stay In "...nasty fleabag motels."




PCG: Fundraising For God. After All, It Is Always About The Money


17 comments:

James said...

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Anonymous said...

"why is Flurry allowed to prosper and live the high life--buying multi-million dollar jets while people are killing themselves? Why is his pampered and arrogant children/grandchildren getting great jobs/perks at Edmond HQ while so many PCG members are pressured by sermons into writing checks they do not have the funds to cover? It makes us all so angry I know."

Why was Herbert Armstrong allowed to do the same, one might ask?
In WCG, home many people decided to meet the same fate that we don't know of?
Why were we pressured by sermons into writing checks on faith?

These things are very valid, appropriate, and sincere questions - but not by any means new. PCG seems to simply be continuing the exact same things that happened to many of us in our past. We saw it too.

We saw the pampered ministry. We saw the G3 Jet purchased by Armstrong. We all saw the picture of HWA sitting by a famed chef playing with spaghetti. We all saw it, and we all wondered "Why" too. We never saw a divine intervention. It was only after HWA died that it all fell apart. But for the PCG, it just continued on there. And people ask, rightly, why.

Some might say it has to do with "Free will." Others might say it's because "There is no God." Others might say it is because they are storing up for themselves judgement. Others still might say "It's just life, and life just is not fair". And there are many other people with many other answers that they believe. I don't think anyone can judge a right or wrong answer to this question with full conviction.

What I do know is that the PCG is not alone with ministerial and spiritual abuse. This sort of thing happens among all faiths, all denominations, all beliefs, and all sorts of churches. From lavish jets to expensive suits to fear and guilt ministry, this sort of thing happens all the time in various degrees - and in the USA, far more, I think, than anywhere else, because of religious protections. And I think it has a lot to do with freedom of belief, freedom of choice, and the freedom to make decisions, whether good or bad - with all parties involved.

I like to remember this - the only reason why religious charlatans are allowed to prosper and live the high life is that there are people enabling their lifestyle. The rich and the powerful willingly feed the rich and the powerful, and willingly guilt, extort, shame, and threaten the poor to give the little they have to make the rich richer, which causes the emotional, spiritual, and psychological abuse which causes people to go to terrible fates as an escape. This does not answer the REAL "Why" that is asked. Like, "Why isn't this STOPPED". or, "Isn't this criminal?" or, "Shouldn't these groups be shut DOWN, for crying out loud? or the most important question asked: "Why in the world doesn't God just STOP IT FROM HAPPENING ALREADY?"

These things have been happening in religion for many hundreds of years. It's nothing new. But here, in the USA - it seems to be so much easier because of religious protections and the separations of church and state. But it isn't the whole answer. It's just a small piece of a much larger puzzle. But maybe, just maybe I can answer it in one sentence:

Religious charlatans are emotionless, uncaring, selfish, prideful, indifferent, money-hungry, ungodly, callous assholes who seek to destroy and devour for their own benefit, while complying (or appearing to comply) with religious laws to the best of their ability.

Anonymous said...

By now if one still follows Flurry or Pack, they deserve their losses and the in your face behaviors

Anonymous said...

I remember sitting in Sabbath services and being so hungry because I was so poor I didn't have enough money to buy groceries for home. One year the minister told me that I should invite a few people to my home and that I should host night to be much observed. I declined. I am so thankful I'm not in that shit anymore.

Anonymous said...

they have their reward: what they havent understood is that earthy, physical prosperity negates any possibility of a heavenly one...they have traded their heavenly benefits for the temporary carnal minded ones, and they will most certainly regret it once it becomes clear to them...

c f ben yochanan

Allen Dexter said...

I was ruminating on this general subject earlier today. Here's what I put on Facebook:

"After the rain, the floors were a mess and had to be done again. That's thinking time for me, and as is so often the case, I was thinking back over my life.

I could be really bitter about those more than two decades detour into the madness of cultic religion, but when I think it through, it really is the only way I could have come to my senses and started looking at reality in a way so many never aspire to.

I've come to know facts that make the average person's eyes glaze over with incomprehension if I bring them up. It assaults their warped version of reality that is mostly based on total myths and outright lies.

Although I appreciate the peripheral good people of faith make possible, they are only ameliorating in small ways the evil religious systems that were developed to keep the masses in abject slavery to total lies so they'd keep on paying, praying and kissing ass generation after generation, fanatically fighting to keep in power the very tyrants who were enslaving and impoverishing them.

