PCG Wayne Turgeon: You don't know who you are messing with if you mess with PCG

 

When I came to Pasadena in the mid-1970's it was still the era ministers were saying a lot of weird stuff (not that has ever stopped since then). 1975 in prophecy was sitting on their doorstep and nothing was happening. The church was still reeling from major defections of ministers when Walter Sharp left and new splinter groups were starting. Then the receivership hit and the craziness amplified. One of the things I heard over and over was that the State of California, the Governor and the Attorney Geranl had better be really careful because the Almighty God was standing behind the "work" and terrible things would soon be happening to those who persecuted the church.

That mythology still exists in the extreme COG splinter cults like the Philadelphia Church of God and that brings us to our buddy Wayne Turgeon. If there has ever been a better example of a self-righteous jackass in the church, it is Wayne. From his days as a puffed-up student and Auditorium usher to his marrying into the Flurry clan, Wayne is a walking textbook case latest DSM-5.

Before Turgeon was sent to PCG's Edstone, England cult college campus he left he made these comments:

PCG Members Told to Take a Stand and Die If Necessary:
February 19, 2021 

 

Before Wayne Turgeon moved to Edstone, England, he gave a Bible study where he kept quoting HWA and told how HWA in a 1984 sermon said (and I quote): “We are becoming God teachers.” 

 

He cited Romans 8:31 and then said, “How dare anyone come against a true Christian? They don’t know what they’re dealing with and what they’re messing with.” He went on to say, “But do we always realize who’s behind us, and who’s backing us when the times get tough? Or are we going to run like the flip-flopping politicians? Or are we willing to take a stand and die if necessary?” He added, “If we are loyal to God (translation: loyal to PCG govt.), He always watches over us.” 

 

He also said, “We pray we will all be together soon in that place of safety wherever that might be. Things are going to get worse before they get better.” –PCG source Exit &Support Network

Gerald Flurry, the COG's most accurate prophet?

The Church of God has so many crackpot self-appointed prophets right now that no one knows who to follow.

Dave Pack and Ron Weinland have had one epic failure after another. Bwana Bob Thiel is so wimpy that he will not ever take a stand on anything and throws out so many could-be's and may-be's that he has no credibility.

That brings us to Gerald Flurry. The Phialdpha Church of God, in their latest Trumpet Brief, claims that Flurry is a real prophet.

Dear Subscriber,

If you’ve seen anything from the Trumpet website over the past few months, you’ll know that editor in chief Gerald Flurry has written a lot about prophecies from the book of Amos as pertaining to the presidency of Donald Trump.

For this article, I want to relate some statements Mr. Flurry made about Amos—not three months ago, but from three decades ago. What took place in the lead-up to a certain fateful day in 1994 is vividly applicable to today.

On Dec. 21, 1991, based on certain end-time prophecies in the book of Amos, Mr. Flurry made the following statement to our members (emphasis added throughout):

I wouldn’t even be surprised if within the next two years you … see a massive earthquake in this world, perhaps even in Pasadena, California.

In an October 1993 message, he went further, stating:

Is it possible that God could strike with an earthquake … maybe even on January the 16th, 1994? Is it possible something like that could happen? Well yes, I would say it’s possible, especially in the state of California.

He doubled down on his warning in a December 1993 article for the Trumpet magazine:

God also says He will punish Israel with the earthquake. Will an earthquake be the next California disaster?

A massive earthquake, on or around Jan. 16, 1994, in or around Pasadena, California—warned about up to two years in advance. Ludicrous.

On Jan. 17, 1994, at 4:31 a.m., a massive 6.7-magnitude earthquake rocked Los Angeles County, California—the same county in which Pasadena is located, with the epicenter only 20 miles away. Known as the Northridge earthquake, the event remains, to this day, the costliest earthquake disaster in United States history and the ninth-costliest natural disaster.

So there you have it. Flurry is a better prophet than Bob Thiel or Dave Pack!

Poor Bob Thiel. You know things are bad when Gerald Flurry can show up Bob.  Bob is always the bridesmaid jumping for the bouquet and never the bride. Poor little fella. 

You can read the full article here: Gerald Flurry, Amos and the Earthquake

Gerald Flurry: If You Got Upset Over My Failed Prophecy Then You Probably Needed To Be Upset...What????

 

Not only do we have Dave Pack lying through his teeth right now, but we also have Gerald Flurry. After Flurry made a royal Mannassite ass of himself in declaring that Trump would be reelected, he is doubling down on his lies just as Dave Pack is.

Flurry is so arrogant in his self-righteousness that he blames everyone else around him for not understanding why his prophecy failed. If people were upset by its failure then maybe they needed to be upset. What?????? COG leaders never take any responsibility for their actions and always blame others.

Flurry, like Pack and Thiel, claim that they and they alone are conduits for God's messages to the church. New revelation is constantly streaming out of them and is always something never heard before in the entire span of Christianity. Apparently, we are supposed to look upon these charlatans as inspired.

From Exit and Support Network

February 4, 2021 

 

GF recently denied that what he said was a prophecy, but only “words” that he said. (“This is not a failed prophecy, it’s not a prophecy at all. It’s what ‘I’ said”) This was in his January 23 sermon. 

 

He also said, “Everybody has to be”tried and tested” and even brought out that, “Maybe some of our co-workers need to be shaken up by something like this (the false prophecy). Maybe that’s exactly what they need.” 

 

He keeps trying to cover over his lies. He said he was “sorry for upsetting some people–unless that’s what God wants done.” It’s never a genuine apology. He even said, “The Apostles were 2,000 years off” and then chuckled about it. 

 

He was filled with so much vanity in this January 23 sermon (“Where Are We in Bible Prophecy? Pt. 2”) and boasted, “There has been all kinds of new revelation given to me–over 50 books and booklets have new revelation that God has given to ME.” He said there were no such people besides himself where you could get new revelation. 

 

He always talks about how God wants them to ROAR out of Zion and if they do that then God will take them to a place of safety. The only “roaring” I’ve ever heard is when he raises his voice and starts yelling. Who wants to hear that? But that is supposed to be part of the “power” he’s always talking about. 

