How Will We Remember Bob Thiel and James Malm When They Die?

Yesterday I posted a brief story about the death of William Dankenbring, a former Worldwide Church of God member, writer, and minister.  I deliberately did not make any comments about his track record of public pronouncements, predictions or esoteric beliefs.  That should not be the point of announcing the death of people who have historical ties to the Church of God movement, and of whom many of us know.  

Not so with Almost arrested and jailed Bob Thiel and Chief Pharisaical Zealot James Malm.  Both of these false prophets let the spittle fly right off the bat with righteous indignation.

Zealot Malm writes:

29 Aug:  Self proclaimed COG prophet William Dankenbring  died today from congestive heart failure and renal failure, he had been living in Omak, Washington. 

False prophet William Dankenbring had numerous prophetic failures and many obviously false doctrines, which were as unscriptural and as utterly fantastic as Dave Pack’s or Ron Weinland’s.   He left the WCG to form Triumph Ministries, establishing himself as a sacred names enthusiast.   Most COG folks saw through him but he did have a small following.

Elijah and Second Witless Witness Bob Thiel  was even more brutal:

William Dankenbring was a prolific, though often inaccurate, writer. He used to write for the old Radio and Worldwide Church of God until he left and went out on his own. 

Although I heard about him originally in the 1970s, my first encounter with William Dankenbring was about 25 year ago. I wrote to him then objecting to some of his writings and asking to be taken off of his mailing list–a mailing list I had never asked to be on. Well, he was not pleased and wrote a tirade against that which he published. All my encounters with him over the years were negative. 

William Dankenbring made many false predictions over the years that I have denounced. He was always in error and time proved that.

But perhaps the most egregious negative experience I had with him was when I informed him that a written source he claimed proved at 15th, and not 14th of Nisan, Passover did not say what he claimed it did. He refused to even look at the actual proof when I offered it.

He, like many, had an opinion, and did not want to believe facts that did not support that opinion. 

Here we have two certified liars and false prophets, who currently preach unscriptural baloney, proclaiming another fellow COG leader a false prophet and a liar.  Talk about total hypocrisy!  Thiel and Malm have both lied and made false prophecies and predictions.  They both teach heretical crap that has no relevance to a new covenant Christian.  Both continue to bow at the altar of Moses while ignoring and diminishing that so inconvenient dude, Jesus.  Whoring themselves out to the law apparently is not an issue for them.  Nor, is looking inward at their own warped sense of reasoning.

How people respond to the death of these two will be interesting to see.  It remains to be seen if they will continue to lie and set wrong dates, and then back peddle and lie again, as they already have been doing, and as Dave Pack and Gerald Flurry do. I can guarantee though that when Gerald Flurry and Dave Pack die there will be no mercy leveled at their death announcements.  Perverse men like these do not deserve the honor.

UCG Member Just Thankful To Be Able To Sweep Doorsteps IF and IF God Lets Her Into The Kingdom

Did you know that the life story of Herbert Armstrong is comparable to Jesus' story or that of the original apostles? Herb was betrayed by many loyal men over the years just like Jesus was.

Even worse though is the idea that the person has been brought up and taught by UCG ministers that as a woman in the church she was unworthy and that "god" just might possibly let her into the kingdom if she fulfilled all the commands of the church.  Works always trump mercy when law reigns supreme. Armstrongism has always taught that none of us were ever qualified to make it.  We could never do enough, do what was right, or ever please God.  Herbert Armstrong's coworker/member letters always brought this point out.

Here is what a UCG member said on Facebook:

I'm just hoping I can sweep a door step somewhere in the Kingdom.. As long as I get there.. I don't know what UCG church you went to but it wasn't the same one I know. As far as HWA is concerned, I never met the man but I have listened to hundreds of stories over the years about him and his teachings.. His mistakes.. His sins.. His great accomplishments.. His betrayals at the hands of those closest to him... His story sounds fairly similar to most every man on this earth.. Even some from a group of 12 many years ago. Was he.. I don't know.. Only God does.

William Dankenbring Dies

William Dankenbring has died.  Dankenbring was a prolific writer while he was in the Worldwide Church of God and after he left.   I remember his books displayed in Jekyll Island the year after he was kicked out.  The ministers stood on stage and demanded that church members not buy his books.  He had negotiated deals with gift shops, liquor stores to display and sell his books during the Feast.  People bought them anyway.

He has a web site here:  Triumph Prophetic Ministries (Church of God)  His site is heavily into conspiracy theories and other wild diversions.

He died today, August 29, 2017, around 1:00 pm. of congestive heart failure and renal failure.

He has lived the past few years in Omak, Washington.

LCG Scott Winnail: I encourage you, avoid the mistake of telling your daughters and your granddaughters that they can be anything they want to be.

