Recent Restored Church of God Former Member Speaks Out: “Mr. Pack where are your sheep? Why have they deserted you, Mr. Pack?”

April 9, 2021

Mr. Pack,

 

You have said that people are making excuses to leave RCG.  I think people are making excuses to stay!!  It’s the only way to explain why so many have stayed since you began making repeated failed prophecies beginning around 2012.  You say, “wait until the end of the series…wait until you hear the conclusion,” and other similar phrases.  The series never ends!  It is like the story of Scheherazade and the 1001 Arabian Nights. How many times have you said that it was the last sermon in the series?  At least her stories did come to an end, and her life was spared.  Her name, by the way, means “noble heritage.”

 

You have mentioned repeatedly that your last name, “Pack,” means “Passover.”  I looked it up some years back, and indeed, coming through the Anglo-French, which includes the Hebrew, it does mean Passover.  However, you claim that your name comes from your German heritage.  In the Anglo-Saxon, which includes the German through old English, it has a very different meaning.  I suspect that you are aware of that.  I think that if you want to be totally honest, you should announce to the Church what your German name really means. I have copied and pasted it below:

 

From Where Does The Surname Originate? meaning and history

 

This surname is derived from the name of an ancestor. 'the son of Pack.' Probably it is a harder form of Patch, which see. Pakes is the genitive form; compare Jones, Williams, Collins, &c. (v. Paxon for further evidence).

 

(Anglo-French) the French Paque = 1 One born during the Passover Festival or Eastertide [French pâque, Old French pasque, Latin pascha, Greek πάσχα; Hebrew pesakh, a passing-over] 2 a derivative from Teutonic: v. under (English) Paque (without a diminutive suff.) is now uncommon in France.

 

(English) 1 the A. - Sax. pers. name Pœc(c)- [either from an Old Teutonic word seen in Old Norse pakki (m.) = Dutch pak = Ger. pack, a pack; or Old English pǽca, deceiver: cp. the place - name Packington] 2 metonymic for Packman, q.v.

Pack Translations

1.    Pack, der ~ (BrutZeugGesindelSippschaftKanaillePlebsPöbelGelichterLumpengesindel)

                                  brooding, the ~ Noun

                                  brood, the ~ Noun

                                  sitting, the ~ Noun

2.    Pack, das ~ (LumpengesindelBrutPöbelGesindelSippschaftKanaille)

                                  scum, the ~ Noun

                                  riffraff, the ~ Noun

                                  ragtag, the ~ Noun

                                  rabble, the ~ Noun

 

Wiktionary  

Pack  noun

1.           abwertend: heruntergekommene, (teils kriminelle) Menschen; Gesindel  Pack → rabble;

Pack  noun

1.           An obnoxious, or mean and offensive person     vermin; → Gesindel; Pack;

 

 

My family goes back to Kings of England, too, by the way.  And from there it follows that my family also goes back to King David.  I imagine this applies to a great many people, not just you and me, and of course HWA.

 

Surely if Flurry or someone was giving this long series of failed prophecies, you would lampoon him to no end. Speaking of Flurry, it is hard to tell where he leaves off and you pick up, regarding taking titles.  I suspect that if you and Flurry were in a room together, there would be little room for anyone else. 

 

I noticed that there have been a number of sermons about ministers in the past few months.  The job of ministers, as described in the sermons, is not reflected in the ministers of RCG.  Most of the ministers I have dealt with are either bullies or just plain clueless.  

 

First, there was Turck. He was a power-hungry tyrant with a bad case of Little Man Syndrome.  How many hours did I listen to him screaming at me over the telephone?  More than I care to think about.  Sometimes I do believe he was literally “hopping mad.”  He called me so many mean and vicious names, it makes me blush to think of it.  He did me a favour, though, when he said that “all of HQ” thought I was a joke.  Even that there was a saying, “that God corrects the Church through” me, which he implied that you had said.  I thought how sad that HQ didn’t have better things to do than to talk about me! He told me that he hated when an email from me or my family came across his desk, that he hated having to deal with me…he stopped short of saying that he hated me, but it was no great leap to figure out that he did!  I do not know who finally got rid of him, but I always suspected that perhaps Mr. Wachuku might have mentioned something to you, after being bullied by Turck.  As I said to you at the time of Turck’s dismissal from RCG, who could bring charges against Turck when you claimed he was your best friend.  Count Turck among the flatterers.

 

Then I had to deal with other men that I did not know.  They were tutored by Turck, and felt it appropriate to treat me as badly as he did…I know you had Jeff ask me for the names of “the men” that I had mentioned in my email to you.  I named four of them, but did not name the other two, as they were too highly placed at HQ.   The four that I did name were later removed from RCG.

 

I will mention one of them now.  Brad Schleifer.  Perhaps your biggest flatterer.  Flatterers only flatter those from whom they can get something in return.  Brad was a pompous ass back when I first met him.  I always think of him as a snake-oil salesman…oozing as he walks.  How does someone as short as Brad look down his nose at others?  Glib and greasy, that’s Brad.  He loves to point out that he was an atheist. I believe he still is.  He is SO like his mother and step-father…too good for the commoners, loving to suck up to the people they can use, or who can give something to them.  Take away Brad’s titles, his impressive salary (and Ginger’s), and house…see how much loyalty is left then.  Brad’s initials say it all… B.S.  or to use all three initials and throw in a couple of vowels, as in the Hebrew… BoGuS.