 

He doesn’t even talk about Christ saving us and coming into our lives but said, “God is going to come back and slaughter them all and then start a new civilization.” That’s the kind of Christ he worships. –From PCG source

PCG on why church members are important

The Philadelphia Church of God has a new article up that regurgitates some stuff Herbert Armstrong wrote decades ago. It is about the "vital" role of members to the church and is from HWA's incredibly boring book, Mystery of the Ages.

Like many things written by church leaders over the decades, it has NOT aged well. It starts right off by making a ludicrous statement:

The individual lay member has his vital part in proclaiming the good news (gospel) to the world. How? Not by going out and himself proclaiming Christ’s message to the neighborhood or to the world. That is done primarily and directly by God’s apostle through radio, television and in print!

There is no better example of Christian values than by the everyday actions of a Christian in his/her everyday life. If they actually believe what they say they believe then they live it and it is apparent to those around them.  It doesn't take some globe-trotting "apostle" who has "prepaid" for his visit with world leaders so he can preach about a "strong hand from someplace." Who needs to hear that kind of crap? That message has had zero impact upon the world while the everyday lives of Christians have made such an impact that Christianity has been an active force for 2,000+ years.

The author, Christ’s apostle [Herbert], can say emphatically that the apostles, evangelists, pastors and elders could not carry on the Work of God without the loyal backing and continual encouragement of the lay members. 

 

Neither can the individual lay member develop and build within him God’s holy, righteous and perfect character without the operations of the apostle, evangelists, pastors and elders. All these various members God has set in His Church are interdependent—mutually dependent on one another. They form a team—an organized spiritual organism—utterly different from any secular and worldly organization!

Christianity, and most religions, all operate as "spiritual organisms". Most are mutually dependant upon the interaction of followers with religious/spiritual leaders. This is not something new that Herbert pulled out of his hat.

Then they get to the real reason the church needs members. Money! 

In general, the whole operation of the Church costs money. Facilities and methods are available to the Church for performance of its commission that did not exist in the first-century world. Without the tithes and generous freewill offerings of lay members, the Church commission could not be performed in today’s world.

Oh, ye of little faith! No church needs an extravagant campus. No church needs a multi-million dollar concert hall. No church needs private jets. No church needs faculty rows and housing for its elite ministers on the cult compounds in Edmond and Wadsworth. No church needs any of that. It doesn't even need its leaders going to speak to leaders of nations in the world. 

Oh, and don't forget, church leaders need the support of the members because of the INTENSE persecution they all suffer.

Without the fervent and prevailing continual prayers of all members, the Work could not be accomplished. Without the continual ENCOURAGEMENT of lay members and those over them locally, those of us operating from headquarters could not bear up under the persecutions, oppositions, trials and frustrations.

Every "persecution" PCG faces and COG's as a whole are because of their own perverse actions. When they run off at the mouth and say dumb things, treat members like crap, and make utterly asinine prophecies, they have no right to claim persecution, opposition, trials, and frustrations. These idiots brought it upon themselves. 

Also in reverse, the lay members need just as urgently the encouragement, teaching, counseling and leadership from headquarters and local pastors.

Oh no, they don't! Considering how awful the leadership is in so many of the COG's and the fact that 99.50% of them actually have no training in real counseling presents to church members things they do NOT need. 

The “loner”—the “individual Christian,” who wants to climb up into the Kingdom some other way than by Christ and His way through His Church—is not being trained in Christ’s manner of training, to rule and reign with Christ in His Kingdom!

While it is true that Christian is a "communal" faith that creates the need for community in order for the faith to grow it is not a training ground for "proper church government" nor for becoming god as Christ is god.

The Kingdom of God will be the God Family—a superbly and highly trained and organized family of God beings. The Church is God’s special school for training those He has selected and called to be trained in His Church—to be kings and priests, to rule and to teach—for their part in that Kingdom. Only those so trained in the Church will be kings and priests in the Kingdom of God.

Pure bunk. Millions of Christians down through the centuries who have never been part of an Armstrongist COG are immediately cast aside by such flippant remarks. If the soon-coming Kingdom of God is going to be comprised of current COG leadership and certain members then the licking flames of the lake of fire would be more compassionate. Can you imagine 1,000 years being ruled over by the Flurry clan and their followers? Or, Dave Pack and his ministers? Or, even Bob Thiel. Nothing could ever be more frightening!

The sad thing is that over the 80 years existence of this version of the Church of God we have had piss-poor leadership, horrendous abuses dished out on members, hundreds of false prophets, heretical teachings, and morally bankrupt leadership. 

Never has the COG NOT been an example of first-century Christianity than it is today. 

See The Vital Role of a Church Member

 

PCG soon to take the "spoils" of Americans when they are kicked out of the U.S.

 

Despoiling the Egyptians

On the Philadelphia Church of God's Facebook page, there are a lot of comments by people who are NOT part of the PCG cult and are made by people who know how dangerous and devious Gerald Flurry and the PCG are.

One person made this comment:

If you remember from your Bible stories the story about the Children of Israel leaving Egypt that the Egyptians were so glad to get rid of them that they COI took their gold, silver, animals, and other "spoils" with them as they left.

Gerald Flurry has been making comments for many months now that the United States will soon kick the PCG and its members out of the United States due to the message that they preach and the fact that Donald Trump supposedly dislikes them. This was all supposed to happen when DT was reelected.

Flurry has ingrained this teaching so well into his follower's heads that they believe they will be like the Israelites being kicked out of Egypt. When they are forced to leave the United States people will give PCG members their money, gold, silver, and other finery so that the PCG can use these items to secure food and other necessities from the Government of Jordan while PCG members are spending 3 1/2 years in Petra.

A PCG member responded to the above comment:

Sadly, this is not something dreamed up by Flurry and other PCG minions. This was something that was taught to members in sermons by various false preachers in the Worldwide Church of God. The wild fantasies that WCG ministers dreamed up and taught members are appalling. It continues on today with Bob Thiel, Dave Pack, Ron Weinland, and the PCG.

Never has the Church of God been in such a cesspool of spiritual degeneracy than it is today with the current crop of men in charge. They all demand we take them seriously, but how can we when they all lie so much?

