Tuesday, April 17, 2018

LCG: Rod Meredith Church History, Can You Trust It?


The Church of God News has an interesting post up about Rod Meredith's recent series of articles that Living Church of God has been publishing as the most earth-shattering series on church history that has ever been written.  When any COG ever makes claims like that, the red flags should go up immediately.

Over the decades the Worldwide Church of God published several series on church history by Meredith, Blackwell and others. So the things Meredith has written are not something new that he pulled out of his hat over the last couple years of his life, as LCG is implying.


Gerald Weston wrote on April 12th 2018:
“Dr. Meredith’s article series on the Protestant Reformation is being put together in booklet form. We believe this is an important statement by Dr. Meredith and the Church regarding Christianity, showing the difference between the true Christianity of Christ and the Apostles and the counterfeit Christianity of Revelation 17.”
The editorial of the March-April 2017 issue stated:
“Roderick C. Meredith, the Editor in Chief of the Tomorrow’s World Magazine and Presiding Evangelist of the Living Church of God, is uniquely qualified to write this series. His ministry spans almost 65 years, from the earliest years of Herbert W. Armstrong’s worldwide work to today’s multi-media continuation of that Work of reaching the world with the Gospel of the coming Kingdom of God. Dr. Meredith has long been an expert concerning the history and significance of the Protestant Reformation, and this series collects his research on this highly misunderstood subject. It will explain the truth about the Reformation—a truth that will make you see the last 500 years of the religion called Christianity in an astonishingly different light.
We hope you will enjoy this brand-new series!”


Church of God News writes:

Gerald Weston and his editorial staff knew that Roderick Meredith had not collected “his research on this highly misunderstood subject” during “his ministry (spanning) almost 65 years.” He had written The Plain Truth about the Protestant Reformation in 1956, when he was a student at Ambassador College. His thesis was written in ‘Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Degree of Masters of Arts in Theology’.
The first article in this “brand-new series” comprised chapters1-3 of this thesis. It was almost word for word, with some slight (or should that be ‘sleight’?) amendments by the editors, e.g. “thesis” changed to “series”; “the following chapters” to “this series of articles”; and “the present work” to “this series”.
Yep, honesty and integrity are the highest qualities of the current LCG regime.

If any COG member wanted to read about the history of the church there are countless books available that make mincemeat of the COG biased version that Meredith is presenting.  Like most any COG "scholar" who writes about COG history, they seek to find events in Church history that they feel best corresponds to the "official" COG version they wish to present. The more anti-catholic it is, the better.








LCG: Humberto says, "...and of course you're not going to publish this, because you're a coward."




A reader writes:

Humberto has left a new comment on your post "LCG: Rod McNair-Brethren, Are You A Person of Inte...": 

The only thing that has turned on is your own envy towards a religious group that does not defend itself from your attacks, you attack in a cowardly way, hidden behind a website, you are lax, lukewarm in your ideas and you let yourself be carried away by your own root of bitterness. 

The ministers have the duty to instruct, correct and discipline the people, they will give an account of the flock and God does not want anyone to be lost. Did Jesus reprimand Peter? Did God reprimand Moses? Was Jesus dictatorial with temple merchants? Was God with Sodom dictatorial? Or do you want something like Tkach? You want anarchy where nobody govern anyone? ... That's Laodicea, that's the kind of blog that you have ... and of course you're not going to publish this, because you're a coward. 

Finally, is this your work? .. to put in people false ideas to discredit a group that does not hurt you? 

Monday, April 16, 2018

LCG: Rod McNair-Brethren, Are You A Person of Integrity and Walk In A Godly Way Like I Do?



Lots of LCG members were none too happy to see Rod McNair's pre-Passover posting about getting certain types of "leavening" out of their lives.

Given McNair's harsh treatment of members and his appalling comments about the elderly, LCG members feel he is talking out of his hypocritical ass once again, especially when he wants members to be people with integrity like he presumably is.  Or, are they like he is and put on a good show wanting to impress members and receive their accolades?