 

James Rodrigues.  I met him.  He was friendly for all of two seconds.  Then his face and voice changed, what I call putting on the minister act…he told me to get out of Florida and go back to Maine.  I did so.   

 

Bob Knightly…your man from Massachusetts.  He has called and asked my opinion so many times, I stopped answering the phone.  He can’t answer questions about anything relating to anything!!  And because he can’t come up with an answer, he speaks louder and louder, until he is yelling.  I finally contacted HQ about him, as you know.  I never heard back from HQ, but Bob did…and gossiped about me to others, who told me about it. The last time we spoke on the phone, he asked what I thought about your “new revelation,” that WOMEN could receive the SAME REWARD, as WE, the ELITE, the MINISTRY.  I didn’t tell him that that was not new revelation…I was taught that 40+ years ago in WCG, and further that some women would receive a higher reward than men. The one time I allowed him into my house, the first thing he asked was, “Ya know what they call people from Massachusetts don’t cha?”  Put him on a Zoom call with you and ask him that same question.  I would love to see his face and hear his answer to you!  He threatened to visit a number of times, but then, thankfully, came up with several excuses not to. I blocked his number so that he cannot call me ever again.  If he showed up at my house, I would not let him in.

 

I have heard things about other ministers, and I believe those things.  Those are not my stories to tell. 

 

Ministers’ wives are as bad, and in some cases, worse than their husbands.  A woman does not have to worry about “the men” looking at her breasts or legs…their wives are always checking them out.  Diana Toro, who was very nice, until she became a minister’s wife, told me that I was not to wear sandals.  It was not at services, and I didn’t pay much attention to her.  Leanne Kaidannek and Pat Bishop were quite reasonable about certain things regarding women…but I don’t know many, if any, others like them…and of course, they are gone. Pat Knightly and her husband couldn’t take their eyes off a woman who had two discreet tattoos.  They met with her, before allowing her to come to services.  They were not interested in anything the woman had to say, they just kept talking about her tattoos.  Bob would call her and ask her what she thought of your prophecy series, and if she said she liked it, then Bob liked it too.  If she said she didn’t like it, then Bob would agree with that.

(By the way, there were people in WCG with tattoos, and they were never instructed to cover them up.  Also, there were people who wore rings on fingers other than the ring finger, and even one had rings on her toes!! And men were not restricted to white shirts!!)   Ask Pam De John for her honest opinion regarding women in the hot, humid south being required to wear pantyhose.                

 

I came to the HQ picnic/auction one year.  It was held the day your first wife had died.  Most people were shocked to see you and your daughter and your son there.  I remember seeing you and the practical nurse…and I told my family that you were going to marry the LPN.  A few months later you said you were dating an unnamed woman, and then you married her before a year was up (divorced a couple of times, to boot.)  Big surprise.  (Yet others, such as Mr. Lovell and Mrs. Denee were told they could not marry after they each were widowed.)

 

At the auction, I was a bit shocked to see the competitiveness.  I did bid on an afghan that no one wanted. I bid on a piece of jewelry that I knew someone else had been outbid on and gave it to her as a gift.  The last item I bid on was another afghan.  I wanted to give it as a gift.  You jumped in later in the bidding, but I continued to bid.  You were at the table next to me.  You said, loudly enough for me to hear, “these people like to bid against Mr. Pack.  They want to see how high Mr. Pack will bid.”  I stopped bidding, and you got your afghan.  The whole auction disgusted me.  I was not the only one who was shocked.

 

In the early years of RCG, you said you would hold fast to the doctrines that we knew in WCG.  You said that no one can come along and change the doctrines of an apostle.  You stayed with that for quite a long time.  Then, came a line or two that caused me to cringe…along the lines of “Mr. Armstrong was right as far as he knew…”  or “God couldn’t show Mr. Armstrong this, for __________reason.”  Then you would make changes and say there hadn’t been any changes.  It reminded me so much of WCG when they were throwing doctrines out by the bucket-load.  Recently you said that Mr. Armstrong “literally only got one thing wrong…the 1290.”

 

You started saying, “if you don’t believe _________then you don’t have the holy spirit.”  Or, “I’m teaching this by the authority of God.  If you don’t believe it, you are not converted.”   I was happy that you finally stopped saying it, and wondered who had told you to do so.

 

For nearly a decade (?) you have been saying things like, “this is the truth. You can’t argue with it.”  “If it’s not true, then Scripture is broken, and you might as well throw the Bible away.  You can’t make it say anything else.”  Then the next week, you will say “we used to believe _______. But God has shown me that is not right.”  So, does that mean scripture is broken, or that you are using private interpretation?  Are you adding and subtracting from the words in this book?  You recently said that you do not use the Bible, as it slows you down, and that you are like a conduit through which God streams.  Considering how many scores of false predictions (dare I say false prophecies?) that you have made since about 2012, perhaps you should use a Bible and slow down…and even ask which god it is that is using you.  (I would love to know who told you that your new teaching on the NTBMO was wrong, and wondered how he/she brought about getting you to change it back.)

