The Church of God has so many crackpot self-appointed prophets right now that no one knows who to follow.
Dave Pack and Ron Weinland have had one epic failure after another. Bwana Bob Thiel is so wimpy that he will not ever take a stand on anything and throws out so many could-be's and may-be's that he has no credibility.
That brings us to Gerald Flurry. The Phialdpha Church of God, in their latest Trumpet Brief, claims that Flurry is a real prophet.
Dear Subscriber,
If you’ve seen anything from the Trumpet website over the past few months, you’ll know that editor in chief Gerald Flurry has written a lot about prophecies from the book of Amos as pertaining to the presidency of Donald Trump.
For this article, I want to relate some statements Mr. Flurry made about Amos—not three months ago, but from three decades ago. What took place in the lead-up to a certain fateful day in 1994 is vividly applicable to today.
On Dec. 21, 1991, based on certain end-time prophecies in the book of Amos, Mr. Flurry made the following statement to our members (emphasis added throughout):
I wouldn’t even be surprised if within the next two years you … see a massive earthquake in this world, perhaps even in Pasadena, California.
In an October 1993 message, he went further, stating:
Is it possible that God could strike with an earthquake … maybe even on January the 16th, 1994? Is it possible something like that could happen? Well yes, I would say it’s possible, especially in the state of California.
He doubled down on his warning in a December 1993 article for the Trumpet magazine:
God also says He will punish Israel with the earthquake. Will an earthquake be the next California disaster?
A massive earthquake, on or around Jan. 16, 1994, in or around Pasadena, California—warned about up to two years in advance. Ludicrous.
On Jan. 17, 1994, at 4:31 a.m., a massive 6.7-magnitude earthquake rocked Los Angeles County, California—the same county in which Pasadena is located, with the epicenter only 20 miles away. Known as the Northridge earthquake, the event remains, to this day, the costliest earthquake disaster in United States history and the ninth-costliest natural disaster.
So there you have it. Flurry is a better prophet than Bob Thiel or Dave Pack!
Poor Bob Thiel. You know things are bad when Gerald Flurry can show up Bob. Bob is always the bridesmaid jumping for the bouquet and never the bride. Poor little fella.
You can read the full article here: Gerald Flurry, Amos and the Earthquake
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Leave Bob alone!
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ROTFLMAO!
For a long time the PCG has been warning of national ruin. Then they try to manipulate God into keeping Trump in office for another four years in order to keep back the day of reckoning.
So protecting "playing church" comes before Gods just judgement for national sin.
Looks like playing church is a false God.
Yeah, but is he informing his readers about the "Pasadena quake", that was to occur during the Soccer World Championship finale in the Rose Bowl.
Filthy liar.
Nck
poor Gerald but poor PCG members all the more. their false prophet of a pastor and his minion ministers are trying to damage-control the very obvious which is that Gerry is really just THAT FALSE PROPHET. what it comesdown is that PCG members are choosing to be blind when God has made it all clear and obvious to them and proved to them that Gerry is just another charlatan out to make merchandise of them. the problem is PCG members are nit really soiritually discerned nor Bible literate to prove it for themselves.
poor, poor PCG members. and, oh, yeah, the coworkers too. boo hoo hoo.
IT ONLY TAKES ONE FALSE PROPHECY TO PROVE ONE TO BE A FALSE PROPHET!!!
get that in your freaking minds. GOD is not a hit-or-miss on prophecy. GOD is 100% accurate. Flurry is not. Only Devil-influenced men make and fail on prophecies.
both Gerald and Stevie have also lied and een blamedGod for this failure in prophecy. we all know whi the father of lies are. that is who they are followingan that is who their spirit of prophecy is coming from.
if PCG members continue to support Flurry and his pack of wolf ministers, then they are NOT following God. He has made that clear by this failed prophecy. PCG members are following the false prophet Gerald Flurry empowered by the Devil himself.
I remember he predicted also about earthquakes in California, tornadoes in Oklahoma and scandals in the Clinton administration back in the early 90's. Hey Gerald, you really went out on a limb didn't you? Those things happen yearly in CA & Ok. Clinton had drama before ever even started his campaign back in 1992. Gerald Flurry = Counterfeit prophet and destroyer of lives.
The lies are really subtle.
For instance the Trumpet has an excellent article up on how obesity affects the deathrate from Covid. However it states that nutritional habits can PROTECT against Covid. That is a LIE. NOTHING but the immune system enhanced by a vaccine PROTECTS the elderly long term against Covid. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Yes good nutrition enhances chances for survival for the elderly.
So the excellence is in the nutrition part to ENHANCE chances for survival.
But the subtle LIE is the repetitive NEGATING of medical science again again and again.
nck
Liar and false prophet!
OK, so let's follow this logic.