The LCG source who sent me this said,  "McNair is one of the most envious and strife causing men at LCG headquarters.  If any HQ employee is full of illusions about himself it is McNair. McNair is never capable of taking stock of his life and repenting before Passover.  He will still be the same vindictive strife causing man he was before Passover."  The LCG source also went on to say that, "McNair is prideful about his spiritual accomplishments and feels he has an inside track with God since he is God's mouthpiece as a minister in the church and that we as the dumb sheep need to heed everything he tells us to do."

McNair writes, "...acknowledge our continual need for the precious blood of Christ to cover our sins and give us new life. Thank God for that awesome privilege!"  Seriously?  When has the LCG EVER acknowledged Jesus other that using him as the source for "preaching the kingdom of God" and nothing else?  Nothing Jesus did ever has truly struck a nerve with LCG leaders, including Rod McNair. Other than saying Jesus Christ preached about the "soon coming kingdom of God" the church places no emphasis on the man.  The law is the god of the LCG.

LCG members should be emulating the characteristics of Jesus as they sit with prostitutes and drug addicts as they wash their feet and then eat a meal together.  They should be helping the poor and the destitute and those without any hope in their lives.  They should NOT pretend to be anything like the fake leaders of the LCG and above all, be NOTHING like Rod McNair!


Beware the Leaven of the Pharisees: Jesus said in Luke 12:1 “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.” What about us? Are we men, women, and children of integrity, or do we live a double-life? Do we talk in a godly way around “Church people” but then act selfishly at home, work, school or on social media? Are we like the Pharisees, who put on a good show to those whom they wanted to impress, but in private were full of envy, strife and the works of their own carnal nature?  
As we come to this Holy Day season, we must have no illusions about ourselves. We must be honest and open. We must courageously admit where we’ve fallen short in the past year. And we must throw ourselves on God’s mercy and cry out to Him for His help, to go forward! Passover is not the time to show God a list of all our spiritual accomplishments. Rather, it is an opportunity to once again, as individuals and as a Church community, acknowledge our continual need for the precious blood of Christ to cover our sins and give us new life. Thank God for that awesome privilege!
Have a refreshing Sabbath,
Rod McNair

Sunday, April 15, 2018

LCG: Dramatic Readership Decline

  

The Living Church of God has had huge issues over the last few years in its ability to retain readers of its flagship magazine, Tomorrow's World.

News of the Churches of God has this up:

Living Church of GodThe March-April 2018 issue of Tomorrow’s World magazine is now on-line. 
The circulation figures continue to tumble 
March-April 2016: 539,000 
March-April 2017: 417,000 
March-April 2018: 257,000

Now that its namesake Rod Meredith is no longer around, the magazine does not have much appeal to members or to those from other groups interested in LCG.  Gerald Weston is not the draw people thought he would be.  Given his track record of mistreating people in his field churches he was assigned to and his overbearing strictness towards the youth in his areas he has has not garnered many accolades from those people.

LCG is creating its own decline due to the distrust many members have with Headquarters leadership and the blatant nepotism and financial waste of the elite.