Raising Daughters, Raising Godly Women

Scott Winnail says:

"How many women today speak in meek and quiet ways? Is that what society is pushing women to do; be meek and quiet? We have some interesting discussions in my class when we talk about this. No, what is society telling you as a woman? “Be strong, stand up for yourself, defend yourself. Cut to the chase, don’t take flak from anyone.” What’s wrong with this picture though? Parents, grandparents, I encourage you as we think about this, avoid, I encourage you, avoid the mistake of telling your daughters and your granddaughters that they can be anything they want to be. There’s a fallacy in that. We don’t want to direct our daughters and our granddaughters into a job or career path that forces her to change her character into something that God didn’t intend. And there are job and career paths that will turn a woman’s character opposite of what God designed it to be. If we force (we don’t force), if we push our daughters and granddaughters into those careers they will never be fully happy. They can’t be, because those career paths and jobs are forcing them into roles that God doesn’t want them in. That’s a fallacy: “You can be anything you want to be.” Men can’t do that either. We shouldn’t tell our boys that either, “You can be anything you want to be.” No you can’t! Not and be a Christian. There are plenty of job responsibilities that are wrong, that are un-Christian, that break the law of God. Developing weapons, serving in the military, serving in security jobs where you carry a weapon, working as a doctor where you know you’re going to be on call two Sabbaths a month, and you know you’ll work. That’s not an ox in a ditch situation that’s pushing an ox into the ditch. So, telling our kids that they can do anything they want to do, they can be anything they want to be, is a fallacy, whether it’s to boys or to girls."

Tithe of the Tithe: How The Church Steals More Money From Members

One of the biggest con-jobs the church laid upon members was the command for members to tithe upon their second tithe.  This money was supposed to go to the church where they used it for Feast site support.  This money ended up being used for all kinds things other than the feast.

This is from the Hulmerous Church of God on how the COG justifies stealing an additional 10% from members.

Church of God an International Community The October 2016 issue of Church of God News contains an article (p.13-14) by Tim Anderson, ‘Tithe of the Tithe’, a phrase that is found twice in scripture:

Num.18:26 ‘Moreover thou shalt speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithe which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up a heave-offering of it for Jehovah, a tithe of the tithe.’ 

Neh.10:38 ‘And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure-house. For the children of Israel and the children of Levi shall bring the heave-offering of the grain...’

Tim Anderson writes: “In 1964 God’s Church faced a crisis. Over 22,000 people would attend the Feast of Tabernacles that year. The next year there would be more than 29,000 (with 12,000 at a single Feast site). Projecting the Church’s phenomenal growth, they were planning on around 140,000 by 1971 [and 144,000 by January 1972, when Herbert Armstrong would make the long awaited announcement of the place of safety], and they had no idea how to accommodate so many people. After much consideration and prayer, God led Mr. Armstrong to the answer: a ‘tithe of the tithe’.”

The WCG were already receiving and spending 100% of the first tithes, so Herbert Armstrong translated this phrase to mean one tenth of the second tithe.

“Today we use tithe of the tithe to refer to giving 10 percent of our second tithe to the Church, to aid in financing the Feast of Tabernacles. Mr. Armstrong instituted this practice in 1964 based on the biblical principles of the Levites giving a tenth of tithes to the priests. It wasn’t a direct command, but the application of a principle found elsewhere in the Scriptures.”

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Hurricane Harvey plays right into the hands of the false prophets of the COG

As usual, various COG ministers who think they are somehow in direct contact with their gods, think they know what It is thinking and doing.  Never ones to let a good disaster go to waste, they are jumping into their usual "angry god" stage and claiming that their god is really pissed at the humans living in that area of Texas and is deliberately punishing them.  Their god demands this kind of action.

The almost arrested and jailed false prophet and improperly ordained Bob Thiel, of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God, has already let his pissed off god loose to wreck havoc.

God controls the weather. Wet weather is sometimes used by God for judgment and correction. 

As regular readers of this page are aware, I have repeatedly warned of weather problems coming. Back in 2009, in my book, 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect, I wrote that the following was about to happen:

Odd weather patterns result in food shortages and natural disasters.

Matthew 24:7

The world is actually in a berserk transition, as the real age of peace is not yet here. It may be a period of chaos. It is the beginning of sorrows.

Matthew 24:8

Since that was published, we have had record smashing heat and odd weather problems. These weather issues should serve as a wake-up call.

Like of any typical doom and gloom false prophet of Armstrongism, they need their god to be consistently angry at its children.  Their god has been angry at the United States for 80 some years now and is constantly whipping up one disaster after another in order to bring the nation to its knees so it can worship the god of these false men.

Weather issues will likely help weaken the USA.

Weather events should serve as a wake-up call. 

Something much worse than Hurricane Harvey will hit the USA one day.

Gerald Flurry: Elite Grandson, Grant Turgeon Trained To Be Steward To The BIG BOSS On New PCG Jet

Gerald Flurry recently bought his own jet for the exclusive use of he and his immediate family.  The reason he bought the jet was so he would not have to fly sitting next to some disease ridden member of the public or gods forbid if he had to stand in line for the security check.   Nothing could be more humiliating for the prophet of god having his crotch touched by an over-zealous TSA agent.

The Philadelphia Church of God has been working over time in finding every imaginable excuse in justifying the purchase of the jet.  Now the son of PCG's most abusive ministers (Wayne Turgeon) has written an article, Flying Solo, that is featured on the PCG web site about his recent training on how to be a flight steward on his grand-daddy's private play toy.

PCG sent Grant Turgeon off to Long Beach recently to train how to be a steward on a private jet. Only the elite relatives of Flurry are allowed to fly on the jet, so there could never possibly be a lay member trained to do this job.

