Prophetic Update
As stated in the announcement posted Saturday night, if time passed, God would reveal more. This was the case—and in the most wonderful way possible! While it may seem impossible on its face, everything still holds!
“Math and science” made clear Sebat 24 was the only date that truly worked to start the 1,335 and integrated with all the other dates in prophecy.
Everything lining up for the Sabbath is in fact even more significant than we understood!
Recall that in Dan 12:12, the 1,335 is explained as something we “wait” and “come to,” at which time brethren are “blessed.” With the date passing, God has revealed that being “blessed” meant something better than any of us could have imagined.
God has made clear that those of us who waited to the 1,335 are now in a “blessed”—settled—condition! Many verses support this. Here are just three:
Rev. 1:3 says we are blessed when the time is still “at hand”—before Christ arrives. How would this be possible without this amplified understanding of the 1,335?
Rev. 22:7 says much the same—that we are blessed before Christ comes “quickly.”
This explains how the little flock in Luke 12:32 are scheduled to receive the Kingdom!
This understanding also makes clear we are right on track regarding timing. The wait to the 1,335 is over. This means we have kept the patience in Heb. 10:36—we have “done the will of God”—and now only have a “mikron” to go (vs. 37). We don’t know exactly how long this is, but it must be short!
As Mr. Pack said in his last message, there is no time or need for another message. Although “blessed,” let us all continue watching together—remaining spiritually strong right up to the very end. Stay alert!
25 comments:
Well I think we need a new definition of the word quickly if “that we are blessed before Christ comes “quickly.””
The good news out of all of this is that Dave claims he has no more to say. But, he is such a narcissist that he can't keep his mouth shut and will have to soon start making huge excuses, particularly if it carries over to after Passover. The excuses will be flying fast and furious. The sad part is that his followers will sit there like idiots and lap this all up.
"“Math and science” made clear Sebat 24 was the only date that truly worked to start the 1,335 and integrated with all the other dates in prophecy."
Dave! Look at me! Math and science do not make your religion or prophecy "clear". Math and science are not on your side. You're a theological illusionist in the black arts of pulling BS fairy tales out of your ass. And that's all you are. You're not even a Christian Church. You're the leader of the Dave Pack Cult of Gyrating Fools. Was that too harsh?
Your days of "God has more to reveal to me" and "We didn't see it but now we do" are quickly drawing to a close. Go see a psychiatrist and get some help before you take the last of your RCG tribe down the trail of tears and final humiliation. Actually, it is already too late because you are never wrong and would choke to death on the words, "I was mistaken." That will be your final undoing and that of your dwindling members.
Do these letters even need to be written from scratch anymore? Give them boys at HQ a break. By now they've become so repetitive, just get Church Administration to send one of ten templates. Leave some blanks in the template and add in “math and science” this time, “the alignment of Jupiter with Uranus” next time, and maybe two weeks from now try, my personal favorite, “an unusual smirk and a nod from one of the campus horses assures us that everything is... You guessed it, brethren, all together now, ‘RIGHT. ON. TRACK!’”
When all else fails ........ give the people a blessing (?).
So all the RCG widows have cleaned out their bank accounts to give Dave the last mite that he demanded, and in return Dave gives them Christ ....... no I am sorry, he gives them a "mikron".
A freak-en beep-en mikron! Come on Dave, at least you could have sprinkled some holy water and disseminated the sweet odors of incense upon the patiently waiting congregation who have worn out at least three calculators adding and subtracting all of your inspired math.
A "mikron" - come on man!
COG men tend to overcompensate for their “mikron” members
It seems like there are really no barriers to entering into the prophecy marketplace. Supply and demand rule. So I am going to venture into the arena. I fearlessly predict:
"When Christ returns, the apocalyptic Millerites will be among the last people to recognize it."
