As Pastor of the Banned HWA Church of God....Gentlemen, I have some bad news for you.
Sometimes it becomes necessary for the preservation of the Body of Christ to dis-fellowship and dis-member those who stray from the flock for cause. In doing so, we neither take pleasure in this procedure nor do we wish the individual emotional harm or spiritual turmoil even though inflicting such by themselves is an artform. In addition, some may need to be marked as not helpful to the growth, stability or sanity of those Sheep in need of a kind and loving Shepherd, and MUST be avoided. However, we gots to do what we gots to do.
Sadly I cannot figure out how to photograph my HWA issued Ordination and get it to post, but this ordination of HWA proves that it is God-Christ-Peter, James, John , Paul...Herbert W.Armstrong-Garner Ted Armstrong-David Antion and myself, along with a few other leading ministers, that are in true Apostolic and Ministerial succession and good to go. I have the spiritual authority to do this.
I claim this authority because when baptised by a true minister of God and ordained into the minister with the express knowledge and blessing of Herbert W. Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong and David Antion along with a cast of others, I was not baptised or ordained into any Church of MEN, but into the spiritual body of the Church of God , wherever that is. If I need to write and post a four hour sermon with all the proof texts and analogies that would be necessary to prove this to you, I will do so. It would certainly be something the likes of which you have never read, would be awesome and would add additional and expansive elements to your view of me and my calling. I believe the room would literally gyrate along with your seats when you come to grasp this clear and obvious truth.
Now I realize that in the past, dis-fellowshipping and dis-membering was a from the top down thing. Minsters can do this to YOU but , of course, YOU cannot do this to ministers. However, God has shown me this is not so. While being anointed for an ailment...well never mind.
THEREFORE:
It is my joy, um sad duty as Pastor of the Banned HWA Church of God and for the protection of all Sheep residing in the one body of the True Church Worldwide to announce the Dis-fellowshipping, Dis-membering and Marking of the following individuals from the Body with cause.
Apostle Gerald Flurry
AKA "Helper of our Joy-Joyful Gerry"
Reasons:
Self ordination and title taking without peer confirmation
Claiming to see himself spoken of by the Prophet Malachi as "That Prophet"
Wasteful and ill advised spending of the hard earned tithes of the brethren
Religious Nepotism
Reinventing, at great expense to others, the failed Ambassador College Paradigm
Sheep bashing and other serious breaches of the "mind your own business" rules for successful leadership
...and lots more
Apostle Ron Weinland
AKA "All Access" revoked for now
#OHSPS3.5"
Ron Weinland: "When I Disfellowship People I Remove God's Grace, Help, Protection and God's Favor From Them "
me too Ron....
Ron Weinland: "When I Disfellowship People I Remove God's Grace, Help, Protection and God's Favor From Them "
me too Ron....
Reasons:
Self Ordination with no peer confirmation
Spending too much money he did not earn on things he did not need
Gross Religious Nepotism
Putting a date on a book with a time-times and half a time shelf life now five years later
Boring sermons that were ill prepared and non-gyrational
...and lots more
Apostle, Watcher and Joshua as Spoken of By the Prophet Haggai David C. Pack
AKA-Mr. "I forgot it , Pull Big Triggers and THEN I will dis-member you!"
Reasons: (short list)
Self ordination with no peer confirmation
Extreme Religious Title Taking
Inability to cooperate and work with or for peers and superiors
Inability to understand there are superiors
Reinventing, at great expense to others, the failed Ambassador College Paradigm
Misuse of tithes and offerings
Inability to understand religious and theological boundaries
Gross misapplication of Scripture for personal gain
Making scripture mean what it never meant for personal aggrandizement
Abuse of superlatives in writing and reality
Being about the numbers and claiming not to be
Gross misunderstanding of the true nature of "Fruits"
Prophetic hooliganism's
Claiming Einstein persona non grata because he had "wild hair"
Reading his own writings as a sole source of theological truth
Inability to admit to false prophetic peepings and mutterings
Claiming God is "Crystal clear!" about his confused 2013 prophetic train wreck
Mistreatment of office staff and brethren under his loving care
Humiliating and emasculating COG ministry that may wish to join him depending...