As soon as I opened the front door, something felt different. The date was June 19, my first day of a week-long course at Flight Safety International in Long Beach, California. Through nearly 40 hours of lectures and drills, I became certified as a cabin attendant for the Philadelphia Church of God’s new Gulfstream 450 aircraft.

In his very next paragraph, he talks about the intense persecution he received as a high school student playing basket ball.  The reason for this is that he used his time in Long Beach as an opportunity to witness about the glories of his grand father establishing the most amazing work the world has ever seen.  In high school, he did not have the balls to stand up for his faith due to being surrounded by the heathen unconverted spawn of pagans.

Ever since finding out about the training course a few days before it started, I had been bracing myself for the worst but still hoping for the best. It brought to mind an uncomfortable encounter as a 15-year-old high school baseball player back in 2008 when I was relentlessly ridiculed and harassed by my freshman teammates, and even the older players, for being the only kid who couldn’t participate in games on Friday nights or Saturdays, who disappeared for a week in October to attend the Feast of Tabernacles (or to sacrifice animals at the temple, as they jokingly claimed), who chose not to attend parties, and who refused to experiment with alcohol and drugs. 

Of course, this was nine years ago in the absurdly popularity-obsessed environment of public school, in which teenagers probe for any peculiarity in their peers and then attack it relentlessly, just to avoid being picked on themselves for their own insecurities. Realistically, I understood that my time at Flight Safety International, surrounded mostly by adults twice my age and older, wouldn’t be quite as laden with persecution.

Now that Grant considers himself one of the most converted young men on earth today, he started imagining how he could witness to his instructors and class mates.

Still, I knew that God’s way of life always attracts curiosity, whether good or bad. When I entered the training center, I could only pray that the curiosity of my fellow students and my instructors would be of the more pleasant variety.

Never fear, the god of PCG was quick to intervene and use Grant as a witness to the majestic lifestyle of Gerald Flurry.  His classmates were SHOCKED to learn he was working for his grandfather, Gerald.  SHOCKED!!!!!!!!!

On the third day of training, one of the instructors asked my three female classmates and me how well we knew the principal passenger on the private planes where we would be working. After some hesitation, I explained that I would be flying with my grandfather. 

This was shocking, apparently. My answer invited an onslaught of incredulous yet positive comments and questions, since working for a relative in the flight business is practically unheard of. Would my grandfather even make me wear a uniform? What meals does he prefer? How easy is he to get along with? Where will we be traveling? 

During a mid-morning break a couple hours later, one of my classmates asked me several questions about my grandfather. I told her his name and pointed out that he is the presenter of the Key of David television program, one of the three or four largest religious telecasts in the United States. She asked to see what he looks like, so I pulled out my phone and showed her the introduction to one of the programs on YouTube.

His class mates were astounded by Grant's time teaching them about the one true church and they were amazed and excited.  Apparently, these trainees already knew Gerald Flurry was the smartest man on earth.

Her excited reaction revealed that she had seen Mr. Flurry before. She quickly called across the lounge to her boyfriend, a pilot who was taking a different training course that same week. He was happy to meet the grandson of a man whom he frequently watches on tv. According to this pilot, Mr. Flurry is “smart” and “really knows his stuff.” I agreed. 

Following a morning of practicing in-flight food preparation, teachers and students gathered beneath a flight simulator in the warehouse for the only group lunch of the week. The timing was impeccable, just a few hours after the whole crew had discovered my family relation to the big boss.

Grant now had the opportunity at lunch time to tell the complete story of the miraculous emergence of the greatest Church of God in this age.

Questions came my way, so I answered. Do I plan to enter the ministry like Mr. Flurry? “No; no one in this Church plans to.” Why would some pcg members travel several hours to attend Church services each week? “Because they are deeply committed to their beliefs.” With every answer I gave, the people around me realized more and more how vastly different this way of life is. 

“Why did your grandfather choose to become a minister?” one middle-aged female instructor asked as the other teachers and students got up to wash their dishes. I replied that it was the last career he would have chosen; as a young man, he used to criticize his mother for listening to the radio program of Worldwide Church of God founder Herbert W. Armstrong, the predecessor to Mr. Flurry and the pcg. But as his life spiraled out of control, he couldn’t help but notice how happy and stable his mother was. Since his father wasn’t the best role model, he came to see Mr. Armstrong as his spiritual father. 

Later on, I continued, Mr. Flurry attended the wcg’s educational institution, Ambassador College, which was located in Pasadena—just a short drive from Flight Safety International. After three years as an older, married student, he was hired to write for the Church’s world news publication, The Plain Truth, only to be fired about a year later. 

At this point, a field minister asked Mr. Flurry to be a ministerial trainee under him. Finally, I told my instructor, he became a minister and has remained in that capacity for nearly 50 years. Because the wcg changed its mission under new leadership following Mr. Armstrong’s death in 1986, Mr. Flurry started the pcg in 1989 and has worked to uphold Mr. Armstrong’s legacy ever since.

In practical terms, I explained, this means starting colleges in Oklahoma and England, hosting renowned musical geniuses in an annual concert series at Armstrong Auditorium, excavating biblical remains in Jerusalem, delivering a hope-filled message through every possible digital and print medium, and even acquiring a private aircraft for the purpose of traveling the world and encouraging thousands of dedicated pcg members.

