Thursday, November 10, 2016

Dave Pack: I am restoring the greatest things in the Bible!



Dave Pack has releases sermons 3 & 4 now the are supposed to  make clear to a the disaffected COG members out there in LaLa land that Dave is God's most superfantabulous mouthpiece.

Dave's secret hidden knowledge that he is reveling is that a 3 temple will be built in Jerusalem where his creature called "jesus" will come.  Dave will be the first to walk up the steps of the new temple to shake Jesus' hand and welcome him back to earth.  This reign of his creature "jesus" will be BEFORE the tribulation.  After it reigns for 3 12 years it will start some major whup ass on the world.  Dave and his rapidly dwindling flock will then be in place to reeducated the survivors into the "truth" retires by Dave.
He would know that we would have a host of questions. I do. I am sure you do. For a while, as I continue preaching more things to you, I will actually open as many questions as I answer. However, it is my job to teach this great understanding. It becomes, in many regards, a restoration of among the very greatest doctrines in the Bible—that only begins with the fact that God is going to build this great house—even greater than Solomon’s wonderful house, built to God…or “wonderful great” house as he called it in Chronicles.
So a doctrine—a great doctrine—that was known and taught in the first century is going to be restored today. In many regards, other than in the first century, this is the greatest story never told since or until now. Once it is explained, we will say, it is soon to be one of the greatest stories ever told. It is the greatest story never told to the New Testament Church since the first century. God has broken an unbelievable, powerful code. I am going to drown you in verses proving what I am going to tell you, but I wanted to say at the outset some corrections of things we thought we understood. I am coming up on fifty years in the Church and there are things we wrestled with. For instance: When is the last three and a half years of Christ’s ministry? I will throw that one out there, because I am going to tell you later…But there are things we wrestled and wrestled with. 
Dave wants his flock to know that his knowledge far exceeds anything Herbert Armstrong knew or restored.  When you think about tit, that is not a hard thing to do.  HWA had what is considered to be the equivalent to a year of freshman bible.  Six months spent in a public library, that has slim pickings on theological books, does not make one a theologian. Nor does being trained at the feet of such a man.
I have told you about things Mr. Armstrong wrestled and wrestled with, and things that he had absolutely no chance to understand previously. Neither did I—or anyone—until God simply turned the screw and broke codes, and opened up things so awesome that you can’t really begin to imagine that they are in the Scriptures—never mind anticipate them. One would be—and it introduces so many others—that God is going to build this great house in Jerusalem.
The reason Dave's creature needs to come back is because Dave claims it needs 3 1/2 more years to complete its ministry.   Apparently what Jesus accomplished on the cross was not enough, at least for this thing Dave calls "jesus."

Dave's creature is going to come to Jerusalem to save the Jews first.  All other nations will have to sit there an twiddle their fingers as they suffer great calamities while this creature plays with the Jewish people.  They will be prohibited from coming to Jerusalem.  Once the Jews are saved and the rest o humanity has suffered, then they will have a chance.
Now that is an astounding thing. He will save the tents of Judah first. The Bible talks about Israel and the other tribes. This is Judah. We ought to examine “first.” It means “in order.” It can mean “in place…or rank,” but it means in order. If somebody runs in a race and you say they came in first, nobody doubts what that means. So if you say that you are going to save the tents of Judah first, first you must understand the meaning of “first” before we can go on. You are left with an incredible question. It is inescapable, and it is life-changing in every regard. There are two possibilities. I’m going to show you the Bible is filled with that statement, but for now, we are left with—what does it mean? There are two possibilities.
Number one: It means at the outset of the Millennium, for some years, Christ returns in glory, and He starts working with Judah first, and tells the rest of the nations, “Don’t come to Jerusalem for several years, because I’m going to work with the Jews first. Now…I’m going to hit you with droughts and plagues, and you are going to die, if you don’t come to Jerusalem, but…come to think of it, I am going to do that, and I don’t really want you here, because I am going to save Judah first. That will take years!” Imagine now…You have all the nations of the world…and He tells them, “Back off. Sit down and twiddle your thumbs for years, because I am going to save Judah first”… or, you are left with only one other option—I’m going to save the nation of Judah way before the Tribulation as we’ve understood it in the past.
In order to build this new temple there needs to be skilled craftsmen and loads of supervisors.  Two guesses as to whom the supervisors will be....
You might even stop and think for a moment. In order to build the second temple, you needed two prophets, Haggai and Zechariah; you needed the high priest, Jeshua, who is later called Joshua; you needed a Jewish governor, named Zerubbabel, to build a very small house with a third as many people working on it, a little over half as long as Solomon’s…and you needed them all to live in Jerusalem to do it, with 50,000 Jews helping. Right? So, we’re going to see a greater house than Solomon’s, which needed 153,600 and 3,600 supervisors…… 
The question that needs to be asked is why did God not reveal to HWA all of this truth when he restored the "truth" after it had been lost for 1,900 years?  What is it just now being revealed.

