The Platitudinous Mantle Role of Bob Thiel, Dibar Apartian, and Rod Meredith

 

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Folks, here is a "mantle dream" B. Thiel posts he dreamt in '08 or '09 about who was/is/might be/might have been "the mantle" rather than who was or is the leader at a given time in the once "righteous", "pure", apple-of-God's-eye, "Philadelphian", LCG (before they became the "now Laodicean" LCG)⏳ :

"But before I get to that, let me relate a dream that probably happened in 2008 or 2009." <--(which is while Dibar Apartian was still alive, not passing away till Dec. 8 2010).

"I was about 50 at the time (which essentially makes me an ‘old man’ per Numbers 8:25; cf. John 8:57). At first the dream made little sense".

"In my dream, there seemed to be two parallel lines. The then presiding evangelist of the Living Church of God (LCG) Roderick Meredith was on the top line and I was on the line much below. In the dream, I kept calling up to Dr. Meredith, but he never would respond." <--(if this dream was in '08 or '09 while Mr. Dibar Apartian was alive till Dec. 2010, then wouldn't God likely have considered maybe showing in that dream a 3rd "parallel line" for Dibar Apartian during the RCM/B. Thiel parallel lines rising/lowering/intersecting scenario...thereby helping B. Thiel (& us) clarify what mantle role Mr. Apartian sort of "secretly" held, despite all the LCG doormat loyalists adhering to Rod Meredith's bloated mantle role which was soon to be humanly decided on being disregarded & discarded i.e. formation of CCOG?). 

"This lack of response made no sense to me during the dream. Then after what seemed to be a long time, the lines crossed with his line dropping and my line going up." <--what line or position might "secret" mantle Dibar Apartian have had somewhere in that dream...did the lines cross onto Dibar somewhere, or ONLY ONTO Bob's "super" line 📏📐.

If Bob can humanly decide when or when not to stay loyal to or to discount Rod Meredith's (or even years prior with Tkach Sr.'s) hierarchical "mantle", then why did or does Bob & the doormat folk place such high regard on adhering to all these hierachical top leaders that eventually become disregarded & dismissed from hierarchy anyway? 

Bob got "the mantle" from a place (LCG) which likely was NEVER the mantle itself. Why didn't Gaylyn Bonjour practice COG separately from LCG before participating in a "mantle transfer" from LCG to CCOG? If Mr. Bonjour were to "forsake assembling together" with the increasingly corrupt LCG, wouldn't he have then been actually suitable to participate in a mantle transfer?

"On October 3, 2008 when Dr. Roderick C. Meredith (Presiding Evangelist of the Living Church of God) called me and said to me, “God may consider you to be a prophet.” Dr . Meredith and I discussed this in depth as Dr. Meredith was the one who brought the topic up."<--who cares what a bumbling Rod Meredith thinks he assumes to know about what God may or may not be considering? 

"The conversation with Dr. Meredith weighed on my mind, so I asked Dibar Apartian (who was the Feast site coordinator) and Dr. Jeff Fall (who was my pastor then, and who also attended there that year) to meet with me before services one morning. I told both of them about the conversation with Dr. Meredith.

Upon hearing this, Dibar Apartian got upset. He told me that Dr. Meredith did not say such a thing and I assured him that he had.<--HEY, who cares what Rod Meredith non-mantle said? 

Why did Bob ever follow Rod M. in the 1st place? Why does Bob expect us to count it as credit that he "trusted" & had "faith in" the curmudgeon bully Rod C. Meredith? When Bob still harps on us to follow his mantle role now, why did Bob get to prove all things regarding J. Tkach Sr. & later, R. Meredith? But if we try to prove all things too such as this Dibar Apartian secret mantle stuff (with RCM still at times supposedly commanding hierarchical church governance allegiance/faith loyalty), suddenly we are an accuser of the brethren, but Bob wasn't?

David C. Pack’s Passover Corruption

David C. Pack’s Passover Corruption

 

Driven by the Spirit of Error, false prophet and false apostle David C. Pack thinks to change times and laws. He teaches doctrines of demons. He continually takes away from the words of prophecy in the Bible. He adds unto the things written therein. A double-minded man unstable in all his ways, he seduces sleepy minds with cunning craftiness as he lies in wait to deceive. Oh, how he covets the treasures of his lying tongue.

 

A wicked corruption has infected The Restored Church of God. The whole head is sick.

 

Pastor General David C. Pack has a corrupted mind driven by a corrupted spirit speaking corrupted words, forming corrupted doctrines for a corrupted organization enabled by corrupted hirelings that feign corrupted agreement before a corrupted people waiting for a corrupted savior to appear with a corrupted kingdom ruled by a corrupted god.

 

David C. Pack brings in damnable heresies using his pernicious ways. He is deceiving and being deceived. By his fruits, you know him very well.

 

During “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 488)” on December 30, 2023, David C. Pack manipulates, distorts, obfuscates, lies, and blasphemes to serve the purpose of proving that Jesus Christ will return at sunset on April 13 [Abib 15], 2025. “That day” is the Day of the Lord, which begins the 7-Year Kingdom of God.

 

That may sound routine for him, but what it took to get there is far from it.