 

Other tell-tale statements that I have learned from WCG, GCG, and LCG…and now RCG.  “Everything is going well at HQ.”  “No one is leaving.  As a matter of fact, we have record numbers of new people”  “Income is way up…much higher than last year.”   I remember in the first or second year, hearing some of those lines…only to learn that the whole HQ staff had been replaced, and I saw the letter they wrote to you.  Other similar incidents come to mind…I’m sure you remember them better than I.  You have been saying throughout this series that no one is leaving.  Every now and then, you will say one or two people have left.  Recently you implied that some people were leaving and that they have lost their salvation.  Only the people in RCG have salvation, and that is because they have come to a certain point in time.  I didn’t know that was how salvation worked.  (You have said that is how things work in PCG a number of times.)  One of the biggest false statements made by various COGs, including RCG: “All of the ministers agree.  Not one minister disagrees.” I actually heard a leaked tape, back in 1998 or 1999, when GCG was slinging so much mud around.  On it, all the board members were fighting and disagreeing all over the place. Recognizable names…disgraceful.  Sure enough, the next sermon had Meredith saying how they had had a meeting and all the ministers agreed, and how wonderful everything was going.  How many times have you said, “all the ministers agree with me,” and then we find out (or maybe we don’t find out) that one or more ministers have left?

 

You have said that it was you who discovered that God was in the OT.  Funny, but over 40 years ago, I asked a minister how to tell when it was God or Christ being spoken of in the OT.  He answered my question rather easily.

 

After the Feast of Tabernacles, I think in 2018, you started your sermon by commenting on how someone you had spoken with at the feast had said that people were told not to approach you.  You seemed so surprised!!  I rewound it and watched it five times!!  There were sermons, emails, and announcement bulletins, addressing this!  Not to mention that every Feast site in North America had daily announcements regarding this.  “Mr. Pack is an apostle.  You do not approach him.  There will be a receiving line for any new people to meet him. You will say hello and move on. If you have met Mr. Pack previously, you will not be in the receiving line.  He is important and has better things to do.”  I had personally been told that I am never to speak to you, never to email or telephone you, never to contact you, or be in the near proximity of you and your wife, because I was lower than dirt and not fit to be near you.  And, why, by the way, do you need to have “security men” form a line separating the Feast-goers from you?  Are you thinking you will be attacked and “the men” will protect you?  

 

I think that is the same Feast at which you held up a paper and showed its edge to the attendees, saying, “ I was this close to death.”  After all the time you had been ill with heart problems but were saying there was no danger.  Which statement is true?

 

Pets.  I believe that HWA covered the topic of pets.  Pets would not be resurrected.  You said they will be.

 

Speaking of pets, you have said we are not to have pets.  Why do people at HQ have pets?  And why, oh, why, do you have HORSES???!!!  For the privileged few?  

 

You say you may have to re-write the literature, as what is currently there is all wrong.  A look at the public website shows teachings from HWA…which you have not taught for a decade.  I wonder what people who are lured in by the public website think when they learn that the old ways are no longer taught.  Aren’t you supposed to teach the gospel to the world?  Why one gospel to the world and another gospel to the church?  Doesn’t that by definition mean that one or the other is “another gospel?”  Not to mention "another God" and "another Jesus."

 

I did not attend the Feast in 2020.  I had asked repeatedly if there would be masks and social distancing…after a long time, I was told there would not be any precautions against Covid at the Feast.  I opted to stay home.  You said that if you had faith, you would not get Covid.  You made fun of the other church groups who wore masks and did not sing during services.  You ended up having Covid for seven weeks, which was not announced until you had recovered.  Why the secrecy?  Did you not have faith?  I had heard, very shortly after the Feast that all of HQ had come down with it.  Evidently, it was a super-spreader.  Every year people are told to stay in their hotel room if they have a cold or other illness…every year those same people think it means everyone else…which means every year one or two people spread their coughs and colds, and a lot of people end up being sick.  Did you think that Covid would be different?  God expects people to use their common sense.  That would include using precautions during a pandemic.  (I forgot, it was prophesied for you to not speak until God gave you more new knowledge.)

 

Speaking of secrecy…you have been saying that you can’t make certain announcements because our enemies will learn of them.  And you talk of spiritual suicide.  These are statements that I would associate with “cults.”  I watched documentaries on Jonestown and Waco over the past year.  I do not think you are there… yet.  I know there have been literal suicides for as long as I can remember.  You have had people in your areas commit suicide and there were three suicides in Maine, as well as a murder-suicide, in the days of WCG.  I think you would not want to be pushing talk of suicide too much…spiritual or physical.

 

I want to clear up the origin of a word that you sometimes try to make into a different word.  Fecund.  It means “fertile.”  No matter how fast you say it and repeat it over and over, you will not make it into the other word you reference, which is not a word, but an acronym.  The acronym came about from Merry Olde England when the bobbies would beat the bushes looking for fornicators.  They would write on the summons, “For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.”  That’s where “that” word came from and you will no longer have to try to make “fecund” sound like it in any other sermon!

 

Speaking in the third person… ridiculous.  How would you like it if I peppered this letter with, “You are probably thinking, ‘Well, Mrs.________, that is the most interesting thing I have ever heard!’ ”

Brad was Turck's right-hand man before he was your right-hand man.  I guess that makes Brad secondhand.  He was hand-in-glove with Turck when they put me out of the church, on trumped-up charges.  And it was Brad who said to me, "we wanted to see if you would leave the church."  What kind of a minister does that?  It was Brad who also put his hands on me and called me by my first name, which I had never asked him to do.

 

You say that we must address ministers and wives as "Mr. and Mrs" out of respect for their office.  I believe that is a power play...we call them Mr. and Mrs., they call us by our familiar names to show they have authority over us.  You at least asked me if you could call me by my first name, and I did say you could.  That does not apply to any other minister that is in RCG today. I am not a “Ms.” but a “Mrs.” by the way.

