The Dilemma Of A Self-Appointed Prophet

 

Prophets in the Church of God do not know when to keep their mouths shut. For many years Bob Thiel has been bad-mouthing Living Church of God leaders, but needs them at times to justify his imagined prophethood status:

He identified his religious superiors as outright liars and unable to discern the truth, but these same men were somehow able to correctly and truthfully discern him as being a prophet. So the modern day COG prophets source their information and facts from liars and Laodiceans, or in Dave Pack's instance - the Devil himself, and then pronounce and establish concrete truth? I am having a hard time understanding these modern day prophets.

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Dave Pack: Boxed In

 

From an RCG source:

Throughout most of his (the many) proclamations, Dave Pack often says God was working with him, revealing things. But when things go wrong, sometimes he didn’t realize that he had other things to see, or that God was still revealing things.

When Part 285 dropped and the latest prophetic failures happened on the weekend of Feb. 5th, Dave didn’t leave much wiggle room to reinterpret what God told him. As seen by the quotes below.

So the question is, if Dave received a revelation from God, and Mr. Pack was the direct pipe from the Creator to the intended audience, then why did God give us the wrong message?

You really only have two options:

1. The direct message from an all powerful divine Creator was wrong
2. This is a direct message from Dave and he is wrong

Verbatim from Part 285:

(Dave Pack on his inspirations for Friday, February 5th return of Christ) 1:28:13

"It all hit me suddenly, God just streamed the list that I am going to read to you, and it was typed exactly as I got it, through my mind, without notes or a Bible. So it's exactly what I said, my staff taper ecorded it. I told them, I just began to see things, and I told the staff "Turn on the tape recording and do not interrupt me and then type it just as you heard it." So here's what I said yesterday afternoon pacing the boardroom because it struck me.

(At the end of his list) 1:46:45

"Like the sermon you already heard before this conclusion, all of this did not quite line up until the full picture came into view. And it's [this inspiration] a divine act, if all these prophecies are at stake, can God let me mess up? He had to just sort just of stream it into me. Having the time to process all of this is crucial and it is essential to the last message that all of us know that all of our relatives will be arriving with Jesus Christ and the rest of the saints. Again, you can see God in the process. I was telling the ministers, "Don't think of me as a genius, but it's ok if you do, I mean I am going to fight you," [laughs] I am going to have a little humor at the end here. I was no different than the typist who put it out. I just [spitting sound] spat it out and they just typed it out, I am a conduit, I am a pipe, [from God] I truly see myself that way.

As an open question to any minister or member in RCG, how do you justify the fact that your God, got this divine revelation wrong? If it wasn’t God, then why and how did His Apostle and Messenger get it wrong?

In the coming weeks, members in your congregation will ask, “If Mr. Pack is a pipeline to the Father, then why was the Father’s message wrong?” In the coming years, your children will ask “When you saw all these obviously wrong things happen, why didn’t you act? Why didn’t you protect us from this man?” What will your answer be? My job at HQ was too important? I didn’t look closely enough at his proof? I didn’t really put much stock in his prophetic teachings anyways?

• Will your future self be satisfied with those answers? 

• Will your children be satisfied with those answers?

What we are seeing in RCG is the endless cycle of false Armstrongist prophecies unfold before our eyes. While it happens in all the groups, RCG is just the most obvious place to see it.

There is no better time to reclaim your life and reject heresy.

Gerald Flurry: If You Got Upset Over My Failed Prophecy Then You Probably Needed To Be Upset...What????

 

Not only do we have Dave Pack lying through his teeth right now, but we also have Gerald Flurry. After Flurry made a royal Mannassite ass of himself in declaring that Trump would be reelected, he is doubling down on his lies just as Dave Pack is.

Flurry is so arrogant in his self-righteousness that he blames everyone else around him for not understanding why his prophecy failed. If people were upset by its failure then maybe they needed to be upset. What?????? COG leaders never take any responsibility for their actions and always blame others.