Well, Superfantabulous Dave has the answer!
Now, by the way, here or any other time is no better than another…Why would God wait so long to tell us this great element of Bands, and how Christ is coming also to a physical temple? Why wouldn’t He tell us that years ago? Here’s why. We would have been dismissive of all the dualities. We would have never considered all the elements of the spiritual house. We would have missed all of it—all of the last three years. We would have of just bounded right over that, and just been thinking about Judah and the physical temple, and so forth. We wouldn’t have understood it.
Dave has this to say about Herbert Armstrong:
Now, nobody is weak or stupid because we didn’t understand this. Mr. Armstrong is one of the greatest human beings, I think, in many ways, who ever lived. I’m going to show you again, by the way, I think his role was even greater than we thought. He was not Elijah, he was Moses. That’s greater—my opinion. I don’t know what he would say, but that’s what I would say. I’m going to show you his role was greater in another way, a little later on. I hope I have time to get to it today. If not, I guess we wait a week. 
You can read this convoluted mess here:  The Greatest Story Never Told, Part 3

29 comments:

Anonymous said...


“You can read this convoluted mess here: ....”


With all the convoluted messes that all the false prophets like Flurry, Pack, Weinland, Thiel and others are coming up with, the minds of thousands of their followers will be a convoluted mess.

Anonymous said...

David pack is obviously getting the anti christ mixed up with Jesus Christ second coming. Dave will be embraceling the anti christ. I'm sure he won't be the only COG so called leaders to do so.

Byker Bob said...

I don't understand the Armstrongite mind.
How is it that people left WCG to join splinter groups because they would not accept changes from the Tkaches, yet they now accept all of the changes now being taught by their splinter group leaders? I mean is it a sabbath thing? Is it ok to make changes so long as you retain the sabbath, or British Israelism? Wouldn't it make better sense to change things that have been proven false like British Israelism? As I say, it's nearly impossible to understand the Armstrongite mind!

BB

Maggie said...

Pack is clearly suffering from some extreme forms of mental illness. I suspect he's always had some mental illness, just from what I've read of his past ministries. But since his wife passed he has no governor, so he's getting worse and worse. I will not be surprised if it turns out he has a brain tumor or something of that nature. His ramblings are becoming more disjointed and his behavior more volatile. It's like watching the gradual progression of a physical ailment. Very strange and sad for the members who have no recourse except to leave the church community entirely, giving up all of their social support systems. I grieve for the members. Imagine how hopeless and stuck they must feel. I pray for the members and for their healing so they can recover from this type of spiritual abuse. They won't have an easy row to hoe as Restored selfdestructs into tatters. This is a sad story.

Anonymous said...

The man is, at long last, incoherent.

Connie Schmidt said...

Pack is a religious QUACK!

Opinionated said...

Jim Jones in the making?

Anonymous said...

The craziness just gets worse and worse. We were deluded back there in Worldwide, but this is stark raving madness.

Allen D. Dexter

Anonymous said...


David Pack's continually changing teachings in his RCG are good examples of how a false prophet just makes things up as he goes along.

Anonymous said...

Dave is not a false prophet. He's a mentally ill man who thinks he's an Apostle/prophet. Nothing of what he thinks will actually occur

Anonymous said...

He has to continue to make things up, more and more fabulous than before. Otherwise, what excitement awaits next weeks sermon.

Anonymous said...


Even if you do not mind yourself being destroyed by David Pack, do you really want it on your conscience that you helped him to destroy other people? The same goes for Gerald Flurry, Ronald Weinland, Robert Thiel, and all the other false prophets out there.

Hoss said...

I've always wondered why the RCG logo contained what looked like part of the Temple.

As I've said, the WCG never had a correct understanding of the Temple, Levites, Aaronice priesthood, etc. But they did hold to the teaching that the Third Temple had to be built. One of the first Plain Truths I received had an article that such a project was in the making.

But building a Temple puts so many years between now and the end-time events -- it just doesn't work in the safe 3 to 5 years scenario...

Senior Citizen said...

If Herb was Moses, then who was Moses?

Anonymous said...

Dave notes: It begins…
“Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, [now that is Jerusalem] in the mountain of his holiness”… [The ‘mountain of His holiness’ is Mount Moriah or Mount Zion, sometimes called Zion and Mount Zion—the holy mountain is, it says,] “Beautiful for situation…[More than you will have ever imagined, those three words will jump forward in your thinking.]…the joy of the whole earth…[That is an extraordinary statement.]…is Mount Zion, on the sides of the north…” (Psa. 48:1-2).

Mt Zion is a bump on the south side of the city. It is not big. It is not tall. It is not even all that unique or attractive. Authors exaggerate. It is no different from the surrounding hills and they are just hills.