This is because they will be looking in the direction where all their arcane numerology points. And that will be the wrong direction. And, of course, they will initially reject Jesus because he doesn't look like a Western European. Then there will be that huge problem of Christ recognizing people in other churches as his own people. It will be confusing and it will take them a long time to get it sorted out. There will be so much to walk back. So many leaders to renounce. So much misunderstanding. So much vitriol. But some of them will finally ride the rear platform of the caboose into the Kingdom.
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Fun with Prophecy
Sometime after HWA’s death Ron Kelly gave a sermon entitled “Fun with Prophecy”. This ‘scribble’ is also in a somewhat similar vein, but not with the Kelly intent of discrediting.
Isa 41:22 Let them bring them forth, and show us what shall happen: let them show the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.
Ron Dart in prophecy presentations liked referring to the above Scripture. The former and latter may also be described as type and antitype.
“The two eastern kingdoms are marked by nobler metals; the two western, by baser; individualization and division appear in the latter, and it is they which produce the two Antichrists” (A. R. Fausset, Daniel, JFB, Vol.2, pt.2, pp.420).
When juxtaposing the little horn of Daniel 7 with the little horn of Daniel 8 and Daniel 11:21-35 with Daniel 11:36-45 God reveals that Antiochus Epiphanes is the type and the beast is the antitype.
The little horn of Daniel 8 is the OT Antichrist and the little horn of Daniel 7 will be the NT Antichrist.
2 Macc 5:5 When a false rumor arose that Antiochus was dead...
Rev 13:14b... the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live [ezesen].
Rev 2:8b ... the First and the Last, who became dead, and lived [ezesen]
The type in ‘horizontal’ typology is inferior to the antitype. With Antiochus there was only a rumour of his death but with the Antichrist it will be literally. Just as Christ’s resurrection was literal so will the Antichrist’s resurrection.
The OT tribulation under Antiochus followed after the rumour of his death, so the NT tribulation follows after the death and resurrection of the Antichrist.
Michael Brown’s comment below is the starting point to get a speculative feel of a latter end to a former thing. Michael Brown is “widely considered the world’s foremost Messianic Jewish apologist”.
Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Mt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
“... the messianic nature of some of the promises (cf. 30:8-10, 17-22), the references to Israel and Judah together in vv.3-4, and the editorial of the texts (weaving oracles regarding Israel into a primarily Judean context, with Jacob alone mentioned in v.7) all suggest an immediate application of these verses in the destruction of Jerusalem and its consequent rebuilding, with a subsequent application and ultimate fulfillment in the end-time upheaval that will overtake much of the world before the Lord’s return - an upheaval that will surround Israel and from which Israel will ultimately be saved. They also provide a template in which Israel’s sufferings, at select times in history can be read.
“This means that it would certainly be incorrect to see Jeremiah 30:6-7 as “a prophecy of the Holocaust,” it is valid on some level to apply these verses to that terrible period in Israel’s history, marked by the physical reestablishment of the State of Israel in 1948, having been saved out of the decimation of the Holocaust...” (Michael L. Brown, Jeremiah, EBC, Rev. Vol.7, p.371).
Part of the template/type for this ‘scribble’ is the holocaust followed by a couple of years to the establishment of the state of Israel.
Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
In the aftermath of the Great Tribulation there will be what is often called the “Second Exodus,” which recall to mind Leon Uris’ book entitled “Exodus” - “The story unfolds with the protagonist, Ari Ben Canaan, hatching a plot to transport Jewish refugees from a British detention camp in Cyprus to Palestine [on the SS Exodus]” (Wikipedia).
As outlined below the template for viewing the future involves close to a 19 year time cycle - 1929 to 1948.
Da 9:26b and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
2 Maccabees 5:23b-26 Disposed to hate the Jews, he sent the Mysarch Apollonius with an army of twenty-two thousand, under orders to butcher all men who were of age and to sell the women as slaves. On his arrival at Jerusalem, Apollonius pretended to have peaceful intentions. He waited until the sacred Sabbath day. Sure that the Jews were resting, he ordered his troops to fall into armed formation and had them stab all who had gone out to see the spectacle. Then, dashing into the city with his soldiers, he laid a considerable multitude low.