Going strange and weird and forgetting he said:
"I want to make a statement about...me...now, if I became deceived, I will never tell you what I'm going to tell you now...I am telling you if I go off into strange ideas, misconduct, rebellion, you name it, don't follow me. I want to tell you that now, because if I start doing that I'm gonna try to get you to follow me! I'm gonna come to you and tell you it doesn't apply, it doesn't mean me, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's OK to follow me because ABCD and XY and Z. Do you understand what I'm saying? Listen to me now, when I tell you don't follow me if I go off into weird ideas, or if I get off into other things that are total absolutely unscriptural conduct, because if I do I'm gonna paint it with a different face and try to get you to follow me. Do you understand what I'm saying brethren? Please remember that, because I promise you that if I become deceived, I'll forget it, and I'll want you to forget it...And I hope you'll remember it well enough to quote it right back to me...But I'll tell you what, I'm not going anywhere."
...and not really going anywhere and lots more
Dr. Robert Thiel
oops...no wait...sorry
(Note: I personally do not have the heart to "disfellowship" RCM. I have found him to not have an insincere bone in his body concerning his perspectives on what he believes the Bible says and his own calling of years gone by. I may not be able to explain it and have little to agree with him on, but it's just how I have always perceived him to be. I suppose to me it is "behold a man in whom there is no guile" and is MY experience with the man. When he says he was tolerating and just being nice to Bob Thiel as Bob claimed to be a prophet and was not in RCM's or anone else's mind, he was speaking the truth and trying to be kind hoping BT would wake up)
On the other hand....
Dr. Robert Thiel
AKA "Bobby Floppy Hands"
Reasons:
Floppy hands
Giving 5 minute talks for over an hour
Self ordination and title taking with no peer review
False title taking
Seeing a "Double portion of the Spirit" where there is none
Inability to with work with or for peers or superiors
Having no superiors in the earthly realm
Bad prophetic skills
Mistaking Internet News and Blogs for Spiritual and Prophetic insight uncommon to man
Having no understanding of they dynamics of weather in the modern world
Poor set design and presentations
Poor grasp of football
Poor grasp of reality
Joseph Tkach Jr.
AKA "Bugsy Jr"
Reasons:
Grand Theft Church
Grand Theft Church
Gross and reckless theological change without consideration for the spiritual lives and sacrifices of the brethren
Getting snookered by the Trinitarianism
Leading and organization he should have left
Nepotic acceptance
Letting Ted Johnston write the "Surprising God" Blog which I'm sure does surprise any real God
Destroying all that our parents, family and peers contributed to out of a sincere desire to know what the Bible said and meant
Keeping the money for himself, "like taking candy from a baby."
Leaving many good men with years of sincere service without a dime of retirement and living like a King himself
For collecting Rolex Watches...or so I am told
We wish these men no harm but that they would repent rather than justify, modify and act as if they are not responsible for the trail of tears and disrespect for sincere seekers they have accidentally attracted to themselves and who have no idea just what they have gotten themselves into mentally, emotionally, economically and spiritually.
Please remember next week's pot luck after services. Women are to bring all the food and singles please bring a watermelon
Now brethren...let's smile, take up our hymnals and sing out on "My Friend and guide..."
SMILE BRETHREN!!
1.'Twas not a foe who did deride,
for that I could endure;
No hater thus who rose in pride,
else would I hide secure.
But thou it was, my friend and guide;
we did as equals meet;
We walked to God's house side by side,
and counsel blended sweet.
2. His speech more smooth than butter was,
yet in his heart was war;
More soft than oil his words appear,
yet sharp as drawn swords were they.