A man said, "Is it possible an earthquake could happen on this precise day?" (note, more of a rhetorical question than an emphatic statement of prophetic nature, but let's conjecture here for a moment). We are to believe that man is a prophet.
If a sports commentator says in advance of the game, "Is is possible that the Buccaneers win 31 to 9 over the Chiefs?" Is that also a prophecy? Is that man a prophet?
What if the first man, quoted above, makes an absolute, emphatic prophetic statement that "President trump will remain in office for a second term," and "A Joe Biden presidency is contrary to Bible prophecy."?
No equivocating, no asking rhetorical questions, no vague mentions of possibilities... but a statement made clearly in the context of being 'God's prophet'. Are we also to believe that man is a prophet?
And speaking of Amos... I wonder what direction PCG would have gone if John Amos hadn't died. Would he have been a moderating influence on Gerry, or would PCG have two mad prophet kings?
". . . maybe even on January the 16th, 1994?"
This does not seem like, from the text presented, a researched and validated claim. There are no surrounding facts. Just a bare assertion of something that the reader is meant to believe with no concern for evidence. Is the statement of this date on record somewhere?
Overall, to the impartial mind this is not very persuasive.
If the credibility of the statement can be convincingly established, there are then the spiritual questions. God's prophets are not the only ones who can predict the future. But such an inquiry is beyond the scope of my experience.
Until the factual basis can be agreed on, I still hold that David Koresh has been the only apocalyptic Millerite prophet to accurately predict a significant future event.
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I wonder what direction PCG would have gone if John Amos hadn't died. Would he have been a moderating influence on Gerry, or would PCG have two mad prophet kings?
He was kind of low-key about it for the first few years of PCG, but from the beginning GRF thought of himself not just as a prophet but as one of the two witnesses. John Amos filled Slot #2 in a non-threatening way for a while, so when he died that created an opening that Lil' Stevie stepped up to fill. Then when Stevie bailed Dad out from his drunk-parking / open-container arrest, the young man was in a position of power in the cult far beyond what non-family-member Amos would ever have achieved.
THE PROPHET TONTO SPEAKS...On March 11, 2011 the fourth largest earthquake in 100 years hit Tohuku Japan, causing a tsunami , and a near nuclear catastrophe.
THINGS TO NOTE...
* This happened on the same planet that Pasadena California is located on!
* This happened "in or around" January 16th , HWA's death date, by just a mere 7 weeks! 7 is God's Number!
* HWA had association with many of the leaders of Japan!
* I wouldn’t even be surprised if within the next 20 years you … see a massive earthquake in this world, perhaps even in Pasadena, California.
* I base my prophecies, from the PROPHET AMOS and the APOSTLE ANDREW. Also known as "Amos & Andy" , in an old episode that I saw on You Tube, and that I was divinely inspired to view.
The PCG has claimed any times that California is being cursed by God because of the 1970s government receivership. Why would a just God punish millions of people for the sins of a handful of people. It's childish vindictiveness on the part of ministers to claim this.
So many times when I was in the presence of a minister, I felt that
I talking to a teenager.
Dave Pack actually addressed this in a sermon. He said Gerald Flurry is still a false prophet because he missed by one day, but he is the worst kind of false prophet because since he got so close to correctly predicting the event he was being led by the Devil himself who could initiate an earthquake.
Ten years later, Dave Pack's predictions don't even register an earthQUACK!
So maybe the real question to ask between Thiel, Flurry and Pack, is which one is in bed with the stronger Devil.
Anonymous (1:47) wrote: "It only takes one false prophecy to prove one to be a false prophet!!!"
What are we then to say of Jonah? And Paul wrote in 1 Cor 13:
"For we know in part, and we prophesy in part."
Paul was a smart guy who knew the Torah, Prophets and Writings at the level of an advanced first century Pharisee. He was also taught directly by Jesus Christ. And he had years of experience in dealing with the early Church. With a knowledge level much greater than that of anyone walking around today he makes the stunning statement "we know in part." And regarding inspired speaking he states "we prophesy in part." He also says "for now we see through a glass, darkly." Paul apparently was not a fan of emotional statements spoken with faux authority - no matter how pleasing to the unreflective hearers.
This means a bad case of heartburn for all the literalist fundamentalists and the literalist atheists whose arguments pivot on the presumed scientific precision of the Bible. It also casts a shadow on the phenomenon of predictive prophecy.
While I see in your statement as an appreciation for the credibility of the scriptures, I think each case of either failed or successful prophecy must be carefully examined to establish its validity. External evidences must also be considered such as the ethical nature of the prophet's life. How else are we to distinguish between fulfilled prophecy and coincidence? We (the audience, believers) have a Midrashic responsibility to build a case for or against. In a way you have started this but the parsing must be finer, the research more extensive.