Giving Away Your Power Is a Really Bad Idea







We have all done it. We are all guilty of it. We have all turned against ourselves by allowing it.
One of the problems one faces in belonging to and being a member of an organized Christian Church is that, either consciously, or subconsciously , one places themselves under the authority of others. We say we do it willingly. We believe that there are special people groups and leaders under whose supervision we need to be. It is others who tell you how to think, what to do, how to act and what to believe based on some criteria that they got from those "over" them, or those who came "before" them. For some, this works. For many, it is a formula for physical, psychological and emotional disaster.
In the case of believers, the Bible is used to proof text any particular perspective one wants to promote. Whether we can admit it or not, within the Bible are enough speeches, personalities , stories, personalities and dramas, which if manipulated properly and with enough conviction and showmanship, are justifications for just about every human endeavor in the name of God, Jesus and the Church. Many have the near crippling inability to conduct their lives without knowing what God, Jesus, the Bible or their church would have them do or how to think.  Their own views and common sense are just not good enough.  "My ways are not YOUR ways" and all that, keep them well in place.
This fear based chain is kept in place with appeals to biblical authority, fear of consequences for disbelief or misbehavior based on select criteria. It is reinforced with guilt (I did a bad thing) for failure to meet the standards set and paid for with an appropriate amount of shame (I am a bad person). The control factors are kept fresh every week with sermons or studies and every day with admonitions to study to show oneself approved or "pray about it." The "it" can be your attitude which is not in sync with the system and your success with "it" is compliance and a good attitude. If you forget the criteria for success you can now go to a Church website and replay the sermons of those that control your mind and do your thinking for you. Throw in the idea that a human can have the unreachable goal of becoming perfect as their heavenly Father is perfect, which whether meaning real perfection or maturity, and you have formula for major guilt and shame and the control stays in place. I have never met any human being who is remotely mature or perfect like a god, and neither have you. 
In addition, others tell us that we are to grow in Grace (actually a nice concept few grow in) and Knowledge (a good thing but one which, in reality, the organization prays to God you don't grow in), and one can never get out of the box without grievous consequences. Usually what growing in grace and knowledge really means is growing in adherence and compliance graciously and knowing that what you are being told to think is the truth and you need look no further. Personal looking and personal conclusions based on that looking, is bad for the individual and best left up to others who are more in tune with the conclusions that need to be drawn for your own good.
When we come to realize how manipulated we have been on the topic of religion, we usually get angry at others for doing this to us and get depressed, which is the anger we are directing at ourselves "for being so stupid" that we will not express properly.
I believe the reason depression is so prevalent for those who come out of a bad religious experience is that we are so programmed not to express our anger, doubts and simple "hell no, I don't believe that," that it has no other place to go but inward and provoke the depression. "Be angry and sin not" often means keep it to yourself and don't show it, unless of course you are higher up the authority chain.
One additional fact we need to keep in mind is that the  Bible itself is the source of every organizational and mission blueprint no matter how people use it to advance their perspectives. Most men and organizations aren't out to deliberately deceive others. They too are the victims of the system before them and keep it going with their own fears, shame, guilt and hope for reward and peace. Peace is really what the soul craves but we go looking for it by repeating such tried and proven unworkable perspectives.
When confronted with the stark facts of how the Bible has been and can be used to control, shame, frighten and organize individuals, whether by early church father types, governments, modern churches or ministers, it is all to easy to say, "well they are not REAL Christians." Well, yes they were and yes they are, just ask them. They do these things because they are using the book as their guide. They appeal to the examples of God, Abraham, Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Paul and Jesus, usually in that order. They are "living by the book" as they would say and the fruit is rotten, as we could say. They are doing what God would have them to do. Bible Atrocities They think that there is one continuum of truth that can never change, be clarified, reworked, or even dismissed and negated as ignorant. There is nothing new to know and keeping blinders in place is the same as being faithful. If God can say "I change not" and Jesus can be "the same yesterday, today and forever," that works for them and better work for us too, context not withstanding
Where do we go wrong when we allow others ideas of how things are to control us? It's like so many who take long trips to meet family holiday obligations. You don't want to go. It's expensive. It's tiring and we have other things we need to do. The kids want to play with their friends and we want to just do nothing with the time we have off. It's not that we don't love or appreciate, though sometimes we don't and the attitude we get home in is not the one we went with, but it is just too much effort.

