Dave Pack adds another home to his growing list of Wadsworth real estate

Dave and his cult just added another home to his expanding list of Wadsworth real estate. Is it his goal to buy all the homes bordering the campus where Jesus is to return to? Before long he will own all the homes on Akron Road and Hartman Road.  If he accomplishes this then he will totally enclose his campus to all outside visitors.

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This was Dave previous home:

This is his new home, custom-built.  Remember he said he downsized to move here. Maybe size-wise, but certainly not cost-wise. 

One guess as to which of these is Dave's.

 

UPDATED: Great signs and works are soon coming from a certain COG splinter leader “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you..."

We have been accused of being unable to see a prophet in our midst.  Nothing new to that, especially when it is our one and only Bwana Bob. The great Bwana has been trying to convince us for years that he is THE MAN! 

No other man in the history of the Church of God has more qualifications than he does.  

No one has had people dream about him in dreams like he has.  

No one has been doubly blessed in the manner he was, even though that so-called blessing came from a counterfeit practitioner of a fake gospel. 

No human leader of the church has ever been persecuted as much as he has. 

No other man in the church has ever come as Elisha, Elijah, Amos, Habbakuk, Johsua, and Malachi all at the same time. 

No other human leader has ever been ridiculed and publicly rebuked by Rod Merdith as much as Bwana Bob has; even Dave Pack got off more lightly than Bwana Bob did.

We are too blinded to see what an amazing man the self-appointed leader of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God is. he will soon be doing great and marvelous wonders for us to be amazed at. Because we failed to bow at his feet we will not know when it is time to go to Petra.

Such silly rebellious deceived people! We should be ashamed of dishonoring the Great Bwana!

Anonymous said...

You Guys wouldn't believe a prophet,if he was a prophet; out of all the would be Prophets in the COGs; his is the only one that was legit; Facts speak for themselves; Rod Meredith said God may consider you to be a Prophet, so did the other LCG Evangelists, also the Fruits; did you ever read his books or blogs; everything is spot on; also he truly cares for the poor and unfortunate Brethren: that the other Churches of God would be afraid to support, due to the financial drain; you at banned, just have a root of bitterness;. You know it's true. How unfortunate. Great signs and works are coming; the head church leaders of Jesus Day didn't believe either, because there hate blinded them

June 27, 2020 at 10:16 AM

Jesus weeps...

UPDATE:

God's greatest end-time prophet took notice that someone stood up for him here:

The facts for those who believe the Bible and are willing to believe the truth are there for those interested in being like the Bereans of old who searched the scriptures to see if things being declared were so (Acts 17:11; see also Church of God Leaders on Prophets).

Note: I do not know who the anonymous poster was nor did I ever encourage anyone at CCOG to post that or anything like that. But the biblical prophetic facts and fruits related to me are there for those with eyes to hear and ears to hear.

Here is what scripture plainly says about Bwana Bob and the rest of the lying prophets of Armstrongism. Remember that Bwana Bob depends upon lying divinations for his credibility.

Deuteronomy 13:1-5 ESV / 286 helpful votes 

“If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.

Jeremiah 14:14-16 ESV / 120 helpful votes

And the Lord said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds. Therefore thus says the Lord concerning the prophets who prophesy in my name although I did not send them, and who say, ‘Sword and famine shall not come upon this land’: By sword and famine those prophets shall be consumed. And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem, victims of famine and sword, with none to bury them—them, their wives, their sons, and their daughters. For I will pour out their evil upon them.


Matthew 7:15 ESV / 1,383 helpful votes

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

1 John 4:1 ESV / 1,327 helpful votes

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Matthew 24:24 ESV / 1,234 helpful votes

For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

2 Peter 2:1 ESV / 1,153 helpful votes

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

1 John 4:1-6 ESV / 1,003 helpful votes

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. ...

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 ESV / 897 helpful votes

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

Matthew 24:11 ESV / 756 helpful votes

And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.

