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Anonymous said...

your wrong about dogs

Richard said...

Have you seen this - posted on Twitter today:

https://twitter.com/ucgobservations/status/463022819820191745

Have to wonder how long that account will be allowed to operate....

Anonymous said...

Anyone else not finding The Shining Light website? I haven't been able to pull it up in a couple of days!

NO2HWA said...

It is there at this address. Malm has reinvented his site and lost all kinds of readers.


http://theshininglight.info

seekingtruth7 said...

@NO2HWA...that's the address I've been using. I even copied and pasted yours and it still comes up as if the site no longer exists. I'm not having trouble with any other sites, but I'll keep checking. Thank you!

seekingtruth7 said...

@NO2HWA...somehow Chrome is not allowing this page to load. I tried Firefox and it does fine. I'm not in agreement with his site, it's just interesting at times and he seems to have some inside info on other COGs! Thank you again!

NO2HWA said...

you may need to dump your cookies and history and then hot the page again. It went for 4 days without working and then it started again.

NO2HWA said...

Try this other way to get into the page. This is his other site:

http://godourlight.info/

Gideon said...

Need know IF your quote: Armstrong's wife's blocked bowel statement kosher?! Date of memo to members please. Have copy to show on your website?

Gideon said...

Prove your quotes from Armstrong's letter are kosher! Date etc!

Anonymous said...

Why are you trying to tear the Church apart?
Christ warned us about men like you, that would try to cause riffs in the end days.
You, sir, have "forgotten your first love."
The Church should be uniting now.
Just remember His warning...."you will be as if you never were."
You are being and causing a "stumbling block".
You are being what Satan loves...a deceiver of the TRUTH!!!

Anonymous said...

This might make a good article, especially if it affects the Flurry group:
http://www.theufochronicles.com/2013/09/biblical-plague-of-shrieking-crickets.html

Anonymous said...

Fascinating material for me, an ex-WCG member (24 years) in California... of course I must sift the wheat from the chaff.

Anonymous said...

Please read comments under thit post from WG Smith of the Living Church:
https://wallacegsmith.wordpress.com/2014/12/18/some-thoughts-on-the-sony-hack-and-canceling-the-interview/#comments
WGS says his congragations are "bursting at the seams" wit growth.
I'm hopin he continue to comment on Stan's post.

Anonymous said...

I was born into the Armstrong Cult during the Summer of Love. I spent what was, in retrospect, the relatively innocent period of the 1970's Petra-fied (insiders will get it) by the apocalyptic visions of HWA and his minions.

Many of the cultural oddities inflicted on my family and friends came down from on high (dictation of hair --and skirt-- length and style, carob good - chocolate bad, instructions on how a woman was to bend over to retrieve dropped items without overly exciting the men, prohibitions on everything from rock music to makeup) were minor lifestyle irritants relayed to us on a weekly basis by a minister who delighted in controlling and dictating the everyday details of our lives. We realized that most of these things were coming straight down from on high at the whim of headquarters. God was leading Mr. Armstrong (snigger), and with a very firm hand, Mr. Armstrong made it clear to us that he was leading "his ministers," who would in turn lead us lesser sheeple. To defy or question the judgment of the minister therefore was to defy and question God.

I don't know why I therefore thought that Bob League's infamous Donkey Sex sermon was an exception to this rule. A ministerial aberration. The Donkey Sex sermon wasn't his first sermon on sexual deviance, and it certainly wouldn't be his last. I confess to being somewhat surprised to later learn that similar sermons alerting the membership to the very real and present danger of bestiality had been a relatively widespread WCG phenomenon. I should have known. One ex-member suggested that perhaps this sermon had been prompted by someone at HQ who attended a certain...ahem..."donkey show" in Tijuana. Now there's something that bears contemplating.

I can't have been more than four or five when I first learned --from the pulpit -- about the improper usage of donkeys by the vile, sinful female sex. I know I was that young because I was still relegated (for the duration of a weekly 2-hour sermon) to a blanket on the cold concrete floor of a drafty high school auditorium, along with the rest of my generation. I remember staring at the green, orange and white pattern of my baby quilt and thinking to myself that young though I may be, I did not think what our minister was describing was suitable subject matter for the mixed company represented by our 700+ congregation of young and old.

With the benefit of age and wisdom, I actually have to chuckle when I think of the horrified squirming of a captive audience of elderly men and women as they listened to the painfully graphic descriptions of what not to do with a donkey. Is it funny? I don't know. I just know if you don't laugh, you'll cry.

Anonymous said...

