Sunday, March 19, 2023

Dave Pack: If you do not listen me, pay me, and believe me…you will NOT receive the kingdom

 



The Greatest Hissy Fit

 

David C. Pack chastised The Restored Church of God for 97 minutes by disguising it as a Christian-living sermon titled, “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 430)” on March 18, 2023.

 

This is more accurate:

 

The Greatest Hissy Fit Ever Told!”

 

Part 430 is THE quintessential David C. Pack.

 

To fully appreciate the scope, everyone should listen to the entire tirade. Those in RCG, those who left, and even people who never attended but are curious as to what is being taught behind the locked gates in Wadsworth, Ohio. It is THAT kind of sermon.

 

Dave caresses your cheek, saying he is trying to help while tossing you into the Lake of Fire and pointing out it is your fault.

 

The skimmers will NOT want to skim this.

 

Friday failed. But Wednesday, March 22, is sure.

Do not listen to Dave? You will NOT get salvation.

Do not pay Dave? You will NOT get salvation.

Do not believe Dave? You will NOT receive the Kingdom.

Confused? God is NOT working with you.

“Seek Ye First” IS Prophecy

 

 

This week, David C. Pack was informed by a field minister that “at least 10%-20%” of his congregation do not listen to the Series anymore.

 

Dave blew a gasket, and this is why we have Part 430. The less-significant reason never fully addressed is that God the Father did not come to earth Friday to start the First Kingdom to Israel. That will happen on Wednesday, March 22, but first things first.

 

Finding out a significant portion of the RCG membership stopped listening to Dave must have pierced into the depths of his soul. His arrogant, narcissistic, self-important ego was cut in a way nothing else on the face of the earth could.

 

He addresses it Big Time.

 

Part 430 – March 18, 2023

@ 01:44 If you know some who’ve stopped listening to or hearing the Series, tell them to hear this. ASAP. You might save their life.

 

Did you hear that, brethren? Listening to Dave might save your life.

 

Part 430, combined with Abib 1 on Wednesday Jerusalem time, is a significant line-in-the-sand for everyone attending The Restored Church of God. This week should be a massive one-two punch to the gut for those paying any attention.

 

May God help every one of them HEAR the words of David C. Pack. Listen to the man closely. Take it to heart. Consider his warnings. Do not blow him off. That is a sincere plea. Everyone should hear Part 430.

 

The next 25 minutes begin with Dave reading and commenting on the letter sent in by a field minister. That alone is worth its own article. Then, Dave reminds people about the attitudes in The Worldwide Church of God under Herbert W. Armstrong.

 

All that is set up for Dave to lay into his audience because he wants to "jolt" them into action. The brethren of The Restored Church of God should all take serious action after hearing this message and after Abib 1 fails this week. It will surely fail.

 



@ 27:53 I mean, you blowing off I just I’m astonished that people could I’m amazed they didn’t quit. They don’t even bother to listen? What in the world are they thinking? If they’re thinking at all. They certainly couldn’t possibly get salvation. God is not gonna force on them something they’re not interested in hearing about. That would make God a fool. He'd be a fool. Do these people connect that? "I believe God is a fool. He'll give me salvation whenever He wants to. I don't believe any of this." But they don't leave. You hope that some of them haven't gone to the point where they're about to leave if time went on and God says they’re unbelieving hypocrites. Why? They get an appointment with the unbelievers and the hypocrites.

 

Did you hear that, brethren? If you ignore Dave, you will not get salvation.

 

@ 31:40 So, people looking for absolute simplicity (‘cause they’re confused over the Series) looking for absolute simplicity should become Methodists. They’re the church for those people unless they wanna change. Unless they wanna change. Better yet, be atheists. Believe nothing. Don’t believe anything.

 

Like many things, Dave does not get it.

 

Brethren in RCG do not want simple. They want accuracy. The Series is not true.

 

Friday was yet another proof of that.

 

 


@ 36:41 Now, think, brethren: When you say you're going to "seek the Kingdom of God first" and eternal life, that is intrinsically a statement about prophecy. The first thing you’re to seek is something that is prophesied. It’s not here.

 

Did you hear that, brethren? Seek Ye First is about prophecy.

 

Since RCG was founded in 1999, “seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness” has always been about “building God’s holy, righteous character to qualify to enter.” In the past, Dave said understanding how prophecy worked was not a qualifier for salvation. But it is now.

 

@ 36:58 You can get baptized here. You can avoid a ham sandwich here. You can keep the Sabbath here or the Feast here. Or tithe here. You can do all those things here. You cannot have the Kingdom of God yet. It involves looking into the future at what's still coming. That's called prophecy. You cannot seek the Kingdom of God first, never mind if you wanna really understand what's coming, unless you're willing to get into certain verses. What turned out to be like almost, I mean, really, silly simple was a hard journey.