 

The only way he found to make all the Bible verses fit his latest narrative was to nudge the start of Passover just a tiny bit. Only a few hours, really. A change so subtle in the intentionally confusing manner he presented it that some brethren might not even notice. Utilizing the reinforcing tactic of repetition, David C. Pack forces the Scriptures to bend to his will to offer a corrupted Passover his adoring worshippers in The Restored Church of Another god.

 

Jesus Christ Will Take The Passover Symbols On Abib 15.

Not Abib 14.

 

 

The emphatic nature by which the corrupted Passover of Part 488 was taught is surreal to observe. David C. Pack was so convincing in his earnestness that I was compelled to listen to the 30-minute portion again to see if something critical was missed that would reveal a logic to the gaslighting.

 

No matter how you adjust the lens or, which way you angle the prism, or how many asterisk caveats you note in the margin, no matter how thick the layers of background context you insulate between his fraudulent words, there is no way to see what David C. Pack preaches as being true.

 

During Part 488, he teaches that Jesus Christ will return and take the Passover symbols on Abib 15, and for Him to do otherwise would be a terrible, unlawful example.

 

Despite RCG’s literature explaining the Passover symbols are to be taken on the fourteenth, despite the Spring Holy Day schedule on rcg.org listing that Passover is observed after sunset at the very beginning of the fourteenth, David C. Pack shouts and vigorously points out that the Passover and the Second Passover both take place on the fifteenth of the month. The Bible proves David C. Pack is a liar.

Trying to make sense of how David C. Pack’s broken mind works is a disturbing experience and not recommended for anyone. The only way to somewhat grasp the madness possessing David C. Pack during Part 488 is to understand his Primers of Assumption.

David C. Pack hops around these mistaken concepts, blurring which fraudulent assumption he is speaking of at any given moment. He is incomprehensible without noting the confused mess sloshing around between his ears.

Remember, these are his Primers of Assumption. They are not provable truths of the Bible.

·      During Part 487, he taught that Jesus Christ would bring the Kingdom of God on Abib 1, 2025.

·      The First 1-Year Kingdom is now The Acceptable Year and is NOT the Kingdom of God.

·      The Second 7-Year Kingdom is the Kingdom of God.

·      Jesus Christ will take the Passover symbols the very day He returns.

·      The Day of the Lord is Abib 15.

·      The seven Days of Unleavened Bread are interchangeable with the term Passover.

·      The Second Passover is Iyar 15.

After 79 minutes, the brethren of The Restored Church of God were sufficiently exhausted and lulled into a semi-conscious state. David C. Pack was finally ready to begin the real heart of the message.

Part 488 – December 30, 2023

@ 1:19:00 Quietly in the background, I’ve been wrestling with some things. Some things terribly. But, When is the Day of the Lord? Is Abib 1 correct? It’s Abib, but is it Abib 1? For years, I’ve been haunted by three verses.

The first order of business was for David C. Pack to undo Part 487 and move the date of the Kingdom of God from Abib 1 to Abib 15.

@ 1:19:28 So, I wanna WE wanna clear it up, and it's gonna lead to some incredible things in the next message. But, not until I draw a bright red line in the sand what the Bible says actually is the Day of the Lord. It is not Abib 1…but it’s close.

Switching from Abib 1 to Abib 15 has no consequences in The Restored Church of God. But, if anyone took notes during Part 487, this minor adjustment exposed David C. Pack as a lying blasphemer. Again.

Flashback Part 487 – December 23, 2023

@ 1:13:19 I’m just gonna tell you absolutely on God’s authority. I’ll tell ya this much, and I'll tell you, I mean, just I will stand on this on this date: The Kingdom of God comes Abib 1.

He stood on Abib 1 for less than seven days after invoking God’s name. The Bible calls that swearing falsely.

There is an evil spirit compelling David C. Pack’s Passover corruption.

Part 488 – December 30, 2023

@ 1:20:20 “For this is My blood of the New Testament which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” Ready? That’s the symbols. “But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine until THAT DAY when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.” So, Christ is gonna keep the Passover either illegally and unlawfully on Abib 1, or He's gonna do it on Abib 15.

 

Stop.

 

It would be biblically illegal and unlawful to take the Passover on Abib 15 or Abib 1 instead of Abib 14. The brethren were observing Abib 14 before Herbert W. Armstrong was in diapers. The first time.

 

The Bible is clear when Passover is to be observed.

 

Leviticus 23:5-6

In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days you must eat unleavened bread.

 

Numbers 9:5

And they kept the Passover on the fourteenth day of the first month at even in the wilderness of Sinai: according to all that the LORD commanded Moses, so did the children of Israel.

 

Ezra 6:19

And the children of the captivity kept the Passover upon the fourteenth day of the first month.

 

Jesus Christ was never going to take the Passover on Abib 1. This is David C. Pack vehemently dismantling his own teaching from a week ago. He attacks the false premise he created with faux-righteous indignation as a means of psychological manipulation.

 

Without any set-up or explanation, David C. Pack reinterprets his own version of the Scriptures and concludes that Jesus Christ will take the Passover on Abib 15. He needs the Passover to be Abib 15 for his entirely fictional timing construct to work.

 

Maybe that idea was born from the same Spirit of Error that moved the Second Passover last year from Iyar 14 to 15. Or when he temporarily moved The Last Great Day from the fall and tacked it to the back end of the Days of Unleavened Bread. There are elements of Part 488 that should sound eerily familiar. We will see if The Night To Be Much Observedreceives another logic strangulation.