Grant felt deeply inspired by his experience and the chance to witness the glorious truth about his grandfather to his trainee mates.  This time he was not a weak immature high school student too afraid to witness to his basketball teammates. God used him as a witness to the unconverted.

Now Grant wants to use this experience as a tool to teach the youth of PCG to always be ready with an answer when asked and to never be afraid.  So the next time someone questions a PCG member about the mindless purchase of the jet, they will be ready to step forward with an answer.

During my week in California, I also learned the true meaning of the Apostle Peter’s admonition: “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear” (1 Peter 3:15). 

In other words, God’s people, including the youth, must have the humility and the understanding to give honest answers about our way of life, which fills us with a living hope. Sometimes, this goes beyond explaining why we keep the Sabbath and the holy days, or why we don’t eat pork. At Flight Safety International, I was hardly asked a single doctrinal question. Instead, I had to know some of the fruits of God’s Work, as well as some of the history of the Church. The Autobiography of Herbert W. Armstrong and Raising the Ruins are outstanding resources for building this knowledge.

Never once in his entire week of training did Grant ever talk about Jesus.  It was all about Gerald Flurry, Mystery of the Ages and Lil'Stevie's pathetic and deceptive book, Raising the Ruins.  Since Jesus has never been part of the Philadelphia empire, it is no wonder Grant was incapable of talking or witnessing about Christ to these pagans.

One of the mantras of the Church of God has always been, "be ready to give an answer."  Of course, that "answer" was always about justifying Herbert Armstrong or some other COG leader or doctrine.  It never included mentioning Jesus.  God forbid a true COG member would EVER discuss Jesus with pagans!!!!!! Ghastly days!

Notice: We are encouraged to “give an answer.” This implies that someone asked a question first. One thing that makes God’s Church vastly different from any other church is that we do not initiate religious discussions. We do not go door to door with the gospel. We do not argue for hours with unconverted family members, trying to convince or force them to come into the Church. We do not embark on missionary journeys to baptize pagans in Africa and South America.

But, if asked, we should have been paying enough attention during Church services, and exerting enough effort in personal Bible study, to give a satisfactory answer.

God’s way of life works. People are naturally intrigued by it. It is up to us to set a right example and to give an answer that would make God proud. 

God's way of life does work if the person is following Jesus, but does a COG way of life work as a way of making God proud?  Considering the horrific track record of the Philadelphia Church of God in leading people to suicide, breaking up families and marriages and teaching members to abandon handicapped children in the mall, how could God EVER be proud of the PCG?

Dave Pack: The campus is finished. I will build no more buildings. The end is near.

Poor Dave.  After losing so many members and the stream of money they sent to him, this has caused him to finally realize he cannot build his auditorium or student center.  Where is his "jesus" going to preach from when he returns to Wadsworth?  What a major disappointment for Dave this must be.  Having to sit there and watch Gerald Flurry have his auditorium, has to be humiliating for god's most important man!

Dave claims all money now coming in is going straight into getting his message out.  Well, except for the million or so it will take to build his home and homes for the other elite on campus.  There are priorities, after all.

The fire has started. You have endured much just over the last year. We’re in our 19^th year in the Restored Church of God. I could list so many areas in where the Church has grown in love. I’ve seen zeal. I could be like Paul, telling the folks in Hebrew 10, don’t sell yourself short. We’ve done a lot of good things. The campus is essentially done. You know, extra funds that come in, they’re not going into the campus, they’re going into this Work.

Dave Pack: We have people here that are no more converted than carpet...and they smoke pot too.

I can't imagine sitting there week after week listening to these moronic statements from deluded Dave.

So…now, “Now when they shall fall, they shall be helped with a little help…[Now we start to move into the modern time.]…but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.” (vs. 34). Hmm, now that’s interesting. Now that’s always been the truth of the Church. We have people who come among us and they’re no more converted than carpet, not because they’re tares, that haven’t arrived yet…The wheat and tares is the time of the Kingdom…but they’re just flatterers.

They say the right things, and behind the scenes they’re smoking pot, and then they don’t want to be here 12 weeks later, you see? They’re just gone. Or they shack up or they do all kinds of things…the way maybe many of you did, but when you came you were serious and you changed. So don’t throw stones…

Dave Pack: Wild Times Are Ahead For RCG

Dave Pack anticipates 2,000 families will soon be pounding on his door in order to join his superfantabulous church. Then he admits 12 weeks later most will leave.  Once they find out how whacky his beliefs are and how much money they will need to fork over, they will flee for the exits.

You know, we’re coming up on 150 million items distributed and we’re about…I mean, we’re starting to take off again. You can imagine with our budget. And staggering numbers…I would anticipate within two, three, four months at the most, over 2,000 households are going to ask to come to church. An awful lot of them are going to be they stay 12 weeks or they don’t come at all, the vast majority. Low, single digits will be the only ones that come and then how many even stay? I understand all that. We’ve talked about that before, but the point is—you’ve got to understand—it’s going to be wild.

The Manipulative Way Dave Pack Controls His Members

This one little paragraph buried in Dave's sermon explains everything about Dave's manipulation of his members. Dave is the final authority on everything.  Do not question him. To do so is to deny the gospel and proves you have no faith.  To deny Dave's abilities means you deny the Bible. When you do that, then you have no chance of salvation.