Flurry, like Pack and Thiel, claim that they and they alone are conduits for God's messages to the church. New revelation is constantly streaming out of them and is always something never heard before in the entire span of Christianity. Apparently, we are supposed to look upon these charlatans as inspired.

From Exit and Support Network

February 4, 2021 

 

GF recently denied that what he said was a prophecy, but only “words” that he said. (“This is not a failed prophecy, it’s not a prophecy at all. It’s what ‘I’ said”) This was in his January 23 sermon. 

 

He also said, “Everybody has to be”tried and tested” and even brought out that, “Maybe some of our co-workers need to be shaken up by something like this (the false prophecy). Maybe that’s exactly what they need.” 

 

He keeps trying to cover over his lies. He said he was “sorry for upsetting some people–unless that’s what God wants done.” It’s never a genuine apology. He even said, “The Apostles were 2,000 years off” and then chuckled about it. 

 

He was filled with so much vanity in this January 23 sermon (“Where Are We in Bible Prophecy? Pt. 2”) and boasted, “There has been all kinds of new revelation given to me–over 50 books and booklets have new revelation that God has given to ME.” He said there were no such people besides himself where you could get new revelation. 

 

He always talks about how God wants them to ROAR out of Zion and if they do that then God will take them to a place of safety. The only “roaring” I’ve ever heard is when he raises his voice and starts yelling. Who wants to hear that? But that is supposed to be part of the “power” he’s always talking about. 

 

He doesn’t even talk about Christ saving us and coming into our lives but said, “God is going to come back and slaughter them all and then start a new civilization.” That’s the kind of Christ he worships. –From PCG source

Super Bowl wishes to Bob Thiel from Jesus

 

Dave Pack's Reign of Terror: "God backs me even if I am wrong."

Pack has terrorized the brethren for more than FORTY YEARS! His antics have been going on for that long and yet, neither the WCG or Global/ Living ever tried to stop him. Obviously, a KOOK like Pack can find refuge in a system that does not have an accountability or "flushing system". Any organization has about a necessity of replacing about 7% of its work force each year because of performance problems.

The COGs rarely ever fire someone, and just move idiots around.

THE FOLLOWING WAS PRINTED IN THE AMBASSADOR REPORT 36 YEARS AGO IN 1985! Nothing was done then, and should have! ...

David Pack's Reign of Terror

On the night of Roxanne Elliott's death, one of the last people - probably the very last one - Lois Elliott phoned before the tragedy was WCG minister David Pack, pastor of the Buffalo (North), New York congregation.. Exactly what was said, we don't know. At least not yet. That information may well come out should Lois Elliott ever recover sufficiently to stand trial. What is remarkable, however, is how often Pack's name seems to appear in conjunction with tragedies in the WCG. For a number of years now, no WCG minister's name has appeared more often in letters written to the Report complaining of ministerial abuse.

Pack, a burly 6-foot, 5-inch Ambassador College graduate known locally for his authoritarian style, has so incensed some in his flock that a group have circulated an open letter detailing his abuses and have called for his removal. The letter describes Pack's ministerial leadership as a "Reign of Terror." On the cover page, addressed to WCG headquarters leaders, they wrote: "David's power-crazed quest to totally dominate the mind, body, and spirit of church members has not been done in a corner and has been done clearly in view of all to see at headquarters in Pasadena."

On the following 13 pages of their letter the allegations about Pack read like a horror story. The authors contend that Pack constantly intimidates members, uses threats and mind-control methods, is given to extreme emotional outbursts, is highly political, believes in winning at all cost, has disfellowshipped members for trivial faults, prescribes diets while "playing M.D.," insists on being addressed as Mr. Pack, enjoys wearing skimpy, skin-tight shorts to sporting events, has actually worn a wolf costume to church socials, enjoys putting down women, and told one married woman with children, "It would be better for you to shack up one night with a man than wear makeup."

The letter quotes Pack as having said, "Everyone who has challenged me has either died, been seriously injured or has been eliminated from the work." And, "God backs me even if I am wrong."

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