On top of that, we go because it is too much costly not to go. The tribe will be mad. Feelings will be hurt. Uncle Louie will be disappointed that John's wife wasn't there to leer at. And grandma won't have the chance to drive you nuts yelling at your kids to be quiet and stop having fun. Dad won't talk as usual and your sister will have that look that makes us all so pleased she came. But we did it... we gave away our power of choice and we did what we were expected to do for the benefit of others to  keep the illusion alive. Where do we go wrong?
We go wrong by giving up our own personal power and common sense. We go wrong by negating our own doubts. We go wrong by keeping that niggly question deeply stored in the back of our brains, never to be asked. We go wrong by saying we agree outwardly when we hate the idea or concept inwardly. We go wrong by letting things go and ideas we think are stupid pass. We go wrong by allowing some ancient text, idea or opinion pass as the only way to be. We go wrong by letting other humans with legitimate "authority" or only imagined to intimidate the reality and common sense out of us. We go wrong by letting others use the Bible to makes points that the Bible shouldn't make in this day and age. We go wrong by finding meaning in a scripture that the scripture never meant for us to take. ....take a breath....ok... We go wrong by letting doing what our heart is not in and repress where our heart is. We go wrong belonging to something outwardly that hurts us inwardly. We go wrong saying yes to sermons we should say no to. We go wrong by letting advice become a command. We go wrong by letting another human being think that whatever they come up with to do or say is fine with us.
In short, we give up our power of discernment and choice. I know that some get very angry when phrases like "take responsibility for your choice" is said. We don't like to hear that. I have hated it because it is costly and embarrassing. We come up with a dozen reasons we could not and that we HAD to give up our power. Realizing we did give our power to others is very very painful! "You weren't there" is usually a good lead in to why one had to comply. "I'd get did-membered" or "I'd be demoted." "God would be mad at me." "I might end up in the Lake of Fire." "The Bible says..." We all understand how that worked. I participated in it. I preached it. I enforced it. I wish I had not. I am glad it was not personally for me as bad as it could have been had I not been willing many times to quietly ignore what I did not agree with and encourage others to do the same.
We wanted to do the right thing as perceived by others so we gave them our power. We even gave the Bible God our power by counting on everything from healing and good health to financial prosperity through generous giving. There were PLENTY of texts in the Bible to motivate us to do the right thing and believe it. Don't blame men for twisting the Bible out of context. That happens enough. IN context, the Bible can promote plenty of grief. It makes promises it doesn't keep and that is painful to admit. We still think that somehow we must still be at fault and that the Bible, or the Church or God, as defined by the Bible, can't possible be a source of our miserable experience.
Whatever power I gave, I gave by choice. I can only speak for myself. Fault is not the issue here. It just is. People give up their power every day. Wives give up their power to say "enough," to abusive husbands. Men give up their power to employers who abuse their time and capitalize on their fear. Members give up their power to Churches and Hierarchies that really don't care much what you do as long as you are there when needed to give the appearance of credibility and the physical support needed to keep it going. And on and on.
Every day, and in may ways, both in general living and, in this context, in religious affiliations, we have the power to keep or relinquish our power. Anger, depression and the inability to move along in life are directly related to the skill of holding onto our power when we simply don't agree or believe what the tribe, the government, the boss, the church or the minister say.
Yes goes with no just like oceans go with sand. Every time I say yes when I mean no, every time I agree when I don't and every time I am sitting down on the outside while standing up on the inside, I am giving away my power. Sometimes it may be temporarily discrete to do this. But as a life habit and practice...No. For the times we did, forgive yourself and don't be the monkey on your own back. Giving up our power doesn't serve us in the long run and will impede our progress in life in the search for peace and truth. If we weren't looking for that in the first place, we probably would not have had this experience and I would probably not be writing anything about it.  

Saturday, April 14, 2018

Spiritual But Not Religious?

I have always said that religion is what others pour into your head about their vision of how it all is and how you should practice it.  Spirituality is an inside job.  I have also found that religion is not fond of spiritual people.  They don' go along to get along. Rigid views are often considered just current opinions that will mellow and change as new information reveals itself.  They don't always show up when and where they are told to and give and support something however they choose or do not choose.  A dog can be trained well.  You can't herd cats.


