Prophet Thiel Is Not Happy With Us

Prophet Thiel included the above picture on his news story as PROOF that Guttenberg is a military man 

who will come to overthrow the United States.  

Perhaps what the Prophet has failed to see here is that maybe he was doing a dry run 

on the Charlotte offices?  See the bombs ready!

All of the blogs that have been picking on Prophet Bob's uber-fascination with Karl Guttenberg has finally gotten under his skin.  He writes today:

Yet, certain anti-Church of God critics seem to be besides themselves in their often inane criticism of my coverage of his possible end time role.  There were a few comments from critics that I ran across yesterday, and instead of dealing with much of the nonsense, I thought that perhaps I would quote most of one of the comments that was posted about me in response to an article someone posted partially titled The Prophet Thiel and Beast Guttenberg… at the “Banned by HWA” site:

I guess Bob just didn’t notice that Herr Guttenberg plagiarized…his doctoral thesis, it was an enormous scandal, his degree was revoked, and he resigned from the government in shame and fled the country?
Why wouldn’t one think that his political career is over?

Ya know Bob, if you would stop writing inane speculation on your blog we would not be making fun of you.  Alas, you and many other Armstrongites cannot seem to control yourselves and write all kinds of silliness.

He continues:

Part of the problem with many of my scoffing critics is that they either do not know certain scripture or do not accept the writings of the Bible as inspired.  Since I do accept scripture, this might be a good time to quote a scripture (with three different translations) that some of my critics seem to have overlooked related to the final King of the North:

21 His place will be taken by a reject, a man spurned and passed over for advancement. He’ll surprise everyone, seemingly coming out of nowhere, and will seize the kingdom. (Daniel 11:21, THE MESSAGE)
21 And in his place shall arise a vile person, to whom they will not give the honor of royalty; but he shall come in peaceably, and seize the kingdom by intrigue. (Daniel 11:21, New King James Version)
²¹ ‘In his place will rise a wretch: royal honours will not be given to him, but rather he will insinuate himself into them at his pleasure and will gain possession of the kingdom by intrigue. (Daniel 11:21, New Jerusalem Bible)

 Prophet Bob needs to understand that there are many readers of this blog (over 650 hits a day now) do consider the Bible to be inspired but who cannot and will not interpret it through the lenses of Armstrongism.  Yes, others no longer hold it to be inspired or infallible, but that is not the point.  The point that all the blogs are bringing out is how you interpret what is written in the Bible to make it fit your narrow view of the world.  You can take the Bible and any other great book and relate it to the world around you, yet it doesn't make it true.

Taking events that happened thousands of years ago and labeling them enforce today shows how little biblical understanding Prophet Bob has today.

The Prophet continues with this speculative, unsubstantiated comment:

Since his resignation in early 2011, former German Defense Minister Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg keeps making political and military contacts in the USA and elsewhere that he may be able to use later.  His plan appearance later this week in Georgia (see Karl Guttenberg to Speak in Georgia) is further proof of that.

Prophet Bob yet again claims Guttenberg is here doing reconnaissance as he makes military contacts for the invasion of the Untied States by Germany.  Just because he is speaking in Georgia does not make him a potential world invader or the Beast.  How stupid can some people get?

It looks like I got further under his skin by calling him a "prophet".  He makes this comment in relation to an earlier posting that I did where I listed all of the prophecies about Guttenberg that Thiel claims to have come to pass:

Thus far, several of my speculative predictions about Baron Guttenberg have come to pass (details of several of them are in the article COGwriter Speculations on Karl zu Guttenberg Shown Correct).  Interestingly, the anti-COGwriter critics and scoffers pretty much overlook the accuracy of my speculations (although some do sarcastically refer to me as “Prophet Thiel”).

For those of you that missed Prophet Thiel's amazing list of predictions that have come true, here it is again:

Here are summaries of 23 things from the Bible that Thiel says describes Guttenberg:

Here are 23 biblical-related items to consider:

1. Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg is a leader from middle Europe.  His blood line crosses into various countries in Europe (at least Germany, France, Austria, Liechtenstein, and Croatia). So did the Roman empire. (cf. Daniel 7:24; 9:26-27; Isaiah 10:5-11).
2. He has a military background as he was “Minister of Defence” for Germany..  The Beast of Revelation 13:1-4 is shown to be a military political leader.
3. He is considered to have some economic expertise. (cf. Daniel 8:25; 11:24; Revelation 13:16-17; 18:3)
4. He is an extremely popular politician (he was the most popular in Germany in early and late 2010). (Revelation 13:4,8)
5. He is considered an expert on foreign policy. (cf. Daniel 11:27)
6. He is some type of Catholic. (cf. Revelation 17:7-11)
7. Because he is married to a Lutheran (and she apparently did not convert prior to marriage), he apparently is not super strict about being Catholic (some other news reports I have seen also seem to confirm this in other ways as well). (cf. Revelation 13:4,8; Daniel 11:36-38)
8. His wife also has political connections, and both of them have made various public  “morality statements.”  Hence suggesting that the Guttenbergs represent the moral high ground in Germany. (cf. Revelation 13:4,8)
9. He seems to have ecumenical tendencies, and that is what the “Great Monarch” of Catholic prophecies and the final Beast of Revelation would likely have. (cf. Revelation 13:4,8; Daniel 11:36-38)
10. He may be considered to be entitled to use the “King of Jerusalem” title that Otto von Habsburg held. (cf. Daniel 11:31)
11. Charlemagne was a Frank-German leader and “Holy Roman Emperor.”  The Baron is a descendant of the Habsburg line of rulers (the Emperors of the Holy Roman Empire were from the Habsburg line; cf. Revelation 17:9-11). Certain Catholic prophecies indicate that the “Great Monarch” will be a descendant of Charlemagne. Bible prophecies seem to point to the resurrection of an empire that has revived in the past (Revelation 13:1-3; 17:9-11)
12. He has the right to select the priest for his parish.  Hence, the idea that political leaders should be involved with religion is something he was raised up believing. A leader combining church and state is prophesied in Daniel 11:37-38 and Revelation 13.
13. The understanding that his title means “Baron of the Holy Roman Empire” is interesting as the Book of Revelation describes a power that would resemble a re-emergence of “the Holy Roman Empire” and Catholic prophecy specifically tells of a time when “The Great King will be crowned Holy Roman Emperor by the reigning Pope” (Birch DA. Trial, Tribulation & Triumph: Before During and After Antichrist. Queenship Publishing Company, Goleta (CA), 1996,, p. 555). Baron is a title of nobility, but not one of royalty. (Daniel 11:21)
14. The fact that he has been the most popular political leader in Germany suggests that he has a certain charisma that would be consistent with that which is expected for the final Beast leader (cf. Daniel 7:20,11:21-24,31; Revelation 13:3-5).
15. He is believed to carefully cultivate his public image, which seems consistent with the cunning (Daniel 8:25) and other practices of the final Beast leader (Daniel 11:36-38).
16. Because a Catholic monarchist relative (Karl Ludwig Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg) of his was involved in a plot against Hitler in 1944 (and killed for it in April 1945), he may be perceived as less of a threat than others with a German background. (cf. Daniel 8:23-25; 11:24)
17. He is considered to be a smooth talking attractive leader. (cf. Daniel 8:25; 11:21)
18. Some of his entertainment actions suggest that beneath his exterior he may have certain “vile” tendencies (cf. Daniel 11:21). His plagiarism scandal seems consistent with this as well.
19. He has a problem with arrogance and vanity (Daniel 11:36-37).
20. He is in a type of self-imposed exile and it is possible that the King of the North is supposed to have a period of exile. (cf. Daniel 8:23-25; 11:21-23)
21. He has risen to powerful positions quite quickly.  And may do that again. (Daniel 8:23-24)
22. He has been ridiculed and rejected by many. (Daniel 11:21)
23. He has a certain expertise when it comes to computers and surveillance. (cf. Revelation 13:15-18).

 Prophet Bob close with this final proof for the reason he is infatuated with Baron Guttenberg.  We are in the end times and are commanded to "watch."  Armstrongism has been at the end times for well over 70 years now.  Every single speculation, prediction and utterances has been an abysmal failure.  You would think Prophet Bob would have learned to keep his mouth shut by now.  Especially since Rod Meredith has countless failed prophecies as his legacy.

Damn! No More Paragliding At The Feast!

Apostle Malm has laid down the law for Feast observances in his cult.  Gone are the days of setting up Feast sites in vacation hot spots where you can go enjoy yourself if the preaching gets too boring.  Now you have this to look forward to:

Feast sites are NOT to be established in vacation hot spots.  They should be in poorer areas with few outside attractions.  We are commanded to spend our tithe on food and drink and sharing with others not on expensive vacations.


The Spring and Fall Festivals are to be observed for the full seven plus one  days; with the intermediate non Sabbath days as appointed times or partial High Days upon which work pertaining to observing the Feasts may be done.  Such work would include cooking and cleaning which are NOT to be done on Sabbaths or High Days.