I said I’d, earlier, ask again when do you want to escape? In which phase? I’m not speaking now about selling all, I’m just generally speaking now. I warn us all to be careful. Don’t adopt a backup plan. It’s my job to teach you there are different phases. But why on Earth, if you’re going to have to do the same things eventually, wouldn’t you do them early? You must obey the gospel. You must live by faith. Why would anyone risk everything waiting for a later phase so they can punish themselves?…

United Church of God and LifeNets

One of the ongoing issues that has continually resurfaced in the United Church of God is its ties to Vic Kubik's Lifenets charity that he runs and takes the glory for.  United has had its own arm called "Good Works." Now that Vic is President of UCG, the issue keeps resurfacing.  Vic has the best of both worlds now.  He gets the glory of being in charge of UCG and running his own charity using UCG members as a donor base.

UCG members and elders have asked why.  You can watch a video here UCG and LifeNets of the meeting where this is discussed.

It is interesting to see how they scramble to justify the unholy marriage of UCG and LifeNets.

In 2016 I posted this about UCG and LifeNets:  Vic Kubik's LifeNets Church of God

Many in UCG have always felt large discomfort with the blurring of the lines of UCG with LifeNets, the pet "ministry" of Vic Kubik.  Many question the man running two organizations that are suppose to be separate, but are they really?  LifeNets presents itself as a "humanitarian organization" to woo in the public while failing to disclose it is a Church of God related tool to encourage people to come over to the dark side.  Is Kubik and UCG too embarrassed to to say UCG is behind it and that it is a recruitment tool for  its "god", much like HWA started Ambassador Foundation because he was too embarrassed to say he represented the Worldwide Church of God?  While it has undeniably done some good, its motives are questionable. 

Those in Australia need to know (as do those in South Africa and most international locations) that their ‘church’ is not really an extension of the UCG in the USA — instead they are what Cincinnati calls the “LifeNets” churches –they are not funded by UCG any longer, have to be self-sufficient, and Kubik travels to them on LifeNets funds, not UCG money. This is why the moment the “airy” sermon is over, Kubik launches into a 45-minute LifeNets presentation to the congregation. Legally he has to do this because he is on LifeNets money which is being audited. The members are not in a Church, they are just laborers in a commercial LifeNets exercise, even thought they don’t know it. Council members who did not want Kubik as president (took the most re-balloting ever ) finally acquiesced over the information that it would save UCG money since Kubik was the only only one who could travel internationally on another budget (namely his private Corporation Sole LifeNets, which has made him the wealthiest Council member, and which he built in competition with the Good Works program, since that one wasn’t going to earn him anything personally). 

And yes, we are all supposed to give up our various ‘cultural backgrounds’ to put on the culture of Christ, but this man Kubik still can’t disconnect himself from a Ukrainian village he has never really lived in, now bending the truth to accommodate a small Pentecostal and trinitarian group there that clearly for over 20 years has shown no interest in joining with UCG. But,like the populism of Brexit and Trump, it’s beginning to all blow up: we have what we call the “parking lot church” in our congregation — it’s about what is said when everyone goes to their cars so the minister can’t hear them, and it’s about 50% of the congregation now that meets this way — outside. The moment someone stands up with some integrity and calls UCG out on all of this, the following is in place and ready to move.

In 2015 we had this up:  UCG: With Income Above Normal, Home Office Takes Money From "Charity" For Poor Africans To Build Play Set For Privileged HQ Children

But it also included this, which has irritated a LOT of UCG members in the Cincinnati area and around the country.

Home Office Grounds: A new playset for children was put up on our grounds. It was largely financed by LifeNets.

UCG members are asking WHY it is that UCG had to take money from Vic Kubik's "charity", that is supposed to be helping the poor and destitute in Africa and elsewhere, to install a play set that UCG SHOULD have done on their own.  With income coming in at more than they expected this year, members are wondering why a thousand or so dollars could not have been spent on this playset.  A playset that only the children of the privileged  UCG employees and some few members will get to use.  God forbid of the unwashed children of the Cincinnati area played on it!

This also has led to more grumbling from UCG members as to why Vic Kubik is running his "charity" LifeNets while being President of the UCG.  Many see this as a deep conflict of interest especially when UCG tries to guilt trip members into donating to Vic's pet cause.  A cause that gives the impression to the world that it is a charity for ALL in need, but in reality it is geared towards UCG members in poor countries and some non-aligned sabbatarian groups in Eastern Europe.  A few good works do go towards those outside the small sabbatarian world, but its main focus is inward.  Many UCG members feel that he needs to resign from either LifeNets or the presidency position.

Apparently a play set for the privileged elite at HQ was more important than clean drinking water or life saving mosquito nets for the disenfranchised in Africa.  Jesus must be pleased. Privilege does have it rewards!

Dave Pack: There are bastards in the church

“If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons: for what son is he whom the father chastens not?” (vs. 7). Welcome to Christianity if you’re feeling chastening. “But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers…[One way or another, God has to get us ready. The faster and the better you learn, the stronger your conviction, then good. But if you don’t]…then are you bastards, and not sons” (vs. 8).