 

@ 1:22:14 We read this on the 14th because Christ had to die. And Christ died almost exactly when the 15th came.

 

Stop.

 

Almost exactly?

 

Jesus Christ died on the cross on the fourteenth of Abib. Joseph of Arimathaea petitioned Pilate for permission to take His body. They took His body down and moved it to a tomb where He was wrapped in a shroud, and the stone was rolled over the entrance before sunset. Did all of that take two minutes? Ten minutes? A half-hour? An hour? Almost exactly when the fifteenth came?

 

David C. Pack is so desperate to associate Abib 15 with the death of Jesus Christ that he bends the timing to make it seem like it fits. He is playing a perverted shell game with words. This will not be the only time he distorts reality and contradicts his own literature.

 

The True Jesus Christ—Unknown To Christianity by David C. Pack (p.163)

Between the ninth and twelfth hours (3:00-6:00 p.m.), Christ died (Luke 23:44-46). With Governor Pilate’s permission, Joseph of Arimathaea procured the body, wrapped it in linen (John 19:40) and placed it in the sepulcher (Luke 23:50-53). By the time the burial was complete, the Sabbath “drew on” (vs. 54). Thus, the burial took place on Passover day, shortly before sunset.

 

Sunset in Jerusalem on Passover 2024 is 7:13 pm. Does 73 minutes accurately describe “almost exactly?”

 

@ 1:22:40 “I will not any more eat thereof,” which has to be the Passover, “until IT,” which has to be the Passover, “till IT be fulfilled in the Kingdom of God.” Now, if you’re under the impression that, you know, you okay, the beginning of the year is Abib 1, that’s what you shoot for.

 

There is no impression. God instructed Moses to begin years on Abib 1.

 

Exodus 12:2

This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.

 

The whole point of this doctrinal abomination of warped heresy is to make the point that the Day of the Lord will arrive on Abib 15. Therefore, the Passover verses must also fit Abib 15.

 

David C. Pack is a liar and not a good one. He is not sly, clever, or adept. His knees must have callouses from all the praying he did beforehand so that the brethren would not notice what he was doing right in front of them. That seems to have paid off. There were no walk-outs at Headquarters.

 

 

@ 1:23:22 But does God add a little bit to make it an Acceptable Year because I’m telling you based on these verses…I am telling you absolutely, inarguably that the Passover Christ is gonna take is either gonna be an illegal Passover in front of all human beings who ever lived, setting a horrific example for the next 1,007 years for all other people who will take it at the right time, or this is talking about Abib 15.

 

David C. Pack obeys unrighteousness. All the Headquarters hirelings in The Restored Church of Another god obey unrighteousness. This is not just error, misunderstanding, or mistakes. This is wickedness and all manner of ungodliness.

 

This is the kind of devilish teachings that RCG indulges in with an unbridled, unaccountable, and unrestrained False Prophet David C. Pack at the helm. Shame on every last enabler in that biblically corrupt organization. A nest of vipers.

 

@ 1:23:54 So, “Can Christ keep the Passover when it’s not the Passover?” is a question that fell from view. It would break the law. He would be keeping a Night To Be Much Observed two weeks early. Can’t do it two days early or two days late.

 

This idea came from the mind of David C. Pack. Not from the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible does it "suggest" that Jesus Christ would keep the Night To Be Much Observed on Abib 1. This straw argument sets up a false premise in a long, worthless list.

 

Up until this point, the most charitable listeners might be able to give David C. Pack some wiggle room because maybe he is accidentally misspeaking or suffering from moments of confusion. Maybe they need to hear it again because that single vital sentence was missed that would make his logic work.

 

But then we receive a clear, direct statement that unabashedly contradicts the Bible.

 

@ 1:24:18 In fact, the 15th is so important that if you miss it, you wait till the 15th of the next month. Not the next available opportunity in your schedule.

 

David C. Pack is a lying blasphemer. This is why exrcg.org exists. Otherwise, nobody outside the locked gates of that spiritually corrupted organization would know about this corrupted Passover. Thank God these messages “leak” out.

 

If someone is unable to keep the Passover in the first month, God gave Moses instructions on how they can keep a Second Passover in the second month. Should we obey a man, or should we obey God?

 

Numbers 9:10-11

Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the Passover unto the LORD. The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.

 

The Passover symbols are commanded to be taken on Abib 14, not Abib 15, despite how many times David C. Pack repeats it. No matter how often he threatens Jesus Christ with committing sin, He will never take the Passover on Abib 15.

 

David C. Pack is a broken-minded human being. His whole head is sick. The brethren who sit quietly and tolerate this blaspheming heresy must be using all their might to suppress the awful gnawing in their guts because they know this is wrong. It is not just incorrect but evil.

 

David C. Pack teaches evil.

@ 1:24:30 God drives home in two different ways the Passover must be taken at the 15th. Now, as I said, never mind the horrible example it would set beside being unlawful. How can all people hear for one thousand-plus years that Christ kept the Passover on the wrong date? Impossible.

 

If Jesus Christ kept it on the fifteenth, that would be the wrong date. Members of RCG keep it on the fourteenth. Their literature says to keep it on the fourteenth. The Bible says to keep it on the fourteenth. Why is David C. Pack teaching this? How can he teach this?

 

Why are brethren not leaping from their chairs and fleeing? Shame on those who stay. Shame on you.

