Anyway, Grant Turgeon, the narcissistic son of Wayne Turgeon, has written a glowing report about the impressive ability of Gerald Flurry to be able to deliver 7 hours of biblical information and new revelations to the huddled masses during the 2017 Feast of Tabernacles.
On October 4th Flurry preached a sermon about the book of Haggai. Flurry claims that the vision of the Feast is the cure-all for problems facing the world, including wildfires, mass shootings and threats of nuclear strikes.
EDMOND—During the Feast of Tabernacles and the Last Great Day in October, Philadelphia Church of God Pastor General Gerald Flurry delivered an opening night message, two offertories and four sermons totaling more than seven hours of biblical instruction and new revelation.
He called the vision of the Feast the solution to the many problems plaguing the world, including hurricanes, wildfires, mass shootings, and threats of nuclear strikes. He encouraged pcg members to keep their first love and to hunger and thirst for righteousness, challenging them to not let a single word fall to the ground, and to have a Feast that “shakes the heavens and the Earth,” as Haggai 2 states.Then Flurry spoke more about the new revelation he received from his resident demon about the new coronation stone he is in possession of. Apparently, his god has begun the transition stage for the transfer of power from the Throne of England, with its Scottish coronation stone, to an itty-bitty14-inch tall rock dug out of a hill in Oregon. This will soon be the stone that Jesus is supposed to return to and sit upon.
Flurry then went on to claim that all loyal tithe-paying members of the Philadelphia Church of God are "Sons of Zadok." He then proceeded to list 8 reasons why this was "true."Now is a transition stage for the throne of David, he said, from the British royal family, through the pcg, to Jesus Christ. He drew a parallel between the pcg possessing the new throne of David during a dangerous, pressure-packed end time, and a mother on the verge of giving birth. The transition stage, the baby’s descent from the womb, is the hardest yet shortest part of labor, he said. It is a time of peak vulnerability for the mother as she becomes desperate for a way to escape the agonizing pain. Mr. Flurry exhorted the brethren to have that same urgency and the same hope that birth into God’s Family is just moments away.
Did you know that one of the reasons PCG members are royal children of Zadok the high priest was that they stage musicals about Jeremiah and David in Edmond, Oklahoma? Seriously! I want to say WTF, but I won't. People truly cannot be this stupid that they fall for this, can they? Oh, wait, yes they can and did!
The message concluded with eight reasons why God’s loyal people are called sons of Zadok:
1. They cling to The United States and Britain in Prophecy.
2. They continue the dig in the City of David.
3. They are spiritual Jews who never lose the Key of David vision.
4. They continue to let God deepen that vision.
5. They continue to follow Herbert W. Armstrong, who taught the truth about David’s family throne.
6. They have staged musicals about Jeremiah and David, both of which focus on David’s throne.
7. They do all they can to proclaim the Key of David message to Israel and the whole world.
8. Is it also because they have the new throne of David?
Gerald then preached another sermon, this time about his new revelation on Herb's prayer rock magically turning into the new coronation stone. This stone far surpasses Flurry's plagiarized Malachi's Message in the most inspiring way. Herb's rock is now the centerpiece of the Philadelphia Church of God. It is now canonized with such great biblical importance that it now possess amazing powers.
On Day 4, Mr. Flurry delivered another extra-length sermon. He reviewed the revelation he announced in January about the Church possessing a new stone of destiny and a new throne of David, calling it a “radical leap” for the Church. He said the new stone, Mr. Armstrong’s prayer rock, is “so special” that it’s described in detail in the Autobiography, and said it’s “more inspiring” than Malachi’s MessageFlurry then went on to talk about Almost-arrested Bob Thiel's bromance buddy, Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg. Flurry claims Guttenberg is so pissed-off right now with Trump that he is filled with "unnatural revenge in his heart" leading him to destroy the United States. This will be sure to set of Almost-arrested Thiel who will rage with jealousy that he never thought of this first!
Mr. Flurry quoted Britain’s Winston Churchill, who said in 1924 that Germany “smolders with dreams of revenge.” Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg’s recent attacks on President Donald Trump expose him as a man with unnatural revenge in his heart, Mr. Flurry said. The Nazi underground understands that America was responsible for defeating Germany in World War i and World War ii, he said; next time, the revived Holy Roman Empire will wipe out America first.Here is the reason Flurry's god removed the Throne of David from the British Royal Family and placed it in Edmond, Oklahoma. Flurry's god was not pleased with Chamberlain and Halifax at the start of WWII because they were weak impotent little men who disgraced the Throne of England.
It takes just one man to stand up and fight for what is right, Mr. Flurry said, referencing Churchill’s refusal to make a deal with the Nazis. King George vi preferred the compromise approach of Chamberlain and Halifax, making David’s throne a disgrace, Mr. Flurry asserted. It is no wonder that God took the throne from the British royal family, he said.Philadelphia Church of God members sat there and breathlessly swallowed this bullshit believing every single word Flurry spoke as an inspired new revelation.
I have a feeling that in a few short years we will see death and destruction reign down from the hands of Flurry and the PCG members will go along with it all.
See: Pastor General Speaks on Future Vision at Fall Festival: Topics included Haggai, the transition of King David’s throne, the Holy Roman Empire, and New Jerusalem.
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My favorite picture of Mr. Poopey-pants.
Gasp. Wheeze. Death rattle.
BB
Flurry, like her half-sister Pack, are hypocrites to the core. If you are members of RCG or PCG, get out while you still can.
Grant Turgeon is Gerald Flurry's grandson.
So Gerald FLurry says that PCG's annual convention is supposed to shake the heavens and the Earth? What a strange thing to say.
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In regards to Gerald Flurry calling PCG members as "sons of Zadok" he has been doing that for a long time. Back in the November and December 1993 issues of PCG's recruitment magazine, The Philadelphia Trumpet, he and Dennis Leap wrote two articles which referred to PCG members as "sons of Zadok." Those articles were later turned into chapter 5 of the 2011 edition of Gerald Flurry's booklet, The Key of David. (See "The Sons of Zadok" in their reprint articles.)
Here is one relevant passage.