In regard to 9:26, Mysarch Apponius with his army under Antiochus provides the type for the people of the Antichrist to destroy Jerusalem in the future. So while Christ and the Antichrist is the overriding type-antitype relationship of Daniel 9:24-27, Antiochus provides a type for the NT tribulation.
Da 8:25c and by peace shall destroy many
Da 9:27a And he [the Beast, aka Antichrist] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
Da 9:27b and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation...
While ‘peace’ will be part of the Covenant between the Antichrist and the Jews it will involve sacrifices and a rebuilding of a temple. The Antichrist builds a temple in the first half of his prophetic week; Christ in his second half.
Zec 14:5 yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:
An earthquake that levels the Islamic building on the temple mount would facilitate the building of the Temple.
With the above in mind a speculative time-line from 1929 to 1948 is produced as a guide to view the future. The time-line is informed by “history doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes” and “history repeats until it doesn’t”. The intent of the time-line is to suggest that Christ will not be returning anytime some (2 Peter 3:3-4, notwithstanding).
The dates below are selective to provide a type-antitype speculative scenario:
September 3, 1929 peak in Dow Jones Industrial Average
Hoover Contraction of the Great Depression - August 1929 to March 1933
January 30, 1933 - Hitler named Chancellor of Germany
February 1933 - Hitler's instruction 'to create an army of the greatest possible strength'
Roosevelt Expansion - March 1933 to May 1937
January 7, 1934 - First independent broadcast of HWA’s radio ministry
February 1934 - First issue of The Plain Truth - lead article “Is a World Dictator About to Appear”
Roosevelt Contraction - May 1937 to June 1937
September 30, 1938 - Munich/Peace Agreement signed, but dated September 29.
February 1939 - Plain Truth lead article “When and How the World War will Start”.
March 15, 1939 - Hitler breaks Munich Agreement by seizing the rest of Czechoslovakia
December 11, 1941 - USA declares war on Nazi Germany
September 2, 1945 - Formal surrender of Japan ending WW2
May 14, 1948 - David Ben-Gurion proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel
Some numbers from the above:
Eighteen years and 8 months from the peak in the stockmarket to establishment of the State of Israel.
Twelve years and three months from peak of stockmarket to US entry into World War 2.
Nine years and approximately one month from the peak in the stockmarket to the Munich/Peace Agreement - referred to below as the Munich Covenant (cp. Dan 9:27b).
Six years and eleven months from the Munich Covenant to the end of WW2.
Three years and 2 months from the Munich Covenant to American entry into WW2.
Three years and nine months from the entry of American in to WW2 to the end of WW2.
Two years and 8 months from the end of WW2 to the establishment of the state of Israel.
Speculation, not necessarily in order:
When the stimulus from COVID 19 - compare the stimulus of 1927 - runs its course a stockmarket crash comparable to 1929 will begin ushering in a Great Contraction; in the 1929-48 type this ran for three years and five months.
The coming contraction should be followed by an expansion, at least in the European economy which will be favourable to creating a military of “the greatest possible strength”.
Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
A new Sabbatarian ‘work’ will appear to fulfill 24:14 and warn about the coming dictator and the Tribulation. Sunday-keeping ‘works’ will also play a part in the warning of the coming Antichrist and the time of trouble.
Da 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Eventually the Antichrist will appear and become a king of kings in Europe. He will enter a covenant with the Jews. In the 1929-48 type, from the stockmarket peak to the Munich covenant it was nine years and approximately one month.
Whereas Hitler broke the Munich covenant 6 and half months after the signing, the Antichrist will break the covenant after three and a half years and WW3 will being. From the Munich covenant to the US entry into WW2 if was three years and 2 months.
Three and half years after the start of WW3 it will end; in the 1929-48 type this was around three years and six months for the US if V-E Day is used. The length of the tribulation is similar to the length of the US in WW2 - (not counting lend-lease).