 

You have said that you have personally ministered to more people than anyone else.  If you are such a wonderful minister, where are all the people that you have ministered to?  As far away from you as they can get?  Ask yourself, “Mr. Pack where are your sheep?  Why have they deserted you, Mr. Pack?”

 

You rant against so many people that you once raved about.  Don Tiger, Charles Bishop, Brenda and Darrell Gaug, Steve and Joan Thompson, Tom and Karen Munson, Bill Ambrose, Tim “Griz” Mobley, Bill Behrer, Jeff and Arleen Ambrose, Dale Schurter, Ken Manges, et al.  So many others!  I also remember a time that a woman’s cellphone made a vibrating sound during one of your sermons.  You stopped the sermon and demanded to know whose cellphone was making a noise.  Then you told “the men” to make sure she was put out of the church for a couple of weeks.  Then you went on an extended rant about it and did your best to humiliate that poor woman.  I always wondered if she came back.  Every year at the Feast, announcements are made about cellphones, and every year, someone is sure to have his/her cellphone on, and one of “the men” will simply ask that person to shut it off.  I have not been present at a service again, where a cellphone went off while you were speaking. Another rant that had to be endured by members and waitstaff at a Feast luncheon, was when we were served chicken-fried steak.  You carried on so, it was hard to believe.  I felt bad for the waiters who were serving it, which was simply delicious, and probably one of the better meals I have had at some Feast lunches.  Why say such hateful things regarding a delicious meal, which had had a blessing asked over it, by the way.  Why try to humiliate the servers?  Inexcusable, in my opinion.

 

Like ministers in other COG groups, you will stand up and tell stories of how you were abused by other ministers and administrators, and then you do the same thing to others!

 

You said in the early days that if you went off into strange doctrine, to leave the church and not listen to you. And to remember that you said it, because if you went off into strange ideas, you would not tell us to leave.  Do you remember saying such things?  I do.

 

You say “Christ is coming first, no God is coming first, no Christ is coming first, no God is coming first.” Which is it?   “Christ is coming during the fast of Esther…the Passover, Xmas, new year’s”…and just about every other day you can think of.  Which is it?  You used to say that no one can know the day nor hour, except God…as says the Bible.  Now you say it, and change your mind to you can know…you can’t know, you can know.  Which is it??  Recently you said you know exactly when it will happen, but you have said that before! And you said the words “time, times, and half a time,” always refer to a day.  I looked it up, as I tend to do, and it can also mean “year” and “season.”  If someone speaks a prophecy in the name of the LORD and it comes not to pass, it was not from the LORD and you shall not fear that man. ("Medina," by the way is Arabic for "the city." and can be extended to mean "the city of the Prophet Mohammed," not "the city of the Prophet," as you have said.)

 

You have said to sell everything you own and give the money to the church.  I was told to sell my house, that I didn’t need a house.  I did sell it, I did give you some money.  Then I had to buy a run-down old house so I had a place to live!  The minister who told me to sell the house left the church when he was told to sell his house!  

 

Why do the ministers not sell their houses?  Do the HQ ministers and staff live in those houses for free?  Did you give all of your money to the church when you sold your house?  

 

I do not see the doctrine of “common” in the Bible as it is taught in RCG.  We are supposed to sell everything and give you the money.   The Bible speaks of a time when they sold all and went from house to house, sharing everything among themselves, as they had need.  After I sold my house and was in need, I was told that the church isn’t there to give physical help, only spiritual help.  Well, I haven’t had any help, physical or spiritual. 

 

Your sermons could be cut way down to the acceptable one and a half hours, if you cut out all the rhetoric, foolish questions, hyperbole, and loooong explanations as to why you can’t explain your latest revelation.  You have spun such a big ball of yarn that is very twisted and full of knots…no one could ever make use of it.

 

I’ve mentioned flatterers earlier in this letter.  If you really want to know how to tell who the flatterers are in the ministry and at HQ, listen to them speak.  If they are agreeing with you, 100% of the time, as you say they are, then they are flatterers.  If their sermons are glib and greasy, they are flatterers, and they, themselves, do not believe what they are saying.  If their voices sound stressed and it is hard to believe what they are saying, especially when they are asked to defend you, they are flatterers who do not want to lose their big homes and salaries. Listen to the stress in Andrew Holcombe’s voice.  It was evident in Jeff’s voice for years…I’m glad he escaped, but even he stayed long enough to collect a good amount of filthy lucre.  I was really surprised when Greg Kaidannek left and sent a letter with the reasons why.  I knew he didn’t believe what he had been preaching, and I thought he would stay.  I was wrong on that one.  Which men imitate you, in speech, in hand movements, in the content of speech (such as the use of the third person when speaking of themselves)?  Who copies your style and phrasing and use of words (such as “the most fascinating,” the most interesting,”  “I’m going to blow your mind,” etc.)?  These are the flatterers that you wanted to know about.  

 

I am neither a yes-man nor a flatterer. I am saying honest things to you that few others would bother to say.

 

You used to say you were little in your own eyes.  You used to say, “I hope you think I’m not bragging,”  as you bragged about one thing or another. I think you’ve bought into your own hype. As you love to say, “anoint your eyes.”  

 

God is not the author of confusion and there is simplicity in Christ.  Your sermons are full of confusion and not one whit of simplicity.  You are right about one thing, though.  God wants to see who stays and who leaves, but in the exact opposite way that you portend.

