Herman Hoeh: Jesus Wasted His Time Preaching If You Gather Together Without A Minister Present

This was written by Herman Hoeh and was in the Good News October 1957:

What is the purpose of the ministry?

To instruct the brethren to grow in love and in good deeds — exactly as Heb. 10:24 mentions. Then God intends THE PASTORS to set the right example and to instruct the flock which should assemble WITH a minister. IF BRETHREN COULD ACCOMPLISH THIS BY ASSEMBLING WITHOUT A MINISTER, THEN JESUS WASTED HIS TIME TO TRAIN INDIVIDUALS TO BECOME PASTORS OR ELDERS. Then He was mistaken in training the disciples to preach and to feed the flock, if the flock could feed itself!

The very fact that the ministry is FOR the edifying of the church is PROOF POSITIVE that assembling without a shepherd will NOT lead to UNITY and perfection in knowledge. Without a pastor, disunity, contention and error will inevitably arise in a local group. EXPERIENCE PROVES IT!

What is a person to do if they have a minister that treats them like dirt?  What if someone has a minister that tells them to abandon their loved one a the mall so the state can take care of the loved one?  What if a woman has been molested by a minister or severely beaten by a husband and the minister tells her she still has to attend church with him? What if your minister sexually assaulted one of your children?  Why in the world would anyone need to sit there and listen to this crap when, if they wanted, they could gather with friends and open their Bibles and study together?

The above is all about control.  Members have always been considered too stupid to know anything about the Bible, even though their founder never had any theological education, other than parking his butt in a public library for 6 months while not working to care for his family.

Church leaders need members to gather together in order to control them and take their money.

They forget this one simple scripture though that says they don't need a minister present:

Matthew 18:18-20The Message (MSG)

18-20 “Take this most seriously: A yes on earth is yes in heaven; a no on earth is no in heaven. What you say to one another is eternal. I mean this. When two of you get together on anything at all on earth and make a prayer of it, my Father in heaven goes into action. And when two or three of you are together because of me, you can be sure that I’ll be there.”

Matthew 18:18-20King James Version (KJV) 

18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

 

The Hope and Desire of Church of God Self-appointed Leaders

In Ron Weinland's latest book he has the following comment which describes the ultimate hope of every single Church of God leader out there today.

That Church has been small from its inception. It has been hated, maligned, persecuted, and a vast number of its leaders have been imprisoned and/or even put to death. It has been so small that most in the world have never even known of its existence. But that is all about to be changed, as it is now God’s purpose to make it a powerful Church, and the only Church on earth. 

How many decades have we all heard this exact same thing.  "The church is small since its inception"...not true at all!  The church grew and millions have been touched by the words of Jesus and who, in massive numbers, are better Christians than ANY of the Church of God leaders we have today.

According to the false prophets of the Church of God, their god was too impotent to preserve his word for future generations.  Little itsy-bistys groups of men (always men) held on to "the truth" and kept it hidden till Herbert Armstrong listened to his wife and started his own church.  Then, in only six months, he found it all hidden in the Eugene, Oregon library.  God was a crafty dude to hide it there!

Yes, for centuries good men and women were been killed for their faith and continue to be to this very day. From martyrs in Iraq to those killed in Syria and Egypt, they stood up for their faith, secure in their beliefs.  Not so in the Churches of God today.

The men leading the Churches of God today have never stood up for anything.  They have never been persecuted.  All any of them have done is create groups to secure their financial success and standing.  In spite of their grandiose dreams and boasting, 99.99% of the world has never heard of any of the COG's.  That much in Ron Weinland's statement is true.

I can state emphatically that Jesus will NOT return on Wednesday, June 9, 2019.  Nothing will change on that date and God certainly is NOT going to make Ron Weinland's personality cult a powerful church any more than he will ever make any of the Churches of God powerful and the ONLY church on earth.  Why would anyone alive today want to live in a kingdom ruled by spiritual despots like Dave Pack, Ron Weinland, Gerald Flurry, James Malm, or Bob Thiel? Who would want to be ruled over by any of their nasty and vindictive members?

The hope and desire of real Christians is something greater than any of the pipedreams of current COG leaders.  That hope and desire is rest and release from the burdens of life as their burden are lifted and carried by one greater than them. There will be no ruling with rod's of iron or police states that so many in the church think they will be able to set up when they are made rulers of their worlds.

Leaving the Faith, Paying the Price

If you haven’t left an oppressive religious community, peeking inside one may seem novel, a curious poking of your nose into a weird upside-down world where everything mainstream culture takes for granted is swapped out for some alternate reality. 

If you have left such a community, though, stories of others who’ve also found their way out induce a mix of panic and relief. Critics try to stay neutral, but I can’t pretend One of Usdidn’t sock me in the solar plexus; the documentary about three young people trying to make their way outside of Hasidic Judaism is laden with a familiar sadness and longing.

My own background is much closer to an earlier film from One of Us co-directors Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady: the 2006 documentary Jesus Camp, which looked inside a charismatic Christian summer camp for young people that trained them in spiritual warfare (and to an extent, conservative political warfare). That film is hard to watch too. 