 

 

@ 1:27:24 “So, when I come,” they will take the symbols with Christ again. And that’s sorta suggests in 1 Corinthians 11:26 that the symbols will come very close to the 14^th.

 

Then, the brethren of The Restored Church of God will be “very close” to keeping the Passover correctly.

 

How ironic that for Passover Services in The Restored Church of God, the doors in every congregation are locked shut at the moment of sunset so that brethren who are “very close” to being on time are kept out. They are forbidden from taking the symbols and must wait one month.

 

When David C. Pack needs words to be precise, he will sell them as precise. When David C. Pack needs words to be approximate, he will bulldoze through them as being around-ish. A true con man has to keep his rules loose so he can be nimble and pivot on a dime when necessary. David C. Pack is a religious grifter working his angles to sell his wares.

 

@ 1:29:38 God comes with all the saints. So, Christ is revealing Himself in His Day at the split second at (as the Lamb of God) the split second that Israel would always slay the lamb. Passover explains dusk now. A highly specific moment, and it can't bend.

 

Part 488 contains lots of bending.

 

“…sorta suggests…”

“…the symbols will come very close to the 14th.”

“…does God add a little bit…”

“…if you’re under the impression…”

“…Christ died almost exactly…”

 

Part of the confused bending of Part 488 is how David C. Pack shifts from referencing the Passover observance and symbols to Passover day when Jesus Christ died and the Days of Unleavened Bread being called Passover. He seamlessly moves from one to the other and you cannot catch it without paying careful attention.

 

@ 1:25:46 Passover is naturally the feast of wine on the lees. It's not one day. It's seven days.

 

@ 1:31:48 So, you’re gonna start to warn if it were Abib 15. The first day of Passover.

 

And this is how David C. Pack gives himself a Passover gray area, so you cannot tell when he means the night of observance or the Days of Unleavened Bread.

 

Ezekiel 45:21

In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, you shall have the Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

 

David C. Pack blurs the lines between the Passover symbols and the Days of Unleavened Bread.

 

@ 1:37:34 Passover is a Sunday. A start of a week in 2025. April 13^th. That’s what it would be. It’s a Sunday. Therefore, every year till earth is gone would start with a Passover for seven days.

 

David C. Pack lies again. Passover in 2025 is Saturday, April 12. So says rcg.org.

@ 1:38:30 It’s perfect. It’s perfect. For seven days to end the Millennium if every year all the way till earth is gone began with the seven-day Feast of the Passover (Unleavened Bread) that’s where they’d [saints] be for seven days.

 

He talked about the Days of Unleavened Bread but kept calling it Passover to keep the confusion meter fully tilted into the red.

 

 

Naturally, nobody can whisper the word Passover within one hundred feet of Headquarters without Dave pointing out how special he is.

 

@ 1:41:51 The Jews set a place for Elijah on Passover.

 

@ 1:42:03 I thought to myself, “What am I missing? My last name is Passover. My name isn’t David Abib 1.” And I’m trying to figure out why would God give me the name Passover if it’s Abib 1. Well, it isn’t Abib 1.

 

His name is not Passover. A well-meaning Worldwide Church of God old-timer thought he could inspire a naïve young man to help build his excitement for Armstrongism and went to his grave, never grasping the damage he did to that arrogant kid’s mental state.

 

Why is David C. Pack corrupting Passover? To make his latest Kingdom structure and dates work.

 

@ 1:47:23 Well, it fits perfectly if it’s Abib 15 and it’s Passover. It doesn’t fit a New Moon. Doesn’t fit Abib 1. It fits Abib 15. Kingdom of God would come on April 13^th [2025].”

 

@ 1:48:59 I’ma tell ya this list is ironclad. There’s no shifting it anymore. Or Christ’s first great act is to break the law of God and blaspheme the Passover.

 

@ 1:49:22 I don’t care if we waited ten more years or I died in the faith, I’ll never move off of that day. I'm no longer haunted, and I feel good that I've been able to tell all of the brethren, "We are waiting for Abib 15 next year for the Second Kingdom."

 

@ 1:50:28 So, I’m just gonna say again, you cannot sit there and argue that 1,007 years till earth is gone will all begin on Abib 15. That’s impossible to argue. Or we serve an unlawful, disobedient Savior, and God will let Him get away with it.

 

David C. Pack is a bald-faced liar. It is not just what he does but who he is. The Restored Church of Another god teaches a counterfeit Jesus Christ taking a counterfeit Passover. This teaching is sinister and defies all logic when the Bible quickly proves it to be false.

 

The Passover is observed on Abib 14, not Abib 15. The Second Passover is Iyar 14, not Iyar 15.

 

David C. Pack’s Passover corruption is not just some human aspect of his terrible reading comprehension skills. He is a false teacher blatantly breaking the Scriptures by vomiting outrageous heresy in a peacefully quiet room filled with human idol-worshippers who accept the words of a man over the words of God.

 

David C. Pack has given heed to seducing spirits, and his end shall be according to his works.

Marc Cebrian

See: David C. Pack's Passover Corruption

Dave Pack's Pristine Record Of Perfect Failures

 

Perfect Failure

 

The Winter Solstice slowly creeps upon the doorstep of David C. Pack. The Pastor General of The Restored Church of God had been preaching for weeks that the Kingdom of God would arrive during sunrise in Jerusalem on Tevet 10 of the Hebrew Calendar.