 

As you used to say, quoting another ‘apostle,’ “Who moved?”

 

I hope you have some appreciation for my “little letter.”  It was meant to be read in a pleasant conversational tone.  There is no anger, bitterness, acrimony, hatred, or any other negative feeling in it.  If you read negative feelings into it, they are your feelings, not mine.  

 

If I am wrong in these things that I have brought to your attention, may God have mercy on me and forgive me.  If I am right, may God have mercy on you and forgive you.

 

 

                                                                                                Sincerely,

                                                                                                Former RCG Member

 

                                                                                        

Dave Pack/RCG: The Real Truth According To Zillow

 

For years, Dave Pack has set dates. For years, he has failed. He has proven himself to be a false prophet in the truest sense. Yet, people stay with him. Tithing, fundraising, selling all of their possessions in obedience to his satanic "common doctrine".

Though he has amassed many assets, he will never share a full view of the fancy homes he has built in the center of his 100-acre compound.

However, Zillow will. Here is the Real Truth according to Zillow. Beyond the millions elsewhere on campus, Dave has built himself an almost 3-million dollar private street.

RCG brethren, keep repeating the lie to yourself, "I give ALL things to Mr. Pack so I can give the Gospel to the Poor..."

From an RCG source

The Saga of Apostle David C Pack Just Gets Sadder and Sadder

 Here We Go Again!

"Prophecy Update" TODAY

(April 12, 2021)

A brief note is in order: We are all expecting events to unfold by the end of Abib, which is hours away. True to God’s pattern, we have continued to learn through to the end—and at a seemingly ever-faster pace.

Of course, the starting position for every discussion about timing is that we cannot have another year. The news alone screams this remains more true than ever! Every indication (and there is a vast amount of evidence) is that our wait is still almost over. But it will enter the month of Iyar, which begins tonight. While it looked for a long time that Christ would have to come in Abib, eventually it became clear for many reasons that He absolutely could not come in Abib—but in fact would come the next month—in Iyar. This note could take a left turn at this point and add 6-10 pages, but that is what sermons are for. About two more would be needed.

The expectation has been that we would see an antichrist first (and many more with him), with Christ arriving soon after. This is also still true, but in a slightly different way than first believed. In fact, Elijah and the faithful living saints receive absolutely massive power for a brief period, during which all living saints are united. What happens over the next several days (the last days) before Christ returns on “that day” is a story so staggering no email could begin to do it justice. Since our wait appears to be for a very brief additional period, there is not time to inform the Church of even a fraction of the evidence. If this brief period comes and goes, then everything would need to be explained—and the story is truly incredible! Mr. Pack would lay it out in detail if we were to enter a wait for another year. Let’s hope that we soon live the story rather than merely hear it.

This much can be said now. All of what happens appears to require exactly one month after all! First comes the empowering of God’s Church with great gifts and exousia through the antichrist period when Elijah rises and that the living saints must endure. This is followed shortly by Christ’s coming to the Great Supper to build the “Seed” Kingdom of God before the second brief period involving the Man of Sin. Finally, the Father arrives in glory to close the month, brings paradise, the Mountain/City, the Old Testament saints, the resurrection of all Israel, the Wedding Dinner and to expand the Kingdom beyond Israel to the whole world. (Of course God’s Spirit stands here present in a Temple after Christ arrives.)

Let’s leave you with a question to ponder: Might the one month be Iyar itself after having fully observed (guarded/hedged about) Abib? This would mean our wait is essentially over. How wonderful that the Work of God ends simply booming in every regard! Whatever the wait, may it be brief. God speed the time!"

David C. Pack's BAIT & SWITCH Scam

From a reader:

David C. Pack's BAIT & SWITCH Scam 

At the start of his Restored Church of Greed (RCG) cult, David Pack talked about “precision of doctrine” and about holding on faithfully to everything that Herbert W. Armstrong had taught at the time of HWA's death in January 1986. That is how Dave Pack suckered in some former Worldwide Church of God people. 

 

After gaining their confidence, like con-artists do, Dave Pack started to introduce many new, strange, massive, doctrinal changes that were supposedly supported by some sort of “logic” (that was not very logical) and by hundreds of supposed “proofs” (that did not prove anything). Loud, overwhelming, sleep-depriving, non-stop noise (with spittle) coming from Dave Pack's continually flapping mouth totally bamboozled his followers. 

 

It now seems strange that some people still listen to Dave Pack after all the lies and nonsense and thefts and self-promotion and wrong date guesses and even more thefts that he came up with over the past seven years. But, perhaps it is not really about seeking the truth of God after all. Nor is it really about holding on faithfully to what HWA had taught. Apparently, it is about something else. 

 

Current RCG members might like to be handled delicately by outsiders (though not by Dave) and be considered to be sincere and decent people who mean well. However, the fact is that there is something seriously wrong with their minds and their behavior. They are now the accomplices and enablers of one of the worst raging false prophets (#2 after Gerald Flurry) that Satan ever sent against former WCG people.

Dave Pack: Now that everything I have said has failed to happen, I assure you it will happen by the end of the month of Abib. Much has been now clarified...

After another round of prophetic failures, more excuses...