The Jesus of the Gospel of Thomas, a Gospel that did not make the cut for obvious reasons said:


Nag Hammadi Coptic Text
Oxyrhynchus Greek Fragment

1 [2]. Jesus says: "Let him who seeks cease not to seek until he finds: when he finds he will be astonished; and when he is astonished he will wonder, and will reign over the universe!"

Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."


For the United Church of God rebuttal to the Gospel of Thomas and to understand why it did not make the cut see:

 

Continuing...

"Spiritual but not religious" (SBNR) is a popular phrase and initialism used to self-identify a life stance of spirituality that takes issue with organized religion as the sole or most valuable means of furthering spiritual growth.

"Spirituality begins with a reverence for the ordinary that can lead us to insights and experiences that are anything but ordinary."
Sam Harris


The increasing prestige of the sciences, the insights of modern biblical scholarship, and greater awareness of cultural relativism all made it more difficult for educated American to sustain unqualified loyalty to religious institutions. Many began to associate genuine faith with the "private" realm of personal experience rather than with the "public" realm of institutions, creeds, and rituals. The word spiritual gradually came to be associated with a private realm of thought and experience while the word religious came to be connected with the public realm of membership in religious institutions, participation in formal rituals, and adherence to official denominational doctrines.
Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/entertainment/books/2002/07/spiritual-but-not-religious.aspx#bgAJmQqbqGk23lSd.99


The increasing prestige of the sciences, the insights of modern biblical scholarship, and greater awareness of cultural relativism all made it more difficult for educated American to sustain unqualified loyalty to religious institutions. Many began to associate genuine faith with the "private" realm of personal experience rather than with the "public" realm of institutions, creeds, and rituals. The word spiritual gradually came to be associated with a private realm of thought and experience while the word religious came to be connected with the public realm of membership in religious institutions, participation in formal rituals, and adherence to official denominational doctrines.
Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/entertainment/books/2002/07/spiritual-but-not-religious.aspx#bgAJmQqbqGk23lS

The increasing prestige of the sciences, the insights of modern biblical scholarship, and greater awareness of cultural relativism all made it more difficult for educated American to sustain unqualified loyalty to religious institutions. Many began to associate genuine faith with the "private" realm of personal experience rather than with the "public" realm of institutions, creeds, and rituals. The word spiritual gradually came to be associated with a private realm of thought and experience while the word religious came to be connected with the public realm of membership in religious institutions, participation in formal rituals, and adherence to official denominational doctrines.
Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/entertainment/books/2002/07/spiritual-but-not-religious.aspx#bgAJmQqbqGk23lSd
Mark Vernon author of How To Be an Agnostic notes...
"People associate religious institutions with constraining doctrines, and bad things that are done in the world. That may be outright fundamentalism, the oppression of women or some kind of conflict with liberal values."
Science has replaced God for many today, Vernon suggests.
But while science may be able to explain the world, it doesn't evoke how many people feel about their place in the universe.
Awe and wonder is how spiritual people often describe their relationship with the world. There's a sense that life is more than pounds and pence, of work, childcare and the rest of the daily grind.
A typical Portland sunrise along the Willamette River from the beach where I spend a few minutes each day before work.  
There are moments that seem transcendent in their lives - a beautiful sunset, a football crowd filling a stadium with noise, or a moving piece of music.
Oliver Burkeman, author of The Antidote, says the phrase "spiritual but not religious" has become a bit of a joke. But the concept is worth defending. "Spirituality I take to refer to things that are not expressible in words. There's an aspect of human experience that is non-conceptual."
It's about more than belief, Burkeman says. Just as for Christians and other religions, it is the practice of worship that is as important as the belief, he argues.