2 Timothy 4:3 ESV / 690 helpful votes

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 ESV / 690 helpful votes

But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

Jeremiah 23:16 ESV / 590 helpful votes

Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord.

Romans 16:18 ESV / 535 helpful votes

For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.


Deuteronomy 18:20 ESV / 521 helpful votes

But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’

Luke 6:26 ESV / 510 helpful votes

“Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.

Mark 13:22 ESV / 496 helpful votes

For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect.

Revelation 20:10 ESV / 474 helpful votes

And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Jeremiah 14:14 ESV / 465 helpful votes

And the Lord said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds.

Mark 7:6-9 ESV / 456 helpful votes

And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.” And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!

2 Peter 2:3 ESV / 447 helpful votes

And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.


2 Timothy 4:3-4 ESV / 397 helpful votes

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Romans 16:17-18 ESV / 390 helpful votes

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

2 Peter 2:1-3 ESV / 384 helpful votes

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

Jeremiah 23:1-40 ESV / 336 helpful votes

“Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture!” declares the Lord. Therefore thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, concerning the shepherds who care for my people: “You have scattered my flock and have driven them away, and you have not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for your evil deeds, declares the Lord. Then I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them, and I will bring them back to their fold, and they shall be fruitful and multiply. I will set shepherds over them who will care for them, and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall any be missing, declares the Lord. “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will raise up for David a righteous Branch, and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. ...

Ezekiel 22:28 ESV / 321 helpful votes

And her prophets have smeared whitewash for them, seeing false visions and divining lies for them, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord God,’ when the Lordhas not spoken.

Jeremiah 5:30-31 ESV / 320 helpful votes

An appalling and horrible thing has happened in the land: the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule at their direction; my people love to have it so, but what will you do when the end comes?

1 Corinthians 14:33 ESV / 313 helpful votes

For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,

Matthew 24:4-5 ESV / 307 helpful votes

And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.

Matthew 7:15-20 ESV / 306 helpful votes

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. ...

Jude 1:4 ESV / 303 helpful votes

For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Ezekiel 13:9 ESV / 292 helpful votes

My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and who give lying divinations. They shall not be in the council of my people, nor be enrolled in the register of the house of Israel, nor shall they enter the land of Israel. And you shall know that I am the Lord God.


2 Peter 2:1-22 ESV / 288 helpful votes

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; ...

Isaiah 8:20 ESV / 282 helpful votes

To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn.

John 14:6 ESV / 281 helpful votes

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Revelation 13:1-18 ESV / 277 helpful votes

And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. ...

Colossians 2:8 ESV / 272 helpful votes

See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

Jeremiah 5:31 ESV / 269 helpful votes

The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule at their direction; my people love to have it so, but what will you do when the end comes?

Matthew 7:15-16 ESV / 266 helpful votes

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

2 Peter 2:2 ESV / 254 helpful votes

And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.

Ezekiel 13:6 ESV / 248 helpful votes

They have seen false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘Declares the Lord,’ when the Lord has not sent them, and yet they expect him to fulfill their word.

Deuteronomy 13:1-3 ESV / 247 helpful votes

“If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Acts 13:6 ESV / 246 helpful votes

When they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they came upon a certain magician, a Jewish false prophet named Bar-Jesus.

Deuteronomy 13:1-18 ESV / 246 helpful votes

“If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst. ...

Revelation 13:14 ESV / 244 helpful votes

And by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.

Galatians 1:6-9 ESV / 244 helpful votes

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

Lamentations 2:14 ESV / 242 helpful votes

Your prophets have seen for you false and deceptive visions; they have not exposed your iniquity to restore your fortunes, but have seen for you oracles that are false and misleading.

Revelation 2:20 ESV / 241 helpful votes

But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols.

John 8:44 ESV / 239 helpful votes

You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Deuteronomy 13:3 ESV / 234 helpful votes

You shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lordyour God with all your heart and with all your soul.

2 Corinthians 11:13 ESV / 232 helpful votes

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.

Revelation 2:2 ESV / 231 helpful votes

“‘I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false.

