As Pastor of the Banned HWA Church of God....Gentlemen, I have some bad news for you.
Sometimes it becomes necessary for the preservation of the Body of Christ to dis-fellowship and dis-member those who stray from the flock for cause. In doing so, we neither take pleasure in this procedure nor do we wish the individual emotional harm or spiritual turmoil even though inflicting such by themselves is an artform. In addition, some may need to be marked as not helpful to the growth, stability or sanity of those Sheep in need of a kind and loving Shepherd, and MUST be avoided. However, we gots to do what we gots to do.
Sadly I cannot figure out how to photograph my HWA issued Ordination and get it to post, but this ordination of HWA proves that it is God-Christ-Peter, James, John , Paul...Herbert W.Armstrong-Garner Ted Armstrong-David Antion and myself, along with a few other leading ministers, that are in true Apostolic and Ministerial succession and good to go. I have the spiritual authority to do this.
I claim this authority because when baptised by a true minister of God and ordained into the minister with the express knowledge and blessing of Herbert W. Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong and David Antion along with a cast of others, I was not baptised or ordained into any Church of MEN, but into the spiritual body of the Church of God , wherever that is. If I need to write and post a four hour sermon with all the proof texts and analogies that would be necessary to prove this to you, I will do so. It would certainly be something the likes of which you have never read, would be awesome and would add additional and expansive elements to your view of me and my calling. I believe the room would literally gyrate along with your seats when you come to grasp this clear and obvious truth.
Now I realize that in the past, dis-fellowshipping and dis-membering was a from the top down thing. Minsters can do this to YOU but , of course, YOU cannot do this to ministers. However, God has shown me this is not so. While being anointed for an ailment...well never mind.
THEREFORE:
It is my joy, um sad duty as Pastor of the Banned HWA Church of God and for the protection of all Sheep residing in the one body of the True Church Worldwide to announce the Dis-fellowshipping, Dis-membering and Marking of the following individuals from the Body with cause.
Apostle Gerald Flurry
AKA "Helper of our Joy-Joyful Gerry"
Reasons:
Self ordination and title taking without peer confirmation
Claiming to see himself spoken of by the Prophet Malachi as "That Prophet"
Wasteful and ill advised spending of the hard earned tithes of the brethren
Religious Nepotism
Reinventing, at great expense to others, the failed Ambassador College Paradigm
Sheep bashing and other serious breaches of the "mind your own business" rules for successful leadership
...and lots more
Apostle Ron Weinland
AKA "All Access" revoked for now
#OHSPS3.5"
Ron Weinland: "When I Disfellowship People I Remove God's Grace, Help, Protection and God's Favor From Them "
me too Ron....
Ron Weinland: "When I Disfellowship People I Remove God's Grace, Help, Protection and God's Favor From Them "
me too Ron....
Reasons:
Self Ordination with no peer confirmation
Spending too much money he did not earn on things he did not need
Gross Religious Nepotism
Putting a date on a book with a time-times and half a time shelf life now five years later
Boring sermons that were ill prepared and non-gyrational
...and lots more
Apostle, Watcher and Joshua as Spoken of By the Prophet Haggai David C. Pack
AKA-Mr. "I forgot it , Pull Big Triggers and THEN I will dis-member you!"
Reasons: (short list)
Self ordination with no peer confirmation
Extreme Religious Title Taking
Inability to cooperate and work with or for peers and superiors
Inability to understand there are superiors
Reinventing, at great expense to others, the failed Ambassador College Paradigm
Misuse of tithes and offerings
Inability to understand religious and theological boundaries
Gross misapplication of Scripture for personal gain
Making scripture mean what it never meant for personal aggrandizement
Abuse of superlatives in writing and reality
Being about the numbers and claiming not to be
Gross misunderstanding of the true nature of "Fruits"
Prophetic hooliganism's
Claiming Einstein persona non grata because he had "wild hair"
Reading his own writings as a sole source of theological truth
Inability to admit to false prophetic peepings and mutterings
Claiming God is "Crystal clear!" about his confused 2013 prophetic train wreck
Mistreatment of office staff and brethren under his loving care
Humiliating and emasculating COG ministry that may wish to join him depending...