 

From an RCG source:

Prophetic Update  YESTERDAY  April 4, 2021

We trust all of you worldwide had a very meaningful and enjoyable Last Day of Unleavened Bread. We certainly did here at Headquarters. There is of course the largest of questions on everyone’s mind: Must we wait a year or longer for the Kingdom now that the Spring Holy Days are over? The answer is no! Much has clarified and presents a path forward.

An analogy perfectly sets up this prophetic update: Think of the month of Abib as a property with 30 acres (representing days). As of yesterday, we only built a hedge around 21 of those acres. What we came to realize last night is simple—we needed to expand the fence to include all 30 acres—to hedge about the entire month of Abib.

But there is even more to Deuteronomy 16:1 than meets the eye! We are not only to “observe” (guard, build a hedge around) Abib, but also “keep the Passover”—the entirety of the Feast. “Keep” carries powerful meaning central to our wait—“to do or make.” “Doing the will of God” is explicitly tied to “keeping (doing) the Passover”!

The picture that could only emerge after we have done the will of God is that we wait a little while after keeping the Days of Unleavened Bread, with everything happening inside the month of Abib. Just think of the middle verses in Zechariah 11, which fit this scenario perfectly. Without getting into detail, we can expect big events to develop before the month is out.

Keep your eyes peeled! Our “observing” and “doing” will soon pay off with the arrival of the Kingdom of God!

Dave Pack: This Is Going To Be One Hell Of A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG Day!

 

From an RCG source:

Prophetic Update    April 1YESTERDAY

The Last Day of Unleavened Bread is fast approaching. As explained earlier this week, this Holy Day is the one we are all waiting for—the “season (time)”—“last season”—“last day”—also the “evil day”—the “day of Christ”—and “that day”!

Many may be wondering, how can so much be compressed into a single day? Could everything we know about really fit within a single 24-hour period? Mr. Pack has long battled this problem. The answer came to be no—this must be a long day! First, recall what we have termed “Joshua’s long day,” when “the sun stood still, and the moon stayed [in its place]” (Joshua 10:13), stretching a normal 24-hours.

Enough knowledge developed that Habakkuk 3, centering on verse 11, in fact teaches that God intends to do this again on the day He arrives to set up His Kingdom. Carefully reading all of chapter 3 in the context of chapter 2 about the Man of Sin actually reveals 3:11 cannot be the Day of the Lord. (But of course the Day of the Lord is also long—Zechariah 14:6-7.) The language and events described now make this impossible to believe! A couple of examples are that the chapter describes resurfacing this earth, not burning it up and replacing it. It is also when salvation comes and when Habakkuk receives his own. While a bit of the language can be tricky to the less-trained eye, the chapter is in fact loaded with evidence that the day it describes starts the acceptable year, not ends it!

This makes the timing of God’s arrival almost of no concern. It also settles why we cannot know or think up the hour that Christ arrives (on what is the same day the Father comes later). Consider. There are 24 time zones in play, including Headquarters, but also Jerusalem’s time zone possibly at the center of God’s thinking or not. Now couple this with the fact that God intends to stretch this day, making the time He chooses to send Christ less critical. Then remember that almost all verses describing the time of Christ’s arrival use parables! The result is that Mr. Pack has stressed there is now very little guidance we can give on any particular “timing scenario.” We are all left to watch with our spiritual “lights burning.”

Time fails to tell of other powerful indicators/proofs we have learned about the apparent certainty of this year versus one or more years to follow. The broad metrics of timing leave little or no room to doubt 2021! May knowing this much encourage you.

Finally, how exactly God’s Kingdom begins—the complexity of things that come first in His Plan—became plain at last! The long struggle to pin down the difficult matters of what happens “out of the gate” suddenly vanished for all those who were patient to the end. (The long struggle ended with correctly locating the first long day.) Mr. Pack wanted it stressed that those who have left us are almost certainly still in play within God’s Plan, although the fire is now their path to eternal life! In the meantime we are left to “judge nothing before the time, until the Lord [God] come” (I Cor. 4:5).

Dave Pack sets new date for return of his "christ"

 

The merry-go-around is still spinning in the Restored Church of God. The creature Dave calls "christ" keeps changing its mind and now has a new day for its return. The new date is Saturday, April 3, 2021! Dave's creature is set to return on the Sabbath!  Woo Hoo! Not only that, real Christians will be celebrating Holy Saturday. This is going to be fantastic!

I will make a more sure prophecy right now. This will be an astounding FACT! Dave's creature will NOT return this weekend, or by this time next year. Guaranteed fact!

Update. March 30, 2021 

 

In closing Part 300, Mr. Pack stressed our wait could extend all the way to the Last Day of Unleavened Bread. It will! While the case seemed unlikely then, it now appears impossible that anything can occur until that day. The reasons for this are many. Every question can be answered. 

 

The LAST day tells the whole story. Christ is revealed and our salvation comes in the last season. The saints are raised on the last day. The day (singular) tries every man’s work. You can no doubt think of other relevant verses that fit this scenario. Let us continue the process of deleavening our lives as we await this most special Last Day of Unleavened Bread!

The Real Truth: Why Dave Pack's Creature Called "christ" Has Been Delayed....

From a reader:

Various denominations have the title “Right Reverend” for certain of their dignitaries (compare to “Right Honourable” in British usage, “right” carrying the sense of “very”) who merit such distinction. David Pack doesn’t get such a title —even if the COG allowed such titles — because he is not very “reverend” and he is so very wrong much of the time, the opposite of the another use of the word “right.”