 

The brethren of The Restored Church of God have been “willing to get into certain verses” for over seven years. Repeating those same verses a dozen times with a new meaning each time does not build faith. Talk about “wearing out the saints.”

 

One uncomfortable fact is that listening to the entire Series gets nobody closer to the Kingdom of God. In reality, it pushes them further away because David C. Pack is not preaching the truths of God.

 

Friday was yet another proof of that.

 

 



@ 38:55 But some don't want the truth of prophecy either. Because if prophecy, if they understand they really understand the Gospel and the Kingdom, they've gotta do it and obey it, and there's verses that say both, and they don't wanna do that. So, they don’t have a problem with prophecy. They’re confused because they're not close to God, and He's not working with them. And then, eventually, they tune it out. God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. “I don’t need to be told anything.” And because God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble, they resist the truth. There’s a verse about that, too. So, if God is resisting you because of your pride, then you're gonna resist the truth, and no wonder you'll be confused. Because God isn’t working with you. It’s that simple. Now, the people who are holding these attitudes today have not left. So, I am hopeful. I wanna see the house not broken up. I wanna see us stay together.

 

Did you hear that, brethren? If you are confused, God is not working with you.

 

If you are confused, it is because you resist the truth.

 

If you are confused, it is because of your pride.

 

You do not want to obey the Gospel.

 

David C. Pack has not talked to a solitary soul about why they stopped listening to him, yet he completely understands their hearts and perceives their innermost motivations. He can judge from the lectern who God is or is not working with in RCG and the reasons why.

 

The brethren WANT to obey God. The brethren WANT to live God's way. The brethren WANT to build their character, befitting of salvation. But they are torn because they do not believe David C. Pack.

 

Friday was another proof their doubts were manifested in reality.

 

 

Ultimately, it is always about the money. There is no point in whipping the church if Dave cannot add juice to fatten the RCG wallet.




@ 39:57 It's your Father's good pleasure (not just His pleasure) to give you the kingdom. But then it lists some things to do. And the first one it says is, "Sell all that you have." Now, I'm gonna be very blunt. We have brethren in this church who are sitting on a tremendous amount of money, and they will not do that. Now, why they didn't leave, I don't know. They must think, “I guess that's for the people dumb enough to have faith and do it.” But they won't do it. If all the people with the money (even in our size church) had sent it in, we could rock the planet (just with our size). Or maybe pay off the buildings or whatever we’d do.

 

Pause. 

 

Dave admits he would spend the money on preaching the Gospel to the world. But maybe just spent it on the Campus. Or "whatever we do" is open to interpretation, like buying the $500,000 house in July.

 

He sometimes says things he does not realize he is saying. Where does all that money go that they have now? The pattern of RCG for seven years running is the Campus—first, the Gospel—eventually. There are new trees and gardens each year, but no new literature. The last World to Come was produced five years ago. AYC 2020 did not happen, but the parents and teens were not refunded.

 

One crazy question is: If the Father is set to arrive on Wednesday, why does he care about funds for work that will not happen? Why is he pressuring for money when he will not have time to cash the checks?

 

It is because he knows it will be regular office hours on Thursday. And they NEED the money.

 

@ 40:42 I know individuals with hundreds of thousands. You couldn't possibly tell me they either believe God when He says that (and there's 4-5-6-8 places where it talks about “sell all”). They couldn't possibly believe that Christ is coming.

 

Maybe they did on Thursday. But Friday was another proof David C. Pack has no idea what God is doing and when things will occur. Those holding back funds are wise to do so.

 

@ 40:57 And I know that I either just helped some people out there because I jolted them or I offended them because I tried to save their life. I don't know. Now if they said they believe God and they don't, they're liars. If they don't pay Common, they're thieves. That makes them lying thieves. And I think you pretty much know they're not gonna be saved.

 

Did you hear that, brethren? Pay Common, or you are lying thieves.

 

If you do not pay Common, you will not be saved.

 

This is David C. Pack trying to save your life.

 

 

The money grab turns darker. Since Dave is all about death, anyhow, the cash angle is an easy dot to connect.

 



@ 41:47 So, if you don't sell all and you're part of the little flock, you should fear. “Fear not” is not for you. It's for the people that are doing it. You’re not getting the kingdom. You're gonna enter (at best) raging hell and face death. Because to whom much is given, much is required. You're not you have no chance. Not only for salvation but to avoid the Great Tribulation. You won't be pampered anywhere in the prison you go to, where you'll be tortured and killed. Wow, that's called a jolt. Then you should ask yourself, “What did my funds and savings do for me now that I'm here? And I'm being beaten to death before I actually am put to death?” It says they're gonna be beaten with many stripes.