But Lord Thou will in judgment sit
and bring them down to woe;
And in the deep and darksome pit,
in ruin lay them low
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21 comments:
Dennis, If you have access to an ipad, photograph your certificate and then hit the little arrow at the top of your screen. A dialog box will come up with several options including email. Email it to Gary and hav him edit your post. I've been doing a similar process with W-9s for my customers and vendors all week.
BB
Standing ovation, Dennis!!!
Its about time someone from the former WCG ministry publicly dis-fellowship and mark these idiots.
Oh, and the part where you said, "We wish these men no harm but that they would repent"; with all due respect, the Lake of Fire has a better chance of freezing over than for this to happen, IMHO.
Richard
Richard
Keeping the money for himself, "like taking candy from a baby."
Here's a song that Joey Jr. and all the other COG leaders sing in private!
EW King and James Malm have just posted that they feel snubbed, ignored and "left out", by not being properly "persecuted" by this thread.
Dennis--- please "make their day". Mark and Disfellowship them so that they can "feel important and can be a SOMEBODY".
It is the truly Christian thing to do to bring joy to them.
Joe Moeller
Cody, WY
Tkach probably has some of Herb's Rolexes, where did they go? His dad had access to this stuff!
1 Timothy 3
3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
(No, none of these men are fit to teach!)
Thanks Bob, done and sent,we'll see. I also forgot I had an updated ordination from Joseph W Tkach so I do have a double portion after all!!!
Roderick Meredith is special: He is a false prophet of 50 years standing.
I, as an apostle of (oh, it's a long story and I don't want to tell it)... anyway, as an apostle, I have already disfellowshipped all mentioned here plus a few more you haven't gotten around to and you must know Roderick Meredith is just gone -- gone, I say!
RCM is a lot more crafty and artful than you have experienced, apparently and even Herbert Armstrong thought so, even though he was disfellowshipped too.
To paraphrase the evil witch from willow: You're disfellowshipped -- you're all disfellowshipped (and quite a few are pigs as well and need to go on a diet)!
Joe: let's keep Malm and E.W.King members in good standing and not give them the persecution they so need. lol Besides I do not know them and have not had years of "Please help me" email from their members as I have from these men's
I know Joe got an awesome Kentucky Flintlock that was found in the rafters of a cabin and restored by a personal friend. Joe did good in so many ways and lives the life because of it.
PS...a life he stole from the good and sincere folk in WCG. It doesn't matter the belief right or wrong. It was theirs and Joe Sr and Jr had NO right to do what they did in the way that they did to the people they did.
Religious crime pays...big
I Timothy 3 sets the bar too high or I'd no longer qualify. We have low expectations here at Banned HWA of our leaders so we meet all of them.
Just works better and is more realisitic. The guys who wrote that didn't do all that well with it either
:)
Has anyone else noticed that the certificate was only good for 1 year?
That being the case, it would have had to be renewed every year. Therefore, when HWA left, what happened when his present (at that time) certificate expired?
HWA obviously certified himself, which is not valid, as one cannot appoint themselves.
Sweetblood notes:
HWA obviously certified himself, which is not valid, as one cannot appoint themselves.
As did the Apostle Paul
Galatians 1
New International Version (NIV)
1 Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2 and all the brothers and sisters
with me,
11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ."
Translation: God made me an Apostle and I got my Gospel from Jesus in visions with no imput from Peter, James and John from whom I learned nothing nor needed to. Who they are makes no difference to me.
Joseph Tkach Jr.
AKA "Bugsy Jr"
Reasons:
Grand Theft Church
HA!
"All this is totally hilarious and true!"
LOLLL
Every time I say Dennis is so full of cult jizz, that even his hair is white, I get banned. However, how can I fail to point out how Dennis gushes whitewash words all over the bloodiest prick in all of COGdom, outside of HWA himself?
RCM has destroyed more lives than Flurry and Pack combined – he has been at the COG game longer and has had access to greater numbers of helpless sheep to savage than all of his competitors.