Apparently Melvin Rhodes is no longer "banned" by UCG, at least for public proclamation. He has a prominent blog post on the front page of UCG.org today about P.M. Netanyahu's speech to Congress.

Also: have you seen the letters section of The Journal #170 - where some "Ambassador" disfellowshipped the paper over Old English fonts?

If I didn't know better, I'd think the whole thing was satire - and it might be, but I've been around COG's too long to assume that.

Anonymous said...

The prayer section of the COG-based website Haggai114.net currently has this:

> John A. Pinkston is serving a prison sentence in Georgia, his wife is Anita; <

I confirmed tonight this is the John Pinkston who founded the Congregation of God Seventh Day, outside Atlanta. I think it's a spinoff of Church of God Intl. For more than a decade he hosted the "Watch America" radio broadcast, preaching prophecy and standard Armstrong/COG doctrines. (It had a late-night Saturday slot on WWL-AM.)

The Watch America website is now taken down, "parked" with GoDaddy (whatever that means). The Congregation's website has become very bare-bones, and a search for "Pinkston" tonight brought up nothing.

So what put Mr. Pinkston in prison, a la Ron Weinland? I'm not sure. The pastor who confirmed this to me only called it a "sad situation". Perhaps you can investigate it and fill in the details.

NO2HWA said...

Pinkston was found guilty of two child molestations and was sent to prison for 20 years. Read more here. http://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2015/07/john-aubrey-pinkston-former-wcg.html

Anonymous said...

Shame on me. I was in a hurry, and didn't scroll down to see you'd already posted the details. Apologies for that, and thank you.

R.L. said...

Sad news going around UCG Feast sites. Long-time evangelist Robert Fahey died Monday night. He was staying home after heart treatment (as best I recall), and had been expected to recover. Alas, he did not.

Anonymous said...

dear sir or madam,

Are we not supposed to expose evil but at the same time examine ourselves critically? You reek of hypocrisy.

You should be ashamed, the Church members have the adversary and his demons attacking them already why would you add yourself to that side.

Strengthen and chastise the Church in a manner that is beneficial to followers of the Messiah.

Your website looks like it is made and edited by the adversary and that says enough!

I say this to your shame!

Pam said...

I am the webauthor of the Field Guide to the Wild World of Religion at
http://www.isitso.org/guide/ . The website has extensive research and commentary on religious groups and leaders which use abusive and/or deceptive methods to attract and keep followers. I have had over a million visitors since it was put up on the web in 2001.

As a former member of the Worldwide Church of God (1968-1978) and the Church of God, International (1978-1988...my husband was a pastor of a CGI group for seven years) I have a particular interest in providing documentation and commentary on the Armstrong movement. The Field Guide has an extensive section on the Radio/Worldwide Church of God and its offshoots which begins at
http://www.isitso.org/guide/wcg.html .

I also have a blog called "Meet MythAmerica" which contains research, documentation, and commentary on aspects of American history which have been commonly glossed over. https://meetmythamerica.wordpress.com/

I share all the above to lead up to calling attention to the latest series of blog entries on the Meet MythAmerica blog, titled "The Wonderful World Tomorrow--What It WON'T Be Like." Those familiar with the WCG will recognize the title as a take-off on one of Herbert Armstrong's most requested booklets back in his heyday. The 11-part series documents in particular the sordid story of Armstrong's astoundingly racist approach during the era of the American Civil Rights Movement.

I am convinced that most members of WCG offshoot groups are utterly clueless about what Armstrong actually taught about race relations. His record in this area has been totally white-washed since his death by those who still promote his legacy. The story needs to be told. I hope this documentation will be shared far and wide. The series begins at the following link address.

https://meetmythamerica.wordpress.com/2015/05/10/the-wonderful-world-tomorrow-what-it-wont-be-like-intro/

I'm not sure how to make the links in this comment section "clickable." So lease just copy and paste any of the weblinks above into your browser's address box.

Thanks for considering this material, and passing along the links if you feel they would be of interest to your own circle of contacts.

Pam Dewey
oasis7@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

This may be a sad time to submit this, but here's an address to Google-map if you wish (probably best for all if it's kept private):

1195 Shayler Woods Drive, Batavia, OH

This is the address for sending get-well cards to the ailing Roy Holladay. After reading some of the reports on this site of top COG ministers' homes, I could not resist calling it up. What I saw admittedly has me wondering.

R.L. said...

Sad and stunning discovery in the death of a high school football player who collapsed during a game in western Kansas. His Dad is an Ambassador College theology grad.

Check Facebook for "David Schemm".

Anonymous said...