 

Did you hear that, brethren? Pay Common or be tortured and killed.

 

This is David C. Pack trying to save your life.

 

Says the man who proclaimed the Father would arrive on Friday morning and then spends all of Part 430 not explaining what happened.

 

 

@ 1:02:30 Three things will result from today. Some now on fire will become more so. That's good…Others who are not will repent. That's good, too. The third one, hopefully, none, but a few may get offended because they’re told to change at the last minute and get angry at somebody trying to save their life. I’ve seen it happen.

 

By "change," Dave means to listen to his Series and write him a check.

 

@ 1:04:23 Don’t be surprised if some destroy themselves.

 

@ 1:04:36 If you know people who aren't listening, try to get them at least to listen to this message. I hope 10 to 20 percent is not typical of every congregation. And he said, “at least.”

 

I agree. Please get anyone you can to listen to this message. The 97 minutes is worth your time.

 

 

Dave breaks his non-prophecy theme in the last 30 minutes and explains the new picture. It boils down to Abib 1 being the day the Kingdom to Israel is established. It is sure and perfect.

 

But he is still able to get defensive about it.

 

@ 1:31:33 If God had picked somebody else, then maybe we’da done it faster. But, in the end, it became terribly simple.

 

David C. Pack does not understand one bit about the people he rules. He plums the depths of their being and can draw out the essence of what they think and why. So he assumes.

 

The brethren care about accuracy, not speed. We all wanted that. I would still be working across the street if Dave had stopped setting dates and highlighting where he is all over my Bible.

 

He had one shot to be legitimate and blew it in 2013. He has spent the last 10 years over-explaining what a hack he really is.

 

The brethren of The Restored Church of God long for Jesus Christ to return and bring His Kingdom. David C. Pack is just not the guy who will carry that ball across the goal line. 

 

What is “terribly simple” is that David C. Pack is a false apostle and false prophet. He cannot entertain the idea that he is to blame for brethren tuning him out. It is solely their fault. He gave not one inch to the notion he had anything to do with people giving up or leaving. He washed his hands of that blood and found himself guiltless.

 

That is the kind of man he is.

 

Hopefully, Part 430 showed everyone who and what David C. Pack is. He is an Angel of Light pretending to be from God. He is a biblical fraud. A charlatan. A magician perverting the scriptures with his verbal magic. He is a blaspheming liar, and nothing he says should be believed.

 

Did you hear Part 430, brethren?

 

His Greatest Hissy Fit was all for you.






Marc Cebrian

See: Hissy Fit

Aleksandar Sasha Veljic "We who are his friends tried to rescue CCOG by telling him things he did not believe and presenting him arguments and proofs he simply dismissed. "

 



You posed a question: can Bob Thiel get any crazier? Well, perhaps he can. Prior to his sermon on government and gossip, I got an email in which he asked if Terry Nelson has lost it for posting on this site. I replied to him that I am not a dictator, so Terry Nelson is a free moral agent who makes his own decisions, and God is judge of him, as He is of all of us. Then I reminded him of various comments I receive from his followers, one of which was a detestable email from African CCOG "evangelist" Evans, who wrote that I am capable of only one thing: to sow discord among the brethren. Then, I reminded Bob of his own words to Terry Nelson`s son whom Bob accussed of being blind and put a reference to Christ`s letter to Laodiceans. So, then, I told Bob that it is really a good question who lost it and what has been lost!? In the meantime, friends informed me that his message had gone up. Regardless of my total dislike of his approach, while he ignores the factual evidence of awful corruption and misdeeds, I will not make any response to that. In my email to him, I asked him to please remind his followers that pride comes before destruction, and I pointed out that I have asked all those associated with me not to attack him and his CCOG. I also reminded Bob of the men who have created all the mess in CCOG in Africa and I also cautioned him that his CCOG may soon be faced directly with Romans 13. Because some of now former CCOG members in Malawi decided to appeal to their government over the various abuses they received from CCOG representative there. So, the evidence of various - as I call them - crimes against humanity is at the Malawian government. Let it also be known that Malawian government kindly registered Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God, being thankful to us who have stood up for the oppressed Malawian believers. It is the first country where we were registered and it is symbolic because that the country where the worst abuses have happened against members in the name of "government of God".  