With 60, very well documented, years of RCM’s false prophecies of the world ending within the next 5-7 years of your lifetime, so send in all your cash, and Dennis finds no guile in him! Why doesn't Dennis think RCM should pay back what he stole form the innocent but, Tkach should?
Is image rehab possible after something as heinous as RCM’s doctrine on Divorce & Remarriage? How many spanked butts and paddled personalities must be shattered by RCM before Dennis would see some inconsistencies with RCM's sincerity in following anything decent?
Without the thieving thuggery of the Tkaches, RCM would likely now be gorging on a much larger slice of the COG pie, perhaps he’d even be in charge of the WCG, veritably unchanged from HWA’s rule.
As bad as Tkach may be, his actions did free many from enslavement to the very COC concepts that are embodied within the wholly evil RCM.
I am well aware of RCM's shortcomings in everything from his literalist views of Revelation and all not really for today "prophecies" in the Bible. I have mentioned his bad habit of 3-5 yearing everyone with false motivation for 50 years. I am well aware of his extreme and dramatic tellings of everything from the crucifixion of Jesus to "queers" and spanking. I said in my comments about him that these were "My experiences" and that I had little with him with which to agree. I think he he a zealot which is not good nor a compliment. I just never personally, and I have had him at my table crying his eyes out over his loses in life while meaning well which is what I meant by not being able to tear into him as others. I don't excuse that which has hurt others but even the good ol Apostle Paul gets a bye for his breaking up relationships and teaching it was the end of time in his day and how others should forsake certain relationships to get ready. Of course he was dead wrong too as are all others.
Give it a rest UT. Why so nasty? You must have a lot of hang ups you need to deal with from the cult. Obviously if you have been "banned" as you claim, there certainly was a good reason!
I’m all in favor of comprehensive forgiveness for the entire lot: Dennis, RCM, Pack, Flurry, and St. Paul.
My Apostle Paul was a serial killer.
After Paul had an encounter with grace, he repented of his bloody ways.
The COG gurus may too have grappled with grace, or maybe not. I hope so but, it’s not my call to make. However, it’s ponderously evident that they have not repented of destroying lives.
It’s not disrespectful to Paul to mention he was a murderer. Likewise, there is nothing wrong with elaborating on the crimes of someone like RCM.
Beyond the dis-fellowship words, I bare RCM no ill will. If our paths crossed, and he needed any act of human kindness, I believe I should and would deliver. I do hope his ministry fails and I see no hypocrisy in ridiculing him until it does.
I’m aware that all humans have warm and fuzzy moments, whether they’re sitting, blubbering, at my kitchen table, or slaying from the pulpit. I realize that all the COG mad men started as innocents and then someone corrupted them. I also know that they are not wholly responsible for their brain chemistry that makes leaves them craving power at any cost.
However, they do remain liable for their evil wakes – until they repent.
Dennis’s special moments with a tearful RCM obviously shape his thinking; perhaps similarly to the way my quiet time with the words of St. Paul have impacted me.
Nonetheless, when I see a killer, regardless of shared tender moments between us – I call him a killer.
Therefore, I reiterate, RCM remains the bloodiest prick alive in all of COGdom.
UT I don't disagree. RCM and others repeat the same mistakes over and over and I agree there seems to be no remorse. They have to have many examples brought to them of problems and heart ache they have caused with their attitudes and predictions gone wrong.
Perhaps at the end they will just say, "I fought a good fight..I win" just as Paul seems to have done. Paul broke up relationships, recommended life style changes for people because time was short and probably screwed up a bunch of kids stuck in his congregations and rants too.
Perhaps being a "peer" he did not effect me in any real way and even had not been one, I doubt I would have allowed myself to be pushed around by the do's and don'ts of LCG or the likes.
I don't wish to give the impression I give him a pass . I just find others like Pack, Wineland and Flurr to more insane and overtly dangerous and harmful today. RCM is fading from the scene I believe
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