"God loves Zadok for that loyalty—so much, in fact, that He labels the faithful 5 percent in the last hour as “sons of Zadok ”! That is the title of God’s highest nobility in the last era of God’s Church! Sons of Zadok is just another way of saying the Philadelphians today." (Gerald Flurry, The Key of David, Chapter 5, 2011 edition, p. 57.)
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What bizarre paranoia Gerald Flurry showed during PCG's eight day annual convention which is called the Feast of Tabernacles even though it is nothing like the Jewish festival they claim to be observing.
"The Nazi underground understands that America was responsible for defeating Germany in World War i and World War ii, he said; next time, the revived Holy Roman Empire will wipe out America first."
This talk refers to HWA's paranoid claim in his 1956 booklet, 1975 in Prophecy, that a sinister network of Nazis working underground had survived the war intact as a functioning network ready to seek revenge against the United States. It is disgusting that Gerald Flurry is making his followers fearful based on that ridiculous and absurd screed.
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That talk about Chamberlain and Halifax is so absurd.
I also noticed where they had a short article reminder to make sure to pay those donations and tithes before December 31 to be prepared for tax season.
Flurry said that "America was responsible for defeating Germany in World War I and World War II." When I was in Minsk, Belarus, I was told by someone that the U.S. had little to do with winning WW II. I was shocked by this claim until I realized, according to Max Hastings, author of Inferno, that the Soviet Union overwhelmingly dominated the struggle against Hitler. Ninety percent of the Germans were killed on the eastern front. The Russians killed nearly 5 million Germans; the U.S. and Britain killed about 500,000. The Soviet Union suffered 65% of all Allied military deaths, the U.S. and Britain, 2 percent each. Russians killed without hatred and let themselves be killed without resisting. The Russian army was a barbarian army, which had achieved things such as only barbarians could.
3.51 AM
Russia did most of the fighting and dying during the war, but "Russians killed without hatred???" I remind you that many German civilians killed themselves as the Russians began over running German. They feared Russian hatred/revenge more than death itself.
Germany sucker punched Russia at the beginning of WW2, so without the massive American aid, it might have collapsed. They gave Russia 400,000 trucks, fuel, planes, tanks, food and even the raw materials to make ammunition.
EDMOND—During the Feast of Tabernacles and the Last Great Day in October, Philadelphia Church of God Pastor General Gerald Flurry delivered an opening night message, two offertories and four sermons totaling more than seven hours of biblical instruction and new revelation"
"Out, out, brief candle! Flurry, Pack and Thiel are but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets their hours upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and Flurry,
Signifying nothing.
McDen Scene V
When will the people in the pcg start bowing down before Gerald Flurry when they are in his "exalted" presence? If they don't, then he is not actually a king. He is just a man with no more powers than any other man. Sorry to pop your bubble.
In retrospect, it wasnt that the USA or Russian "beat" the Nazis, it is more like Hitler "lost" the war for the Germans. I believe that God caused the befuddlement in Hitlers decisions to be so.
Whether it was prematurely opening up a second front, or dividing his army in Russia after doing so, or not capitalizing on Dunkirk, or even declaring war on the USA after Pearl Harbor, or pursuing jet bombers and wasting time , when fighter jets could have been developed much easier and quicker, Hitler was his own worse enemy.
Grant Turdeon? Sounds like the name of an asshole.
He knows better than to take on the full trappings of, say, King Harley Race. :)
My husband used to watch Mr. Flurry on The Key Of David program and would get his literature and even began sending tithes. After about a year my husband requested a visit from a PCG minister, the minister wanted my husband to read/study a book called Malachi's Message, which he did several times and the minister kept coming to our home once a week for roughly 6 months and finally he told my husband that he wasn't ready to attend sabbath services . My husband felt like a fool for his time being wasted. He threw out the literature and stopped sending them money. How the hell can people like flurry and his ministers live with themselves treating others like dirt?
We won WWII, if indeed it is possible to win a war. And, the talking heads have been analyzing and exploiting all the data in the years since. Part of Armstrong fear-fomentation, as well as the excusing of the false prophecies HWA broadcast throughout the war years, has been to make it appear as if one small factor would have changed the outcome. However, a "close" war, like a close sporting match, will always appear to be capable of going either way right up until the win.
Obviously, HWA was professionally embarrassed when his team failed to win the war and to usher in Armageddon, and the establishment of Armstrongism as God's government on earth forever and ever, so, he began preaching a rematch. Even insisted that Hitler was still alive. Certain ones have based their entire lives on what HWA said, and now that they're about out of time, they're koo koo for Armageddon. Watch for more craziness and meltdown as HWA's prophecies continue to fail.
BB
Yes, the Russians did more fighting and dying, but without the massive support of the USA, they could not have done what they did. Nor could the English. It was Peaarl Harbor and our entry into the conflict that turned the tide. We were at the time mostly unreachable so our massive idustrial might turned the tide for everyone. As soon as the wolf packs of submarines were decimated, supplies flowed in an ever increasing tide.
Hitler was the head of the "Third Reich"....after WWII,during Operation Paperclip, many NAZIs were brought into the USA and headed important projects, like the Apollo program etc...The USA is clearly the "Fourth Reich"...the fourth and last reich before the Messiah returns. the USA/NATO/Israel alliance is the beast power, also called the "King of the North" in scripture....the fourth and final resurrection of the ROMAN EMPIRE. My money is on Trump as the AC. Let Flurry suck on that.
Have you all noticed that one by one, they are all on the path of madness.
If people are so blind as to not now admit this, then surely they are just as mad.
Sweetblood,
Each of the madmen can recognize the others as mad. It's just like an asylum where 15 inmates claim to be Napoleon, and each of those 15 can see quite clearly that the other 14 are insane.
Honeybee, ministers in those ACOG cults don't give a shit about the laymembers because all they have on the brain is the almighty dollar. I've been told that if you have a good paying job you have a better chance of being allowed to join. Be thankful that your husband came to his senses before it was to late.