 

Sunrise in Jerusalem on Tevet 10 is at 11:35 PM ET on December 21, 2023. Yes, that is tonight.

 

By the time warm sunshine glistens again upon the roof of David C. Pack’s brethren-funded ceiled home on the Headquarters Campus in Wadsworth, Ohio, nature and science will once again prove David C. Pack is a perfect failure. His Tevet 10 failure is only the latest on a long list of failures dating back to August 2013 when the Kingdom of God did not arrive on Elul 24. The one lesson the hireling enablers at The Restored Church of God learned after that was not to declare anything publicly. Dooh!

 

David C. Pack has a pristine record for perfect failure at everything his grubby little false prophet paws cling to. Whether it is a pagan holiday or Hebrew Holy Day, if you want someone to fail perfectly at it, just ask David C. Pack for the job. He will study the matter until the wee hours of the night and still get it wrong.

 

 

As with most “knowledge” spewed upon the brethren of The Restored Church of God, David C. Pack began to slowly soft-moonwalk his Tevet 10 convictions in meeker language than when he trumpeted it pounding on the table.

 

Starting in “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 484)” on December 9, 2023, the cracks in the ice for Tevet 10 began to appear.

 

Part 484 – December 9, 2023

@ 00:11 But we're right on time. Nothing's gonna change with timing from what you already know a week ago.

 

Wow, that sounds pretty certain. But then, twenty minutes later…

 

@ 21:11 Now, that means we may or may not know the date. We may or may not know the date. I’ve gone back and forth on this so much that I hafta [chuckles] hafta avoid getting saddle sores. I mean, it’s just it’s you we they [the disciples] couldn’t. We can. They couldn’t. We can’t. Certainly, nobody has known.

 

Dave keeps cutting out the “no man knows the day and hour” verses and gluing them back in. The man is unstable as water, tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine that sails through his head. He further compounds his excuse without admitting what he is doing.

 

@ 21:48 Now, nothing has changed from the date a week ago. I’m not gonna change that. BUT, I wanna tell you some things that I kinda ran into. Starts with pretty much one thing, and I’m glad I did because it caused me to dig back in one more time to start to explore. Are we absolutely sure of Tevet 10?

 

Dave presents the same type of flowery story a 15-year-old would make standing in the kitchen with their head down after taking dad's car out for a joyride without permission and getting into an accident. Dave now miraculously sees the bright side of the situation and is glad it happened. Really?

 

The wishy-washy, always-guessing prophetic precisionish nature of The Restored Church of God must be maddening to those still there paying attention. However few of them there are.

 

 

After stating they “may not know” the date, Dave sucker punches the Jewish people to prove Tevet 10 could be the day. Did you know they have lied for thousands of years about the Feast of Trumpets being Rosh Hashanah?

 

Dave cracked the code of Ezekiel 40:1, and the world opened up.

Part 484 – December 9, 2023

@ 37:06 The Jews took this term (the only place it's in the Bible), and they knew it meant the first of the year. The first. And they and in a corrupt way (but at least with their correct understanding), they took it from a place they knew it didn't fit (or couldn't figure out how it fit), moved it about a hundred days to the start of Tishrei and said that Trumpets is Rosh Hashanah. It was a lie.

 

@ 38:01 Every Jew who's ever lived who said they're keeping Rosh Hashanah on Trumpets (doesn't know it) they are unwittingly participating in a lie. That’s just a fact.

 

In case you missed it, according to David C. Pack, Rosh Hashanah is NOT the Feast of Trumpets. It is Tevet 10.

 

@ 39:00 I know there iddn’t much time left, but don’t ever refer to Trumpets as Rosh Hashanah again. It’s a lie. It’s an absolute lie.

 

@ 39:18 …there is a start of a year that it is tied by God to the 10^th day of the 10^th month, which is in the dead of winter, and to the measuring of the Temple, which is what follows. Now, is that all an accident?

 

@ 39:45 The 10^th of Tevet would only line up with December 21^st every 19 years… Once every 19 years, it would line up. But, it’s a much, much greater odds than that that we could hit it right because it has to line up with the Winter Solstice on a Friday.

 

@ 40:29 So, we have to be very, very careful and treat this like the scriptural fine gold of Ophir. Is are do we have this right?

 

No. David C. Pack is a perfect failure. He did not have Tevet 10 right.

 

@ 1:04:49 Technically, all you really need on that subject is Rosh Hashanah, and its only place in the Bible. So, we’re getting ready to teach the world for the first time in a long, long time when the real Rosh Hashanah is. It appears to be the 10^th day of the 10^th month [Tevet 10].

 

Do not count on that making it to the public literature anytime soon. Dave may need to slowly moonwalk this Rosh Hashanah business while he sips his morning coffee tomorrow.

 

 

It only took three more days for Dave to throw serious water on the Tevet 10 fire.

 

Part 485 – December 12, 2023

@ 1:13:56 Have some ideas when this will be. But I’m not sure we’re gonna know the day. Lemme just tell ya that. I can just tell ya, do not go by Tevet 10. It could be Tevet 10, but Tevet 10 is cited at the end of the year. And if Tevet 10 is the end of the year, is God gonna do the next 1,007 years starting every month on the tenth of a month? Does anybody think that?

 

@ 1:14:36 …are we are we are we right in the wrong way? Maybe. Maybe.

 

And another four days to squeeze this out.