Interesting story posted about Danny Thomas, the WWCGer who had a brief career in major league baseball in the 70's and came to a bad end.

http://shepherdexpress.com/blog-12500-the-strange-story-of-the-sundown-kid-troubled-milwaukee-phenom-danny-thomas.html

R.L. said...

Big surprise about "Born to Win." Only weeks after the death of Ron Dart, his radio show has been picked up by a big national mainstream Christian network - and seven days a week, at that!

http://www.csnradio.com/news/

Anonymous said...

Any news on RCG and the first dominion?

Anonymous said...

Guess last saturday, the PCG told their congregation that if they have children of the age of or older to be baptized and are not, they are to dissolve them from their lives. Any and all children or relations that they are okay to correspond with are only baptized members, or younger children being brought up in the church. Sad.

Anonymous said...

Dr. Bob Thiel had it right ...

The Scarborough trial is set for Tuesday, September 06, 2016

Civil Calendars for MECKLENBURG County
Superior Court:

http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/data/MECKLENBURG/civil/SEPTEMBER.6.2016/S.__TO_BE_ASSIGNED.6150.10_00_.TRIALS.txt

Scroll down to #8

Anonymous said...

This blog post easily could have been written about ACOGS. Hits the nail right on the head and is a good explanation as to why a lot of ex ACOGS members turn atheist or agnostic.

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/11/psychological-harms-of-bible-believing-christianity/

Sweetblood777 said...

Joan Griffith
Yesterday at 12:51am ·

Update note received:
"Hello Everyone,
"This is just an update on Ian Boyne’s current health condition. I received a call from Chris H a deacon in the Kingston Jamaica church, informing me that yesterday Ian left services early and admitted himself into the hospital. He claimed he was feeling some heart burn only to be diagnosed as having a heart attack. since then over the last 12-15 hours he has had 3 additional heart attacks––a total of 4. He presently is in ICU in very serious condition. the family has been called to the hospital this morning––12-3-17..
"Please keep Ian and the family in your prayers and pass the word so we can get him on our prayer list. As we gain more information we will pass it on.

"Thanks… Bill W."

Anonymous said...

Any news on Dave Pack's health? I seem to remember that he was concerned about it several months ago.

Anonymous said...

This was posted by Kieren Underwood on theTrumpet.com website. He was subsequently fired and marked by the church for standing up to their injustices.

Hello all,

I have been writing for theTrumpet.com for nearly three years, and have been a student at Herbert W. Armstrong College for nearly four. Many of you have spoken with me at services, invited me to your homes, and been my friends.

But let me tell you a little bit about what I’ve learned.

If you don’t believe any of the following, check DTSearch to see for yourself. Or better yet, go to the library in the Hall of Administration and check the physical Plain Truth archives.

No man knows “the day or the hour” of Christ’s return, right? Well, Mr. Armstrong thought he did.

• In 1934, Mr. Armstrong said the “Day of the Lord” would begin in 1936. (see attachment for his diagram)
• "...the year 1936 will see the end of the Times of the Gentiles.... we may expect the present worldwide depression, time of trouble and fear of war to continue until the year 1936!... quickly after that time, we may expect to see the heavenly signs of the sun and moon becoming dark, the stars falling.... which shall be followed by the ‘Day of the Lord.’" (The Plain Truth, June-July 1934, Herbert Armstrong, p. 5)

• In 1940, he said it was 3-4 years away:
• "...Armageddon, we believe, must be at least three or four years away..." ("Democracy Doomed!" The Plain Truth, April-May 1940, Herbert W. Armstrong)

• In 1953, according to Dr. Hoeh’s chronologies, HWA said it would probably come no later than 1982.
• "Now HERE IS SOMETHING STARTLING! Herman Hoeh, in his eye-opening article you will read in the June number of The PLAIN TRUTH on the Times of the Gentiles shows that the Times of the Gentiles—if chronologies are correct—will come to their final end in the year 1982." ...
• "IF THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES END IN 1982, in October, as Mr. Hoeh has it figured, THE INVASION OF AMERICA AND THE GREAT TRIBULATION MUST BEGIN NOT LATER THAT MARCH-APRIL, 1972!" (Herbert W. Armstrong, Co-Worker letter, May 22, 1953)

• In 1969, it was only 25 years off.
• "If that unseen Hand does not exist, humanity will not survive on earth another 25 years, or less! …” (The Ambassador College Correspondence Course, Lesson 5, 1969, p. 15)

Mr. Armstrong made—literally—hundreds of these false predictions. (See: https://hwarmstrong.com/prophet-1.htm or http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/mike_ep/exam/dates.htm) Between 1934 and 1946, he prophesied that: the plagues of Joel would occur in 1935, Mussolini and Hitler were the 7th resurrection of HRE, WWII was the last war—leading to Armageddon, Mussolini (and later, Hitler) would unite the 10 kings of Europe, Hitler would “inflict terrible Tribulation upon God’s saints,” etc.