The time from the Munich Covenant to the end of WW2 was six years and eleven months. The length of time from the Antichrist/Jewish Covenant (Dan 9:27a) till the end of WW3 will be seven years, which is similar to the length between the Munich Covenant and the end of WW2.
Eze 43:4 And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east.
Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
In the 1929-48 type it was around two years and 8 months from the end of WW2 to the establishment of the state of Israel. The establishment of the twelve tribes in Israel with the Shekinah dwelling in their midst is used as the antitype. This will be realised three years and six months after the return of Christ and the end of WW3 - at the end of the second half of Christ prophetic week
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
"When Dean Acheson, Harry Truman's post-war secretary of state, wrote his autobiography, he chose a grandiloquent title to describe his dozen years in government. He had been "Present at the Creation", he said, by which he meant the building by America of a new world, out of the wartime rubble of the old - or, at any rate, of half a new world, the free half, while an ally turned enemy, the Soviet Union, built the other half..." (Bill Emmott, Present at the creation, economist.com, June 27, 2002).
Ps 72:8 He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.
2Ch 9:8a Blessed be the LORD thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne, to be king for the LORD thy God...
Those who live on through the Tribulation and are not a part of the first resurrection will be “Present at the Creation” of a new world by the twelve tribes ruled by God’s human world-ruling viceregents - the Davidic kings. No half worlds this time.
One head too early?
Was HWA one head too early, if indeed the Rome-Berlin axis was the ‘sixth’ head.
(The RCC is destroyed at the beginning of the Tribulation, as part of the establishment of a worship-system - no competition - to worship “the Beast” person).
Where and How the World War will Start
The Plain Truth, February 1939, (Vol IV No 02):
“But it is in the 17th chapter of Revelation, coupled with the 13th chapter, and the 7th and 2nd chapters of the Book of Daniel, that we find this "BEAST" identified. The symbol of "BEAST" is plainly explained to represent a KINGDOM, or the KING who rules it. And this particular BEAST is just as clearly identified as THE ROMAN EMPIRE once more to be revived by the process of ten dictators in Europe giving all the power of their governments, and of their armies, to the ruler at ROME! It appears certain, from these prophecies, that BENITO MUSSOLINI is the demon-inspired man of these prophecies---the "BEAST" of Rev. 19:19-20 who shall come to so horrible an end by the supernatural power of God! He then, is the one who shall capture half the city of Jerusalem!...
“And then, (verse 45), Mussolini shall remove his headquarters to JERUSALEM----building there a great palace. Since the pope will be there with him (Rev. 19:19-20) the new pope now about to be elected no doubt will decide to move the headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church to Jerusalem! What a momentous piece of news that will be! There, both men come to their END!...
“And now what about Hitler? What does the future hold for him? How will he ever knuckle under to Mussolini?
“Hitler has no dreams of restoring the Roman Empire. Yet Hitler, having quite different ambitions and purposes, actually is lining up the nations which eventually must give their power and strength to the Roman ruler. We cannot imagine Hitler, ruler over a German nation twice as great in population as Italy, turning all his vast power over to Mussolini, and himself playing "second fiddle" to Mussolini. In spite of the "Rome-Berlin axis, and public gestures of friendship, there is great jealousy and rivalry between Hitler and Mussolini. Each is using this ''axis'' alliance as a means of serving his OWN ends.
“Yet Bible prophecies show the ten nations, which surely MUST include most if not ALL of the nations now coming under Hitler' s influence, finally giving their armed power over to the Roman leader!
“How is this possible? We cannot know. But possibly---just our personal hazzard---possibly Hitler will die or be killed, within the next eighteen months. That would leave Goering and Goebbels in control of Germany. Neither is strong enough to hold what Hitler has gained. They will then turn to the natural leader, the one strong personality of the Rome-Berlin axis---Mussolini. And then all the other dictators will fall quickly into line, and the ROMAN EMPIRE will suddenly become a world-terrifying reality!...