It doesn't mean the nonsense of "3-5, 10 at the most, 20 tops" and the endless game of thinking anyone knows or can know the future.  Prophecy is  the hook and insanity of the Churches of God. Without it, they would have no way of  trying to turn the spiritually minded into religious followers. 
Buyer beware...regrets to follow

"Gaetan Louis de Canonville practices mindfulness meditation in Richmond, south London. "We're not worshipping a God or paying homage to something in the sky. It's about learning to accept things like impermanence and living in the moment. If you get a glimpse of how happy you can be by embracing the moment, all the chattering of your thoughts stops."
Mike Stygal, is a secondary school teacher who practices paganism in his private life. He believes in a divine force in nature. "I believe everything is connected, I feel very in touch with nature and the changing seasons. Awe is a very good word for how I feel. It's a sense of deep respect for nature. I can communicate with the deity."
Bridget McKenzie, a cultural learning consultant, does daily walking meditations. "It's about making time to contemplate the awesomeness of life on earth, the extraordinary luck this planet has in sustaining life."
With trillions of galaxies in the Universe, which may only be one of many universes, the God of the Bible can seem too small, too jealous, too petty and too exclusive and cultic for the spiritually minded
She is not a pagan but for the summer solstice organizes a Garlic Man Parade in south east London to reconnect with ancient traditions. "We all sense changes in the light as the seasons change. It's important to mark the occasion."
Colin Beckley, director of the Meditation Trust, says the only true spiritual experience is silence. "Transcendence is often triggered by nature like being on a mountainside. But by learning to meditate you can bring that mountain experience to your flat in London."
Humanism is about the belief "that human beings find value in the here and now rather than in something above and beyond". "People have social instincts and as a humanist it's about reinforcing those instincts," he explains.
The search for meaning can be exhausting. Philosopher Julian Baggini writes in The Shrink & the Sage that there is a yearning for something more. "My short reply is that you can yearn for higher as much as you like, but what you're yearning for ain't there. But the desire won't go away."
That doesn't make it a bad thing, Vernon says. But it may lead to awkward questions. And that may explain why the research finds that spiritual people have more mental health problems.
"You're going on an interior mental journey. It's risky to go and try and see things from a bigger perspective. The promise is tremendous but the journey can be very painful."


PCG: The Petra Group and Christian Ethics



It looks like one of Philadelphia Church of God's elite is practicing true Christian ethics in a business that is drawing in negative reviews.  Like any good Church of God member, it has a name that immediately will draw up a reaction from church members.  Because who else is always the first easy target for some wild business adventure than fellow church members! It is called The Petra Group.

A reader here on Banned wrote:

Jeremy Cocomise is Co-Founder and Director of Operations for "The Petra Group," along with Bret Smythe. (Jeremy Cocomise's Linked in page doesn't come right out and say he works for "The Petra Group"; however, if you enlarge his picture, you will see the words "The Petra Group" embossed on a yellow background.) In my opinion, it looks to me like this company is a cash cow for the PCG (zoominfo gives $5-10 million in revenue). It appears to be a closed company to PCG employees as all the PCG names I searched, such as Privratsky, etc., come up working for this company and are tied in with PCG and HWA College (AC). The Petra Group is not BBB accredited and BBB has received several complaints alleging customer service issues. I also discovered a "Notice of Federal Tax Lien" in November 2012 with an unpaid balance of $2944.55. 

You remember Jeremy Cocomise...


This company, as it sets the Biblical Standard of the HIGHEST ETHICS  due to the fact it claims to employ several PCG folk, whom we all know to be the most ethical Christians EVER, is not fairing so well with consumers that have paid big bucks for their assistance. One person even claims they are being investigated by the Department of Justice and Consumer Affairs Department for fraud.