PCG Facebook page

Gerald Flurry: " I made a mistake, and I don’t want to act like there was no mistake." But, it may not have been a mistake, God reveals things to me in coded ways, so I am right, probably...

The King of the Philadelphia Church of God and the true KING to the Church of God has a long track record of making things up and telling us that God told him to say it (like what Bob Thiel and Dave Pack do). For the last year Flurry has been adamant that President Donald Trump would be elected as proof of Bible prophecy being fulfilled. According to Flurry, soon after Trump would be reelected he would issue a decree to kick the Philadelphia Church of God out of the United States. 

Even his rebellious son, Stephen Flurry, was backing up King Daddy on these points. Low and behold, Trump was not reelected and the PCG is still parked in Edmond Oklahoma.

Like all self-appointed Church of God prophets, even when caught in lies, they make excuses to divert attention away from the lie and toward some other direction.

King Flurry and Lord of Irish dance (the true dance of God) has this to say:

Two months ago I wrote an article titled “Why Donald Trump Will Remain America’s President.” Yet last Wednesday, Mr. Trump flew to Florida, and Joe Biden was inaugurated president. 

 

I have received some criticism for what I wrote. Perhaps some of it is justified. I made a mistake, and I don’t want to act like there was no mistake. I understand why some people were confused or upset.

It is always "us" that are confused and never the lying prophets of the COG. We should all know by now that COG prophets NEVER lie! Never have and never will! 

God NEVER allows COG prophets to make mistakes. Dumb church members assume our prophets make mistakes because we never grasp the bigger picture and fail to realize that God speaks in coded messages to our prophets.

What happened in America this past week is not the end of the story. 

 

God prophesies in the Bible, and His prophecies are sure! With the apostles and the prophets, He usually does not show the whole picture in detail or all at once. He often speaks in a coded way, and then only later reveals that code. 

 

God knows what He is doing, and He can certainly correct me if He needs to. [Of ourse we all know that Proeptsh in teh church are never wrong andso God ha sno need to "correct" them] He is perfect—but His servants make mistakes. Hebrews 5:2 says, in fact, that His ministers are “compassed with infirmity.” I do make mistakes, and I will make mistakes in the future. I am not trying to defend myself—but I am trying to defend God and faith in God.

The King continues:

The word “remain” is an important part of that article and its title. I apologize for creating confusion there. But as I want to show you, even with Mr. Biden now in the White House, “Why Donald Trump Will Remain America’s President” might not actually be a mistake. 

 

I based my forecast about President Trump on two prophetic passages I have repeatedly emphasized over the past four years. I know these prophecies will be fulfilled, I am 99.9 percent sure my understanding of them is correct, and anyone can prove them!

COG prophets have a 99.99% failure rate, but I digress:

One is in Amos 7. It speaks of a time when God is preparing to measure the destruction of end-time Israel—the United States and Britain—and He says, “I will not again pass by them any more” (verse 8). This is just before severe correction on these nations if they don’t repent. They are receiving their final warning. 

The COG message has ALWAYS been claiming to deliver a "final message or warning" They have cried wolf for so long that no one listens to them anymore, not even many of their own church members!  

The last part of verse 9 says this is about “the house of Jeroboam.” Verse 10 says, “Then Amaziah the priest of Bethel sent to Jeroboam king of Israel ….” Verse 11 says, “For thus Amos saith, Jeroboam shall die ….” Verse 12 describes a message from Jeroboam that Amaziah delivers to God’s people. Then verse 13 talks about the king’s chapel—speaking of King Jeroboam. From verse 14 on is about the Great Tribulation, the time of suffering that closes the age of man. 

 

So the entire context of God saying I will not again pass by them any more is the time of “Jeroboam”—an end-time antitype of King Jeroboam ii of Israel, whom I have said is Donald Trump. You can read this passage and see how it looks like one flowing event. There is no hint of a gap or pause in Jeroboam’s reign. So you can see why I wrote the article as I did. It all looks like it’s Jeroboam’s timeline. 

 

This is clearly a prophecy of the very end for this nation, and Jeroboam is in power. It has not yet been fulfilled. So based on this prophecy alone, we can be sure that God is going to give Donald Trump that office of presidency of the U.S. sooner or later. As much as the radical left wants it to be otherwise, Jeroboam is not gone from the scene.

King FLurry claims that Satan was thwarted by the election of Trump and that infuriated Satan so much that he infiltrated the minds of the Democrats and made them the people who are destroying the chosen nation.

The devil has successfully used the radical left to destroy America, the superpower of end-time Israel. But God intervened and stopped him—temporarily—by the hand of President Trump. That has enraged them all the more. They have committed multiple treasonous acts trying to ruin President Trump—ceaseless condemnation, spying, a baseless three-year criminal investigation, impeachment. These attacks were all based on grotesque lies, and they knew it! That is diabolical evil!

God sent President Trump specifically to deal with that evil and to save Israel temporarily. That work is not complete. So this too shows that he is coming back. 

All of this idiotic thinking comes from the British Israelism myths that the U.S. is some long-lost tribe and deserves God's special blessing over all other peoples on the earth. No true prophet of God ever lives OUTSIDE the United States, just like there are no real Christians outside of a few "elect" in the rest of the nations. 

The owner of the True Coronation Stone and King of the Church of God continues on:

There is a lot of evidence of election fraud. God certainly saw it all. Is God showing us that the election was stolen by maintaining the flow about Jeroboam in this prophecy? Perhaps He looks on Mr. Trump as still being president of the United States!

I have thought the election was stolen. It adds a lot of weight to that idea if that is how God Himself views it! I believe that is what God is saying here; other people will have to study this and decide for themselves what they think about it. 

 

One thing is for sure: God is going to bring Mr. Trump back. It will happen at most in four years—yet I can’t conceive of it being anywhere near that length of time. Because with radicals in power, how would we get the work done? When the devil is inspiring people, God’s work is their number one target! And look how they are using their power over the media, technology companies and social media to silence anyone who disagrees with them! They are clamping down on free speech in a shocking way!

Damn those Democrats! Thwarting the work of God at every corner! 