Revelation 13:12 ESV / 230 helpful votes

It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.

Jeremiah 23:21 ESV / 227 helpful votes

“I did not send the prophets, yet they ran; I did not speak to them, yet they prophesied.

Jeremiah 23:14 ESV / 227 helpful votes

But in the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen a horrible thing: they commit adultery and walk in lies; they strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that no one turns from his evil; all of them have become like Sodom to me, and its inhabitants like Gomorrah.”

Revelation 16:13 ESV / 225 helpful votes

And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs.

2 Peter 1:1-21 ESV / 223 helpful votes

Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, ...

1 Thessalonians 5:21 ESV / 219 helpful votes

But test everything; hold fast what is good.

Revelation 12:9 ESV / 218 helpful votes

And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Micah 3:11 ESV / 213 helpful votes

Its heads give judgment for a bribe; its priests teach for a price; its prophets practice divination for money; yet they lean on the Lord and say, “Is not the Lord in the midst of us? No disaster shall come upon us.”

Micah 3:5 ESV / 211 helpful votes

Thus says the Lord concerning the prophets who lead my people astray, who cry “Peace” when they have something to eat, but declare war against him who puts nothing into their mouths.

1 Timothy 6:5 ESV / 199 helpful votes

And constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.

Matthew 24:12 ESV / 191 helpful votes

And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.

Deuteronomy 18:21-22 ESV / 191 helpful votes

And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

Isaiah 56:10-11 ESV / 190 helpful votes

His watchmen are blind; they are all without knowledge; they are all silent dogs; they cannot bark, dreaming, lying down, loving to slumber. The dogs have a mighty appetite; they never have enough. But they are shepherds who have no understanding; they have all turned to their own way, each to his own gain, one and all.

Matthew 7:1-29 ESV / 188 helpful votes

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. ...

2 Timothy 3:13 ESV / 181 helpful votes

While evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

Acts 20:29 ESV / 181 helpful votes

I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;

Jeremiah 23:13 ESV / 176 helpful votes

In the prophets of Samaria I saw an unsavory thing: they prophesied by Baal and led my people Israel astray.

Matthew 7:22 ESV / 175 helpful votes

On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’

Revelation 13:11-15 ESV / 174 helpful votes

Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed. It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people, and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.

2 Peter 2:10-11 ESV / 173 helpful votes

And especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority. Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones, whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against them before the Lord.

Jeremiah 23:26 ESV / 173 helpful votes

How long shall there be lies in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies, and who prophesy the deceit of their own heart,

Jeremiah 28:8-9 ESV / 171 helpful votes

The prophets who preceded you and me from ancient times prophesied war, famine, and pestilence against many countries and great kingdoms. As for the prophet who prophesies peace, when the word of that prophet comes to pass, then it will be known that the Lord has truly sent the prophet.”

Matthew 7:21-23 ESV / 170 helpful votes

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Revelation 13:11 ESV / 169 helpful votes

Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.

2 Timothy 3:5 ESV / 168 helpful votes

Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

Matthew 24:1-51 ESV / 168 helpful votes

Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?” And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. ...

John 10:1-42 ESV / 166 helpful votes

“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” ...

Ezekiel 22:25 ESV / 165 helpful votes

The conspiracy of her prophets in her midst is like a roaring lion tearing the prey; they have devoured human lives; they have taken treasure and precious things; they have made many widows in her midst.

1 Timothy 4:1-3 ESV / 162 helpful votes

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

Titus 3:10-11 ESV / 160 helpful votes

As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 ESV / 160 helpful votes

The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,

Revelation 17:6 ESV / 155 helpful votes

And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her, I marveled greatly.

Jude 1:8 ESV / 154 helpful votes

Yet in like manner these people also, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme the glorious ones.

Isaiah 44:25 ESV / 154 helpful votes

Who frustrates the signs of liars and makes fools of diviners, who turns wise men back and makes their knowledge foolish,

2 Thessalonians 2:3 ESV / 146 helpful votes

Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

Ephesians 4:14-15 ESV / 142 helpful votes

So that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ,

Revelation 13:1 ESV / 139 helpful votes

And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads.