We don’t have to call anybody bastards; but there are bastards in the Church. At some point, they’ll reveal themselves, and in the sense of what God says, you’ll literally say, “You’re a bastard.” Now today, people say, “You bastard!” or whatever they say. You know what I mean. A bastard is just somebody illegitimate. But…you’re illegitimate, you came in here as My son, and I chastened you and you wouldn’t take it. And I’ll say this, for the first phase of the fire…here’s what God will say to him—“You bastard. Get out.” And then it won’t be cursing.

“If you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons…” and then it talks about, our fathers did it when we were kids: “For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure [and so forth]” (vs. 9).

Now, verse 11: “Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto to them which are exercised thereby.” There are going to be some people who can’t take it and it’s going to feel unfair—“This is incredibly hard!”—when this monster comes at them personally. And maybe they watch their wife killed. WOW! Or their husband killed, or however it goes. “This isn’t right!” There are people…The clay starts, you know, talking to the Potter about how He should have done it differently. Be careful…

Dave Pack: I Am So Hot I Am About To Go Viral!

Superfantabulous Dave and the greatest side show on earth today.  No COG minister has ever understood the Bible more completely than Dave does.  More importantly, Dave is the ONLY person alive on the earth today who understands the ANTICHRIST!  He is soooooo amazing that he and his message are about to go viral.  The entire world will soon take notice of him and the Restored Church of God. Wadsworth will have a celebrity in their midst!  How awesome is that!!!!

And I’m going to say what Paul did—because I know what Paul believed was right, in the wrong time setting. I look out and see wars, rumors, commotions of all kinds and I know time is close! And it is my job to proclaim it, because nobody understands Habakkuk or all of the verses. Have you heard anyone else on Earth explain the Antichrist? This horrific monster—no one understands him. One man read plain on the tables—that’s the reading part—and I rushed, I literally preached it at the conference over a year ago, the day I discovered it. And of course, I discovered much, much more and presented it to the Church the day before Pentecost a year ago.

I proclaimed it! And I’ve been doing it and you’re going to find hundreds and hundreds of thousands and millions of people are going to watch this. At some point, it’s going to go viral. We had more good financial news this month, without getting into it, besides the Pentecost offering. That’s not the only good thing that’s happened and we’re only on the 10^th of the month. And a lot of it happened before anybody even heard last week’s sermon, never mind this week.

You know, there’s an old saying, “Go big or stay home.” We’re going big—because we’re not staying home. This thing is ON and as a result, we’re going to proclaim it as loud as we can, but it’s going to get hot and some could be tempted to draw back. The context is it’s going to get hotter and hotter. So, as a result of getting hotter and hotter do you want to draw back so you can get thrown into a fiery furnace, which is the Man of Sin arriving, or the relatively moderate heat…it’s going to be hot for us; it’s going to get hot now, you see? So I leave you to think about this. These are powerful points to understand.

Dave Pack The Bully

We have all witnessed over the years the intense bullying that Dave Pack does towards all those under his command.  From the church members who suffered under him in Akron and other cities where he kept getting transferred, to his members, employees, and ministers of his new superfantabulous Restored Church of God.

We have watched over the years as his group of 16 men from his headquarters rubber stamp all of his actions and prophecies.  None of these men have the testicular fortitude to speak up and confront his lies and abuse.  They sit there and watch members ruin their lives selling homes and possessions in order to send Dave their money.  They sit there as Dave wrecks families and marriages.  They are men with no integrity, ethics, or morals.  They are all spiritually bankrupt.

Pack has on occasion voluntold his minister to receive pay cuts, then tell the Church they are of one heart and mind and are willing to take pay cuts, to disagree means your out of a job. 

Meanwhile, those same ministers afraid to protest the pay cuts, are already struggling to take care of their families. They are endeared to this man. They fear to lose their Jobs as they have already given much up and if they disagree they fear their good character/Personality traits which are all they have left will be completely bashed to the entire church by Pack.  

Pack has laid off huge numbers who sold houses and assets to move and work for the HQ. These people have nothing to go back to, not even family who they completely shrugged off thinking they'd work at HQ until the return of Christ and fix family issues later when their minds would be opened to the truth.  

He personally bullies his ministers and criticizes them for having fine things, especially if he does not have them. He bashes them for having excess. When in reality anything that they get for themselves is not excess but a much-deserved treat considering the huge pay cuts. 

These ministers are not motivated by love to take care of the flock, they are moved by fear of man to correct and keep in line the people.  

If you so much as act like a Berean and at some point question his preachings even as a minister you will see the worst side of him. He occassionaly boasts to the entire church that all of the minister agree with dates he sets or phrophecies he unlocks. He never apologizes for error because to apologize means that he gives people the power to discredit him.
August 25, 2017 at 10:53 AM

Dave Pack: I truly fear for those who don’t sell all that they have. You can’t play games!

Dave Pack needs your retirement money, your IRA, your investments, the money from selling your home, your business, your vehicles, your personal property, and more.  It is all God's Dave's money, anyway.

The book of Revelation…Daniel is unsealed at the time of the end. We actually started unsealing the book over a year before that, 13 months before that. So one of the things I always wondered about…Wait a minute now, Daniel 12:9 and 10 show the book is unsealed, immediately there’s the fire. How many times you heard me say that over and over…there appears to be no gap. Now I understand there is no gap. As a matter of fact, before we finished…because we’re not quite done, even yet…before we finished the unsealing of Daniel, God began to test us.