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You are misapplying "we know/prophesy in part." For instance, Christ wept at the coming destruction of Jerusalem, but He probably didn't know the exact year and fine details. Christ went out of His way to fulfil the prophesies about His life, and God performed many miracles to fulfill ancient prophesies. All to give credibility to the bible.
Pick and choose Christianity is not the narrow gate.
IIRC, back in the 90s, Flurry was claiming that an earthquake would occur in California, but that it would be directed at "the Laodiceans" and destroy "God's physical house" (the Auditorium).
Funny how they omit that part now...
Anonymous (10:29), you wrote ". . . Christ wept at the coming destruction of Jerusalem, but He probably didn't know the exact year and fine details."
You are asserting a hermeneutic principle that states that the major points of prophecy are inviolable but some of the details may be incomplete. I do not find this principle in Paul's language in 1 Cor 13. Nor do I see it somehow as an obvious and inescapable conclusion. What I see in Paul's language is that the entire body of knowledge or the whole of the prophetic utterance may be incomplete, including both major and minor propositions. This simply because Paul never said anywhere "Maybe some of the details got left out - it happens - but all the important stuff is there." Paul did not qualify these statements about knowledge and prophecy in 1 Cor 13.
I tend to think what you suggest is a misapplication. You will need to provide support for your assertion. Otherwise, it doesn't fly.
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Ezekiel 14:9 applies to these false prophets who prophesy falsely in the name of God and the Lord Jesus Christ, like HWA, GF, DP, etc. who take His name in vain and in turn cause others to do the same.
Rsk,
Good additional info.
A PCGer: “no it didn’t occur on the said day, but it was close. No, it didn’t do what he said, but it damaged close by stuff hooray!”
The latest Trumpet magazine said:
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"...God also says He will punish Israel with the earthquake. Will an earthquake be the next California disaster?
A massive earthquake, on or around Jan. 16, 1994, in or around Pasadena, California—warned about up to two years in advance. Ludicrous.
On Jan. 17, 1994, at 4:31 a.m., a massive 6.7-magnitude earthquake rocked Los Angeles County, California—the same county in which Pasadena is located, with the epicenter only 20 miles away. Known as the Northridge earthquake, the event remains, to this day, the costliest earthquake disaster in United States history and the ninth-costliest natural disaster..."
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So, today, so many years later, did God "punish Israel with an earthquake?" Where is the proof? Are we wait more years before we know?
And if that weren't enough, why would God punish Israel? And if that weren't enough, where is/was god: Satan? Is Satan god of this world, or not? Is this world full of good, or is it full of evil? Does god, Satan, get a "pass?" Is Satan the god of the Xcogs; is Satan Flurry's buddy, who needs not to be exposed for the evils about us?
Even a governor Cuomo wants to blame God for the deaths of nursing home patients that occurred after after he allowed covid-19 patients in amongst them. Well, that is off topic.
I did go back and look at what was written about Flurry and the earthquake of 17 Jan 1994. I appreciated looking at all of the photos relative to that Northridge earthquake, because my wife and I (I attended a seminar in Torrance that week) during that week were visiting friends in Rancho Palos Verdes near Long Beach, CA. I read one magazine article that mentioned that Northridge area was the pornography capital of the world during that period of time. Was it? I don't know.
But we remember 4:31 am, because both my wife and I woke up at the same time, sat up in bed and strived to move from the bed to the bathroom. Everything was unstable. French windows in the house were rattling. Trying to walk was like walking on Jello. It was difficult to believe that a solid floor could feel so non-solid, like a fluid of jello. I could give more details about what happened to all of us in that home, but I won't. We had minimal damage, with lots to be thankful for; things could have been so much worse. It was a very bad quake (the pictures showed the amazing damage).
Will another quake strike the Pasadena area someday. I am not a prophet, but I would just say yes. Why not? Lots of California is earthquake-prone, but will God be the One who does it when it comes? Why blame/judge God? Why not consider blaming/judging god/Satan if you still teach/believe that thing is the "god of this present evil world?"
If/when another huge earthquake (are there any other kind of quakes? churchquake?) occurs in Pasadena, just who will/would you blame?
Time will tell...
John
PROPHET TONTO IS CORRECT!
News Flash Feb 13
TOKYO — A magnitude 7.3 earthquake struck Saturday off the coast of Japan's Fukushima prefecture, which was home to one of the world's worst nuclear disasters almost a decade ago.
The Japan Meteorological Agency said the quake — which it initially said had a magnitude of 7.1 — struck at 11:08 p.m. local time (9:08 a.m. ET) at a depth of 34 miles. Fourteen aftershocks were recorded, it said, adding that a tsunami warning had not been issued.
The quake was also felt in Japan's capital, Tokyo.
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