A poll stated that 50% of millennials support or sympathize with communism. Maybe Gerald and the far right (capitalists) should be more worried about the far left than the National Socialists (who, as their name implies, were actually centrists, not 'far right' despite all the rhetoric to the contrary).
"... or even declaring war on the USA ..."
Roosevelt was secretly sinking Hitler's ships so there was already a war going on. This was hidden from the public by the military industrial complex and the media. Hitler just made the war official because he kept the Geneva convention better than the Americans. He wanted his Admirals to be able to legally fight back rather than illegally fight an undeclared war like the USA often does (like Vietnam and Seal Team Six, the CIA, etc).
Flurry is a spin-off from the controlled opposition.
"Even insisted that Hitler was still alive"
You lie (as usual). They merely suggested Hitler could still be alive. Nobody insisted. Liar.
Lucky you, hiding behind your screen. Oh well, the exact Plain Truth or Good News issue that contained the article on Hitler being alive has been cited here by others several times in the past, and it was a proclamation, not a mere suggestion. I guess it's hardly surprising that some worthless slug who constantly whitewashes Hitler would apply the same technique to HWA.
BB
“God's ONLY True Apostle Delivers Up To 7 Hours Of New Revelations”
In fact, Gerald Flurry claimed to be a PROPHET. And not just any prophet. Gerald Flurry soon taught that he, rather than Jesus, was what he called “That Prophet” of Deuteronomy 18:18-19. So close and yet so far! Gerald Flurry was only one verse away from actually telling the truth. Gerald Flurry really is one of the prophets mentioned in Deuteronomy 18:20.
Gerald Flurry even edited Mystery of the Ages because Herbert W. Armstrong had said in it that no prophets are mentioned as having administrative, executive or preaching functions in the New Testament Church, and that there are no prophets in the church today. Gerald Flurry was so busy coming up with names, titles, offices, and positions for himself during the first twenty years of his imposter cult's existence that he did not even seem to know that Herbert W. Armstrong had taught that the church was led by an APOSTLE, meaning “one sent forth” to preach the gospel of the kingdom of God. Tossing the title of apostle on the pile of his other names, titles, offices, and positions was sort of a belated afterthought for a little drunkard like Gerald.
Notice that the kooks like Gerald Flurry, David Pack, Ronald Weinland, and Bob Thiel all want to be prophets, and all want to run the church.
From pages 244-245 of the hardcover edition of Mystery of the Ages by Herbert W. Armstrong:
"No prophets are mentioned as having either administrative, executive or preaching functions in the New Testament Church."
From page 350 of the hardcover edition of Mystery of the Ages by Herbert W. Armstrong (emphasis mine):
"All teaching came from Christ through the apostles--and a few times Christ communicated to apostles via the prophets (of which there are none in God's church today since the Bible for our time is complete)."
“God's ONLY True Apostle Delivers Up To 7 Hours Of New Revelations”
Early on, Gerald Flurry started babbling and scribbling about how his PCG imposter cult had been “FLOODED WITH NEW REVELATION.”
A lot of people drowned spiritually in that sewer flood that occurred when Gerald Flurry was so full of it that all that dung inside of him came out his mouth rather than out his other end. Sometimes it is difficult to tell the two ends of him from each other. His front end looks so much like his back end that it is hard to tell whether he is coming or going.
Hitler is dead! If he was alive he would be over 100 years old!
Who the heck is "Zadok"? He sounds like a fictional sci-fi character from an intergalactic Star Wars, or Star Trek type movie. Is he like Darth Vader's side kick or Mr. Spock's brother or something? This Flurry is quite the fruit-loop, I think he's from outer-space like from the planet moron.
Craig
False, Moldy, White Bread on November 29, 2017 at 1:18 PM said...
“Hitler was the head of the 'Third Reich'....after WWII,during Operation Paperclip, many NAZIs were brought into the USA and headed important projects, like the Apollo program etc...The USA is clearly the 'Fourth Reich'...the fourth and last reich before the Messiah returns. the USA/NATO/Israel alliance is the beast power, also called the 'King of the North' in scripture....the fourth and final resurrection of the ROMAN EMPIRE. My money is on Trump as the AC. Let Flurry suck on that.”
Is this why they call you False Bread? The only thing that keeps you from being as bad as Flurry or Pack is that you probably don't have any followers, even though you do appear to be inspired by similar demons.
“Flurry then went on to claim that all loyal tithe-paying members of the Philadelphia Church of God are 'Sons of Zadok.'”
Sons of Zadok?
PCG members? Sons of Satan!!!
BIG difference.
“He said the new stone, Mr. Armstrong’s prayer rock, is 'so special' that it’s described in detail in the Autobiography, and said it’s 'more inspiring' than Malachi’s Message”
Malachi's Mess. was made by Gerald Flurry. Gerald Flurry copied it from Jules Dervaes who had sent him a copy. Gerald Flurry updated his version of it half a dozen times over the years and taught that it had been delivered by a “Mighty Angel”/Messenger/Mailman.
From doing the anti-Elijah work of turning the hearts of the fathers and their children against each other, to causing totally unnecessary divorces, to stealing God's tithes, Gerald Flurry somehow manages to do the exact, diametrical opposite of everything that the real book of Malachi in the Bible actually teaches.
It is easy for even a stone to be more inspiring than Malachi's Mess.
Anonymous on November 29, 2017 at 4:39 PM said...
'Even insisted that Hitler was still alive'
You lie (as usual). They merely suggested Hitler could still be alive. Nobody insisted. Liar.
The Plain Truth
a magazine of understanding
VOL. XVII, NUMBER 2
AUGUST 1952
Copy and paste this address into your browser:
http://www.herbert-w-armstrong.com/magazines/plain_truth/Plain%20Truth%201952%20(Vol%20XVII%20No%2002)%20Aug_w.pdf
BB bravely makes threats from thousands of miles away. Boy am I scared.
The CIA has overthrown, what is it now, about 50 countries since WWII? Including assassinating Kennedy, maybe you could include the USA, now run by the Deep State.
1.18 PM
From memory, America/NATO/Israel being the beast power, is the Jehovah Witness position. The JW came knocking on my front door and gave me their sales pitch, including their take on prophesy.