When you announce this monster’s coming, we’re going to look like lunatics. Nobody believes that! Even the people who believe there’s an Antichrist at all. They’re going to mock and scorn, and it’s going to get hot. And as we throw fuel on the fire and the flames get bigger, you’re going to feel the heat before anybody else does. But the big flames come later, after we don’t feel any more heat at all because we escape. That’s the way it works. You can’t possibly announce this monster, at any powerful level, without taking heat! You know the term: You’re going to “take heat” for that. Well, it’s going to be literal heat in a way. Now, I know it’s figurative heat; it won’t feel like the temperature went up outside. So I would leave you to understand that.

Turn over to Luke 12. Luke chapter 12…and we’ll pick it up in verse 32. Finally, I understand this, Luke 12:32: “Fear not little flock….” Now, Christ tells…speaks generally to all his servants…don’t be terrified and don’t be troubled, but here it’s phobeō—don’t fear little flock. How many times have you heard me…The ministers must have almost gotten bored, if you will, at how many times that…there’s something there. Is it just wars, rumors and commotions? Maybe. Maybe. But what else? Just actual fear: “…little flock…[it’s] your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom” and then three things are said, in context.

Of all the things Christians are to do, it says, first, in two long verses actually: “…Sell that you have, and give alms…[Now, I’m going to be a little stronger about this.]…provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that fails not, where no thief approaches…[There’s a thief coming! How many thieves do we need to read about in the Bible? There aren’t that many!]…neither moth corrupt. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also” (vs. 33-34)……

There are four things: Fear not; sell all; keep your loins girded, and your lights burning. And the “early birds” do this first. I’m going to show you that everyone who comes back into the flock, into the sanctuary, has got to do this as well, but in a different context. So you’ve got to do it, the question is: How hot do you want it to get?! How many phases of the fire do you want to go before you have to do it? Because you can’t be saved—what must I do to inherit eternal life? Matthew 19. You’ve got to do that. Some of you have already done it.

I just want to take a moment here, because we’ll just dwell on this. I normally don’t. I give it a “lick and a promise,” a sentence here, a sentence there, but I truly fear…I truly fear for those who don’t sell all that they have. You can’t play games! And now you know it isn’t, you can sort of play games—you’re going to be forced to make a decision—I will…or I will not…obey that command found all the way through the New Testament and sent out in articles. That’s the fuel for the fire.

You can begin to understand, if people begin to delay, God might, for a little while, hesitate because not enough fuel hit the fire, or maybe they’re not, for some other reasons, ready. And it may hesitate, not of what God decides, but on what we do, what we decide. So “if it hesitate” makes perfect sense. It depends on what we’re going to do. I could never get comfortable…What would God do to hesitate? Is the world not ready or something? What?

If we’re announcing it and we’ve been announcing it, and picking up speed, and we’re about to juice it—tomorrow—and I’m telling you today, which is a day before for you and six days later for others…We’re going to start to turn it up, to the ability that we can. 

Dave Pack: I Was Such A Good Minister That I Led 15,000 Out Of Apostate WCG

Superfantabulous Dave, not a humble bone in his body. His awesome tapes led 15,000 out of WCG and eventually 100,000, or so he claims.  The funny thing about Dave during all of the changes, his name was never mentioned in Pasadena.  The talk was about UCG forming, not Dave.  Dave was irrelevant.

Now, maybe the day…If you wanted to make a comparison…Because I’ve long believed…Over the year since I introduced the Man of Sin, I’ve long believed, now, that the leader of the Worldwide Church of God was a type. But he stood up on December 31, 1994…Here’s what he did…in Atlanta and he gave a sermon…I got the tape, transcribed it—the whole thing…and he said, “The Law’s done away; the Sabbath’s done away; the Holy Days are done away; tithing, clean and unclean meats…it’s all gone. It’s all Old Testament.” Everything—gone.

And within about four months, 25,000…23,000, something like that, had gone with United. It dwindled down later. More thousands came with Global, where I was. I was very involved. I helped about 15,000 families get out of Worldwide, with my tapes. And basically, over the next months, about 100,000 people, and eventually it way above that, left the Worldwide Church of God. That’s almost like the Abomination sat in the temple on December 31, 1994. I’m just giving you a kind of rhetorical parallel. It wasn’t some absolute biblical type that I know of, but boy, there were a lot of parallels.

Dave Pack: God would have to send a final, analytical servant. That’s yours truly, the son of Jane Crowl Pack.

Now look at Revelation 22 and verse 6. At the end of the book, and this is what you’re stuck with…Brethren of God, around the world, I fear God. We are before His Word, and Isaiah 66: 2 says we had better tremble. God looks to people that are poor and of a contrite spirit, and tremble at His Word. I tremble to add or subtract from a book that says I get it…I get the plagues or I lose eternal life, if I add to it, particularly, I guess you’d add, if you needed to, and He said these sayings are faithful and true. But there has to be a way they’re true.

God would have to send a final, analytical servant. That’s yours truly, the son of Jane Crowl Pack. If you were my mother’s son, you are not allowed to dis-analyze or ignore analyzing anything! My mother picked my logic to pieces from the time I could say “Mommy, please, I want to go play ball.” You see…I’m telling you. And so, I sit and analyze and analyze and analyze and it just doesn’t fit. The book just didn’t fit. I’m the same analyst I was years ago. I mean, there are qualities that all of you have that I don’t have. I envy some of you. Mr. Armstrong had qualities I don’t have.