It is not the joy of all the land nor the joy of all the earth. It's a dirt pile

Anonymous said...

Pack says

Turn to Zechariah, chapter 12. Some of you are going to immediately leap ahead in your mind, and I guess that is okay, but I am going to move at a speed where the entire Church can understand what I call “awesome, awesome, awesome” understanding. Throw in a couple of “incredibles,”

Uh oh...slow traffic ahead. This could take some time. There won't be any speed involved in this if the less than stellar in their intelligence have to grasp it too, along with those who jump ahead and tail end reality. .

Anonymous said...

Mr Pack meets Freud and slips

"Author’s note: A reminder—The reader will be greatly helped by seeing this visually through use of the timeline. Consider reading ALL 50 PLUS POINTS WITH IT LYING IN FRONT OF YOU. Slowly, slowly, slowly, and then eventually at a point in the series very rapidly, everything will fall into place and make the whole picture of Bible prophecy literally EASY to understand.]"

At least he is man enough to admit its a lie.

Hoss said...

...the Third Temple had to be built

HWA withdrew his promotion of a Temple in 1969 after realizing the "New Truth" provided by Denis Rohan.

Bob Thiel claimed that HWA "never taught" that a Temple must be built. In a post-June 1967 Plain Truth editorial, HWA stated the Jews had only a short time left to build the Temple. And he meant it had to be completed before 1972. But, as we all know, he never set dates...

Byker Bob said...

Lack of said temple in '72 was a major clue that maybe Herbie's prophecy timeline was a smidge inaccurate. Of course they didn't express it like that, they proclaimed "Brethren, it appears that God has given us more time to get the work done!" (Toothy grin). And, then if you fast forward the tape, the WCG splinters, never again being a force, and Evangelicals begin to systematically plot out and preach to all the nations in which the gospel has not yet been preached.

BB

Anonymous said...

Maggie, and many members have been robbed blind. Many will lose their homes when they can't repay the home mortgage loans that they donated to Dave. A disaster as you say. It's so bad, I struggle with what to pray about for these members. Just about everything is wrong, and next to nothing is right.

Minimalist said...

Byker Bob said...
".. God has given us more time to get the work done!" (Toothy grin)

................ and the congregation were appeased (Gap-Toothy grins)

Anonymous said...

I suspected building the Ambassador Auditorium in 71 was an indication HWA was not very confident in 72-75

Hoss said...

an indication HWA was not very confident in 72-75

Non-WCG family members asked me about that. I tried to cover with something like the Work must go on to the end...

Anonymous said...

Of course Herbie wasn't very confident of 72-75. The holy spirit confirmed my suspicion that the reason Herbie came up with these dates, was to coerce God to return at that time to cover up the failure of international communism, which was becoming obvious at that time. Herbie was a commie. He adapted commie tyranny in the church (his 'government is everything'), and preached retribution of wealth with his incessant 'give, help, serve.' He outwardly opposed communism, but that was him opposing one particular gang, in this case, the Soviet gang, which would have forbidden him from playing church. He rejected Christ for Stalin. It still permeates all the slivers. For instance, the word brethren is used in place of comrade, and ministers treat members like children.

Anonymous said...


There is currently much confusion regarding the RCG's teachings, and much wondering about what David Pack will change next. Can you count on any RCG teachings to be the same next week? This is not as difficult to figure out as some might think. Thousands of pages of RCG literature and hundreds of hours of DCP sermons can be distilled into the following brief summary to get at the essence of the skunk:


RCG teachings that are now pretty much set in stone and will probably never go away:

You must pay various tithes, give generous offerings, and send in building fund donations to the RCG.

You must do continual fund-raising for the RCG.

You must remortgage your house, or sell it, and send the money to the RCG.

You must obediently send 'common' to the RCG--“or no salvation if you don't.”

You must get bank loans, and credit card cash advances, and send the money to the RCG.


RCG teachings that could totally change, at any time, without warning:

Everything else.

Anonymous said...

Does God need Dave ?

Byker Bob said...

Well, this is just a suggestion (and I don't agree with Aron Ra), but the next time Aron puts together a video rebutting Dave Pack, he ought to pipe a few farting noises into the Dave Pack sound bytes. And then flash on himself and Dennis looking incredulous, smirking, and shaking their heads. Someone posted some Hillary videos on You Tube using this technique, and they were absolutely hillaryous!

BB

Anonymous said...

"Sanhedrin Calls on Trump and Putin to Rebuild Temple"
What? no comments!, on a armstrong blog?
I must bite my tongue,...for now.

BB, I assume you saw the video too?
Although Dennis looks kind of different in that video.

DBP

Anonymous said...

Anon at 1:07 PM wrote, "Herbie was a commie."

Is that you again, TradieDude? Or, have you won a convert and become an "army of two"?