2 Peter 2:18 ESV / 138 helpful votes

For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error.

Ezekiel 13:22 ESV / 138 helpful votes

Because you have disheartened the righteous falsely, although I have not grieved him, and you have encouraged the wicked, that he should not turn from his evil way to save his life,

2 Thessalonians 2:4 ESV / 136 helpful votes

Who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

Daniel 7:25 ESV / 134 helpful votes

He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.

Ephesians 6:12 ESV / 133 helpful votes

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

Jeremiah 6:14 ESV / 133 helpful votes

They have healed the wound of my people lightly, saying, ‘Peace, peace,’ when there is no peace.

Revelation 13:15 ESV / 128 helpful votes

And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.

Acts 17:10-11 ESV / 127 helpful votes

The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue. Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

Daniel 7:8 ESV / 126 helpful votes

I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots. And behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Deuteronomy 18:22 ESV / 123 helpful votes

When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

Dave Pack: Letting His Light Shine Behind Burlap And Security Guards

Real Christians, those who follow that heretical disruptive guy from Gallaliee, are always about letting their light shine and putting their words into action in the world around them as they do their part to make the kingdom of God tangible to people around them.

That is unless you are a Church of God leader. Two of the larger COG's are literally ensconced on their compounds behind gates with security guards.  God forbid if any of the unwashed unconverted masses of the world would ever be allowed to set foot on the "millennial" campuses these guys have conned their members into building.  Gerald Flurry in Edmond, Oklahoma, and Dave Pack in Wadsworth Ohio, live their lives of privilege on their church funded grounds and in custom-built luxury homes safely behind gates and fencing. Security guards keep the demon influenced public away from the sacred homes of the fearless leaders.

Today I received notice about another Wardsworth Facebook group where Dave Pack and his cult are being discussed.  Dave certainly has NOT made a positive impact in the Wadsworth community, despite the fact he conned the mayor to show up at his dedication and the press to write glowing reviews of his buildings as he expanded his compound headquarters.

Here is what spurred on the recent Dave Pack discussions on Facebook:

Imagine being so paranoid that Dave has to put burlap over the fencing in order to keep people from looking into his compound.  Actually, I think it may be something else.  That burlap keeps Dave from being able to see any of the unwashed heathen masses that drive by every day. He has even admitted he never goes off the compound for daily necessities in life.  This way, his magnificent brain can be totally focused upon planning for the arrival of Jesus in Wadsworth sometime within the next year or so - as he keeps getting the date wrong. God forbid if any of the public got to see Jesus walking the grounds of the compound has He talks with Dave.

So Dave needs an armory?  Where is his almighty god to protect him? Why is he not willing to be a martyr for his version of the truth? It is amazing to see what cowards the leadership is in the COG movement. They screech and bellyache about being persecuted and yet don't have the balls to be the powerful men they claim to be.

It's pretty sad that these so-called "men of God" are immediately seen as cult-leaders. Men who are supposed to be in direct communication with god. Being followers of The Way is not part of their insular worlds.

It is interesting to see how women are treated in the Restored Church of God. This sadly does not surprise me.  Many of the other splinter cults of Armstorngism have treated women as less than for decades. I remember one elder in Pasadena who commanded his wife to walk behind him a few steps.  She could never stand or walk directly beside him. More often than not, when you saw them together, she was always looking down at the floor.

It is hard to imagine this is the face that the public sees of Dave.  Imagine Jesus ever doing anything like this. 

We have reported here before how Dave is buying up all the houses in the area around his compound for the most loyal of his staff and followers can live. More proof:

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I say BRAVO to the citizens of Wadsworth that they are on to Dave Pack and his cult. They are right to be very afraid of Dave and what goes on there. Dave and his minions are in a position to do some very damaging things to members and those around him if he continues down the path he is on.  From isolating his members from those around them and their families to requiring that his followers dish over from 20 - 90% of their income is appalling and should continue to be exposed.  His nefarious new teaching on "all things common" should be a warning to the public and the local authorities that Dave is up to some dangerous shit! 