7.24 PM
You're probably thinking of the 1974 science fiction movie Zardoz staring Sean Connery. It was ahead of its time.
6.43 PM
I remind you that Herb was called more than a Apostle. We were constantly ear bashed from the pulpit with the words 'The Chosen Apostle Mr Herbert W Armstrong.' It was a fancy pants title to exalt 'His Royal Highness,' so in practise it meant more than your humble 'one sent forth.'
Didn't Christ condemn such title giving with his 'call no man your master.'
But then, there's no defense against creativity.
There has been many fine media articles/videos that gave proof that Hitler did not die in 1945. British and Russian researchers have provided evidence that clearly pointed to Hitler escaping to South America at the end of the war. Obviously Hitler is now dead.
America is NOT the beast but is the woman riding the beast. She will be put out of her misery not by Germany, but by a revived Russia. America's goose is cooked. Her currency is becoming less and less accepted around the world, and will be shortly replaced by the Yuan.
The coming war with NK will be America's last war.
I just love how the folks on this website go way off topic from what the actual article is all about.
BB
A shame you gave that fruitcake a chance.
HWA NEVER SAID HITLER WAS ALIVE. Now the Hitlerian fruitcake got the chance to call you a liar.
As a matter of fact HWA never said many things attributed to him that seemed to have hurt his followers so much over the years. Yes. Many times he implied, but his followers believed.
For a complete understanding of this phenomenon I refer all to "'the life of Brian" by Monty Python. (disclaimer contains strong blasphemy but more truth into human behavior regarding religion)
nck
Why is it that when HWA says in an article, "I don't believe Hitler is alive" people on this site claim he did?
The truth of the matter is that until 1955 the CIA sent out hunting parties to examine claims regarding Hitler as was revealed this October by the release of classified papers. So in 1952 again HWA was citing CIA material as he did in 1940 regarding the German plans for Ukrainian invasion.
And I can cite a hundred more examples of untruths regarding HWA on this site that unfortunately detract from the fruitcake split off leaders.
The more people know about what HWA originally said the more crazy some of the splinters appear in contrast. People on this blog should hand them fother by misquoting HWA.
nck
The preoccupation with pseudo-history, rocks, dynasties, race, dubious assertions about Biblical prophecy and conspiracies is a motif that is discordant with the words of Christ in the New Testament. I think anyone who has any familiarity with the NT and its themes can readily apprehend how "off the rails" this stuff is. It is light-weight and backwater and obviously so.
It is sad that there are people who find the promises of the NT so boring that they must delve into this odd domain of the fantastic, possibly occult, to gen up some interest in religion. Or maybe they want to be distracted from the words of Christ.
It is a mystery why this preoccupation now. Didn't they get enough of this futile riff back in HWA's regime. They "sat there and breathlessly." Maybe the problem is the effect of oxygen starvation on the well-washed brain.
-- Neo
And yet, the article, nck. However, even when he did actually imply, he covered that in several ways. He instructed us many times to take the words of "God's ministers" (euphemism for himself and his trainees) as if they had been personally spoken to us by Jesus Christ. He also categorized disagreeing with him as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
If there is such a thing as the deep state, the administrators are globalists. One of the reasons why we've got a non-deep-state president (a marked departure from the past three decades) is that the Democrats were about to totally reengineer the basic fabric of American society through a radicalization of Section Eight housing. The global economy requires a stable consumer base, such as the American middle class. The section 8 pilot program in Dallas-Fort Worth has been an abyssimal failure, with the results constantly spewing into national headlines.
We can observe and know that someone has done a really effective job of tying President Trump's hands. That's really quite fortunate, because the magnitude of problems faced by humanity on planet Earth requires global management, global solutions. Hopefully, we will see the US return to sanity in the coming election cycles. If not, then Armstrongism's "Israel" could actually end up turning the other world powers against us, by obstructing generally agreed upon solutions, and ushering in "Armageddon"
BB
"WE HAVE WON OUR LAST WAR..."
Hitler died in 1945. The idea that he was hiding in South America and would rise up to become the leader of the United States of Europe is another failed prediction (I hesitate to grace it with the term "prophecy" which implies some inspiration).
And the Germans are not Assyrians. This is demonstrable from a couple of angles but genetics is the most convincing. We could compare the modern Germans in Europe with the modern Assyrians in the Middle East but I believe it is the position of the Armstrongists that the two groups are unrelated. So I will not go there.
The argument goes like this: the Adam of Genesis had a haplogroup. We can identify that haplogroup by looking at his verifiable modern day descendants, the Jews. The dominate haplogroup among Palestinian Jews is haplogrop J. (Adam did not give rise to all the haplogroups found in mankind because he did not live long enough ago to do this. When Adam was created in the Neolithic, haplogroup R1b, for instance, already existed on the steppes of Russia.) Haplogroups are passed down in the masculine line so Noah was haplogroup J like his forefather Adam. This means (check the table of nations in genesis) that Asshur was also haplogroup J. Modern day Germans are predominantly haplogroups R1b and R1a. Hence, Asshur in no way gave rise to the modern day Germans.
To argue that the ancient Assyrians were R1b/R1a like the modern day Germans, one must invalidate the Table of Nations in Genesis and the findings of the science of genetics and archaeology. For those who need a more "liberal arts" approach, the wall paintings of the ancient Assyrians contained traces of pigment. When the paintings are reconstructed, they show the Assyrians not as Northwest Europeans but as Middle Easterners. They are uniformly depicted with dark curly hair and light skin.
The whole construct of prophecy built by HWA/Hoeh is now easily demonstrated as bogus.
-- Neo
Anon 8:14 PM apparently didn't read his own article.
The 1952 article does NOT say "Hitler is alive." It says that Hitler didn't die in his bunker at the end of WWII. Six years later, HWA says Hitler is "probably" still alive, but all he takes as fact is that the "bunker suicide" story is bogus.
