Aleksandar Sasha Veljic "We who are his friends tried to rescue CCOG by telling him things he did not believe and presenting him arguments and proofs he simply dismissed. "

 

You posed a question: can Bob Thiel get any crazier? Well, perhaps he can. Prior to his sermon on government and gossip, I got an email in which he asked if Terry Nelson has lost it for posting on this site. I replied to him that I am not a dictator, so Terry Nelson is a free moral agent who makes his own decisions, and God is judge of him, as He is of all of us. Then I reminded him of various comments I receive from his followers, one of which was a detestable email from African CCOG "evangelist" Evans, who wrote that I am capable of only one thing: to sow discord among the brethren. Then, I reminded Bob of his own words to Terry Nelson`s son whom Bob accussed of being blind and put a reference to Christ`s letter to Laodiceans. So, then, I told Bob that it is really a good question who lost it and what has been lost!? In the meantime, friends informed me that his message had gone up. Regardless of my total dislike of his approach, while he ignores the factual evidence of awful corruption and misdeeds, I will not make any response to that. In my email to him, I asked him to please remind his followers that pride comes before destruction, and I pointed out that I have asked all those associated with me not to attack him and his CCOG. I also reminded Bob of the men who have created all the mess in CCOG in Africa and I also cautioned him that his CCOG may soon be faced directly with Romans 13. Because some of now former CCOG members in Malawi decided to appeal to their government over the various abuses they received from CCOG representative there. So, the evidence of various - as I call them - crimes against humanity is at the Malawian government. Let it also be known that Malawian government kindly registered Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God, being thankful to us who have stood up for the oppressed Malawian believers. It is the first country where we were registered and it is symbolic because that the country where the worst abuses have happened against members in the name of "government of God".  

And one more comment about calling into account that always comes from the TOP, not from the basest bottom. From which top it can come? CCOG has only one person at the top. And the closest person to Bob in the rank is "evangelist" who has created his own evil personal church empire, yet has audacity to write a detestable letter to me in which he puts me down with his pride and disgusting comments. Surely, he could only insult me and praise himself that he is the one in Africa, he does a mighty work, etc. So, no, nobody could hold Bob Thiel accountable from the top, for no one than him is on the top. We who are his friends tried to rescue CCOG by telling him things he did not believe and presenting him arguments and proofs he simply dismissed. We have done our duty before God and Christ for we have to submit to God rather than to any man. Terry Nelson has even gone that far to inform the widest audience about all those things by posting it here.  

To anonymous comment from LCG: there is no reason for you in LCG to laugh about this tragedy because for many years you enjoyed the fellowship and blogs from Bob Thiel. Also, remember what the Bible says about rejoicing over somebody`s fall. There are some things laughable about LCG, but I don`t feel like laughing. It hurts me that the Body of Christ has been fragmented by various leaders who were driven by their vanity, egoism and pride. Rod Meredith and other COG leaders today are not innocent of that either. 

To those who made reference to Joyce and David, can you have mercy and refrain from such comments?! Would Christ have that kind of attitude in this or any other situation for that matter?

Disgruntled COG Prophet Tries Claim He Is The ONE MAN To Lead Final Phase Of The Work And All Who Reject Him Are In Rebellion!

Bob Thiel, now a totally discredited Church of God leader has been doubling down on his authority as the ONLY end-time COG leader and that church members should yield to his church government and recognize him as the right ONE to lead the church.

Bwana Bob has a lengthy post up today about proper church governance and uses Herbert Armstrong's letter he wrote on church government while the Worldwide Church of God was being investigated by the State of California for financial malfeasance.

Thiel quotes the entire letter, but here is the except that Thiel believes pertains to him:

God ... He has always worked through ONE MAN at a time. He worked through Abraham. He worked through Moses, through Joshua, through one "judge" at a time, through Samuel, through David, through Solomon. He worked through Peter and when Peter had left the Middle East, through Paul. These men had, in greater or lesser number, staff assistants under them, but God's WORK was through the ONE MAN AT A TIME! THIS IS THE "WORK OF GOD" -- and not a humanly organized institution, operation or organization on the worldly corporate type of organization, function and procedure. (Armstrong H. Just What Is 'The WORK'? Good News, April 1981)

God never works through committees. God works only through one man at a time, and always did. All through the Bible you will find that God had to work through one man at a time. (Armstrong H. Another Civilization. Sermon, October 2, 1982)

To administer these many operations, God--not a vote of the members--"hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers." Or, as stated in more detail in Ephesians 4:11 (RSV): "And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers." ...

