Ron Weinland: "...strive to wear sackcloth always. It is truly vogue for the children of God to do so." Oh, This Might Be The Last Post I Write!

Ron Weinland has written another missive from his prison cell.  In this one starts off by wondering if this is the last message he will ever write before his creature he calls christ returns.

The first initial thought to be built upon is that I wonder if this might be the last post I write in this age. The point being is that I really don’t know, but I move forward following God wherever and through whatever He leads me.

I can guarantee Ron what this will NOT be your last post and they we will be subjected to another 3 1/2 years of this malarkey from you.

Ron then goes on to indirectly describe his mother and sister leaving him behind in the dust:

There is no thought of “going back to Egypt,” or going off in some other direction than the one I believe God is leading us in. Over this past week, there are a handful of people who have decided they can no longer follow in the same direction. Although I obviously believe they have made a horrible choice, I have absolutely no ill will toward them nor look down upon them in any way. Each person alone is accountable before God for the choices he or she makes. I can only answer for my own self and my choices. Let me put this into a bit of a current perspective.

His members are finally questioning and doubting the hot air that comes out of him and he is not happy.  How dare they think differently than him!

Over the past couple of weeks, there are a couple of statements that have been made by others that have been passed along to me. One statement that has been made by more than one person revolves around their stated concern that things I have written and spoken about have not come to pass, which has led to the conclusion, or doubt, of whether I am a prophet or even the one through whom Jesus Christ is leading His Body   the Church of God.

Armstrongism has always taught that when the "trumpets" sound in the end time it will usher in visible signs that will bring people to their knees.  Death and destruction reign down with each trumpet.  The problem with Weinalnd's trumpets is that he has labelled them all "spiritual" since nothing was ever manifested on the earth when he claims they sounded.

As it has been stated in varying ways at various times, I cannot give to them what is in my mind   in my spirit. I can, and do, only act upon what I believe God gives to me. So what is it that has not come to pass? Perhaps such people are primarily speaking of the fact that there has not yet been a physical manifestation of the blowing of the Second, Third, and Fourth Trumpet. Perhaps such people feel that the Fifth Thunder should be far more manifest in it fulfillment at this time.

Ron has been held accountable for one of his comments he made several years ago. He said that if his prophecies failed then he would declare himself a false prophet.  2008 came and went and Ron has done nothing of he sort.  Well, except for making excuses.

Before I explain some of that personal experience, there is one more statement that has been brought to my attention and needs to accompany all of this. Paraphrasing a statement made by someone I’ve known for many years, a question was asked about why I hadn’t yet declared that I was not a prophet when I had clearly stated I would if the prophecies did not come to pass. This individual may believe, or wonder if, we are not well past the time that all prophesies should have been fulfilled and I should have therefore made such a conciliatory and surrendering statement. However, there is a great problem with that ever happening and that will likely be to the disgruntlement and anger of some. The reason for this not happening will be mentioned as we continue through this post, and it should be noted that I have not been living my life by being concerned about the approval of others, but of God.

To quickly shed light upon the statement I made at that time, one would need to know what I was addressing in my own life at that moment. As a matter of truth in spirit and openness to the Church and to God, I stated what was at the heart and core of my attitude (my spirit) and belief which was that if things did not come to pass as stated about prophetic events and if that is what God revealed (that I was not His prophet), then I would acknowledge it. More than that, I would seek repentance and throw myself down before the Mercy Seat of God, for I would desire to quickly change and do exactly what God revealed I should to make things right for complete reconciliation because I know (believe) I serve a very merciful and loving God. 

It was not long after I had expressed such sentiment and conviction to the Church about what I would do in such an instance that God revealed to me that I was more than a prophet; I was an apostle, which was evidenced by the fruit of the remnant Church which was scattered around the world and evidenced by the truth (truth which was not prophetic in nature) He had established in the Church through me, which can only be done through an apostle. Some short time after that experience, God strengthened me further in powerful confidence and faith that I was indeed His prophet as well as His apostle. I live by what I believe. That is what God has molded in me, and I can live by no other way.

 Ron finally admits on where all of his grandiose titles and visions come from...his own mind. its all been a figment of his own imagination!

Personal Experience:
Having said what has been stated thus far about my own convictions that are a matter of my spirit that is begotten and growing in maturity in the spirit of God, I will share a small portion of that which has molded me and made me who I am today. Again, it is so very pronounced in my mind what I stated earlier, “that I cannot give to others what is in my spirit.” For I believe what has been molded, fashioned, and transformed in my spirit is by the working of God and His Son Jesus Christ. So as a matter of my own personal conviction, I must follow where I believe God leads me.

The experiences that are personal to me in my relationship and conviction toward God are far too numerous to mention in a post, but there are certain high points that stand out for me....

This is exactly the same thinking that Bob Thiel has used to justify and set himself up as a prophet and church leader.  It's all a figment of his own imagination!  No one ordained him.  No one set him apart and called him a prophet or an apostle.  Most important of all is that no one ordained him.