Nck
Your 'Herb never said many of the things attributed to him' isn't quite right. With his marketing skills, he was a master deceiver. What he often did is strongly imply a idea, and then use repetition to make the listener believe his point. This ploy is still used by the splinter leaders, especially Dave Pack. So it means that they exercise power without the legal liability. The best example of this is the 1975 debacle where Herb said over and over, 'we don't set dates (exemption from liability) but consider evidence A...we don't set dates but consider evidence B, we don't set dates, but consider evidence C.....etc, etc'
Herb effectively lied while denying his lies when his trusting members came to grief.
Rubbish Connie. Hitler had firsthand Generals like Rommel who alone could have defeated the allies had he a full free hand. To say Hitler lost the war for the Germans is a utter insult to the valiant men and women who gave their life for our today. It was not Hitler who made any mistake over the Battle of Britain. He made no mistake in seizing the Rhineland. Your comments are pig ignorant of the utter courage of ordinary men and women.
11.38 AM
First Hitler followed the majority of the advice given to him by his generals. But the times he did over ride the generals did cost him the war. These blunders included attacking Russia which many generals disagreed with. A two front war was suicidal. Many war historians believe that splitting his forces to go for the oilfields in Russia cost him the war. It meant losing the opportunity to take Moscow.
The other major blunder was Hitler ordering the German air force to attack London rather than their airfields. Englands air force was on its last legs, so it saved its air force and a possible land invasion.
The 'courage of ordinary men and women' does not necessarily win battles. I suggest you read up on the victories of Alexander the Great and Hannibal. It's only after studying the tricks and strategies of Hannibal that the Romans were finally able to defeat him. The same thing happened with the Spartans when the took over the Greek colonies. They should have stayed home polishing their shields, as their critics put it.
Several facts we should note. When we quote from the Plain Truth, we are citing what was produced for the general population in the church's recruitment vehicle. The so-called "Good News", on the other hand, was for members only, and took a much stronger stance. There was also the verbal component, what was preached at church. And there was no equivocation to that, it was always hardcore.
When David Pack expunges pages from his website, or LCG censors or destroys their sermon archives, that's not a perversion of HWA's ideals, it's a contemporary repetition. HWA was the guy who emphatically stated that if he had been Richard Nixon, he would have burned the tapes. He's the guy who recalled printed matter, insisting that it be returned to Pasadena. Evidence destruction was always a necessary process to preserve the reputation of the church. It is a useless activity to even argue what may have been quoted, or may have been said, somehow "proving" that the man was always right or pure as the driven snow. We're talking about a false prophet here who said and did anything to make his deceptions appear true. Intellectual dishonesty was written in his dna.
BB
Neo. Are you actually implying that the people of Memphis Tennessee are not actually related to the Pharaos of Egypt? Just like the 200 million present day Arabs living in that nation today. Ohvey, so Paul was not Turkish , who only breached the Byzantine border in the 1400 hundreds. Ojvey. Names.
Nck
10:52
Yep true. There probably is a better longer lasting product than your current I phone. Buy American. Never believe a salesperson. Better believe the convincing power of the group. Did you read the contract you signed with google and facebook
Nobody does.
Nck
Anon 7:27 said:
Is this why they call you False Bread? The only thing that keeps you from being as bad as Flurry or Pack is that you probably don't have any followers, even though you do appear to be inspired by similar demons.
Listen up you little puke...I know next to nothing about Flurry or Pack. But I know about angry people like you....what's wrong, did your mommy burn your TV dinner again in the microwave...??? As usual when I get these type of attacks, the loser never attempts to question my position but only makes ad hominem useless attacks. Tell us all anon, do you not understand that Hitler called the NAZI party the THIRD REICH...??? Do you know what comes after three...??
So I recommend you put down the game controller for a few hours and crawl out of mommy's basement long enough to go to the library and do some real research to educate yourself, unless you are too far gone down the drain into the cesspool of humanity...
As far as "false" bread, I suggest you not blaspheme scripture...that comes directly from John 6:32....but I doubt you have the intellectual firepower to grasp the meaning of that...
Be fruitful and multiply...
BB said:
We can observe and know that someone has done a really effective job of tying President Trump's hands. That's really quite fortunate, because the magnitude of problems faced by humanity on planet Earth requires global management, global solutions. Hopefully, we will see the US return to sanity in the coming election cycles. If not, then Armstrongism's "Israel" could actually end up turning the other world powers against us, by obstructing generally agreed upon solutions, and ushering in "Armageddon"
ahhh...so blathering blob comes out of the closet to identify himself as a globalist...no real shock. Only a complete biblical illiterate could take such a position.
Trump is up to his eyeballs with the Globalists and has surrounded himself with such, including his Ashkenazi Son in law and daughter, not to mention the Goldman Sachs appointees. Trump is nothing more that a puppet, and is a liberal Democrat to say the least. Maybe blathering blob will be satisfied when Trump grabs him by his kitty...?? Just sayin....
Trump is the antichrist, and will fulfill his role as the King of the North...just wait and see when he reduces NoKo to glowing dust...leading to the King of the North (USA/NATO/Israel) trying to take on Russia/China (Kings from the East) at Armageddon, as blob so eloquently points out, making my case.
Anon 1:18 says:
Anonymous Anonymous said...
1.18 PM
From memory, America/NATO/Israel being the beast power, is the Jehovah Witness position. The JW came knocking on my front door and gave me their sales pitch, including their take on prophesy.
November 29, 2017 at 10:12 PM
I know very little of the JWs teaching on prophecy outside of their claim that the UN is the beast power of Rev 13...I am open to instruction.
BB hates the truth. We all know that by now.
Capitalist fruitcakes are far from honest. What did you expect from a bunch of used car salesmen and marketers? They are always twisting and hiding things. It has become the culture. The guy who wrote the book on psychopaths and world's top authority on psychopaths says capitalism is psychopathic. Capitalism breeds deception and predatory behavior. Hitler got the blame for everything and so did the Japanese. Americans never own up to their responsibilities but they love to feign moral superiority by wallowing in false quilt from the media.
Aw, is I a Biblical illiterate? How could you even say that? I studied at Amballador Cossage.