Evangelists were leading ministers, proclaiming the gospel to the public, even raising up local churches and having supervision over some churches ... an evangelist may hold executive functions under the apostle in the Church headquarters or work today. An evangelist is not necessarily stationary. Pastors are stationary pastors over a local church or contingent group of local churches. (Armstrong HW. Mystery of the Ages, Chapter 6)

Now what kind of a building do you have if part of the facade, one or two stones, or one or two pieces of the wood of it is over one place and some of it is over in another State, and a part of it is in another nation, and another part of it is somewhere else? Would you call it a building? And yet there are those that say; "Well I'm a loner, I'm an individual Christian. I don't want to be a part of any church organization." And then there's those who say; "I don't want to follow a man." And yet that's what they do do, they follow a man usually. And they go off into many little cliques, each one of them following one man. 
   
Now God has always worked through one man as leader. But that man is only a leader, and always it has been God. For example, when Samuel was a prophet leading the people of God, they didn't want Samuel anymore, they wanted a human king like the other nations. God said; "It isn't you they have rejected Samuel, you weren't the real ruler, I was. They have rejected me that I should not rule over them." (I Samuel 8:7 paraphrased). This is eighth chapter of I Samuel. And, you see it was God ruling them, not Samuel. 
   
And so it is really Christ leading the Church today, it is not I. I am only an instrument. (Armstrong H. Ephesians 3 & 4 Bible Study, January 2, 1981)

Thiel is struggling right now to regain control of his rapidly dwindling church, particaurly in Africa. According to him rebellion men have arisen and are casting negative stories about him and his African work. These men are in direct rebellion against him as the ONE TRUE Church of God leader. They have rebelled against TRUE church government. 

If you wish to be Philadelphian faithful, you need to know who the O N E M A N at this time leading the final phase of the work is (watch also Dreams, the Bible, the Radio Church of God, and the Continuing Church of God). 

 

If there is some type of a crisis, what should members do? 

 

Support that ONE MAN unless he is clearly an apostate.

But you are Bob! You are apostate! 

Bob Thiel Upset Over Satan's Minions On Banned, Smears Serbian Members Who Left

 

This just gets better by the day!

One of the reasons for posting this is that Satan's minions at the anti-COG Banned by HWA website are elated+ that the Continuing Church of God (CCOG) lost about ten people this year. Eight were from Serbia. All of them rejected biblical governance for various reasons. The fact that we gained over 250 this month in Lodwar is not something they were interested in mentioning.

Anyway, at least one of the ill-informed at Banned posted things to the effect that the CCOG lost 1/2 of its Caucasian members as that poster apparently thought we had more people in Serbia than we had. Another commented that the CCOG would lose most of its African members, because we would be losing the financial support of the Serbians. That, of course is absurd. The Serbian group has been subsidized for years by the CCOG--they have never supplied the CCOG offices in the USA or Africa with money. Furthermore, the financial support given by the CCOG to Africa was one of the reason that they gave for leaving. Anyway, some at the nned by HWA site are falsely predicting a CCOG collapse--that is simply wrong. While we do not like to lose members, and will ubdoubtedly sometimes lose more because of a new group that formed, to the best of my knowledge (not counting those we put out last year for financial corruption) we lost about ten and gained over 250 congregants this month--the CCOG remains the fastest growing x-WCGgroup in the 21st century. The assertion that enitre countries have left the CCOG is not true--which countries? Certainly not Kenya, Malawi, Ghana, Rwanda, DRC, South Sudan, or Ethiopia. Nor are we facing any financial crisis.

Many of the ignorant and inaccurate comments at the Banned site bring the following scripture to mind:

16 The lazy man is wiser in his own eyes Than seven men who can answer sensibly. (Proverbs 26:16) 

Irrespective of facts provided many at Banned prefer their own faulty judgments and accusations.

Speaking of the Banned site, someone who left us a while back, sent me something on Friday that he tried to get posted at the Banned site--but it does not look like it ever was posted. It included the following statements:

I wish nothing but the best for Dr. Thiel. I don't agree with what is happening in Africa and I feel that Dr. Thiel should handle the situation differently but I am not him. Saying that I am not against Dr. Thiel and still consider him a friend and have the utmost respect for him. ... He does have many gifts and I wish him the best. Like Paul and Barnabas they went separate ways that is how I feel about CCOG and Bob Thiel. Saying that I am not an Elder in the Church nor will I ever be one. I am just a believer and if God allows me to use my skills to help the work I will. Aleksandar Veljic is a personal friend of mine someone I have the highest respect for, and even he is not attacking Bob Thiel after leaving CCOG and has told people publicly that they should not do so. So not sure what people at banned are trying to accomplish. Bob Thiel is a great person and I honestly believe his heart is in the right place ...