When Satan is no longer the boogeyman, COG leaders need another alternative to place the blame on. Since so many COG leaders are conservative in their beliefs and stances, it is logical that they see the "other" as their oppressors. They always need some other thing to divert attention away from them when caught in their lies.

When they get caught it is always an attack from Satan and his minions. Satan is pissed at COG leaders and the do-nothing works they have.

When Thiel, Flurry, Weinland, Weston, Kubik, and other start whining they are being censored about the complete stupidity that they say, you can be assured that it will be an attack from Satan to stop someone's amazing work.

The Dancing King ends with this:

We have to recognize that the radical left is interfering with God’s plan! You can be sure God will not let that stand. I still believe what I wrote in that article—that God is about to do some massive exposing of how the election was stolen and other crimes the left is committing. I don’t know exactly what God will do, but He could expose all this very shortly—and then what happens? If Mr. Trump had the election stolen from him, then it should flow right on with him being president. I don’t know that he will. Time will tell if I’m right or wrong.

All any Church of God member needs to remember is that if ANY Church of God self-appointed prophet utters even one wrong thing, then they are false prophets and liars. 

15 "Be wary of false preachers who smile a lot, dripping with practiced sincerity. Chances are they are out to rip you off some way or other. Don't be impressed with charisma; look for character.

16 Who preachers are is the main thing, not what they say. A genuine leader will never exploit your emotions or your pocketbook. These diseased trees with their bad apples are going to be chopped down and burned. Matthew 7:15 - 20

 

PCG And Its INSANE "Logic": Because Flurry's Prophecy About Trump Failed, The World Now Knows There Was A Prophet Among Them...Wut?

No one in the COG movement expects anything logical to come out of the top 4-5 COG's anymore. The absolutely insane beliefs, teachings, and words spoken by these buffoonish leaders know no boundaries in reality.

Gerald Flurry and the Philadelphia Church of God have been on a holy terror over the last year insisting that Donald Trump would remain as President and Biden, Hillary, and Obama would be in prison by now. But, low and behold. It is now Wednesday evening on the date of the swearing-in of Joe Biden as the 46 President of the United States. Biden is in Washington, Donald Trump is in Florida, and Gerald Flurry has been proven to be a liar again. No shocker there!

Joel Hilliker said this yesterday in an article on their WatchJerusalem site:

That brings up the second historic thing occurring this week. This has to do with the organization behind Watch Jerusalem. Though small compared to the great machinations inside the halls of power in Washington, we are right in the center of this historic moment. That prophecy from Mr. Flurry is out there. We have advertised his article “Why Donald Trump Will Remain America’s President” on our website, in many online news sources and social media channels, to millions of subscribers of the Epoch Times, Newsmax and RealClearPolitics, plus Arutz Sheva and campaigns in France. The article has attracted a quarter million page views on watchjerusalem.co.il and our sister-site Trumpet.com in English and thousands more in other languages. Mr. Flurry’s prophecy is out there. 

 

And now only God can back him up. 

 

Watching the news, Mr. Flurry’s statement that Donald Trump will remain America’s president seems impossible. Because even if facts emerge showing incontrovertible election fraud, American media are in lockstep with radical Democrats to block the truth from ever reaching the average American. 

 

This is an up-against-the-sea, trapped-by-the-mountains, army-at-our-backs moment. Nobody can change this except God. 

 

Mr. Flurry continues the work of Herbert W. Armstrong, whom God used as an end-time type of Elijah (Malachi 4:5-6). The original Elijah faced a large group of false prophets who held a lot of power and collusion with the political authorities over the nation. He faced off directly against them, building an altar, laying a sacrifice on it, then pouring on it large amounts of water. Then he prayed only a short prayer. Yet he was absolutely confident God would answer! 

 

What happened? Fire from heaven devoured that sacrifice. God backed up His servant. Imagine what it would have looked like if He didn’t. But He did. 

 

We don’t know how God will intervene. Like many of our readers, we have looked at the Constitution and the political situation and the Bible, and we have thought perhaps God would intervene this way, or that way, or maybe this other way. We don’t know how, but we trust that some way God will intervene so His prophecies will be fulfilled. His ways are higher than our ways. We do not know how God’s prophecies will stand, but we know they will stand! 

 

Many people are watching us closely. If God does not intervene, a lot of people would feel justified in accusing Mr. Flurry of being a false prophet. But God says people will know that a prophet has been among them (Ezekiel 2:5; 33:33). 

Hilliker ends with this:

God does work in a way we can understand, believe and obey: He works through human government, led by God Himself. And how He respondswhen we believe Him, believe His prophets, and demonstrate our faith. 

 

We deeply believe that, somehow, this world will soon know that a prophet of God was among them. This seems like a spectacular opportunity for God to demonstrate that, and we have been trying to spread the word. Now God has to back up His man! Like those ancient people of Judah, we need to be praying for that. od that Flurry created did not back him up

Oops! Looks like the creature god that Flurry created did not back him up. Another failure! 

That is a big part of what you—yes you—can do to seize this historic opportunity. Not many of these come around in one lifetime. 

 

Prove Amos 7. Prove 2 Kings 14. Watch these events closely. This is your moment to live by faith! This is your opportunity, your test, to show God your mind and heart. This is your chance to prove God—and for Him to prove you. Put this squarely in God’s hands. This is your chance to stop ignoring, stop waiting, stop delaying, stop disbelieving. Believe in the Lord your God—so shall you be established. Believe his prophets—so shall youprosper. Why This Inauguration Day Is Especially Historic

It must be the member's fault for not putting their entire faith behind Flurry and this momentous prophecy!

As usual, it will be the member's fault that Flurry told a lie and Trump did not remain as president and that Jesus isn't going to return soon.

Gerald Flurry Still Expecting Major National Trauma On Inauguration Day.

 

Gerald Flurry has been stating in sermons and in his official church rags that Trump will remain in office and Biden will NOT be sworn into office as President on January 20th. Both he and Lil'Stevie have been making this prediction. They also expect major military disruptions on the 20th, across the country.

The other thing Flurry has his members whipped into a frenzy about is that he claims that when Trump is sworn back in as president, after the military arrests all corrupt Democrats, that he will then banish and exile the PCG from the United States.