Seriously, the jury is out on Revelation. The canonizers really argued and agonized about that one. Most people who claim to know what it means reach their conclusions by comparing it to the news of the day, and their guesses have constantly failed. The Bible is both Israel-centric, and to a limited extent, Northern Hemisphere-centric. At best, Revelation is one possible scenario, conditionally based on the behavioral patterns of mankind, and how bad conditions become. According to traditional Jewish records, this is year 5,777. Imagine what the world was like approximately 225 years ago. Imagine the fast pace of change right now. If "6,000 years for man, 1,000 years for God" is even a thing, so many fresh realities could emerge over the next 225 years, that we who are living today wouldn't even recognize the landscape.
Frankly, just because Revelation forecasts a Beast-dominant global government, that does not necessarily mean that any and all possible global governments would be immediately dominated by a beast power. Bible language is limited by the concepts underlying the "known world" at the time the books were written, and the nations which existed prior to the last 2,000 years of assimilations. Anyone who claims to know about times and events of the end times is just plain F.O.S. How does it taste?
Donald Trump is a "me first" nationalist. He is pulling us out of all the global efforts which have required decades to build, and, incidentally, have given all nations involved a vested interest in refraining from war. Globalism has prevented the HWAcaca from becoming reality in our times. Not bad for a WCG boy who "knew" he'd never make 30.
BB
True Bread (or should I say 'Todd'), you are pretty harsh for somebody who "tries to explain scriptural doctrine and current events as they relate to our daily lives" and strives "to live by “every word that proceeds from the mouth of God”, and follow the biblical example of Christ and the Apostles."
Responding in kind to ad hominem attacks isn't the best way to establish your credibility.
Just sayin...
Well its a good thing true bread is into role play. Otherwise he might have to offer a solution as to why his "King of the North" is seating his throne on a lower latitude than his "King of the South". (him being an expert in latitude and longitude. (as in DC and Beijing)
What a nutcase discussion about Hitler especially on military strategy without all the political components of as to why certain decisions on the battle field were taken.
If I recall HWA says in the article that "he does not believe Hitler escaped."
The only facts that we have is that HWA wrote an article about the topic in 1952 and that the CIA sent out parties to investigate until 1955 (as was disclosed in october 2017.
In other discussion on "German occupation" of California I have said earlier this year that this sentiment echoed "Southern sentiments" in the early 1900 hundreds when people clearly remembered Mexican Habsburg rulership of Tejas and California. (re Zorro)
This sentiment was exacerbated and exploited with the release of the Zimmerman telegram. Rallying the USA in its first global war being WWI.
HWA as a prodigy of the times of president Wilson and the early rising American empire reaching its Zenith after WWII was the ULTIMATE globalist (mailman to the elites) served a lifetime spinning an international web and goodwill for the American Empire spreading a message of MAD that the USA ultimately would use its nuclear arsenal if called upon.
I cannot for a moment see why HWA would support Trump. He did like Reagan very much though and shared his apocalyptic vision in the end time battle against evil empires. And he spent a lifetime spreading Wilsonian ideals to worldwide elites (of course within the context that the USA and Britain and other "Israelite nations would be the elite of the elite and being the rightfull owners of most of the known resources of this earth, with an edge in weaponry to enforce it and the (5 eyes) to watch over all. But hey it doesn't really matter now since times have changed. (or maybe not and we are still on track)
nck
Anonymous on November 30, 2017 at 2:03 AM said...
“6.43 PM
I remind you that Herb was called more than a Apostle. We were constantly ear bashed from the pulpit with the words 'The Chosen Apostle Mr Herbert W Armstrong.' It was a fancy pants title to exalt 'His Royal Highness,' so in practise it meant more than your humble 'one sent forth.'”
“Didn't Christ condemn such title giving with his 'call no man your master.'
But then, there's no defense against creativity.”
Herbert W. Armstrong taught that the church was led by apostles, not by prophets, and that the apostles were directly chosen by Jesus.
“One of those days JESUS went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. When morning came, he called his disciples to him and CHOSE twelve of them, whom he also designated APOSTLES: Simon (whom he named Peter), his brother Andrew, James, John, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Simon who was called the Zealot, Judas son of James, and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor” (Luke 6:12-13, NIV).
ANGRY, Blasphemous, False, Moldy, White Bread on November 30, 2017 at 7:00 PM said...“Listen up you little puke...I know next to nothing about Flurry or Pack.”
Furry and Prick are not the only things that you know next to nothing about, Angry Bread.
Why are you copying wrong ideas from other false religions about the USA being the Beast?
HWA had taught that the USA and Britain were descended from Joseph's two sons Manasseh and Ephraim, and that Joseph's father Jacob (who was renamed Israel by God) had put his name on them. They are God's people who will be punished for their sinning.
Not true. Only some of your "truths", 9:49. Who made you the arbiter of truth anyway? Here's a universal truth for you: Demagogues hate me because I'm a non-joiner. And, actually, I prefer to have them hate me. I wear it as a badge as a matter of fact.
BB
The Mold Factory, like a number of other posters, has an agenda, 6:17. Unfortunately, on an open blog, not everybody is content to be part of a discussion group. Some come to teach, and to collect subscribers to their line of thinking. If you stand up to them, they become offended, and resort to destructiveness. But, I got news for them. It's an outgrowth of having been part of Armstrongism. I bully bullies.
BB
The responsibility of revisionists is to dig below the facade put out by the superficial lying news media and the gutless politicized historians.
5.10 AM
The title Apostle was a humble title in Christ's day. Herbs church title was 'The Chosen Apostle' spoken in respectful or reverential tones. The effect was to put him on a pedestal, and his name was often quoted as the sole authority for church doctrine or minister decisions. He was like the Roman Catholics Vicar of Christ (in place of Christ). He might as well been called Pope Armstrong.
And it often went beyond that. To this very day, many of his followers put him before God. He has taken the place of Christ in their hearts. This is adultery and blasphemy.
10.08 PM
The world authority on psychopaths is .... you don't even know his name, do you? Having read his books, I know that he wisely makes no reference to politics. Please, no smearing of his good name.
True, I guess we can now rule out THAT scenario.