 

Part 486 – December 16, 2023

@ 06:52 But there are other great things we don’t know. Two out of four of them we’re going to learn tonight. One more (I hope) midweek and one more next Sabbath. So, “Uh oh. Mr. Pack thinks we’ve got that long.” Well, yes, I do. So, I guess if that’s a clue, then I let it out.

 

The “clue” is that he was already planning to speak on December 23. Tevet 10 ends on December 22. At least, we know nobody at Headquarters was going to hold their breath until Friday morning.

 

David C. Pack was too much of a coward to admit just how wrong he had been. His ego cannot allow himself to see what a perfect failure he has become. He knew nothing would happen on Tevet 10 and was not man enough to just say so. Instead, he dropped hints and left clues for the brethren to ponder.

 

 

Alas, the idea of Tevet 10 started with such hope and zeal.

 

Part 482 – November 30, 2023

@ 1:42:45 Three weeks from today. Tevet 10 has to be in the Kingdom. There is no possible way there’s no possible way that the Kingdom can come after Tevet 10.

 

Part 483 – December 2, 2023

@ 53:27 …slow and easy. We’re gonna see if we can prove in absolute terms that we are waiting for the 10^thday of the 10^th month [Tevet 10].

 

@ 1:09:58 …so it’s the 10^th day of Tevet to be “the selfsame day.” It has to be Tevet 10. It has to be Tevet 10, or Jeremiah lied. Or he's a false prophet.

 

@ 1:35:11 If I’m gonna be faithful to God’s word, I have to be able to say I’m wrong.

 

A lot was riding on tonight. But instead of thunderous certainty, the brethren were left stale breadcrumbs to figure out for themselves whether tonight was a “go” or not.

 

These victory laps proved to be embarrassingly premature.

 

Part 482 – November 30, 2023

@ 01:09 After eight years, there it was. The problem becomes when the final correct picture emerges…the whole Bible lines up around it [chuckles]..because everything lines up and lined up suddenly in a way I never expected.

 

Part 483 – December 2, 2023

@  1:11:39 I never could get it right, but I was right that we would someday…we would.

 

No. David C. Pack will never get it right because he only knows how to create perfect failure.

 

 

Covetous Third Tithe Thief David C. Pack is a hypocritical, blaspheming liar who promotes antichrist theology. He is a false teacher, false apostle, and false prophet. Tevet 10 is only his most recent perfect failure and will not be his last.

 

One other failure on the horizon is The Restored Church of God as an organization. Their financial peril is hush-hush internally but visible to those watching. The announcement that all field ministers have been removed from receiving compensation is the newest indicator of their desperation.

 

They will hold off on selling homes along Hartman Road for as long as possible. It would be interesting to see what happens when they try to sell one for too much too late. They might unwittingly make things worse. Let God’s will be done in this matter.

 

The blame for all the financial distress The Restored Church of God currently faces rests solely on the shoulders of a self-proclaimed "businessman" who thinks he knows better than everyone else. David C. Pack is the author of his own destruction. His perfect failures stretch far and wide.

 

He chose to refinance the buildings over and over and to invest that equity back into the Campus rather than grow the church. The Headquarters Campus does not generate revenue. It siphons it. Trees, gardens, and lakes do not recruit new Common payers. Yet, David C. Pack decided to spend the hard-earned money of faithful brethren on Campus "improvements" like acquiring the $500k property on Akron Road because he despised how the previous owners maintained their lawn.

 

He chose to end the World to Come program in 2017 because he was “too busy” unsealing Daniel ad nauseam and ending the perpetual Mystery of God. Now, David C. Pack has grown too accustomed to sitting in a comfy chair blathering for hours. He never has to do any real work in the organization. He lets Brad Schleifer handle that.

 

David C. Pack is a lazy man. He is a professional student surviving off a grant who never has to produce results in order to get paid. His meandering thesis is being ever-written and will never be completed.

 

That is the scam of The Restored Church of God.

 

He chose to stop promoting the literature because he knows it is woefully out-of-date and refuses to take the time to keep it current. His prophetic understanding changes week by week, and putting that in print is a fool's errand. But they could at least try. I mean, does Edward Winkfield really have anything else better to do? What other departments can he help sink over there?

 

Even if RCG gets new people in the door, there is the sticker shock of the doctrinal bait-and-switch when earnest people trying to figure out where God is working realize “what Mr. Pack teaches” when you sit down behind closed doors is wildly different than what is in the books, booklets, and videos.

 

In the real world, that is called fraud. In The Restored Church of God, that is called the revealing of knowledge to God's only living apostle. But I call that another element in David C. Pack's perfect failure.

 

 

*Dartboard concept art courtesy of Frank Kelley.

Marc Cebrian

See: Perfect Failure

How Dare ANYONE Criticize The Publication Of Bob Thiel's Book Into Over "1,000" Languages! HOW DARE YOU!

You know you are doing something right when even Greta agrees with you!

The Great Bwana to Africa and 100 Caucasians, the Chief Overlooker of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God, the greatest Church of God leader in the history of Christianity, the only doubly-blessed, self-appointed, non-ordained Church of God leader in modern history, the world-famous self-trained theologian, the worlds foremost authority on the Mayans, a proud supporter of Pakistani translation scams, an avid user of Artificial Intelligence, and the final witness to the Catholic Church has a new article up that bemoaning the fact that he gets criticized for publishing his poorly researched and outright heretical booklet on the so-called Kingdom of God that he believes the entire world needs to read.