“Russia will gain control in the Orient. This news will trouble Mussolini. The Communist Group will than send their mighty hordes, including the yellow races, into Palestine in an effort to conquer BOTH the Fascists and ths Democracies.
“Finally ALL NATIONS, the United States included, will be drawn into frightful, unthinkable, horrible world war, on the battle-fields of Palestine!
“The War, at the moment, in Prophecy
The Plain Truth, May-June, 1941, p.6:
“War events thunder on, rapidly approaching the prophesied climax!
“Since the last issue of the PLAIN TRUTH - November-December - many things have occurred, every one in accordance with prophecy!
“HITLER now emerges as the, “BEAST” of Revelation! For years we have told our listeners and our readers that the “BEAST” who revives the Empire of ancient Rome, and fights Christ at ARMAGEDDON would [be] Mussolini - or his successor.
“But in the past few months Hitler has taken over Mussolini and now all Italy are now in Hitler’s power. Germans are placed in every branch of the Italian government, and no step may be taken today without their approval. Hitler‘s “NEW WORLD ORDER,’’ described elsewhere in this number, will go far enough to establish the seventh head of this “BEAST” - by a union of the ten “horns,” (junior-partner dictatorships) -which will restore the Roman Empire to the complete world-domination of the old.”
“Is this Armageddon
The Plain Truth, March-April, 1943, p.5:
“The Axis armies meantime shall have poured into Palestine. Hitler and the False Prophet shall set up the tabernacle and the palace there (Dan. 11 :41,45) - move their headquarters there. During their reign the true Word of God will not be permitted to be preached (Amos 8:11). Only God‘s “two witnesses” inspired with supernatural powers shall be permitted to warn the world of what is then coming. And after three and a half years they shall be killed and their bodies lie unburied three and a half days in the streets of Jerusalem. (Rev. 11:3-10)
“Hitler’s New Europe
“During this period, Hitler will move to stabilize his crumbling “crazy-quilt” empire - an empire described in Dan. 2:41-43 -with the strength of the world’s most powerful army, but the weakness and brittleness of clay - an empire composed of conquered, subjugated, oppressed peoples. Only one man can help Hitler solidify his crumbling “new order” and that man is the great “False Prophet,” to whom most of Europe owes ecclesiastical allegiance. Those men will join in a deal - with all the religion under control of the False Prophet.
“Then, under this stimulus, TEN DICTATORS in Europe will give their power and armed strength over to Hitler.
“This is all pictured in Revelation 17.
“This great ecclesiastical system is pictured as a fallen woman astride the “beast.” This woman is called “BABYLON.” (Verse 5). She is “drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus,” (verse 6). She CAUSES them to be killed, by pronouncing sentence (Rev. 13:15). The Gestapo or other policing agency of Hitler’s order will do the actual killing.
“This “beast” is the Roman Empire. All students of prophecy recognize that. Even the Roman Catholic Douay version admits this in a footnote. This empire was, and is not (verse 6) but shall be brought back to being once again. It shall be accomplished by a union of these ten dictators, or “junior partners” as Hitler calls them (verse 12-13).
“What IS Armageddon?
“And now notice!
“ “These” - these newly crowned kings forming Hitler’s revived Roman Empire - shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings.”
Correction to second post; trying to keep with allowable characters, the scripture and comment below first paragraph was mistakenly left out:
As outlined below the template for viewing the future involves close to a 19 year time cycle - 1929 to 1948.
Da 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be...
Da 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
To this template is added the Seventy Weeks Type-Antitype Telescopic Prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 which involves Christ and the Antichrist. The prince is both Christ and the Antichrist.
Or as my family members inside the RCG said “Oh well, we kinda knew that it wasn’t going to happen anyway. Mr. Pack made mistakes about that before. But we’re going to stay, because if we leave the true church now we will end up in the lake of fire!”
And that is the problem with this cult in a nutshell: they know Dave is lying. They know they are being fooled. Yet they are too afraid to get out! They believe the lake-of-Fire lie, although it is coming from the same lying mouth as all the lies about Christ returning.