THE PETRA GROUP LLC Ripoff Reports, Complaints, Reviews, Scams, Lawsuits and Frauds Reported
1, Report #935334 
Aug 31 2012
10:34 AM
The Petra Group The Petra Group SCAM!! Gresham, Oregon 
Petra Group guaranteed first page Google placement after 60-90 days.  I requested two specific key phrases on the premium package and then Petra Group charged my $275 monthly.  My rep said my monthly fee would be discounted to $275 per month instead of $375.   They guaranteed first page placement.  After 90 days, my business was not listed on the first page on my requested key phrases.   I cancelled my account yet Petra Group still charged my card $275.  They are refusing to refund any money back.   I am now going through my bank to recuperate my money.  Petra Group stated that I was never on the premium package.   They discount $100 in the beginning so that they delude you to think you are on the premium package even though in reality you are on the basic package.  I received monthly invoices from Petra Group that never stated anything with regards to being on what type of package I was on.  TOTAL SCAM!!!    I also receive harassing random anonymous phone calls from Petra Group trying to solicit business!  VERY ANNOYING!!!
Entity: Gresham, Oregon 
2, Report #1146250
May 13 2014
10:24 AM
Entity: Gresham, Oregon 
3, Report #987446 
Dec 26 2012
11:34 PM
The Petra Group Unauthorized Debiting Theft , Internet 
This company gained access to my bank account and began dinging me $275 per month.  I did not authorize their debit of my account.  I did not agree to do any business with these people.  When contacted, they claimed to have telephone messages from me authorizing the deductions and refused to stop or refund any of the money already taken from my account.  No services were performed.  I am attempting to get funds credited back to my bank account, but Chase Bank is little help in stopping the debits or diligently putting the clamps on these scammers. This company markets over the phone to law offices, like mine, and other professionals claiming to get top billing on internet advertising.  They claim to have 10,000 clients (how do all those folks get to the top of the list?), but provide no service...and in my case, deducted funds from my account without any authority from my office.  Do not do business with these guys and hope they cannot access your account information to start deducting cash right out of your account...internet theft.       
Entity: Internet, Internet 
5, Report #1067906
Jul 17 2013
06:25 PM
The Petra Group Beware Media Mouth is The Petra Group!!! Don't be fooled!! gresham Oregon  The Petra Group is MEDIA MOUTH!  Don't be fooled!!  It's the same low life owners, Bret and Jeremy, and they are still up to no good.  They are under investigation from the Dept of Justice and Consumer Affairs for fraudulent business practices.  In particular, for charging customer credit cards AFTER you have clearly cancelled your service.  They hope you don't notice.  If you do, they wait for you to file a complaint with your credit card company and have your charges reversed.  In the meantime they have held onto your money for a couple of months.  They are cons!  DO not do business with them or give them your credit card information.  You will be sorry, they are con's!  BEWARE!
The Petra Group
Entity: gresham, Oregon 
Jun 27 2012
11:55 AM 
The Petra Group in Gresham Oregon Tel: 877-296-8618 The Petra Group...... Scam Artist Frauds BEWARE!!! gresham, Oregon 
These guys are nothing but frauds... Scam artist. They should be locked up and sent to prison. Mr Bret Smythe  and Jeremy Cocomise the owners are slimy low lifes. They sign your business up for Google Places which takes anyone two minutes to set up and they charge you 275.00 per month for five minutes worth of work and call it a business model. Once I figured out what they were doing I canceled and I'm still trying to get my money back from my credit card BUYER BEWARE!
Entity: gresham, Oregon 
The Oregonian reports:

This company gained access to my bank account and began dinging me $275 per month.  I did not authorize their debit of my account.  I did not agree to do any business with these people.  When contacted, they claimed to have telephone messages from me authorizing the deductions and refused to stop or refund any of the money already taken from my account.  No services were performed.  I am...
Petra Group guaranteed first page Google placement after 60-90 days.  I requested two specific key phrases on the premium package and then Petra Group charged my $275 monthly.  My rep said my monthly fee would be discounted to $275 per month instead of $375.   They guaranteed first page placement.  After 90 days, my business was not listed on the first page on my requested key phrases.   I...