The really sad thing is that when his followers heard his new teaching on "all things common" they bought into it unquestioningly.  Many sold homes and businesses and cashed in life insurance policies and retirement plans to give it all to Dave.  People took out mortgages on their homes and gave that all to Dave with the expectation of never having to pay it back to the back because Christ would return and they would not need to pay the bank back.

People warned the mayor and the local press when Dave was going on his "open house" media blitz that there was a darker side to Dave.  People contacted the Wadsworth religion editor for the local paper and she refused to do any story that was negative about Dave.

Wadsworth citizens have a right to be concerned about what goes on at that compound and they should NEVER take the focus off of Dave and his cult. Dangerous times are ahead!

“The Two Trees” need a chainsaw

Child abuse and the church.

Racism and the church.

Divorce and Remarriage and the church.

Failed prophecies and the church.

What’s the common theme? The root of the problem? Satan? Human nature? Or an organization that continues to feed on fear, perpetuate hate, and devour the flock. 

Can an evil tree bear good fruit? “The Two Trees” need a chainsaw. 

from a reader

Dave Pack on devil children disrupting his sermons

The Church of God has always had a love/hate relationship with children.  It has always looked at them as potential money streams when they get older and they also find them horribly disruptive when they make noises in church services and take the focus away from God's most superfantabulous ministers. Countless articles have been written over the decades on how to train a child to behave in church. Every single one of them ended up expecting corporal punishment to be used to keep the kiddos in line and compliant. Nothing pisses off a COG minister more than a baby wailing during a service when he is expounding on point 137 during the most incredible sermon ever to be preached. Even women with short hair and wearing slacks in church is not as offensive as a bellowing baby or god-forbid a happy baby that makes surrounding members giggle.

Dave Pack writes:

Those who have been members of God’s Church for any length of time can relate to the following scenario: you are sitting in Sabbath services, listening to a sermonette, announcements or sermon. You are mindful of the importance of the time spent in God’s “classroom” each week, so you strive to listen carefully to the speaker (whether live or on CD) and take notes.

But, as you listen, you are challenged by the need to “tune out” a child who is talking, crying or otherwise making noise. Have you ever found yourself in this situation? If you are a parent, has your child ever been the source of noise during services?

Others in the Church, especially those who date back to the days of larger congregations in nearly every major and medium-sized city, may recall more serious disruptions on the Sabbath, even vandalism. Parents sometimes allowed children to leave services unaccompanied for a “restroom break”—who would then wreak havoc. This created friction with the owners or custodians of rented halls.

Do your children reflect a different standard of behavior from their peers, just as we should? And have they learned to behave during the time it matters most—at Sabbath services?

Heaven help any poor member who's child disrupts Daves sermons! This is almost on par with the unpardonable sin!

God holds parents accountable for how well they perform their duties in this most important stewardship: the development of future god-beings.

Within the government of the Church, the ministry holds parents accountable for their children’s behavior, just as God holds His ministers responsible for maintaining decency and order among His people (I Cor. 14:40). Negligence on the part of anyone in this chain can lead to serious consequences. Incidents of vandalism can lead to a congregation being evicted from a facility, which not only presents a major problem for the brethren and ministry, but also stains the reputation of the Church.

Apparently, the Restored Church of God is filled with rebellious devil children who wreak havoc and destroy rented halls all over the world.

In Armstrongism, children are corrupted by Satan the first moment they take a breathe. The devil controls them from that point on and it is the duty of the parent to make sure their children resist the devil. Notice how this nonsense still fills Dave's mind:

While children possess a certain innocence, many parents tend to think their children can do no wrong. Fathers and mothers look on them as extensions of themselves, which is natural. But the human tendency to justify the self is often transferred to your children’s actions as well.

God’s people should have a deeper understanding of human nature than those outside the Church. Scriptures such as Jeremiah 17:9 and Romans 8:7 describe the hearts that are in all human beings, including little ones.