How gullible can people get? How does the old saying go? ‘Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me’.
I would like to add the following to that; Fool me ten or twenty times and I’m just plain stupid..
What is most dangerous and disturbing here in all of this is that David Pack is teaching his entire Church that they are now in a "settled" condition in salvation
He introduced this teaching a while back and it is truly a disservice to the members. Basically, once the Church reaches the "1335" they receive the kingdom, they are settled.
But what happens if Christ does not come for another 10 years. Well since you've already conditioned the entire church to believe they are settled in their salvation. There will be no need for them to push to continue to grow in character, they will fall asleep. Their lamps will go out because David Pack encouraged them to believe that after This past Sebat, they are settled and blessed.
This is sickening.
So does settled and blessed include the recent divorce between me and my member now ex husband? After 25+ years and it all came down to this? Is he now better without me? Maybe I'm the one who is blessed and settled after dealing with this mess for 5 years.
If there was ever a picture of the anti-christ, David C. Pack is it.
He fits the role perfectly.
It's as if Dave has his members in a hypnotic spell.
I am not sure why Dave Pack is so obsessed with the 1335 days or where he counts them from. Anyone who has ever kept the Holy Days and has some mathematical ability should see that there are only two Holy Days which can be separated by 1335 Days, namely Trumpets and Pentecost. So if you count 1335 days from Trumpets this year 2021 you arrive at Pentecost 2025. This only happens if Trumpets falls on a Tuesday as it does this year, assuming the COG's are keeping the right calendar.
I feel for you ... Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
The sad thing is, that to them you’re just collateral damage. Your ex husband was told that his number one priority is ‘the true church’ (aka Dave’s wallet).
In a way you’re better of. I looked at it like this at one point; if I am not my husbands #1 priority, would I want to stay with him? And the answer is ‘No’.
Healing takes time. Have a look at the website Exit and Support Network. You can find a lot of us there!
This is a new and dangerous level. Dave is now claiming fulfilled prophecy.
Ministers weakening or mentally crippling members minds to increase their power level has been the standard operating procedure in the ACOGs from the very beginning. For example, HWAs "beware of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" mantra, even though this is commanded in the parable of the talents. Dave is just taking it to a higher level.
Btw, Herb won't be in the kingdom.
I am really worried about friends and family still there at this point. Claiming the 1335 has occurred is a pretty big deal in CoG land. People are going to get really excited about having secured their salvation and either go manic with excitement or rage with disgust (it could be towards the church, themselves, or "the world").
What happens when nothing happens at the 1290 or 1260 (or at 0)? Depression or suicidal thoughts might be common if they suddenly realize it was all fake. What happens to family when they try to help? Will those earlier prophecies about murdering the heathen kick in?
It's legit getting scary there.
I never upon entering RCG felt blessed but ultimately confused. As someone who entered into a supposed body, I was made to feel my past sins before RCG were never forgiven and marriage was never an option. The intrusion of my past and the judgement put on me as one who didn't know how to pick a good mate was ironic as I would only date within the church. How very sad for many members banned from dating, because of David Pack and his personal beliefs. That was only one small reason for leaving as I had endured for years. Im sad for the brothers and sisters who continue to stay and listen to the false teachings of these leaders who think they have all the truths when Truth be told they sold out the minute they signed on the dotted line of a 501c3 contract. The temple is our body in which the very gift of the Holy Spirit resides and not in a building or a leader who claims to be the guide of a group... In the end...all "churches will go back to the mother harlot" because the leaders didn't teach the sheep.
There are books and computer programs on timing the markets. The topic is far more complex than denominations portray it to be. And at the end of the day, there are many "right" dates since there are many different "geometric patterns" that conform to the historic data.
It's never as simple as preachers claim, and if they are ever prove right, it's because they guessed correctly all manner of underlying assumptions.
Timing should be taken with a grain of salt.
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