The fact that his members sit there and believe these lies is as appalling as those in Dave Pack's cult who believe his "christ" is ready to return any hour now.

Will Flurry apologize for lying on the afternoon of the 20th or on the 21st? We all know he won't. He will say that his creature "christ" delays his coming because the church has a work to complete, or that the members of PCG were spiritually weak and need more time to prove to God they are worthy.

The Church of God is sick and gets sicker by the day.

Can Some UCG, LCG, GCG, and Other COG Members Truly Be This Deceived?

 

The following was on Exit and Support Network today. Can COG members truly be this deceived after all the crap that has gone on in the COG over the last 30 years that they think Gerald Flurry has the truth and they are looking to join up with him? They've witnessed the lies about Malachi's Message, the impeccable no-contact orders from Flurry. The rotten treatment of members by PCG ministers. The ridiculous escapade to Oregan to dig up a rock that they now worship as the stone that their "christ" is supposed to return to. And yet, supposedly, some UCG members, Living Church of God members, and others in the splinter groupss are supposedly looking to join up with Flurry.

Laodiceans Contacting PCG:
January 15, 2021
I was told that a number of members in UCG, LCG, Global (UK) and a few other splinters are showing an interest in PCG. These, as you know, would be considered “Laodiceans.” Some of them have contacted the ministers for a visit and are tithing to PCG, while still remaining in their “Laodicean” churches. –Anonymous

Philadelphia Church of God Says The World Cannot Handle The Truth That They Have To Give

With a wild election season, Democrats taking control, weather patterns going crazy and constant rumors of war, Church of God leaders are getting whipped into a frenzy. With big tech silencing the President and right wing groups, these same COG leaders are screaming persecution. Add to all of this cacophony the rapidly approaching 35th anniversary of Herbert Armstrong's death and you have a perfect storm recipe of doom and gloom that excites these men. 

Gerald Flurry, in order to remain relevant, has been shouting from the flatlands of Oklahoma for months now about the guaranteed reelection of Trump, the persecution of media giants in the banning of certain of their videos, and now for the expected miracles about to happen on Herbert's death anniversary.

Exit and Support Network has a couple of letters up in relation to this:

Looks like PCG is getting nervous about their programs possibly being banned from YouTube. SF on the latest Trumpet Daily radio show (“The Real Coup”) said they are “expecting trouble.” He said it was because “they” can’t stand the truth. They are now going to have their own platform. 

Flurry is like Bob Thiel. They both get all pissy when their wildly absurd videos are taken down. Never mind the fact that these videos are filled with prophetic nonsense that is a result of Armstrongite teachings or that in Bob's case are just plain appallingly bad, these men see persecution at every corner as a satanic attack to thwart their mind-boggling ministries. Plus, when has Flurry (or Bob) ever told the truth? Both are biblical illiterates with no real training in eschatology, hermeneutics, and especially in Christology.

When has "truth" ever been found in any of these splinter personality cults?

Another letter mentioned a sermonette by Carlos Heyer, one of Flurry's toad-eaters makes absurd claims that great days are ahead for the Philadelphia Church of God in spite of the dangers that surround them at every corner.

Heyer says this:

“Last December 5 GF declared a churchwide fast for January 10. He outlined 3 areas to focus on during this fast.” Heyer called Gerald Flurry “our Prophet or King.” 

 

He said Brad Macdonald wrote an announcement for Europe and the UK telling who has fasted in the past; i. e., the ancient Israelites, the Jews in Ezra’s day, those in the NT, and the church under HWA. “In every instance, these fasts produced incredible fruit and the Work surged forward.” 

 

He said the theme for this fast is “Fasting and Praying for God’s Protection.” Some scriptural references he gave were Ezra 8, Daniel 9, Isaiah 58 (mentions “true fasting vs. false fasting”), Psalms 37, and Matthew 6:16-18. 

 

HWA “left us a legacy on how to fast, alternating one hour of study, one hour meditation, and one hour prayer, then begin the cycle again.” 

Then it becomes quite clear as to why Flurry is calling a fast. He wants more money! Income is stagnant. Membership is stagnant and/or dropping. As members leave the church no new ones appear to be interested in their nonsense.  Of course, Satan's use of COVID to throttle the work is to blame.

GF had said: “The coronavirus is holding the Work back in many ways and we need more laborers; and we need to make sure we are overcoming Satan the Devil. 

 

He read more from Brad Macdonald’s announcement in which he went through 3 areas/points to focus on: 

 

(1) Fast and pray for God’s intervention in the covid 19 situation as it is holding back the Work (even tho the income has not been adversely affected). 

 

(2) Fast and pray for more members and laborers. Overall membership has not increased. 

 

(3) GF has said these are exciting and intense days, but they are also dangerous. The only way we can thrive and perform at the level God needs us to is if we are close to God. Examine ourselves for anything that is separating us from God. Examine your relationship with the world. Are you too close to the world? Too materialistic? 

Too materialistic? WHAT????? This is PCG after all and the FLurry clan. They are shining examples of excess and lust for the good things in life. Campus buildings built just so Flurry's grandkids can learn the sacred Irish dance, luxury private homes on campus filled with fine art and other extravagancies, a money-draining concert hall, a boondoggle jet that sits parked in a hanger until Lill'Stevie wants to flay back and forth to England or Jerusalem, or for their exclusive use any time Flurry's grandkids need to compete in an Irish dance competition somewhere in the world. And let's not forget they excursion to Oregon to dig up a dirty old rock and bring it back to the cult compound where they placed it on a bed of royal purple velvet and then encased it in glass so the faithful can come and worship it, at least until till Jesus comes and sits his kingly butt upon it. after Flurry flies it to Jerusalem. 

“Let’s beseech Him to further empower this great Work and to help us prepare individually and collectively for the return of Jesus Christ.”

Let's pray that this NOT happen because this is NOT a "great work" and it also has absolutely NOTHING to do with Christ. This abomination, along with Dave Pack's, Bob Thiel's and Ron Weinland's, need to be buried in the trash heaps of the valley of Armageddon where their cults all belong.

Why Are COG Leaders Such Horrendous Liars?