Years ago, a news story confirmed what wise parents already knew: “Babies aren’t as innocent as they look, according to…research out of the United Kingdom. Sweet little infants actually learn to deceive before they can talk, says University of Portsmouth psychology department head Vasudevi Reddy in a study that challenges traditional notions of innocence while confirming many parents’ suspicions about their sneaky babies.

“Most psychologists have believed that children cannot really lie until about four years of age. But after dozens of interviews with parents, and years spent observing children, Dr. Reddy has determined that infants as young as seven months are quite skilled at pulling the wool over their parents’ eyes.

“Long before children can understand complex ideas about truth and deception…‘they are engaging in subtle manipulations of their own and others’ actions, which succeed in deceiving others at least temporarily.’

“There was the 11-month-old who, caught in the act of reaching for the forbidden soil of a house plant, quickly turned his outstretched hand into a wave, his mother reported to Dr. Reddy, ‘as though he was saying, “Oh, I wasn’t really going to touch the soil, Mom, I was waving at you.”’

“Fake crying is another trick babies learn early on to get attention, Dr. Reddy says. The researcher defines ‘fake’ crying as being more calculated than the usual ‘I’m tired/hungry/wet/hurt/lonely’ cries” (The Globe and Mail).

Keep this reality in mind when working with your sons and daughters!

The ministry strives to err on the side of mercy. But unless there has been a major misunderstanding of events involved, it is not productive to defend your child if he or she makes a mistake—which will happen. And parents should not take this personally. All children find their way into mischief by nature: “Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him” (Prov. 22:15).

The church inwardly knows that many of their teachings on child-rearing are not right, otherwise they would not caution parents to be careful when and how they discipline.

The proverb above leads to a central point: your children’s conduct on the Sabbath reflects how well you are training, correcting and disciplining them during the other six days of the week. What you sow on a daily basis, in terms of time spent teaching, will be reaped during the weekly commanded assembly.

It is crucial for parents to “practice” services at home. Strive to reproduce the Sabbath environment—sit your child at your feet, play a recorded sermon if possible, etc. Your instruction to them should be to be quiet and stay put, and violations of these rules should bring swift punishment—severe enough to make an impression and teach obedience.

(A note regarding physical discipline: be very cautious and discreet when in public places, such as hotels and meeting halls. Discipline should always be administered in private! Be aware of the laws regarding spanking in the state or country in which you live, and also at the location of your Feast site.) 

The church used to have "spanking tents" at Feast sites, at least those in the U.S. did.  Disruptive children were to be taken there and spanked.  Usually with a paddle, and certainly more than 5-10 swats. This tent was usually filled with screaming kids and angry parents. This only lasted a few years until people went to the press in the Pocono's with news of the horrific things going on in the tents.  They immediately disappeared.

Children in the church were never allowed to grow up and be children.  The same restrictive rules imposed upon adults made the lives of children pure hell at times and still does, in Dave's cult.

Here is the list of Dave's commands for obedient children. One's children must never disrupt Holy Dave when he is speaking.

Here is what is expected of children at services:

• Children must learn to play, read, draw or color quietly, and stay close to their parents. School-age children should gradually learn to pay attention and, eventually, take notes.

• Crying or fussing babies and toddlers should be immediately taken out of the room where services are held, and quieted elsewhere, so they do not unduly disrupt the proceedings. A child’s behavior, however, must not be allowed to cause a parent to miss large portions of the service.

• Children should not be unruly and should show respect for others, and the property of others, at all times. (This applies whether the congregation meets in a hall or at a host’s home.)

• Little ones should never be left unattended before, during or after services. (This does not mean that parents must continually hover over them, but at least one parent should be aware of what they are doing and supervise from a distance.)

• Any child under 12 years of age should be accompanied to restrooms by a parent. Any bathroom stops during services should be rare. Make it a habit to address this need beforehand.

• While it is fine for children to play together before and after services, they should not be loud and boisterous.

• Children must never run while at services, or engage in rough horseplay.