This is from a source that seeks to remain anonymous and knows a lot about Bob Thiel's Feast sites and member attendance in Africa.
I couldn't help but report on Bob Thiels Continuing Church of God in my travels to visit Church of God Congregations in Africa, especially Malawi. I expected to see vast numbers of CCOG there but was utterly astonished to see nothing on the ground, especially in Migow and surrounding areas.I've seen reports on Thiel's website claiming 4-5 thousand in Malawi, this is simply not true.I've questioned locals and they all report the same thing, they only have seen this year at Migowi maybe 100 or so people who showed up at Radson Molowzoa's Church during this Feast and I think left only after a day or two.I also visited my local congregation in Zomba, and I heard a very disturbing story about Pastor Radson Molowza who was traveling slowly around Zomba with a big cow in tow, promising villagers all the food they want if they come to the Feast of CCOG.I don't know what kind of game Bob Thiel is playing in Africa, but it is sadly all a lie.I've been in Africa now going on 25 years, and I know how the Africans scam the Churches of God. You really have to be on the ground here to know what is going on.The only really good reports I heard about in Malawi concerning the CCOG is a man by, I think, the name of Sosten whom the people say mainly good things about him and that he cares for them, unlike Radson. Many people have told me Sosten started years ago but was disfellowshipped because of adultery and money skimming. I am not surprised by that, as it takes a real converted African man to be loyal to his wife.I checked out Bob Thiel's sermon on Church Government and Corruption, where he does mention a Minister in Malawi before Radson, who was let go for adultery and money skimming, so I believe this is true.During this Holy Day Season, I've been surprised at this Church of God group called Hope of Israel, everywhere I go, people are praising them and saying how good they are, and it's been reported that their Feast site in Mulange and Zomba had daily numbers of around 2000 persons. Reports in Mozambique, where I'll be traveling tomorrow, attendance was around 400 plus. To do that with current food prices and transportation costs, they must know what they're doing.Anyway, I think the local media was involved in attending their Feast sites and was impressed with the thousands that attended. Sadly CCOG doesn't have thousands in Malawi as Thiel states a few hundred in Sostens church of God. Also confusing to me and other persons here is that Thiel claims Radson is in charge of Malawi and also maybe Sosten. People here are confused about what is going on.In our Church of God here in Africa, though small compared to other Churches of God, I and other people outside come here periodically to make sure proper records are kept, especially tithing records, church property, and reports coming in on our ministers. Thiel should do his own private investigations, but what happens if he finds out he was conned big time in Africa, will he bury it or come clean!!!! Only time will tell.
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Wow, finally some other church of God members are finally checking out Thiel's delusions of Grandure, as the late Rod Meredith pointed out. I must find out who this anonymous person is, please contact me at vitalogydoc@gmail.com. Anonymous person, do you know Foster Abram or have any information on Radsons current wife, which Thiel claims is Radsons cousin. Please contact me ASAP. Thanks Terry Nelson
The Major Butthurt is coming, I wonder how Bob is going to spin this. Did anyone think it was strange that Radsons photo of his Feast site only shows maybe 50 people? You would think that Bob would be embarrassed to show such a picture if he's claiming all these thousands. He really must be under a Witch doctors spell. I mean those photos, where's at least 2, 000 persons? What a joke, $10,000 plus tithe money going to Conn Men every month? Bob you should spend that Money on your Family and give it to Poor USA Brethren, shame on you!!!!
Hi Bob đź‘‹, I'm proud of you putting the Squeeze on the sheepie Brethren, making them pay all 3 tithes, in supporting fake members in Africa.. Job well done my apprentice. Hereby you shall now be called Darth Bobbaflappy, use your powers to get more sucker's to believe the one true Elijah , which you have desired for so long
So Bob's website was misleading about the feast of Tabernacles attendance. He probably felt justified doing so since Herb his hero was notorious for padding the membership numbers, worldwide feast attendance and the number of people reading his Plain Truth magazine.
Pastor Radson Molowza... traveling slowly around Zomba with a big cow in tow, promising villagers all the food they want if they come to the Feast of CCOG.
This sounds a bit like what COGWA faced in Ivory Coast during the spring.
Joel Meeker reported in May that a large number of members in part of that country left "to follow men from a different association who offered them money and motorcycles."
Apparently all the veteran baptized members left. A group of non-baptized members decided to stay loyal to COGWA. Make of that what you will.
Bob posted pictures of a few of his Feast gathering photos, and NONE of them had 2,000 people in them. If he had that large of a gathering, you could be guaranteed he would have blasted that photo into outer space as proof of how amazing his church is. He did not post such a picture because his story is not true. Many of his so-called followers are there for the free food being offered. It is easy to sit through a butt-numbing sermon for a plate of free food.
I remember Ray Clore telling me a story years ago when he was an elder with Rod Meredith's church. Clore, as many of you know, was an employee of the diplomatic foreign service in the US Department of State. He was posted in various locations around the world during his career, many of them hardship locations.
Anyway, as his story goes, he was posted somewhere in western Africa (Cameroon I think?) and met a former Catholic nun who was American. She had traveled to Cameroon years earlier to proselytize her Catholic faith by teaching basic life skills intertwined with Catholic ritual and customs. Her assignment was indeed quite challening. The particular tribe she served had a lot of customs counterproductive to good health or longevity, including a tradition where they smeared feces across the reproductive organs of mothers who had just given birth. Yes, really. I do not know if it was human feces or animal feces but it was feces nonetheless.