But I am an analyst in the extreme, like no one I ever knew in this regard. I mean, I beat the Greek up and beat the Hebrew up, and timelines…and work and work and work and work at all the unexplained questions, whether we knew them or didn’t. And there has to be a way that things that were going to happen shortly…are shortly. And that’s impossible to say it’s true—and I don’t fear to say that. I do not fear to say that it’s impossible to say that things that were written 2,000 years ago are at hand.

Dave Pack: When Jesus Returns He Will Be A Human And Will Be So Busy He Won't Have Time To Watch Cable TV

When Dave Pack's "jesus" returns for the second half of the 3 1/2 years, it will come back as a man - while Dave and his crew of merry members will have glorified bodies and be ruling over five to ten cities.  Oh, and his "jesus" is NOT watching cable TV at this time.

Now, something else that’s very exciting. I’ve just never had a natural time to be able to fit it in and talk about it. There’s two things that I want to make clear here. When Christ came the first three-and-a-half years and He confirmed…began to confirm the covenant of a seven-year week…We all know the other three-and-a-half years is still to go…He was out in Judea and Galilee, sometimes leading, or sometimes with, or sometimes trailing the disciples, Himself. So the natural question all of you have should be, “Well, what is Christ going to do during this three-and-a-half years? Is there any indication of what Christ is going to do?”

Well, the first indication you have is He’s going to do the second half of a week that likely looks an awful lot like the first half. I can prove to you that one of the reasons Jesus Christ comes back as a man…And this is going to apply to all of you who have glorious bodies…is Christ, Himself, is going to move through the cities of Israel and work with people face-to-face, and they’re going to treat Him, in some cases, exactly as they did the first time. I’ll show you that. So He’s not going to sit in Zion, you know, watching cable television. He’s going to be out and about. Those of you who, of course, receive salvation in the little flock, you’re over five or ten cities, but you’re not in some kind of heavenly hammock swinging over the cities. You’re down on the ground working with teams of two under you in large areas. But Christ is going to be on the ground, too.

Dave Pack: Animals Do Filthy Things

Dave Pack has issues with big bad meanie animals.

“Abomination” means “filthy.” God is going to put a filthy man and a filthy the system into the Church and see how many people want to follow. That’s what abomination means. In the New Testament, the Greek is “detestable;” here, it’s “filthy”—the astonishing filth that is coming into the Church. And God wants to see how many want to go back and wallow in the mire—that’s filth—and how many want to go back and eat their vomit—that’s filthy.

Animals do filthy things. I had dogs and cats, and I watched my dogs…a big dog and a little dog…I watched a big dog do something to a little dog you wouldn’t even believe, and…as a kid, I couldn’t even believe it. And I won’t even tell you what it is. It would turn your stomach. But what dogs and pigs will do is unbelievable. And they can be very violent, by the way. People are killed, because of what dogs do, and every single year, in the United States, multiple farmers died, because they got on the wrong side of sow who was angry and felt threatened, and killed them. When a 600-pound angry sow comes after you and you’re trying to get out of the muck, you don’t escape. So, there’s another side of it besides the filth; in many cases, it’s death. So, that’s a fascinating element, if that’s the right word, fascinating. I mean, it hardly is, but you can see the connection.

Felon and False Prophet Ron Weinland Struggling to Maintain Control As Members Leave And Speak Out

Ever since Ron Weinland made his prophecy that failed in 2008, he has been steadily losing members.  The exodus quickly sped up once he was imprisoned for 3 1/2 years and his crazy wife and money laundering daughter took over and started preaching.  Now that the felonious false prophet is out of jail, he has been making the rounds of his dwindling churches.  His latest live broadcast of his sermon only garnered 190 people.

More and more members are exiting and publicly ridiculing the moron.  Here is one such person:

Enough is Enough says:

August 18, 2017 at 19:47

I have a message for you ronald william miller weinland.

You were, at one time, a darkness surrounding my spiritual life and I now rejoice that your shadow of darkness and evil is no longer in my world. My world is now bright and beautiful since the moment I rejected you and cast you to the ground!! You are a dark and evil element that is destructive to any who come near you.

In my eyes, your life is meaningless and will end in disgrace and failure. You are a liar and deceiver and will pay that price at the end of your pitiful and decaying life. Your time is short weinland!! Your “Great Disappointment of June 9, 2019” is the approaching storm that will end it all for you. As of now, you are naked before the world because of all of your lies and deceit – you are now exposed –

You are a curse to yourself and those you have taken advantage of over the years. Destroyed marriages, financial ruin to innocent people for all of the deceit and lies that you spewed prior to May 2012. And yet you still are lying and stealing from any who will listen to you. You will curse the day of June 9, 2019!!! It will be a day of reckoning for you weinland!!! A day I look forward to and I will see justice for all of the arrogance by you and your twisted wife. My stomach churns at the claim of you two as being the “chosen ones” of these times!! I have a clear view of you and it sicken me to think that the both of you have the gull to claim such a thing!!! The two of are nothing more than human debris. 

The mere though of you and your wife is vomit in my mouth!!