And one more comment about calling into account that always comes from the TOP, not from the basest bottom. From which top it can come? CCOG has only one person at the top. And the closest person to Bob in the rank is "evangelist" who has created his own evil personal church empire, yet has audacity to write a detestable letter to me in which he puts me down with his pride and disgusting comments. Surely, he could only insult me and praise himself that he is the one in Africa, he does a mighty work, etc. So, no, nobody could hold Bob Thiel accountable from the top, for no one than him is on the top. We who are his friends tried to rescue CCOG by telling him things he did not believe and presenting him arguments and proofs he simply dismissed. We have done our duty before God and Christ for we have to submit to God rather than to any man. Terry Nelson has even gone that far to inform the widest audience about all those things by posting it here.  

To anonymous comment from LCG: there is no reason for you in LCG to laugh about this tragedy because for many years you enjoyed the fellowship and blogs from Bob Thiel. Also, remember what the Bible says about rejoicing over somebody`s fall. There are some things laughable about LCG, but I don`t feel like laughing. It hurts me that the Body of Christ has been fragmented by various leaders who were driven by their vanity, egoism and pride. Rod Meredith and other COG leaders today are not innocent of that either. 

To those who made reference to Joyce and David, can you have mercy and refrain from such comments?! Would Christ have that kind of attitude in this or any other situation for that matter?

Disgruntled COG Prophet Tries Claim He Is The ONE MAN To Lead Final Phase Of The Work And All Who Reject Him Are In Rebellion!

Bob Thiel, now a totally discredited Church of God leader has been doubling down on his authority as the ONLY end-time COG leader and that church members should yield to his church government and recognize him as the right ONE to lead the church.

Bwana Bob has a lengthy post up today about proper church governance and uses Herbert Armstrong's letter he wrote on church government while the Worldwide Church of God was being investigated by the State of California for financial malfeasance.

Thiel quotes the entire letter, but here is the except that Thiel believes pertains to him:

God ... He has always worked through ONE MAN at a time. He worked through Abraham. He worked through Moses, through Joshua, through one "judge" at a time, through Samuel, through David, through Solomon. He worked through Peter and when Peter had left the Middle East, through Paul. These men had, in greater or lesser number, staff assistants under them, but God's WORK was through the ONE MAN AT A TIME! THIS IS THE "WORK OF GOD" -- and not a humanly organized institution, operation or organization on the worldly corporate type of organization, function and procedure. (Armstrong H. Just What Is 'The WORK'? Good News, April 1981)

God never works through committees. God works only through one man at a time, and always did. All through the Bible you will find that God had to work through one man at a time. (Armstrong H. Another Civilization. Sermon, October 2, 1982)

To administer these many operations, God--not a vote of the members--"hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers." Or, as stated in more detail in Ephesians 4:11 (RSV): "And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers." ...

Evangelists were leading ministers, proclaiming the gospel to the public, even raising up local churches and having supervision over some churches ... an evangelist may hold executive functions under the apostle in the Church headquarters or work today. An evangelist is not necessarily stationary. Pastors are stationary pastors over a local church or contingent group of local churches. (Armstrong HW. Mystery of the Ages, Chapter 6)

Now what kind of a building do you have if part of the facade, one or two stones, or one or two pieces of the wood of it is over one place and some of it is over in another State, and a part of it is in another nation, and another part of it is somewhere else? Would you call it a building? And yet there are those that say; "Well I'm a loner, I'm an individual Christian. I don't want to be a part of any church organization." And then there's those who say; "I don't want to follow a man." And yet that's what they do do, they follow a man usually. And they go off into many little cliques, each one of them following one man. 
   
Now God has always worked through one man as leader. But that man is only a leader, and always it has been God. For example, when Samuel was a prophet leading the people of God, they didn't want Samuel anymore, they wanted a human king like the other nations. God said; "It isn't you they have rejected Samuel, you weren't the real ruler, I was. They have rejected me that I should not rule over them." (I Samuel 8:7 paraphrased). This is eighth chapter of I Samuel. And, you see it was God ruling them, not Samuel. 
   
And so it is really Christ leading the Church today, it is not I. I am only an instrument. (Armstrong H. Ephesians 3 & 4 Bible Study, January 2, 1981)

Thiel is struggling right now to regain control of his rapidly dwindling church, particaurly in Africa. According to him rebellion men have arisen and are casting negative stories about him and his African work. These men are in direct rebellion against him as the ONE TRUE Church of God leader. They have rebelled against TRUE church government. 


If you wish to be Philadelphian faithful, you need to know who the O N E M A N at this time leading the final phase of the work is (watch also Dreams, the Bible, the Radio Church of God, and the Continuing Church of God). 
 
If there is some type of a crisis, what should members do? 
 
Support that ONE MAN unless he is clearly an apostate.

But you are Bob! You are apostate!