Whereas Jesus Camp focused on the faithful, though, One of Us takes a different tack in its examination of an insular religious community (and one that’s more impenetrable to outsiders). Instead of talking to the true believers, Ewing and Grady follow the questioners. The film’s revelations are two-pronged: They uncover much about the Hasidic community, while also more broadly exposing how insular groups keep people in and everyone else out. It’s hard to leave, even when staying is impossible too.  Excerpt from : In the moving Netflix documentary One of Us, 3 ex-Hasidic Jews struggle with secular life

Freedom to be, is the greatest blessing and the price one pays to leave the flock.

Paroled Felon and Church of God Apostle/Prophet Sets Specific Date Of Jesus Return in 2019

Where would the Church of God be without all of its prophets, apostles and criminal ministers?  From Dave Pack and Gerald Flurry to Bob Thiel and James Malm, these men all claim to have the inside track to the plans of God on the earth.  All of these men have hedged and fudged on their dates as the years pass them by and none of the revelations come to pass.  Liars all.

Well that is till now!

God's only true prophet, who had to be humbled and humiliated in prison for 3 1/2 years, is back as a free man and running with specific dates as to what will happen in the end times.  God's greatest prophet alive now is, Ronnie Weinland, convicted felon.  God always uses the basest of men, so I guess Weinerdude fits the bill.  The problem with Weinerdude is that every single thing he has prophesied since his epic failure in 2008 has failed to come to pass.  That does not matter though.  Weinerdude has a way around all of these failures, his prophecies actually happened, but were spiritual instead of physical.  A convenient excuse to get around all the epic and well-publicized failures.

That is all in the past now.  Weinerdude has a specific date when Jesus is returning to earth to wreak havoc and clean up the mess that the Church of God failed to clean up.

This is an account of what is clearly expected to occur on June 9, 2019. The long prophesied Messiah, the Christ (both words, Messiah and Christ, have the same meaning), will be sent by God to take control of this earth and to establish His government to rule over the nations. The self-rule of mankind will be brought to an end as the Messiah and his army will take control of all government over all nations. He will do so with great power—a level of power never before witnessed by mankind. 

Jesus is coming to reign supreme alongside the few hundred followers of Weinerdude.  Notice one thing that irritates the hell out of Weinerdude, he is still bitter and extremely pissed that he was found guilty of tax fraud and sent to prison.

During that millennial period, people will continue to live and then die, as in the previous 6,000 years, except all will live under God’s government and no longer under mankind’s. They will live in a world where justice is swift (not drug out for years), righteous in judgment, and simply just and fair. 

There will be no prosecutors or investigators who can twist, distort, and redefine fact in a manner they desire that is often with the sole purpose of winning a conviction, establishing a record to advance oneself, making their own personal judgment of guilt or innocence, and/or from an unjust bias of personal prejudice. There will be no lawyers who defend clients they know to be guilty. There will be no need for the legal system as it exists today. There will be no need for such things because those who come with Christ will know what has happened in all cases requiring matters that need to be judged. Nothing can be hidden from them. No one will be able to get by with lies, cons, deceit, false witnessing, or twisting the truth in any way. 

The Staggering Number of Feast Attendees With The Continuing In Hindsight Church of God

The world's foremost Church of God who is currently doing the ONLY Elijah work on earth today has had a staggering number of attendees at his Feast of Tabernacles sites this year.  No other Church of God is as astounding as this church or has one grown this fast, at least in the deluded leader's mind. He likes to report he has 3,000 African members on his membership rolls.  3,000 followers who have spent a lifetime of church hopping from one organization to another depending who gives them the most money, computers, bibles and whatever else they desire.  They go from Seventh Day Adventist groups to one Church of God group after another when their desires are not met. The Church of God leaders get all warm and fuzzy assuming they have scored more members to their money making empires.  Whoever ends up giving them the most money ro material goods is tyhe One an donly true church.  You can see this in the letter below from one of Hindsight Bob's African groups:

I Greet you all in the Name of Jesus.

We, the Rift Valley (Transmara, Njoro, Bomet, Mau) Members held a meeting for eight days and it turned out successful. We were blessed with Spiritual Training and Teachings.

The people were filled not only Spiritually but also with the bodily satisfaction of food. They were also happy with the services and support we gave them.

I thank you all, but mostly Pastor Ochieng for the planning that took place.

The challenge moreover is the way the people were starved. They experience starvation and hardships in terms of conquering drought and availability of water. But we thank God that the last 2 days when the meeting was supposed to come to an end we were blessed with Rain. But there was no Water Tank for storage but with your prayers we believe we will get one soon.  Hint, hint!

Our Camera Man, Joseah Kipngetich, did a great job in Photo Session however he needs a better quality camera that can take great photo and video graphics whenever we have meetings in Rift Valley next year. Also, he can really come in handy in the Photos in our Church Magazine( Continue Church of God)

Almost-ordained, almost hired and then fired, Elijah Bob Thiel, the Prophet of Hindsight had a staggering number of attendees outside of Africa this year.

Of that 70 there are actually only 40 members sending him money.  Forty deluded people who think a self-appointed liar is an actual prophet of God.  Even Rod Meredith, in all of his grandiose beliefs about himself, understood Bob Thiel to be seriously deluded and thus publicly rebuked him and removed him from the Living Church of God.