 

Have you ever noticed that in the Church of God telling "the truth" is always publicly deemed the honorable and right thing to do, besides that, it is one of the 10 commandments to not lie? Yet, COG leadership is filled with self-appointed prophets, apostles, chief overseers, pastor generals, multiple Elijah's and Elisha's, and scores of other agents of doom and gloom, and through all of their predictions, sermons, and writings do openly and blatantly lie to the church and the world. 

When caught in their lies and their prophecies that fail, do any of these little men ever apologize for lying to us?

Rod Meredith lied about Leona McNair in front of 700 ministers and their wives at a ministerial conference. She sued him and the Worldwide Church of God. They spent hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to intimidate her and get the case thrown out. Meredith was found guilty and the church had to pay Leona McNair a huge sum of money, besides paying legal fees.  Did Meredith ever apologize to Leona? Did the WCG ever apologize to Leona?

Dave Pack has repeatedly lied about Christ returning for many years now. He has lied about three COG leaders being killed and all of their followers coming over to join the Restored Church of God.  He has lied about his "all things common" teaching, which is not a new covenant command. Will Dave ever apologize for lying to us?

Ron Weinland has lied for many years about his "christ" returning. Even while sitting in prison with his new "bunkmate" Big Bubba, he continued to send out lies to his few faithful. He lied to us when he said he and his dingy wife Laura will be the two witless witnesses. Will Ron ever apologize for lying to us?

Bob Thiel has lied to us from day one about God speaking to him in dreams, that he is the only COG doing the work, that he is a prophet, that he is Elisha, Elijah, Zephaniah, Joshua, and many other appropriated personalities (about the only thing left to call himself is Legion). Has Bob ever apologized and will he EVER apologize for lying to us?

Gerald Flurry lied about God sending him "Malachi's Message" after plagiarizing it from another source. He has lied that he is following in Herbert Armstrong's footsteps. He has lied about HWA's prayer rock, its significance, and that it will be the new coronation stone that Jesus is returning to. He has made so many false prophecies that even the demonic realm stands in awe of him. He has lied about Trump, Biden, Obama, Clinton, and Bush. He has lied that the Philadelphia Church of God WON the lawsuit for Mystery of the Ages. Flurry has told more lies than I think Dave Pack has. Will Gerald ever apologize for lying to us?

That brings us to Stephen Flurry. I am not even going to get into his book he wrote that was one lie from the first page to the end but will feature a few of his current lies that he and his father are promoting about the Trump/Biden shit show.

Stephen and his dad have been working overtime in stating that Donald Trump will remaining office and that Biden will never be President. Stephen doubled  down with this way of thinking on January 1, 2021, when he stated the following:

The God of the Bible is absolutely trustworthy. When He makes a promise, He keeps it. When He issues a prophecy, you can stake your life on it coming to pass!

I have lived my life by this truth for over four decades. And I have seen God deliver miracle after miracle. Never has God failed to do what He said He will. 

 

Back in November, I wrote an article titled “Why Donald Trump Will Remain America’s President.” This article is based on some prophecies in the Bible, and to this day I remain convicted that it is 100 percent reliable. All the evidence may look contrary, but that doesn’t shake my conviction. God will ultimately stop Joe Biden from being America’s next president. Read that article to see what God prophesied. Those prophecies are sure. Keep your eyes on events, and watch what God does!

No prophecy in the Bible concerns this election, never has and never will. That has not stopped the Flurry clan and tabloid papers in England from attempting to legitimize their nuttiness:

This article understandably garnered quite a bit of attention, even from news sources. It was quoted by the United Kingdom’s Daily Express website, which receives around 100 million visits each month—the UK’s most visited website. In an article titled, “Donald Trump Prophecy: Bible Preacher Claims Trump ‘Will Remain President,’” they wrote: “After a month of failed lawsuits and unsubstantiated cries of electoral fraud, Democrat Mr. Biden looks to have his victory certified on December 14 by the Electoral College. … A popular U.S. evangelist and founder of the Philadelphia Trumpet magazine has announced President Trump will retain his seat in the Oval Office by the grace of God. According to Pastor General Flurry of the Philadelphia Church of God, Mr. Biden’s presidency is contrary to ‘Bible prophecy.’” They then quoted several other portions of my article.

Nothing strokes the prostates of COG leaders more than having worldly people looking to them as bearers of truth. They bask in this glory and actively seek it out (i.e. Bob Thiel). In the eyes of gullible church members, they think this is one more proof from God that their leader is right while everyone else looks at them as being completely nutters.

Then Lil'Stevie goers ballistic:

They then concluded, “According to Stephen Whitmore of the Pepperell Christian Fellowship in Pepperell, Massachusetts, all attempts to foretell the return of Jesus Christ are futile and possibly un-Christian.”

The man they quoted claims to follow Christ. Over a hundred Bible prophecies thunder loudly that Jesus Christ is going to return in this generation! But this so-called Christian says it is un-Christian to talk about the Second Coming! That’s about as mad as any statement you could make about the Bible. This man is spiritually mad! He is insulting God!

I love when all of these little man-boys in leadership positions in various COG's try to be masculine powerful he-men. Even Jesus laughs at their futile attempts!

Lil'Stevie then goes on to make the only truthful statement in the entire article:

Who are you going to believe? Are you going to believe God—or a man?

Why are Church of God members such suckers for the crafty words of these men in COG leadership positions? None of them have ever told us the truth!

As this year progresses on Church of God leaders will continue to lie. They will continue to set dates. They will continue to claim nightmares are dreams sent by "god." They will claim to be prophets, apostles and most likely one of them will soon claim to be Christ on earth. They will do this without even blinking an eye and think they are God's true servants.

The Holy Child Who Resides In The PCG

In the Church of God history, there have been few sons of leaders that ever made their father proud and where they became second in command in their father's work.  Garner Ted did for a while till he couldn't keep his pants zipped and then turned on his father. Rod Meredith's boys (from both marriages) have been absolute failures when it comes to morality and leadership skills and were so bad Meredith had to bring in Gerald Weston. Dave Pack's boys left the church their father started. Joseph Tkach's son went on to lead the Worldwide Church of God into a new version of the church that no one ever imagined.