Mr. Flurry (“raising the ruins”) continues in this manner:

• Remember it was to be “one generation” after the death of HWA that Christ returned? Well, it’s been 32 years.
• It was the “last hour” in 2001. And then it was the “last half of the last hour” in 2008. Let me do some quick math… (The back of the textbook says: 2015)
• In a sermon in 2008, during PYC, Mr. Flurry said he believed the Tribulation would be here in “five years or less.” Go ahead, check your notes.
• Remember the “Hebrews” revelation? Three or four years, right? Start counting down.
• I hear that in the last ministerial conference, Mr. Flurry said it could be as soon as one year! Boy, better pack your bags!

Ask yourself, how many times have I heard, “it’s only a few short years”?

Remember President Obama was the Antiochus? (By the way, I’ll give $1000 to the person who can tell me where the Bible mentions THREE end-time Antiochus-like figures—you know, the church, political, and European ones.) Well, I guess the world didn’t end with Obama, so it’s time for Jeroboam!


Anonymous said...

Continued from Underwood's letter

Yes, Jeroboam is surely President Trump. Never mind that there were TWO Jeroboams who ruled Israel. Jeroboam I turned Israel away from God (around 920 BC). Jeroboam II was the one who Amos prophesied against (around 780 BC). They are separated by nearly 140 years. Can someone tell me which Jeroboam is Mr. Trump? Also, set your countdown, because when Mr. Trump doesn’t send you to Jerusalem, this church is finished.

But what about Brexit? Remember that 1956 quote on the front cover of the Trumpet: “Britain will not be part of it”? Guess where it came from. A book published in 1956 called “1975 in Prophecy.” Let me give you another quote from that book. Mr. Armstrong was writing of the famines which would hit America: “Indications of prophecy are that this drought ... will strike sooner than 1975— probably between 1965 and 1972!” Go ahead and check the book yourself—it’s on DTSearch. And the internet (http://www.herbert-armstrong.org/Books%20&%20Booklets/1975%20in%20Prophecy%20(1956).pdf).

Modern-day Assyria is Germany, right? How do you know? Really, how do you know? Did you research it? Only a handful of people in this church could even give a semblance of an answer. (Maybe send Mr. Palmer or Mr. Vejil an email.) Perhaps they might mutter something about “they’re both warlike.” Mr. Armstrong spent a whole TWO sentences proving it in “The United States and Britain in Prophecy.” Go ahead, ask the people in your congregation how they know. Better yet, ask it as a Spokesman Club topics question. Or even better still, go ask one of those confused people in the Assyrian Church of the East. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Church_of_the_East) They’re so deceived (Rev 12:9) they don’t even know what race they are! (Attached is a critique of theTrumpet.com’s “The Remarkable Identity of the German People.”)

But Mr. Armstrong “restored all things,” right? Have a look at the Christadelphians—founded in 1848. Doctrines include: Bible is inspired word of God; rejection of Trinity; Father and Son are separate; Kingdom of God is to be set up on earth; reject immortality of the soul; death is merely sleeping for saints; full-immersion baptism; Christ will reign on earth 1000 years; must keep commandments; hell is just the grave; mainstream Christianity has been paganized. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christadelphians#Beliefs)

Mr. Armstrong restored all these things—except that they were already established … 40 years before he was born.

But he gave us the “master key” for prophecy, right? The United States and Britain are Manasseh and Ephraim, right? Did you know that theory was created in 1794, and was most popular in the 1870s? It’s called British-Israelism. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism) And just like the Assyria-Germany theory, you probably don’t know much of the details. Did you check the Irish annals yourself? Did you check to see whether Tea-Tephi was a real person, or just made up? (“Tea Tephi” is NEVER mentioned in Irish history. She is a combination of two real people: one called “Tea” and the other “Tephi.”) And did you know that “Tephi” is called a “daughter of Pharoah” in one of the only times she is mentioned in the Irish annals? Did you know that Ollam Fodla (apparently Jeremiah) is mentioned in the Irish legends as a native “Milesian king”? And that he lived around 1000 BC (not 500 BC)? Did you check? Or did you take Mr. Armstrong’s word as gospel? See David Baron for a critique of British-Israelism—written in 1915! (https://archive.org/details/historyoftenlost00barouoft)

Are you afraid to check? Wouldn’t want to check with the “scholars.” Oh yes, vain “scholarship” is a code word, meaning “disagrees with Mr. Armstrong.”