Still stinging from the recent exposé on how he is using a fraudulent translation company run by a Pakistani man instead of a so-called Linda Jane who can't write proper sentences in English, the Great Bwana wants us to believe that all of his reported translations are accurate or nearly accurate.

He writes how disappointed he is that people DARE to criticize him:

We now have had that booklet translated into over 1,000 languages!

Based on what we have been told we expect to continue to receive about two dozen more languages/dialects per week for the next few months, and likely more thereafter.

Consider that along with the following:

2 Paul and Barnabas … 3 … passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, describing the conversion of the Gentiles; and they caused great joy to all the brethren. (Acts 15:2-3)

Yes, the fact that we are able to reach more Gentiles (and Israelites), because we have information on the gospel of the kingdom of God in more languages should cause great joy to all the Philadelphian brethren. 

 

However, there are critics who are not pleased with this. 

I hate to break it to the Great Bwana, but he is NO Paul or Barnabas, nor does he have a message that brings "great joy" to his followers. 

For those who thought the Great Bwana was wasting funds, he says you're denying Christ's commission to reach the world or you are just a bitter, sour, unhappy, joyless, jealous person who resents others being reached by his so-called ministry". Wut?????

The reality is that we are not wasting funds with this. Only those who do not want to accept the Jesus’ commissions to reach the world (Matthew 24:14, 28:19-20) or are not joyful that others can be reached (cf. Acts 15:3; Romans 11:25) would want to come to that conclusion.

Stung by the fact he is using a scam translation company with a fake woman named Linda James, he ASSURES us that they have told him they do NOT use artificial intelligence to translate his poorly researched theologically bankrupt booklet. Linda James says so!

Even if the translators do use Artificial Intelligence (which the translation manager has denied), we have not been financially scammed. We have used the same translation entity off and on for many years, and we do not pay for the translations until after they are received and in a format that makes our uploading of them easiest. They have always charged what we agreed to and we have always paid them for what they delivered.

The Great Bwana has been forced to admit that not all of the translations are accurate, but they are pretty close and he is ok with that.

Now, what about the quality of the translations? 

 

Because most of the translations we are receiving have not been translated by people who have a Church of God background, there are misunderstandings on certain points. 

 

Yet, they are still readable. Years back, I asked a Ukrainian man who received some of our literature in the Russian language if the translation (from the same source we are still using) was good, and he said that it was.

A couple of years later, while there were differences between how a Chinese CCOG member and a translator thought a few words should have been translated, the translation itself was still fine. 

 

I also had someone in India verify that one of the languages from there that we had was understandable. 

 

A year or so ago, a man I knew who was once part of the Worldwide, Global, and Living COGs (and is now not with any of them nor with the CCOG, but with a smaller COG group) went over our Armenian translation. He basically edited a few words because the literal translation from English into Armenian did not have quite the meaning as English-speakers understood. So, some edits were made. But, even without the edits, the basic concepts of the coming Kingdom of God were conveyed. 

 

So, yes, I have made several attempts to validate the translations (though there have been issues in a couple, like Serbian, that we had completely redone by someone we knew). 

 

That said, even among native speakers in CCOG, there are differences of opinions about how certain works in the Spanish language, for example, should be translated. 

 

So, “perfect” translations are very subjective and may not even be possible in many (or even all) cases.

Apparently, his god magically changes the words to his perceived truth as people read his books, if not then it is obvious the Great Bwana really doesn't care. In the Great Bwana's eyes, the people who read his books are exactly those in scripture:

9 “Whom will he teach knowledge? And whom will he make to understand the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just drawn from the breasts? 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little.” 

 

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, 12 To whom He said, “This is the rest with which You may cause the weary to rest,” And, “This is the refreshing”; Yet they would not hear. (Isaiah 28:9-12) 

 

Notice that even having some language difficulties seems to have been prophesied. And, I have been saying that about our translations for many years.

The HUGE glaring difference between what the scripture talks about and what Bob THINKS it is about are worlds apart.  That rest to come is what Christians understand is the rest in Christ, the rest in the New Covenant, something you never hear Bob speak about, so it is quite obvious why people can't hear.

The Great Bwana Bob Mzungu then brings in Isaiah through a quote in the New Testament to bolster his cause (which neither do):

We are to reach people in multiple languages as a witness before the end comes (Matthew 24:14), despite the fact that most will not respond in this age. And we know that there may be difficulties caused by translations. 

 

Now, please notice the version of Isaiah’s language statements in the New Testament:

21 In the law it is written: 

 

“With men of other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people; And yet, for all that, they will not hear Me,” says the Lord. (1 Corinthians 14:21) 

 

So the New Testament is clearly also prophesying that other languages would be used–and we in the Continuing Church of God have been doing so in more languages than any other COG has ever done.

Literally, Bob is not doing this kind of speaking nor does he have any men capable of doing it. 

Those that mock the Great Bwana's mission are nothing more than Satanic-inspired troublemakers:

We in the Continuing Church of God have been preparing for that as that is part of the short-work of Romans 9:28. 

 

Jesus gave the following commission:

19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. (Matthew 28:19-20) 

 

This involves working to reach people in multiple languages. Jesus’ statements in Matthew 24:14 and Matthew 28:19-20 are the major commissions of the faithful church. The “phil,” as in Philadelphian Christians, means fraternal love/affection, which in the biblical context includes supporting the proclamation of the gospel of the kingdom of God to all that we can. 