This brings us to Stephen Flurry, the most holy child of Gerald Flurry. A man/boy so significant that PCG youth are told the amazing story on how Lil Stevie read Malachi's Message and the heavens opened up for him and his mind was opened to the truth. To this day, Herbert W Armstrong College takes its students and church youth to Robbers Cave where they commemorate this historically spiritual event. They even gaze in awe at the cabin Lil'Stevie stayed in during that glorious time when the angels in heaven rejoiced at the lost child returning to the father.

As God was revealing Malachi’s Message, my children were at Ambassador College in Pasadena, California—my daughter, Laura, in her senior year; my son, Stephen, in his freshman year. That was where I felt they could get the best education on this Earth. But I became increasingly uneasy as I detected the wrong direction the leaders were taking God’s Church. Both of them were alerted to problems in the Church. I convinced Stephen to continue his education at the Ambassador campus at Big Sandy, Texas, closer to where I was in Oklahoma. 

 

That summer, on his way to Big Sandy, my son visited us in Oklahoma. I picked him up at the airport and took him immediately to our July 14 weekend church campout at Robber’s Cave, Okla. (My son was keeping a diary at the time, and recorded these events.) It was a tense weekend, because I had a rough draft of Malachi’s Message with me that I had decided to share with my son. When I gave it to him on that Sabbath, he was the first to see it, and I was very concerned about how he would respond. 

 

Some others in the Church were already suspicious about what I was doing. Stephen was also slightly unsure of where I was spiritually and didn’t read my manuscript immediately (on July 15)—he didn’t want to be accused of blindly following his dad. 

 

We need to remember that Mr. Armstrong had provided strong leadership in the Church for 57 years. We were usually suspicious of anybody who spoke against Church headquarters—that includes me! Anybody who left the Church in that period was considered to be rebelling against God. Also, Stephen’s teachers at Ambassador College had been teaching against “heretics.” 

 

So I waited in vain, and rather tensely, on that Sabbath day for my son to read Malachi’s Message.
Finally, my son read the rough draft of Malachi’s Message on Sunday, July 16, 1989—exactly 3½ years after Mr. Armstrong died! My son was positive in what he said, but he didn’t say much. I could tell he had been sobered by what he read. The sanctuary had already been cleansed, but it took a few months before that rain began to reach beyond the altar, or ministry.

For me to give Malachi’s Message to my son placed a heavy responsibility on him. I knew this was going to be a test for my son. When something like that happens, we have to make the right decision! Clearly, the way God viewed it, that was a far more significant moment than it would have appeared. 

 

Young people, realize: My son really wrestled with that choice—as probably any unbaptized person would have. He loved college, yet here was his dad doing something that many members dismissed as rank rebellion! God made him choose—just as He makes each of us choose. It would have been so easy to turn away from God at that point and to miss all the blessings. But if we make the right choice, God can accomplish tremendous things in our lives! We must always strive to get ourselves out of the way and let God lead us.  

In the summer of 1992, three years after my son made that choice, I received the understanding that Malachi’s Message was actually the “little book” spoken of in the 10th chapter of Revelation. (This truth is explained in our free booklet The Little Book.) I first delivered this revelation at our Philadelphia Youth Camp that summer. That is the only time I have given new revelation to a group of unbaptized young people. I didn’t make that choice, God did!  Gerad Flurry: Robbers Cave And New Revelation

As I mentioned above, students go to Robbers Cave every year to commemorate this historical event. 

Robbers Cave in Wilburton, Oklahoma (Grant Turgeon) 

 

Robbers Cave can provide any number of things for Herbert W. Armstrong College students: a much-needed rest from the rigors of college life, a respite from the bustle of our interconnected society, time for reflection on the site’s integral role in the Philadelphia Church of God’s history, appreciation for creation, strong bonds within the college family, an improved relationship with God, or a life-turning point. Never mind the lack of heating, “actual beds,” or pleasant shower conditions, as some might point out. What's it like at 'Robbers Cave'

In England/Scotland they have "Robbers Cave Sunday"

‘Robbers Cave’ in Galloway, Scotland (Paris Turgeon) 

 

We got back from ‘Robbers Cave’ Sunday evening. It’s odd calling it that because comparatively, it was nothing like our usual Oklahoma Robbers Cave experience. I could go into detail about how we had heat and actual beds, and that I didn’t have to wear flip-flops in the shower, etc., but that seems unfair. I will just say that it was a different experience—a wonderful, beautiful, mesmerizing experience.

Idolatry is nothing new in the Philadelphia Church of God, but the absurdity of this is hilarious. It would be like Bob Thiel having a Feast site in Arroyo Grande where everyone comes to his home and stares at the holy place he has his dreams and thumps his big fat bible. The sad thing is that there are enough stupid people in his church that would do that.

EDMOND—“So what do you think?” the minister asked when his son paused while reading the manuscript. “Well, that definitely will get you fired,” his son responded.” It was July 1989, and the young 19-year-old was on a Y.E.S. camping trip with his father at Robbers Cave in southeastern Oklahoma during the summer break. But this turned out to be more than your everyday summer camping excursion. It became a pivotal moment in the history of God’s Church and marked Robbers Cave State Park as an important historical location for the Philadelphia Church of God.

Right there, in that cabin at Robbers Cave Campsite Number One, the revelation in Malachi’s Message was being shared for the first time. After the death of Mr. Armstrong, the Worldwide Church of God was being torn apart; yet off in remote rural Oklahoma, the first person besides Mr. Gerald Flurry was learning God’s revelation about what was really happening.

“I think I still have the first manuscript I received after we printed the first 1,000 [copies of Malachi’s Message ],” Mr. Stephen Flurry said. “But as for that stack of typewritten papers he handed me that weekend at Robbers Cave, I’m not sure where those ended up.”

“Its content certainly rang true,” he wrote in Raising the Ruins, “it was inspiring in fact—but I couldn’t yet commit to accepting the material without first digging into Mr. Armstrong’s foundational teachings. [My dad] agreed the content would undoubtedly get him fired. But believing it was from God, he fully intended to deliver the message to church leaders in Pasadena.”