This nun, according to Clore, lived with this tribe nonstop for a decade. She never left for vacation, never left to visit family, never traveled. Eventually she got them to abandon this particular birthing tradition after YEARS of trying to convince them its effects on maternal mortality. One day the nun's mother passed away so she decided to return home for the funeral.
I will pause here, for anyone who has ever spent any time in Africa knows exactly how this story is going to end.....
The nun was gone for two weeks. When she returned, she discovered the tribe had reverted to all of the bad habits and customs she had weaned them away from for the past decade. The nun was so disillusioned and bitter after seeing a decade of her life wiped away in two weeks that she renounced her vows and joined the CIA.
And that, folks, is how Africa works.
Many have Chastised me for publicly posting here on Banned; i did it because Sasha and me and my Son were being branded as Talebarers by Bob Thiel. All of our Friends in the USA that attend with CCOG should stop and realize that this is the last thing we wanted to do; We represented CCOG in Africa- We trusted Bob Thiel- we were sacrificed to promote his Pipe Dream of the Fastest Growing Church of God in History; We were Sacrificed because we told him the Truth what was really going on in Africa- We pleaded with Dr Bob Thiel with in your face Evidence, Official Government Documents, Pictures, Written and Video Testimony from within CCOG and Outside Wittnesses, all this for almost a Year!!!!! We concluded that either Bob Thiel was under Satanic influence or has Serious Mental troubles with Delusional thinking as the late Rod Meredith pointed out. Sadly Bob Thiel is exactly like Rod Meredith described him in Rods letter to Dr Thiel. DR Bob Thiel rejected Church Government and decided to leave LCG and start CCOG based on the idea that they must recognize him as a Prophet and that he has this Knowledge on anything Biblical and to disagree with him marks the other Persons as Non-Philadelphian. Hopefully Dr Thiel will take to Heart Rod Merediths advice and repent of trying to be some great one in the Church of God. Finally and hopefully more Persons besides Me and the late Sasha Veljic will investigate Thiel's claims in Africa and demand Transparency and Accountability. Dr Thiel needs to accept the Reality of his African Pipe Dream of a fake 10,000 member numbers scam and more importantly his Delusional Thinking about being a Prophet as was pointed out by the late RODERICK C. MEREDITH. I Know Dr Bob Thiel in Written statements says he recognizes the importance of a Council of Elders , as he states HEBERT W. ARMSTRONG Used that Style of Government in the CHURCH; HE claims he takes advice from other leaders in Various Churches of God. If this is true and he believes this.; I encourage him to seek a Council of Elders with all the Evidence i gave him on Kenya and Malawi and see what they recommend he do; if he does this, maybe he will wake up before it's to late and stop financing a Lie and giving God's Money over to corruption and more importantly repent of thinking and demanding persons in the Church of god recognize him as a Prophet. All of you members in the CCOG must really think, if all this in Africa Is finally revealed, what does this Make Dr Bob Thiel? Will you then keep financing a lie and a Man that claims to be a Prophet? God help you all to Wake Up!!!!!
And that folk, is how Africa works.
This is why I question the church teaching that resurrected people from previous generations will have about one hundred years to qualify for the kingdom. I know many people who operate at the level of a young teenager and are not in the least interested in self improvement. Mental heavy lifting is foreign to these people. 1Peter 4:18 teaches that the righteous are scarcely saved. If the hardworking, teachable just make it in their allocated time, how will these "teenagers" fare? I think they will need more than one hundred years.
Well, Terry, he seems to be very similar in mental makeup to the Africans in the CIA Nun story just above your post with one dramatic exception! The feces he spreads are spiritual feces!
There are very sizeable groups keeping the ‘Feast’ globally who are not in anyway associated with the Armstrong movement. Or have heard of it. And across the Christian spectrum. Their numbers dwarf the Armstrong remains. Wonderful to see and there is no doubt an awakening within the Christian world, to the riches to be found with the observance of days that point to our Lord and His return. Many of the messages heard were uplifting and quite remarkable in their depth and understanding and are available online. There was a time when many of us thought we alone, in our arrogance or naivety had access to such treasures lol.
What's this I'm reading about Bob Thiel giving away free motorcycles in Africa???
BB
Just this week I read that it is recommended for cesarean born babies to get them in touch with feces real soon, which will further their health for the rest of their lives.
Expect COG philosophy to blossom in Africa. Since 7th day Adventism is growing there by the millions, so the rate of disgruntled 7th days must increase too.....
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"I don't know what kind of game Bob Thiel is playing in Africa, but it is sadly all a lie. " I'm shocked, shocked, I say, that lying by church leaders is taking place.
Even if true, forget about Thiel's free motorcycles. The quality of these bikes in third world countries is much lower than in Europe or North America. This makes economic sense since bike repair is cheap in poor countries, with even "repair shops" on footpaths being common. But in the developed countries, repair/maintenance costs are expensive, so initial high quality is practical.
Don't know if it was Bob Thiel or someone else. The Joel Meeker video didn't name the "different association."
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