Have you read Mr. Flurry’s “True History of God’s True Church”? Why not compare it with Andrew Dugger’s and Clarence O. Dodd’s “A History of the True Church” (1936). They are virtually the same.

Anonymous said...

What about Malachi’s Message? Hundreds of you have told me you knew it was “the word of God.” Have you heard of the book “The Letter to Laodicea,” which was published--in stages--from 1986 to 1988? Jules Dervaes, who wrote it, began mailing them to WCG members in 1988—and even sent a copy to Mr. Flurry. (http://thehiddenyears.org/1990/09/26/letter-to-mr-flurry-from-jules-dervaes/)

Try reading the book of Malachi. Maybe—just maybe—could it be that when it talks about “the covenant with Levi,” it actually means Levi? No, no, it must be Herbert W. Armstrong. Could Jacob and Esau really be talking about Jacob and Esau? No, no, it must be talking about Jacobite and Edomite LAODICEANS. Remember everyone, “the word of Mr. Armstrong and Mr. Flurry is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword…” (Hebrews 4:12).
But Elijah must come and restore all things, right? Try reading Matthew 17:12 (without Mr. Flurry whispering commentary in your ear). “But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed.” Jesus is screaming at you: “I said he already came! How much clearer could I be?!”

New Throne, New Stone? Hmmm… why is the British throne still around? Oh, right, it’s corrupt and crumbling, according to Mr. Flurry. The evidence? Prince Harry shenanigans, marrying Meghan Markle, and trying to help people’s mental health (how terrible!). How about Henry VIII having 6 wives and killing 2 of them? What about Mary 1 (“Bloody Mary”) trying to establish Catholicism in England and killing Christians? (That’s nothing compared to Meghan Markle!)

What about our book “He Was Right”? Here’s the secret on how we produced that book: (1) find predictions Mr. Armstrong made, (2) ignore every prediction that was wrong, and (3) write about every prediction that may come true in the future.

The whole theTrumpet.com website is an exercise in this type of logic. We scour the news for events that look like fulfilled prophecy (this is called selection bias). We ignore everything that does not fit with our framework (this is called dishonesty). You then read it and believe it (this is called confirmation bias).

Mr. Flurry often says, “We have been warning American and Britain for 80 years!” He should be saying, “We have been wrong for 80 years.”

I will no doubt be “marked” for this email. I might even get a mention in a sermon or two. They will say, “He is inspired by Satan.” They will warn you, “Look at how clever and powerful the devil is.” But they will not address the facts. They will not give a rebuttal—that would be too dangerous.

But will you prove all things? (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Many of you have been my friends for years. This college has taught me many things. Its teachers have been generous and kind. This church does many wonderful things—I have many good memories.

But one thing it does not do well is tell the truth.

I hereby renounce every article I have ever written for theTrumpet.com.

If you have any questions, please email me at: kierenjunderwood@gmail.com. Or for more information, see: http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/. Please forward this email to anyone who you think needs to read it.

(I have scans of the Plain Truth from 1934-1946, where HWA makes all kinds of prophecies about 1936, World War II, and Mussolini and Hitler as the “last resurrection of the HRE,” if anyone would like to see them.)

Thanks for reading,

KIEREN UNDERWOOD
EDITORIAL
theTrumpet.com | Edstone Hall | Wootton Wawen, B95 6DD
Tel: +44 01789 581910 |
kjunderwood@HWACollege.org

Anonymous said...

Since many of us still attend with one of the groups, this may be a good topic:

https://www.tms.edu/blog/how-long-should-a-sermon-be/

People in other churches realize 60 to 80 minutes may be far too long for most people.

Tim S said...

In references to prophecies about the end of the world by HWA and team, my parents, who lived in Pasadena at the time, were told in 1960 not to have any children. Matthew 24:19 was the verse so often used. I am glad that they did not listen. I was born in 1962 and am still waiting for the end of the world. I have a daughter that is now 29 years old.

So much for predicting the end of the world. If we read Ezekiel 13:9 and Jeremiah 23:16 we find that HWA, Herman Hoeh, and many others in WCG leadership roles met the qualifications of false prophets.

Speaking of false offices in "the church," Acts 1:12-26

Anonymous said...

sermon length suggestion again - how about a poll on preferred length - use 10 minute increments starting with 10 all the way up to 120.

I would like to see how many others in COG churches think we go on too long.
I feel if a sermon is not memorable it becomes painful endurance.