Ron continues by letting hsi members know that all of them are too dumb to have visions and prophecies given to them so they can bring to the church.  Only he can do that.

As I go through these personal experiences, it needs to be understood that most of these are a matter of God working with me in order to fulfill in me at that time or at a later time the role of His end-time prophet and apostle. Sometimes there are people who believe God is revealing something new, different, or special to them other than what is given first to His Church   the leadership of His Church. That is not true. That would only cause division and confusion (opposition) in unity of the truth that He gives to His Church in only one way. Such would be fully contrary to God’s spirit of unity, harmony, and order in His Church. There is a great difference in how God reveals (communicates) truth to the mind of those whom He calls and who become members in the Body of Christ   the Church   and in how God works to reveal truth to prophets and apostles.

 ron then goe sonto blabber a lot of nonsens top get tpot hsi point.  After his triple by-pass heart suregery in 2005 his god spoke to him and told him this:

Following the experience of God revealing so many truths related to the apostasy and having had the experience of God blessing me to do that which would have been the farthest from my mind to ever even consider, let alone my aversion at the time to writing, I wrote a book. Then, after a triple bypass in August of 2005, God brought me to one of the most powerful experiences yet of His communicating His word to me in my begotten and transforming spirit. In preparation for the Feast of Tabernacles, God was revealing truth from a large portion of scripture about how He alone has eternally existed and that Jesus Christ had not eternally existed. Although the Church went through more than half a century of having truth restored to it through God’s apostle at that time, Herbert W. Armstrong, the church believed through the era of Philadelphia that Christ had eternally existed.

Apparently HWA was too dumb to understand this so Ron's god had to tell Ron this.

Only God can communicate spiritual knowledge and understanding as He does through His Son Jesus Christ. It cannot   CAN NEVER   be received by human intellect, for such is limited (restricted) strictly to a physical plane with the ability to reason and know (learn). Herbert W. Armstrong was not given the ability to see that Jesus Christ had not eternally existed and that his origin of life began with a human birth from a physical mother, Mary, and who had been begotten at conception by a spiritual Father, God Almighty. It is God alone who chooses how and when He reveals spiritual knowledge. It was not a fault of Herbert W. Armstrong that he did not know this truth, nor did it diminish him in any way as God’s apostle, but it was simply God’s knowledge to give when He chose to do so. No one can judge God in such matters, although many have judged His servant Herbert W. Armstrong over such things, as with the subject of Pentecost.

Ron then gopis intothe spiritual war that his church has been goign through for the last 5 months. Demons have been raging a huge battle agsint ron and his chruhc.  that war is noow over and the demosn are getting ready to battle the world.  On May 19 when hsi christ returns the demosn will be unleasherd.

Before this past Sabbath, God inspired another powerful sermon by another evangelist, Terry. That sermon so perfectly fits with what happened since the fast and the last post, yet it was prerecorded and given before the Sabbath and before other events came to light toward the end of the week and over this weekend. The devastation of this First Woe was minute (small) in comparison to the time of the apostasy when it was relatively easy and quick for the demonic world to so successfully attack and decimate God’s Church at that time. Although the devastation was minimal in this great spiritual war, never-the-less, it was very painful, as it always is when any fall from following God in His Church. There have been a handful that have fallen, which included three who were senior elders, one elder and one who was an associate elder. As with all who leave, I deeply look forward to the time they come back into fellowship in spirit and in truth.

The good news now is that this five-month battle has ended and God’s Church has been defined. This great army of demonic spirit beings are now turning their wrath toward this world. One great war is over and the last one is about to begin. We have lived through a time of great trouble that was cast upon the Church, and now that time of trouble is ready to be cast upon the world.

 Ron dislikes hsi current positon, partucalry the fact that he is in prosn. He also is really getting rired of wearing sackcloth whenpeopel persecutre him.

I highly disliked the experience of the apostasy. I highly disliked the many occasions when those with whom I have walked to God’s House side by side have left our fellowship. I have highly disliked many occasions of wearing sackcloth when attacked by so many. And I highly dislike my current environment. Although I have highly disliked the times of suffering and pain, I have loved the fruit of what has been produced from such affliction because the power of God’s spirit dwelling in me is what has transformed me into who I am today, and I would not trade any hardship for that which God has blessed me with of Himself, dwelling more fully in my being, in ever growing oneness of mind and spirit.

Ron has established a new dress code fo rhsimembers.  Will he follow suit?

I’ve commented in the past that wearing sackcloth itches. It often itches because wearing true humility doesn’t go well with the human mind, because it is uncomfortable. Now that would be a great thing to prove. Prove humility! Learn to wear it always because it is in that state that the greatest work of transforming can thrive. That is the state in which God can produce more in us as we more perfectly yield to His molding, fashioning, and creating a new life in us.