Sadly, many have succumbed to gossip and innuendo. To assist those interested in the biblical truth about governance as well as to deal with various allegations of corruption, we put out the following sermon yesterday:

Aleksandar Sasha Veljic : More on Bob Thiel's Cover Ups In Africa

 

So that Terry`s words of the scandals I was suffering about for 6 years would not be just words, let me illustrate it. After my visit to Africa in 2017, I had a very strong feelings that those attending CCOG there really had no idea about the Bible prophecies. I reported my feelings to Bob Thiel, so perhaps that is why he might have been suspicious about whether those attendees there understand all that we teach. The second scandal I witnessed was that nobody has ever anointed sick in Kenya. To his credit, Bob Thiel did write to Evans about that, but did Evans care? Of course not. Being loose there and having a total trust of Bob Thiel he has been abusing widely his position. When Terry returned from Africa, I asked him if he had ever seen Evans or any deacon anoint the sick. As I presumed, no Terry hadn`t seen it. In other words, those people in Africa resist to change and bring themselves into the harmony with Christ and the Bible, which just proves to me that many of them are not interested in Christ-like life, but their goal is to milk as much money from CCOG leader as they could.

There was another scandal when Evans told me with much pride how he took one of his sons to the Kenyan army. So, that son was fighting Islamic insurgents in Kenya. At that time, as Evans told me with not small pride, his son was a "cadet". I was shocked. And that was an indication to me that African CCOG members don`t really understand Church teachings. I informed Bob Thiel about this, but I have never heard anything about it afterwards.

Another shock came to me as I returned home. One Kenyan from another Church of God informed me that the other son of Evans participated in the election campaign in 2017. Now, that is not a small thing and, as a representative of Bob Thiel, I surely had to be informed about it. The fact that I was not informed about it told me that they did not want CCOG to know about it. Surely, I informed Bob Thiel who took a swift action to tell Evans` son, who was in that same year appointed a deacon, while his father was appointed an evangelist, that Church members are not to be active in the politics. They both, the father and the son, promised to Bob Thiel they were never again do any such thing. However, last year the same happened: there was Evans` son again in political campaign, but he did not inform Bob Thiel about it. Terry obtained all the official documents from the Kenyan election board. I also checked online the site of that body and found the name of Evans` son listed as an independent candidate in his district. Moreover, Evans` son didn`t even hide his political engagement on his Facebook profile, so the whole world could see his political rallies, posters, Orange coalition promotional material and congratulations sent to him. When Bob Thiel tried to convince me that someone had put Evans` son name on the ballot without Evans` son being aware of that, I reminded him of all this evidence. When he persisted in that claim, my common sense was totally offended. Evans` son was removed supposedly from the position of deacon, but it was never officially announced. However, he was caught preaching at CCOG and the video recording of that has been obtained. What does that all tell us? That nobody can rely on any reports from Kenya. Bob Thiel was lied twice about an important matter. Naturally, one would pose a question as to how many other lies they have been telling me? Yet, he does not question the honesty, integrity and conversion (or at least a level of conversion) of his favorite "evangelist". And it seems he is willing to defend him to the last silly argument that he can come up with. As Terry said, I endured the African CCOG non-sense for years. I could no longer take it. And once Terry presented me evidence, now I had something that I could call upon and use it to finally remove myself from that cancer on the Body of Christ.

Aleksandar Sasha Veljic "...membership of entire countries have departed from CCOG"

Yes, his claim to be the fastest growing Church of God was based on his bogus African membership numbers. And some of us were grieved, while others laughed at that bogus. We were hoping that he might finally see through all that sham he called "the open door in Africa". However, once we realized he would ignore all the evidence, and once we experienced that the words of his "evangelist" Evans is for him above any word or testimony coming from anyone else, I realized there was no hope and I finally understood that CCOG was no longer place for me. Since Bob really does not have any real understanding of what is going on in Africa, but he relies only on the reports he gets from "evangelist" Evans, he may not be even aware of the consequences in Africa, which is that there are even less members than before. In some cases, membership of the entire countries have departed from CCOG, or better said have liberated themselves from Evans spiritual oppression. Non-Africans who have endured all that sham for years share in their joy of liberation. On top of that, for the first time now I am learning of more of corruption and crimes of that African "evangelist" that some members are coming forward to tell me. The abuse that a small congregation in Tanzania suffered is incredible and provides even more proof that Evans Ochieng is not only a false Christian preacher, but a false Christian as well. Aleksandar Sasha Veljic