The entire two festivals are to be filled with spiritual feasting with physical feasting, song, music and dancing for joy in the Lord.  They are NOT to be spent in paragliding, car racing, or other activities which take away from what God commanded and intended.


We are to observe the festivals as God commanded and not by doing our own thing.

Don't you just hate it when you can't go paragliding when you know Richard Ames or David Hulme is going to be speaking! Now you have to attend Feast sites in poor areas like Detroit or South Central Los Angeles.  The only thing you get to do is go out and eat. Eat and drink, eat and drink, eat and drink. It will soon turn into eight days of drinking when people are forced to be around each other constantly.

If Apostle Malm is really a man of his word then we will see where his first Feast site is located this year. I dare him to do it in the poor areas of Detroit.  Will they trek off to Haiti for their Feast?  Will they go to poor areas and feast with the natives who have nothing.  Will they be welcomed to the table to sup with them?  Or, will they be Malm's servants as his cult members sit down to huge elaborate meals just for the elect?

Van Robison on: "Making Sense of Human Life"

Making Sense of Human Life

The Worldwide Church of God experience for many of us was a profound time in our lives.  We were innocent human beings who believed that we were seeking "truth" and had found it.  After a period of time, we could see that there were reasons to doubt that we had really stumbled upon spiritual truth.  In a sense we feel that we were raped (spiritually).  Even very intelligent human beings can be hoodwinked.  Some years ago, my own son that I love dearly was caught up in the Jehovah Witnesses and he and I went around and around with some very heated debates and I offended his senses.  My son is a very intelligent man who is in management of a multi-million dollar company and his position pays him a salary that would be the envy of most human beings.  What it proves is that even very intelligent human beings can be caught off guard and be swept up in religious foolishness.

Fortunately, I succeeded in persuading my son that his affiliation with this cult religious group was not something he wanted to be involved with.  That was years ago and he was set free from bondage to this stupid religion. Without question he will never again be caught up in religious nonsense.

There is something deep in our human souls about being taken advantage of by religious hustlers, even if they were sincere about their deceptions.  Ultimately human beings have been trying to make sense of human life for thousands of years.  No matter our personal position in what we think is truth, it is for sure that we will all exit life on earth.  You would think that common sense would dictate that life should be lived for positive and constructive purpose, while we have these few short years to live.  Should we live to be seventy, eighty, ninety or even one-hundred and beyond, in terms of eternity it is just a blinking of the eye.  What then is the purpose of life?  I suppose the answer will vary with the individual.

None of us have a clue as to what really happens beyond the grave, although many have experienced "out-of-body" experiences that are to my thinking not to be dismissed.  There is another dimension.  We are not God and we will all perish.  Those of us who have children and grandchildren know beyond doubt that it is sad to even contemplate death and that the void when anyone dies, is a void that can never ever be replaced.  There is simply nothing on earth or in the universe that can replace my sons, my daughters, my grandchildren or my wife or loved ones.  It is impossible.  Is there a lesson in human existence that we all yearn to understand?

Why is God silent?  Why does He not communicate with us on a level that we can see Him, converse with Him and know beyond doubt what this life is all about?  Men have been asking questions like this since the beginning of time no doubt.  Who can understand human suffering?  Does any human being exist who does not know suffering?  Who doesn't want utopia, paradise and happiness forever?  We live in a world of seeming madness.  The endless wars of death and destruction of countless millions of human beings never ceases and why?  Are those who rule really even human beings?  The United States has military bases all over the world and what for?  World dominion? So a hand full of human beings gain control of the entire planet and all its resources and control all the people---then what?  All the rulers will end their lives in the graveyard the same as all others.

Are we missing something in life?  Religions and governments of men are obviously both control freaks.  They both assume the position of being God to all human beings on earth.  "Its the law" is the biggest excuse man ever invented for control.  I don't doubt that God Almighty exists, but I also am flabbergasted that there are more questions about life than there are answers.  Rest assured the Worldwide Church of God and its many deformed and mentally paralyzed daughters, have no more clue, than do all the other religious groups on earth.  Humans will battle mentally forever over issues of religion.  We all know that ALL the leaders of ALL the splinter groups of the Worldwide Church of God, will ALL vanish from life on earth and it is just a matter of time.  Everything changes in time.  Good bye Rod Meridith, Gerald Flurry and so forth.  They will ALL meet up with Herbert and Garner Ted.

What then is the real purpose of human life?


Van Robison