 

Satan does not want people reached in other languages.

Satan is always that big meanie out to stop self-appointed Church of God leaders from getting their messages out. 

Trying to cast doubt on God, His word, His ministry, His people, and His faithful church is something that Satan and his associates do. That is one of the reason that Satan is referred to in the Bible as “the accuser of the brethren” (Revelation 12:10). 

 

Sadly, many throughout church history have succumbed to his ways.

Actually, many more false prophets, false teachers, and false apostles have done this throughout church history, including what is happening through the improperly named "continuing" Church of God in this day and age.

The Great Bwana thinks so highly of his own message that it also has the potential to reach the lost sheep who are wandering aimlessly about because they do not have a REAL shepherd. 

This may also help us find the lost sheep, or more accurately, make it easier for the sheep to see the fact that we are witnessing to them and perhaps that the Father is also now looking for them (cf. John 4:23-24), in order to call them (John 6:44; Jude 1).

I can state for a fact that God currently looking for any lost sheep to add to the Great Bwana's church roster. The truth is, those people are not lost, the Shepherd has never abandoned them and knows exactly who they are and works with each of them to bring peace and rest to their lives. So why in the hell would Bob's deity bring them to him? 

After a whole lot of excuses, he drags Herbert Armstrong to reinforce his convoluted thinking:

Thus, the Bible is quite clear that the open door is the door to proclaim the Gospel. And I believe that God has opened up the door to develop literature in over 1000 languages to us, so we are also going through “the door of faith to the Gentiles.” 

 

Herbert W. Armstrong understood that the door was opened to proclaim the gospel:

Also a door was to be opened for this leader and/or the Philadelphia era of the Church to fulfill Matthew 24:14: ‘And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached to all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come’ (Mystery of the Ages, pp. 290-291).

HWA had the charisma and the wherewithal to keep people engaged. Bwana Bob does not and in fact repels people. 

He even manages to bring in Herman Hoeh to back his actions up with:

Perhaps it should be pointed out that the old Radio Church of God taught that, “Blindness is happened to Israel, not forever, but until the full number of Gentiles who are to be converted in this age comes into the Kingdom. (Hoeh H. The Coming UTOPIA… Wonderful World of Tomorrow. Plain Truth, March 1957, p. 6.

Hoeh would be shocked and appalled that Bwana Bob is claiming his comments are a foretaste of what would be happening in these perilous end times with and apply to him.

The end is rapidly approaching and "some church" needs to be fulfilling the commission. No guesses as to who that is:

Having materials in multiple languages are needed for the full number of Gentiles can be converted in this age! 

 

Yes, this age. 

 

We are closer to the end of this age and some church needs to be working on having numerous languages–and we in the CCOG are.

Only those truly converted true Christians in the one true church understand this unlike the bitter Laodiceans who mock him by throwing fiery darts at him.

Yes, those properly dedicated to God’s work will support the preparation for the gospel to reach others, as well as to not be turned aside by those who spew forth “the fiery darts of the wicked one.”

Never in the history of Christianity has there been a church like the improperly named "continuing:" Church of God:

Never before in the history of the Church of God has any group made so many languages/dialects of the good news of the coming kingdom of God available in anything close to the 1000+ languages we have and plan to increase.

The Great Bwana has a word to say about those who mock him and even this letter he has written to his 100 Caucasians:

If you want God’s kingdom to come–which is something that Jesus said you should pray for (Matthew 6:10)–you would want to support the most cost-effective ways to reach as many as possible in the world as a witness. 

 

Satan and other critics do not want you to do so. They want you to turn aside, or at least delay, your support. 

 

Remember Jesus warned Philadelphian Christians to let “no one … take your crown” (Revelation 3:11)–and that include critics. 

 

Now, by posting about this, yes, I expect insults from critics who do not share the focus, vision, or the biblical priorities of the CCOG.

Well, no shit Sherlock! Those who are Christian know for a fact that you are NOT a true minister of God nor is your church a true church of God. That is an indisputable fact! Even those not part of any religious movement know for a fact that you are not a representative of the Christian God.

The Great Bwana ends with letting know that he "could be easily deceived" but not likely, but possible since all true leaders can be deceived:

And while I am not perfect, and can be deceived–which can happen to God’s leaders (e.g. Genesis 27, Joshua 9, 1 John 2)–we in the CCOG have the broadest radio presence of any COG I am aware of, have been the fastest growing x-WCG group in the 21st century, have restored the most truth in this century, have the signs that the Apostle Peter said the end time faithful would have in Acts 2:17-18, and have made available the good news of the kingdom of God in more languages than has ever been done since the start of the Christian church in Acts 2.

While all of those statements are true, there should be no denying that the last item is an absolute and indisputable fact. 

 

Yet, the following apply to many critics who are not interested in checking out the facts:

16 The lazy man is wiser in his own eyes

Than seven men who can answer sensibly. (Proverbs 26:16)

Frankly, the only indisputable FACT here is that Bob's booklet on the kingdom is not spiritually enriching nor truthful to anyone, especially to those easily deceived. 

I wonder when Bob will ever write a book about Jesus, grace, justification, and sanctification and what that means? That might be worth translating, unlike the worthless the junk he writes now.