A) nck, if you refer to the 1952 "Hitler Did Not Die" article, HWA doesnt quite say he doesnt believe it. He openly threads the possibility throughout the article, then bails himself out slightly in the last subsections with "I do not say (the Antichrist) will be Hitler". He then proceeds to conjecture events based on the same theory. He clearly saw no major flaw with the idea beyond that the man himself had not yet reappeared in public (which would be the real proof).
I suppose that makes the old rumors of the early Christian era that Nero wasn't really dead a bit more understandable.
As for the rest of the conjecturing in this thread, its too bad Trump isnt nearing the end of his term, because Id love to screenshot it all and bring it back when it doesnt happen, just to remind you bickerers. ;)
The world authority on psychopaths is .... you don't even know his name, do you?
Yes I do know his name. Robert D. Hare. You are a fool. He makes reference to psychopaths in videos. Did it occur to you he might make videos and not just books? No I guess not.
Nuck Nuck said:
Well its a good thing true bread is into role play. Otherwise he might have to offer a solution as to why his "King of the North" is seating his throne on a lower latitude than his "King of the South". (him being an expert in latitude and longitude. (as in DC and Beijing)
come on...pay closer attention Nuck, you're all confused:
King of the North: USA/NATO/Israel with a little UN thrown in
King of the South: Muslim block, prob the Ayatollah from Iran, per MbS
Kings of the EAST: Russia/China/Iran
The KN is the fourth and FINAL iteration of the Roman Empire, which is clearly NORTH of Jerusalem. His "throne" will be in Jerusalem...I'm guessing you've read Dan 11:40 etc...kinda spells it out.
6:17
Why are you copying wrong ideas from other false religions about the USA being the Beast?
I've never copied anyone's work on this topic...why are you making false accusations..?? It's not just the USA that is the beast power, or are you also not paying attention...??
Rev 13:
Seven heads: G7
Ten horns: Club of Rome divided planet into ten zones
King of the North: USA/NATO/Israel
If you have a tv or computer you can watch it unfold daily....
BB:
Aw, is I a Biblical illiterate? How could you even say that? I studied at Amballador Cossage.
I see you have a sense of humor, blob....sorry you had to suffer at AC.
All snowflake criticism aside, just tell me where I'm wrong. I'm all ears. And no, I don't come here to raise up a following, nor do I want one. I never ask for money. I just put my videos up online for anyone to watch...take it or leave it. I totally reject Armstrongism and anything associated with it.
The Supreme Commander of NATO just said that the Russia/China block is a direct threat to the Western powers. Dr Paul Craig Roberts says the exact same thing in his articles. Are they wrong too...?? The USA/NATO/Israel block will have a showdown with the Russia/China?Iran block soon enough in the ME fighting for the remaining oil....sound familiar...?? Come on, you went to AC...
Anon 10:41-
True Bread (or should I say 'Todd')
Imagine the irony of this post...an anon trying to out me, when I post my name openly without fear....what a coward....priceless...!!!
True Bread
I looked it up, and according to Jehovah's Witnesses dissident sites, the ten toes is Britain-America, though they have flip flopped on this point as American power has receded. They sometimes claim that the ten toes represents all the worlds governments.
Your position is suspiciously my similar to theirs.
They acknowledge that the two legs is Rome, so how can America 'flow' from Rome? Perhaps they feared offending the Nazis when they were in power.
Some people here have psychological problems going back to 1975 which makes them unable to deal with reality. Herbie really did a number on them.
Now the Hitlerian fruitcake got the chance to call you a liar.
OK, so if somebody on here is caught lying, the person who exposed him must be a fruitcake as well as a follower of Hitler? Well, if so, does that mean only Hitler's followers tell the truth, or does it mean that telling the truth is so rare it makes you a fruitcake? Or both?
I can see why Hitler wanted to raise the IQ. A raise in IQ is badly needed.
The world authority on psychopaths is .... you don't even know his name, do you? Having read his books, I know that he wisely makes no reference to politics. Please, no smearing of his good name.
How about not smearing others by pretending they made stuff up when in fact you just don't know what the heck you're talking about.
Hello RSK
I will not argue with a man who spent a lifetime dissecting the meaning of English language texts.
I must have confused the part where HWA says "probably" 25 times and the conclusion where he states that Hitler will not be instrumental in a resurrection of the 4th Reich (except for symbolic esoteric reasons). with the rest of the context. (Where people are admonished to draw their own conclusions, but are strongly led to follow the reasoning in the article, I agree.
The read strongly reminds me of the workings of mediocre playwright Dan Brown and all american super star Tom Hanks.
From my perspective HWA is strongly denying that a Hitler that might be alive will have any political impact after his "resurrection" HOWEVER he is talking about PSYOPPS. About the Psychological impact on the European theatre of "miracles."
This was exactly what the UNDERFUNDED CIA was looking for. Leverage!
www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/cia-investigated-whether-hitler-survived-second-world-war/ar-AAuhbTV?li=BBoPOOl&%3Bocid=mailsignoutmd
In an article on the Painful truth blog the writer also frames HWA as a "crazy person" while the articles written by HWA reveal that he had "attack plan maps of German advance into Ukraine" on HIS DESK in Pasadena at the time Chamberlain was signing the Munich agreement. Now there we have "prophecy", or "advance knowledge" of certain assortment.
Of course 9 years before Pearl Harbor, HWA dug into conspirational and fake documents about planning of Japanese attack on California. Well Well.
Now regarding True Bread:
-I think his theories are interesting.
The only problem I have is that they are theories presented as fact. For instance we could be talking about any topic and find it in the bible. Perhaps the mail boy tossing the newspaper on the lawn could be found in the bible as "the horseman, bringing forth the prophecies toward the lintel". So any geo political configuration can be transplanted to an ancient texts.
Still Washington DC is both on a lower lattitude than both Jerusalem and Beijing.
European Nations hardly regard the "POLITICAL LEADER" of the NATO Alliance a KING since he is always a EUROPEAN civil servant, while the military leadership (WHICH WOULD BE A COUNT OR A DUKE) is American. (of course in Roman law a DUX is equivalent to a King)
And muslim block. Well, you may have heard about Israeli - Saudi (sunni muslims) cooperation in lobbying the USA for a preemptive strike on Iran (shiite muslims). Or the recent attack in the Sinai on a Sufi Mosque by Suni, killing many children. I don't see a block.