We call the time when that system held total sway the "Dark Ages." The USA was set up to obviate the possibility of such a system holding power over this country. That is now being denounced, sabotaged and outright ignored by forces bent on turning our nation into a world dominating fascist monolith -- the Fourth Reich, in all its stark reality!

I understand what is going on far better than the average person because I was in a mini-version of that malevolent system way back there. I got out, and then I started to really study the facts. It was traumatic in many ways, but I'm where I am today because of it."

Anonymous said...

I remember sitting in Sabbath services and being so hungry because I was so poor I didn't have enough money to buy groceries for home. One year the minister told me that I should invite a few people to my home and that I should host night to be much observed.

I am surprised you were...ahem..."allowed" to decline, actually.

Regardless - for the "minister" to not even take into consideration your financial situation, and just expect you to somehow come up with the money to host a NTBMO (which is usually quite fancy) was callous and cold. Seems par for the course, and absolutely expected. This is the exact thing that always seemed to happen over and over again with the "ministers". Just bark out an order and expect it to happen, regardless of how feasible (or irresponsible) it is. But then again, many of these were 20 something kids with defecation for brains.



Byker Bob said...

Some of the principles and practices of organized crime always crept into Armstrongism. This, in addition to failed prophecy should have set off huge red flags, but instead, those who brought these things to attention were compared to Korah, or were said to have a bad attitude towards “God’s ministers”, which is REALLY strange, because there were no such persons within Armstrongism to begin with. When in doubt, power your way out.

BB

Anonymous said...

I have never attended a NTBMO that was "fancy". Of course being in a part of the southeastern United States that is plagued with high unemployment and the folks I attended the church with were very poor and we didn't get a lot of fine luxuries.

Web Administrator said...

Only in this life will he get away with living like he is. Next stop...

Anonymous said...

There's a sexist joke I heard told recently, but seems more applicable to the Mob of Flurry...

Q. What just ONE thing do these ministers want?

A. EVERYTHING!

And tbh it's still not enough even to 'em! SMH

Anonymous said...

Well Allen, if you don't like how things in this country is being ran, you can always leave and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

Anonymous said...


“You see, many of my ex-PCG friends have turned their backs on God and have become atheists because of what they experienced in "God's church"--and because of what is continuing to happen in the PCG. Their mentality is that there is no God because of (what they perceive as) God's non-intervention in punishing Gerald Flurry for what he has done to people.”


It cannot be emphasized enough that the PCG is a satanic imposter cult led by a false prophet. The PCG's very purpose is to destroy people by doing Satan's own evil to them in the name of God.

Each lying, slandering, local tyrant in the PCG gets to pass off his own satanic abuse as the government of God.

Anonymous said...

I don't mind if religious leaders give themselves some financial perks IF they legitimately my earned it be benefiting their supporters, ie they are true shepherds. But typically this is not the case. They abuse and mistreat their followers in every possible manner. They tear down rather than build up. Members pay through the nose for any small benefit they get. I suspect that some members exploit other members in order to get 'their moneys worth,' and with the tacit approval of the ministry.

The book 'The subtle power of spiritual abuse' does a worthwhile job of exposing the abuse ie they define reality, no reality testing, no complaints, no 'radar'(ie assessing ones environment as commanded in 'beware of wolves..), personal enmeshing, etc.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said..."By now if one still follows Flurry or Pack, they deserve their losses and the in your face behaviors"



Anon @ June 17, 2018 at 2:53 PM,
I disagree. There is brainwashing afoot.
Were you once not at one time in Herbert Armstrong's church?

Anonymous said...

It's comments like, what was said by "June 18, 2018 at 2:00 AM" that sometimes give me pause to worry about the future.

It's sad that detractors to racist comments are slammed, and racism is promoted by POTUS.

Anonymous said...

I often chuckle at some of the double standards some use in their arguments on this site. On one hand (which I usually concur with most), are indictments of all that was or is that makes up the Armstrong movement. Usually easy to understand that.

Where I see the humor are those who spout their own equally outrageous thoughts and beliefs with grandstanding and every way imaginable attitudes that are as crazy as those being targeted ie, WWCOG et all.

Maybe some of us are just prone to following weird ideology and our own version of hyperbole that matches some of the ludicrous beliefs and practices of the COGs.

I’m personally finding that plowing the same ground has some theripudic benefits, but at some point (myself just as guilty), just finding any other field to plow that now “meets” my new criteria, can be almost as cultish if you don’t seek the true balance of what really is true or not and not just my, perhaps distorted, newer viewpoint(s).

Just something I’ve considering at the moment.