The manuscript indeed got then-Preaching Elder Gerald Flurry fired on Dec. 7, 1989. The Philadelphia Church of God was raised up less than five months after Malachi’s Message was first delivered to his son at that wooded campsite. Because of this history-shaping event, Robbers Cave has become a significant landmark for the pcg. Herbert W. Armstrong College has retreated to the campsite almost every year since 2002, and Mr. Stephen Flurry has never missed a campout.

Every year, he returns to the campsite with his family and dozens of others whose lives were also changed by that book he was the first to read nearly 25 years ago: Malachi’s Message.
A Significant Hisotoric Landmark

All of this is made even more pathetic considering Gerald Flurry stole the entire book from Jules Dervaes who was widely distributing it in Pasadena in 1986.  See: The Letter to Laodicea

Just like everyone else in Armstrongism, new and upcoming COG leaders do not have an original concept in their heads and have to plagiarize or rewrite other's booklets and articles. Gerald Flurry is particularly crafty in this.

PCG worships a stupid book that they say has a rightful place next to the Bible, alongside Mystery of the ages. PCG, like most other COG's place their emphasis upon the holy words of their prophets and apostles and shove Jesus onto the back burner where he stays until Passover each year when they reluctantly drag him out so they can crucify him over and over year after year. Then, as soon as Passover is over, he goes back into the closet in the local Masonic Lodge or some school gym, where he remains hidden till the following year where he is seldom ever mentioned again. 

Every day we wake up the COG sinks further into madeness.

Philadelphia Church of God: A Breeding Ground For Unhappiness

...as if any of them ever did in the COG

 

There is one trait that Church of God groups have and that is their self-righteous indignation about everything they work overtime to find wrong with the world around them while their own houses are cesspools of spiritual wickedness and moral depravity.

The all-knowing purveyors of righteousness in the Philadelphia Church of God are ragging about "Universities" and how evil they are and how holy and righteous Herbert W Armstrong College is.

Rufaro Manyepa has an article up in The Trumpet about the evils of universities.

Going to university used to be considered the natural course of life for a young person. Acquiring a degree was the crowning achievement setting them up for a life of success. After all, having a degree meant making more money. But the data shows decreasing graduate salaries and rising non-graduate salaries.

In fact, having a degree is no longer even a guarantee of finding work. According to the Telegraph, graduates no longer stand out in a difficult jobs market in which degree certificates are commonplace. These grim circumstances, coupled with enormous student debt, are leading many graduates to be disillusioned with their lot.

Why are universities failing? Because the educational system as a whole is built upon the wrong foundation.

Late educator and namesake of Herbert W. Armstrong College wrote in his autobiography: “[T]he Bible is the very foundation of all knowledge—the basic concept as an approachto the acquisition of all knowledge—whether academic, scientific, historic, philosophical or otherwise. The Bible provides the missing dimension in education. Therefore, it must be the basis for all academic courses.”

Granted there is a lot wrong with universities and colleges today, but those I know that have been to university and graduated are upstanding people who contribute to their communities. They work to better their communities and the lives of those around them. None of them ever went to a Church of God "college".

What good has this "missing dimension in education" been in the Churches of God today? They have all produced a cadre of abusive ministers who have made the lives of church members a living hell. That superior education has also produced some of the most idiotic Pastor Generals, Overseers, Presidents, Apostles, Evangelists, and Witless Witnesses the church has ever seen. Well, unless you are an Overseer and you get your diploma from an Indian diploma mill then you are in a category all by yourself.

Herbert W. Armstrong College is built on the very same policy. A house built on a faulty foundation is bound to fall (Matthew 7:24-27). That is the problem facing the educational system of today. That is the reason why this world’s universities are churning out unhappy, dissatisfied graduates.

God’s college stands in stark contrast. It is built on the foundation of all knowledge, God’s Word, to teach students not just how to make a living, but how to live. The graduates from God’s college receive an academic, social, physical and spiritual education that trains not only intellect but also character.

A "house built on a faulty foundation is bound to fall". Let's look at that statement. The entire "house" that was Ambassador College/University failed. Three campuses were sold for pennies on the dollar. The very church behind them all imploded in the most ghastly manner imaginable and now we are confronted with hundreds and hundreds of bastard children of the mother church, all claiming they are the one true successor. So much for being inculcated with that true knowledge and living lives of integrity and good moral character! Does the church even have a leader today that has good moral character?

Facebook is filled with numerous COG related groups that are filled with thousands of ex-members who have shared their horror stories of what it was like being treated like dirt by COG ministers and leaders. They share their stories about how they were mistreated as children growing in the church and the spiritual damage it has wreaked in their lives.

On those Facebook pages, this blog, The Painful Truth, Exit and Support Network, As Bereans Did, and other worthwhile sites, there are hundreds and hundreds of horror stories from Philadelphia Church of God members and ex-members. The vile PCG doctrines and teachings that have wrecked people's lives, marriages, and families are shocking and continue to this day with students from their so-called college. Even PCG admits they have had a few "disgruntled" past students.

In its nearly two decades, only a tiny portion of Armstrong College graduates would claim to be unhappy. Unhappy students are certainly the exception rather than the rule. That would be a lofty achievement for this world’s universities. But even more ideal prospects loom for the entire world.

I find it hilarious that COG groups just cannot stand people who rebel against their abusive teachings and hold them accountable. 

The bleak circumstances surrounding today’s graduates will not last. Very soon, the world’s system of education will be abolished. There will be no more unhappy students, no dissatisfied graduates, no anxiety or worry among college students or the general population itself. God’s system of education, founded on right knowledge, will proliferate around this entire world. Never again will there be an unhappy graduate as all come into the knowledge of God and His way of life.

The bleak circumstances surrounding the PCG and many of the other COG's will certainly not last. Very soon, many, if not all to them, are bound for the dunghill where they belong upon. There will be no more unhappy members, no dissatisfied students, and no anxiety over whether or not they are pleasing the angry god of their leaders. The perverse personality cults that masquerade as God's very elect will be no more. None of the current leaders of ANY of the COG groups will ever again be able to destroy members' lives. 

What a glorious day that will be!