80% of True Breads claim are described in the 1844 "Great Controversy" or other books by Ellen G White, claiming the USA to be the Beast Power. So the Jehovah Witness comparison is a younger theory.
nck
Ah,
Interesting news just broke.
Willy Brandt was until 1968 spied upon by the head of German intelligence (Gehlen a former nazi general). If we read a 1952 article we must take into account a "feeble Europe" under close American watch to not fall back into Nazism or move into the Communist fold. Many former party members were head of Nato, the Bundeswehr or other high (intelligence) offices.
Europe was not yet Americanized. Elvis was just meeting Priscilla in central Germany and the threat HWA was talking about was high priority for American intelligence.
Luckily there were the "pirate radio stations". Heavily funded with World Tomorrow cash. These stations influenced the rebellious youth with modern pop culture and american rock 24/7/ Bringing about a major shift into society and for as long as the cold war influence European psychology toward their "Israelite leaders". (and europe got a piece of the pie as the "minor brothers" of the leading "ephraim (007 (James Bond) and Manassah (andy warhol, american rock, replacement of the "rhine economic model" with the anglo saxon "shareholder" model.
nck
I never suffered at AC. I exploited the place, did my own thing and had my fun. The administration finally got tired of that, and rudely and unceremoniously cut my stay short.
Now, growing up in an Armstrongite home was not exactly a blast, but everybody has things about their past they wish had been different. As Al Pacino quipped to Matthew McConaughey in their film, "We're all fu€ked up in some way!"
BB
We've got to remember, HWA was an admirer of Hitler, and spoke gushingly and glowingly of der fuhrer's rage. Only problem is, HWA forced his followers to subvert and suppress their IQs.
BB
My IQ is beyond question. Although it is not a guarantee for smart remarks.
Most of the comments regarding Hitler are quite absurd if you know what I studied. Hint. There are political reasons why some military decisions are taken and vice versa. Hitler wanted to join with the British empire. Many elite Germans had high regard for the British Empire. No plots to kill Hitler or a coup were possible after the entire nation rallied after him defeating there centuries old arch enemy in just 7 days. True Rommels gespenster 7th mechanised division played part in that speedy defeat of the French. Until that time Canaris was ready for a (legal) coup in conjunction with the British political leaders.
Nck
Grant Turgeon's last 2 sentences of his "...glowing report about the impressive ability of Gerald Flurry to be able to deliver 7 hours of biblical information and new revelations to the huddled masses during the 2017 Feast of Tabernacles..." said the following:
"...God will dwell with humanity after the Millennium, when sin will be non-existent. That, Mr. Flurry said, will be just the beginning..."
What beginning? What does Flurry mean about sin being non-existent after the Millennium? How soon after that Millennium? Flurry has no proof for any Ezekiel temple being built during the Millennium. Even Ezekiel, like Isaiah, won't be alive during that time. Isaiah tells us so:
"Thy dead men shall live, TOGETHER WITH MY DEAD BODY shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead."Isaiah 26:19
That event is scheduled for AFTER the MMMillennium (Mickey Mouse Millennium).
Here is proof that sin will exist AFTER the MMMillennium:
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Yes, deception worldwide will once more occur for a season, which some speculate is 3 1/2 years.
:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Remember, Satan didn't "bug," actually MURDER, Jesus Christ for a season (Luke 4:13)? Okay, so leave it as a season, which is beyond the MMMillennium.
What is Satan "good" at?
2 Tim 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are TAKEN CAPTIVE by him AT HIS WILL.
What else?
"He that committeth sin is of the devil..." I John 3:8
There is always lots of bad news when Satan is allowed to "do his thing," but that vile, evil, thing will yet be described sometime AFTER that MMM and little/short season/time.
Flurry is no prophet!!!!!!!!
Time will tell.
John
10.01 PM
Well, since you have pressed the issue, I have mentioned his name and books and the odd book content previously on this blog. But now why should I throw my pearls before a trailer park redneck.
It's finally happened. People who are just as crazy as Weinland, Pack, Flurry, Cox, and the rest of the Armstrong leaders have become dominant posters here. It means we're no longer processing Armstrongism like we used to. Instead, we've sunken to discussing nutcase theories people picked up when they supposedly left.
11:14
In all blunt honesty, no offence. Do you really believe you are or have processed Arnstrongism? Really? From your 5 sentences (discussion?) you are proving yourself a victim.
It is my sincere hooe my blunt political incorrectness might serve you to seek help, instead of seeking it amongst the frustrated who have shown themselves unable to let go.
Nck
Personally I am coming to terms with the idea that the rapture happened and only David Bowie and Prince made the cut.
Nck
10.05 AM
I had a similar experience when I contacted the PCG in the 1990s. It's a song and dance routine that was obviously taught to the Herb ministers, since it's so common.
They use the frog in the hot water metaphor. So in the first meeting, the ministers are slightly difficult. In the second and subsequent meeting they become more abusive and make more unjust demands, such as lording it over the prospective members faith.
The purpose is to shift personal boundaries to the effect that they become a minister slave. The overall gaol is to create a alternate reality, a paradise for criminals. Mention of God and the bible is just window dressing.
You see, it's unfair to ask people to repent, so people must resign themselves to be eaten alive by the church crazies. There's a lot a class hatred (Cain Vs Abel), class envy, murder and sadism in all this as well.
I speak from personal experience.
We've got to remember, HWA was an admirer of Hitler, and spoke gushingly and glowingly of der fuhrer's rage.
Oh really? Where and when did he do that? From everything I heard he was as anti-Hitler at they get. And anyone who calls you on your fabrications is "whitewashing HWA". I guess we should all lie about HWA more and more so we don't whitewash him. Heck, not only did he admire Hitler, he worshiped him. Ten times a day, 20 on the Sabbath.
But if you want to mention admirer's of Hitler, well, you can include JFK and Henry Ford.
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