However, I do see, thanks to some scurrilous website, that he has made the following remark:

“But if somehow God wanted to do that and let things drift out of Unleavened Bread, but "raise" everybody for the “Great Supper” on that day, then that's his prerogative. I don't see how it fits but I don't want to preclude it“
This is an important statement for several reasons: “I don’t see how it fits,” is probably the truest and rightest thing Pack has said. Secondly, if God wants to do something, that’s God’s “prerogative.” Two true statements in one sentence. Is this a personal best for Mr Pack?

Further, he doesn’t “want to preclude” God’s right to do whatever the hell God wants to do. I can’t think of a greater example of modesty and humility.

I offer up another possibility here, Coming from the East, on His way to Wadsworth, Christ’s ship was delayed by that mess in the Canal. Surely we can find a prophetic verse to back this up. But failing that, I revert to my often voiced prophecy that Pack will “discover” that Christ has indeed returned, and is presently dwelling in Mr Pack’s body. He has resisted the truth of this simply because he was being modest, but now (or when) all other possibilities are exhausted, it’s the only logical possible solution.

Stay tuned.

Dave Pack Moves The Goal Posts Again: Wild Elephants Can't Stop us from a 1 Year Wait!

“Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.” – Judge Judy

The craziness in Wadsworth continues as Dave moves the goalposts once more concerning the timing of his creature he calls "christ" and the date of his second coming.

From an RCG source:

(This message was given on the First Day of Unleavened Bread, where Dave skipped the double service so he could prepare these 45 minutes explaining why RCG’s predictions were wrong again. The quote is the conclusion to Part 300) 

 

Now I want to just say this because I've been wrong before on timing. Let's allow that somehow, all these points [the previous 45 minutes of points] could, somehow suggest a Last Day of Unleavened Bread, start of the “84 hours.” ...But if somehow God wanted to do that and let things drift out of Unleavened Bread, but "raise" everybody for the “Great Supper” on that day, then that's his prerogative. I don't see how it fits but I don't want to preclude it, because if we got through Tuesday, the question is the same. “Do you think we're going another year or maybe another three and a half days? Or through to Wednesday morning?” Therefore, we may speculate that sometime midweek, about Tuesday night through Wednesday morning, mirroring “Christ's Last Supper” we'll see God and Christ for the "Great Supper."

The 84 hours were described in Daniel as opening with a resurrection, some unto eternal life, others would go on to everlasting shame and contempt. That's the start of it. Everything begins with the "Great Supper." Now, I guess, after all was said and done, this is Part 300. All right. I guess it was destined to be. Would this "short message," in fact, be the “final ration,” “given in due season” before Christ is revealed in the same season, before on the last day of that season, we see all Israel and all the saints. On the first day of unleavened bread, the message would be given, that I unexpectedly had to race, rush to review and then assemble, through nonstop study beginning last night at the dinner table with some ministers. And I went home late into the night, got up this morning and stayed with it all day long. And didn't get to hear what I'm sure were, two wonderful sermons and sermonettes to others.

And then that message would be delivered after which we are to "watch." It would seem so. We're still more on track than the whole church knows, you now know it, but everybody else does. And if I go too long, it's too much translating and too much other time loss of time and then others may not hear this. But if Unleavened Bread totally all of it ends, then "wild elephants" cannot pull us back from a full one-year wait. That's why I wanted to throw in, in case I'm wrong on the timing that everything on the last day, rather than Tuesday night or Wednesday, I wanted to say only then would we have a one-year wait, not because as we got through, um, Passover a couple of nights ago, and we were somehow still here. I hope this helps, godspeed Christ's return sometime the middle of this week before we all are together, on the last day you now know of Unleavened Bread.

 

David C Pack/RCG: "ALEX GROEN- FORMER HEADQUARTERS MINISTER ON DAVE PACK!"

 

Hey Dave Pack and His Ministerial Enablers in Wadsworth....Where's Christ?

 

Hey Dave!  Where's Jesus? We are waiting!

Now that Passover and the Night to be Much Observed are over in Wadsworth, 

where is that Christ Dave predicted?

Why have you ministers in Wadsworth continued to enable Dave in his failed prophecies? 

When will you ever wake up? Dave is lying to you. Not one single thing he has predicted has come true and yet there you are, scratching his back and standing in awe as he walks by

 gracing you with his presence.

Dave Pack Latest Prophetic Update: The Countdown is On! Christ is waiting for ALL COG brethren to take Passover before he returns!

 

How many more times will Dave cry "wolf"?

Get ready COG members! Dave's creature he calls "christ" is waiting for all true believers around the world to take the Passover before he returns! 

Is Dave finally going to get this wish that COG members in other COG groups would flock to his feet as they see his awesomeness and ditch their worthless Pastor Generals and Chief Overseers for the One True Awesome Dude?

One problem JC is going to have is that there are at least 3 different days that COG groups gather for Passover. They can't even agree on this day let alone anything else. How will he know when all COG members have taken the Passover?

Can you imagine what a shitfest Petra will be when everyone arrives and finds out Dave is in charge! Oy vey!!!!!!! Bob Thiel, Vic Kubik, Gerald Flurry, and Gerald Weston will all need a 3 1/2 year's worth of Depends. Can you imagine Bob Thiel humbling himself to kneel at Dave's glorious feet? This is going to be fantastic!

Dave writes:

Prophetic Update
YESTERDAY (Mar 25)

Passover is less than a day away for us at Headquarters, and only hours away for some of you in the Far East. This day is crucial in God’s soon-to-unfold Plan, but for different reasons than we understood yesterday.