Going strange and weird and forgetting he said:
"I want to make a statement about...me...now, if I became deceived, I will never tell you what I'm going to tell you now...I am telling you if I go off into strange ideas, misconduct, rebellion, you name it, don't follow me. I want to tell you that now, because if I start doing that I'm gonna try to get you to follow me! I'm gonna come to you and tell you it doesn't apply, it doesn't mean me, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's OK to follow me because ABCD and XY and Z. Do you understand what I'm saying? Listen to me now, when I tell you don't follow me if I go off into weird ideas, or if I get off into other things that are total absolutely unscriptural conduct, because if I do I'm gonna paint it with a different face and try to get you to follow me. Do you understand what I'm saying brethren? Please remember that, because I promise you that if I become deceived, I'll forget it, and I'll want you to forget it...And I hope you'll remember it well enough to quote it right back to me...But I'll tell you what, I'm not going anywhere."
...and not really going anywhere and lots more
Dr. Robert Thiel
oops...no wait...sorry
(Note: I personally do not have the heart to "disfellowship" RCM. I have found him to not have an insincere bone in his body concerning his perspectives on what he believes the Bible says and his own calling of years gone by. I may not be able to explain it and have little to agree with him on, but it's just how I have always perceived him to be. I suppose to me it is "behold a man in whom there is no guile" and is MY experience with the man. When he says he was tolerating and just being nice to Bob Thiel as Bob claimed to be a prophet and was not in RCM's or anone else's mind, he was speaking the truth and trying to be kind hoping BT would wake up)
On the other hand....
Dr. Robert Thiel
AKA "Bobby Floppy Hands"
Reasons:
Floppy hands
Giving 5 minute talks for over an hour
Self ordination and title taking with no peer review
False title taking
Seeing a "Double portion of the Spirit" where there is none
Inability to with work with or for peers or superiors
Having no superiors in the earthly realm
Bad prophetic skills
Mistaking Internet News and Blogs for Spiritual and Prophetic insight uncommon to man
Having no understanding of they dynamics of weather in the modern world
Poor set design and presentations
Poor grasp of football
Poor grasp of reality
Joseph Tkach Jr.
AKA "Bugsy Jr"
Reasons:
Grand Theft Church
Grand Theft Church
Gross and reckless theological change without consideration for the spiritual lives and sacrifices of the brethren
Getting snookered by the Trinitarianism
Leading and organization he should have left
Nepotic acceptance
Letting Ted Johnston write the "Surprising God" Blog which I'm sure does surprise any real God
Destroying all that our parents, family and peers contributed to out of a sincere desire to know what the Bible said and meant
Keeping the money for himself, "like taking candy from a baby."
Leaving many good men with years of sincere service without a dime of retirement and living like a King himself
For collecting Rolex Watches...or so I am told
We wish these men no harm but that they would repent rather than justify, modify and act as if they are not responsible for the trail of tears and disrespect for sincere seekers they have accidentally attracted to themselves and who have no idea just what they have gotten themselves into mentally, emotionally, economically and spiritually.
Please remember next week's pot luck after services. Women are to bring all the food and singles please bring a watermelon
Now brethren...let's smile, take up our hymnals and sing out on "My Friend and guide..."
SMILE BRETHREN!!
1.'Twas not a foe who did deride,
for that I could endure;
No hater thus who rose in pride,
else would I hide secure.
But thou it was, my friend and guide;
we did as equals meet;
We walked to God's house side by side,
and counsel blended sweet.
2. His speech more smooth than butter was,
yet in his heart was war;
More soft than oil his words appear,
yet sharp as drawn swords were they.
But Lord Thou will in judgment sit
and bring them down to woe;
And in the deep and darksome pit,
in ruin lay them low
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