So strive to wear sackcloth always. It is truly vogue for the children of God to do so.

The Bob Thiel Amateur Hour

The non-ordained self-appointed prophet Bob Thiel has been attempting to set himself up as a legitimate leader of the one and only end time True work.  So far he has made himself out to be a laughing stock in the Church of God.  Between Bob and Dave Pack it is hard to tell who is the biggest buffoon.

COG members have found no creditability in his self appointed prophet status.  No minister ordained him to that rank let alone ordain him as a prophet.  In the COG chain of command no man non-ordained can be in charge of any Church of God. Non-ordained church leaders are always under the authority of the church leader they are under.  Bob is not under anyone because he set himself in that position.

Bob's latest PATHETIC video is out.  He starts out by mocking Dave Pack's grandiose self opinion. Thiel mumbles, bumbles and stumbles trying to read Pack's info.  He stutters, has difficulty speaking, and has long periods of silence between his words.  In addition to that, the belching and snorting evil spirit seems to be back disrupting his video.  After he tries to discredit Pack he launches into the grandiose things his small group is supposedly doing.  Thiel thinks he is doing a better work than Pack. He says there is no other work doing the work besides his.  Only if the other COG's repent can they possibly do a work.

The crooked bookcases are still there with books in disarray.  Knobs stick out beside his head, flailing wrists, constantly looking left to his computer screen, and other distractions add no credibility to his Prophet status, especially  when it looks like he is sitting on the floor filming these videos. Certainly there is no "Ambassador Quality" present.

More Trouble at Living Church of God

Adrian Gray Defects From Dave Pack's Cult Over Pack's Obsession With Raking In Money

Poor Dave Pack.  God's greatest human to ever live on the face of the earth and the greatest Church of God leader in human history just cannot seem to get things to go his way all the time.

Dave has bragged and boasted over and over these past few years about how attractive his church is to those disillusioned in other splinter groups.  Dave has actively sought to poach people to come over to the dark side. A few prominent LCG and UCGers have went to him.  From various reports most of those men have have had to be reeducated into the TRUE beliefs of the Restored Church of God.  Some make it, most you never hear from again.

Dave was able to poach from Ron Weinland's cult a minister named Adrian Gray when Ron was convicted of his theft of tithe money for personal uses.  Dave hyperventilated on his score.

Now it seems that Dave Pack is being humiliated just like Ron Weinlend is.  Ron lost his mother and sister this past week and Dave lost Adrian Gray.

Adrian has sent a letter to the members of Ron Weinland's group.

The letter is posted at Don't Drink the Flavor Aid, the best site out there on corrupt Ron Weinland and his cult.

Hello to PKG Members,

I understand that a considerable number of you are looking into leaving PKG after Pentecost, with this in mind I need to retract a recommendation I made to you about Restored Church of God.

Nearly one year ago I sent a letter to a number of you, in it I strongly recommended  The Restored Church of God as a church that God is working through his ministry.  After attending, listening and watching I have come to the conclusion that just as there are members with Gods spirit in PKG there are also members in Restored with Gods spirit.

But I do have to retract my recommendation to go to Restored, as there are a number of things that do not sit right. Mr Packs focus on members is to get as much cash from them as possible, he uses not going to the place of safety and hellfire for those who do not give all, and laying up your reward in heaven for those who do give all.  A small portion of what I heard:

• Take out a mortgage on your house and send the cash in to Restored.
• Time is short sell your assets and send in the cash
• Have fundraising events and send in the cash.
• 1^st, 2^nd, and third tithe, all on the gross.

Any one that was baptized  in PKG did not have a  valid baptism. I know of one ex PKGer that that went to Restored was not allowed to keep Passover as he was baptized in PKG.

They have what they call a splinter pack for any one coming out of a cog.  It is several hundred pages of reading and many hours of sermons, you have to then be in full agreement with it all before attending services. It is mainly pre 86 worldwide teachings with a few changes, this is a type of indoctrination that slowly draws you in, but once in you see it isn’t like worldwide was nor are some of the teachings.  But for most that get to this point it is to late as their minds have been conditioned to D Packs teachings.

Most doctrine is as taught in Worldwide under Mr Armstrong, but not all.  Changes are classed as new understanding. (present truth type of situation)  A lot of mind control takes place, as one ex Philadelphian member said:: this lot are tougher than in Philadelphia under Flurry.  Never having been in Philadelphia I cannot say if that remark was accurate or not but I would not be surprised if it was.

As you may have guessed by now, my wife and I resigned our membership in Restored and are no longer members of that church.

In conclusion I would say that for those of you looking to move on, please take a long hard look at whoever you are going to. (do not just give up, God is still doing a work in many of you)   This in no ways negates what I said about R Weinland being a false prophet,  it just means D Pack is another wolf in sheep’s clothing to watch out for.

Wishing you all the best.
Adrian Gray.