The New Testament Passover is in some regards the most important night of the year for Christians. God takes careful note of how His people prepare (or do not prepare) to take the symbols. There is no greater time of self-examination and preparation. It has become clear that God may want ALL brethren worldwide (seventh era included) to take the Passover prior to Christ’s arrival. What could be more crucial in determining the spiritual condition of each of His children?

Notice I Corinthians 11:26­: “For as often as you eat this bread, and drink this cup, you do shew the Lord's death till He come.” This could easily be read to mean we take the Passover before Christ comes!

Now think! The actual feast picturing Israel leaving Egypt begins Saturday night—the First Day of Unleavened Bread. This is the Night To Be Much Observed. This is when the physical Passover lamb was eaten anciently. Would this not picture the GREAT Supper? Related, we have studied the Scriptures enough to know the importance of the weekly Sabbath in God’s mind. This scenario also further elevates the seventh day.

In practical terms, if God wants everyone everywhere to take the symbols, the earliest possibility for Christ’s Return would appear to be deep into tomorrow night. Think of yesterday’s announcement. This would mean He arrives to set up the Kingdom with the Old Testament Passover/Night To Be Much Observed still “in” the Kingdom.

All this said, continue to stay alert now—and all the way into the start of the Holy Day season!

Dave Pack's Latest Prophetic Greeting To His Dwindling Faithful

JC prepares for deep conversations with the Holy One of Wadsworth

Dave's Latest Prophetic Update Greetings from Headquarters! 

Though our watch continues, it does not appear we have long to wait! Incredible twists and turns related to timing have come clear and make plain why. Everything you believe is right, with one exception: Passover opens the 84 hours—almost! Rather than closing the 3½ days of Daniel 12:7, it actually falls closer to the start. Many scriptures prove this, but here are two to connect and meditate on. First, recall how the snare arrives. Christ warned, “Take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so THAT DAY come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth” (Luke 21:34-35). Think. “That day” must start everything. How else could it come as a “snare”? Now read Matthew 26:29: “But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until THAT DAY when I drink it new with you IN my Father's kingdom.” “That day”—the start!—encompasses Passover, meaning it is early in the 84-hour period. Further proving this, note it is “IN” —inside!—the Kingdom. Put plainly, the Kingdom must begin ahead of Passover. In Luke 22:16, Christ said He would no longer keep the Passover “until it be fulfilled IN the kingdom of God.” Again, the Kingdom must be set up before Passover. This is where Elijah and the Church “going first” fits. Do not stop watching—but realize the window is most likely the 24 hours immediately preceding the New Testament Passover. May your self-examination continue to be profitable as we approach this most special of all Passovers.

Dave Pack Tells Another Lie: "The Work is Booming Right Now. And I mean, BOOMING! You just can't fathom it."

The plan of salvation using kitchen utensils and a soccer ball. 

His faithful sat there for close to 2 hours watching him move kitchen utensils from 

vase to vase, ending up with a soccer ball as the new heavens and new earth.

This is prophetic buffoonery at its finest!

It is now Wednesday, March 24th, the day AFTER Dave Pack's creature he calls "christ" was to return. 

Once more Dave has lied to his followers. 

We are getting close to sermon 300 as Dave keeps piling on the lies and his dwindling faithful sit there each week lapping it all up. 

With one false prophecy after another and lie after lie, Dave feels no remorse or the need for accountability. Sadly his gullible followers feel no need to hold him accountable either, particularly the ministry and elders in Wadsworth. They will lap up his next excuse with orgasmic expectation, marveling at the wisdom coming from his mouth. 

Nothing illustrates the mind-boggling stupidity of Dave Pack more than the above picture of Dave explaining the plan of salvation, the return of his creature "christ" to Wadsworth, and the new earth by using a soccer ball and kitchen utensils.

From an RCG source:

Part 298
On Thursday March 18th, another one of Dave’s prophecies failed without most even realizing it. Christ was supposed to return on Friday night, but I guess He tricked Dave again and forced him to have yet another revelation. On top of this, Christ also revealed to Dave that maybe rewriting all his literature isn’t so hard after all! Maybe this Gospel is supposed to get out after all! 

 

“As I've explained the Work is booming right now. And I mean, booming! You just can't fathom it. Might God want us to do a "great work "this side of the kingdom? I'm just raising it. Please don't make it more or less than that. Well make it more than that, but don't make it less than that. If so, we are perfectly primed with the best staff and the strongest reserves we've ever had. The conference would come back, the camps would come back. The college would be strong. Campus would expand. If we must wait longer, we could do a powerful work for a year, with an open door we know nobody can close, regardless of who might try. 

 

We can carefully, I've had a lot of time since I brought this up recently, I just found it, I found I've got to do this, or I'm not a wise and faithful servant. We can carefully and relatively easily rewrite the literature without emphasizing the way God will come. It can be done. I've been looking through booklets and how did I say it? We could surge forward with the "complete Gospel" to the world for whatever time remains. I'll keep sprinkling in, "I don't believe it." And I know things that you don't even know that makes me absolutely not believe it. All of this said, let me just put it this way, every metric points to this Passover, may God's kingdom come on his timetable. And if I'm right with what we've learned, we've got about 28 hours, and I end now so that they can get this posted for the rest of God's people. I think I know what happens tomorrow night [Friday March 19th]. Have a good afternoon.”