Friday, September 13, 2013

Why Does The COG Continue To Allow False Prophets In Their Midst?

The All About Armstrongism has an excellent blog entry today asking why it is that COG members continue to allow lying false prophets in their midst. Men like David C. Pack, Ron Weinland and Gerald Flurry, lie through their teeth with one false prophecy after another and yet the sheeple continue to support them.  Why?
And then there’s what happens when the prophecies completely fail. You would expect from Christian people a certain respect of what God says about false prophets. You would expect from Christian people to be intolerant of proven falsehoods. You would expect them to immediately withdraw from those who speak things that don’t come true in God’s name. You would expect Christian people to get as far away as possible from those that meet the criteria of a false prophet. But the reality is, there is little respect for God’s opinion in the COG’s when it comes to false prophecy and false prophets. Nearly every time, the prophecy and the prophet are excused by COG members – even when the false teacher’s own words condemn themselves as a false prophet. Then the “everybody makes mistakes”, “errors happen”. and excuses start up as the false prophet blasts excuses, clarifications, rewrites and reboots. And what do the members do? They excuse the person and fall for the reboot all over again, just to have it fail again, and again, and again.

They have no problems giving mainstream Christian leaders every judgement in the book as to what they are doing wrong, how they are doing it wrong, where they are weak, in error, in confusion, or just plain wrong – and every vile thing they have self-righteously judged others on – but when there’s something going on as serious as accepting false prophets and false prophecy when there is clearly no excuse to do so, there’s no fear. There’s no repentance. There’s no respect.

And this to me raises many questions. They claim to take God’s word seriously. But do they? Do they really and honestly? One thing I’ve learned from Armstrongism over decades in the religion is that they only take seriously what they want to take seriously. Armstrongism is a hodgepodge religion full of pickings and choosings, lines upon lines, precepts upon precepts, where certain things are taken VERY seriously, and other things are ignored or completely whitewashed away. Members are used to being told, thus, what is right and what is correct, not by the understanding given by the Holy Spirit to themselves, but by the understanding given to the Apostles then to the ministers and then to the members.

Read the entire post here Why Do COG Members Tolerate Proven False Prophets?


Anonymous said...

Why does anyone do what they do? If we could answer this question we might make some progress on improving human life, but the diversity of human needs and greeds makes a simple answer inpossible.
A. Boocher

Douglas Becker said...

ACoG members: Busted!

Head Usher said...

Excellent point.

In all of Armstrongism, they're following a man. That's how it started and it's no different today. They claim to be christians, but they don't follow Jesus and they ignore plenty of what he said. They prefer to prooftext and cherrypick from the Old Testament anyway. They follow someone else. They do what someone else tells them to do instead. Someone who claims to an "apostle" and to speak for Jesus, even though he contradicts what the bible says Jesus said. But nobody notices, because they don't want to notice. These "apostles" sometimes speak prophecies, which invariably fail. Then they tell you that they're not a false prophet because they're an "apostle," not a "prophet." Well does this god speak to you or not? (Yes!!!) And were you relaying what this god spoke to you? (Yes!!!) And did this god make good on it? (Um, no, but...) Well then, either you're delusional, your god lies, or both. But nobody notices this because they don't want to notice.


Anonymous said...

just because someone stands up and preaches the Sabbath, Holy Days, food laws, etc doesn't mean they are part of The Church.....and just because someone listens to them doesn't mean they are not part of The Church (although if they continue with such a person for very long, one would wonder how much they truly understand).

you folks here do a pretty good job exposing the nutcases out there, but you err by presenting them as part of God's Church....they are just hangers-on, for if they truly understood they wouldn't be doing the things they do.

the Roman Catholics and Protestants are already going down the wrong path, so why wouldn't Satan focus his energy on The Church, sending his "ministers" there to mislead as many as possible?

Byker Bob said...

This is just another one of those inexplicable aspects to the Armstrong movement in general. I've often stated that many of their problems are self-created, stemming from the fact that they do not understand the Holy Spirit (leading to the creation of harsh and intrusive church government), and that they downplay Jesus Christ, supplanting Him instead with their own "apostles". Their treatment of prophecy is another one of those fake and embrace things. It is an attempt to falsify one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and mass or group delusion as to the outcome following failure.

Oddly, the most damning expressions regarding false prophets come from the very part of the Bible which they overemphasize as being the forgotten, the key part of what they say is wrong with mainstream Christianity. To objectively thinking Christians, de facto acceptance of false prophecy and false prophets makes no sense at all, making no sense being something which would instead be expected of a bogus, and somewhat superstitious religious system. To be fair, there are ACOGs which have learned not to dwell on prophecy, and to retreat from Armstrongian church governance, but those who have not tout themselves as being the preservationists, who use their fidelity as evidence that they are the true ones who stick by the faith once delivered by HWA.

Don't expect this to go away any time soon, either. As Armstrongism continues along the death spiral, desperate adherents are going to do more and more desperate things, and will continue to blame God as they fail. It is the only thing they know to do.


Anonymous said...

I believe because prophets are allowed because it's just so darned entertaining

Byker Bob said...

One more thing. Hypocritical aspects: Don't dare lie to your children about Santa Clause. Eliminate all vestiges of past lying witness, such as ancient paganism. But, excuse us for the lack of understanding, or the slow and gradual ways in which God works through "His" ministers and "His" church! As far as other slow and gradual processes such as evolution go, forget about them. That's not the way God works.

The problem is that when you are working with someone's fake crap, like Armstrongism, you constantly need to explain it away! If you question, hold accountable, or don't totally buy in, it is taken as evidence that you are unconverted. So, naturally, all members are going to try to prove they are converted by doting on every false word uttered by their leaders.


Douglas Becker said...

While this sort of devotional delusion happens to such as Scientologists, there is hubris added to the rank bearing false witness, the stench of illegally stealing the heritage of the Jews through British Israelism, the idolatry of worshipping Herbert Armstrong, taking God's Name in vain, the lust of wanting to be special a coveting power over people who annoy you, the murder in the hearts of those who hate people they want killed and conduct their church wars, committing spiritual adultery by giving devotion to The Leader over your spouse and, for many of them, not actually keeping the Sabbath by going out and eating in restaurants (whether it is wrong or not is not he question here, it's the rank hypocrisy).

So here we have the Cult of Herbert Armstrong so comfortable in being members of The Armstrong Mafia as sociopaths having adopted a "conditional conscience" to ignore laws, ethics and morals as it suits the group, insistent upon proselytizing the naïve, stupid and moronic into their delusional perceptions so they will have the support of others. It's entirely selfish, pursued by people who wouldn't have much social contact otherwise and certainly wouldn't choose those people they were with otherwise because the have ABSOLUTELY Nothing in Common with them except folie à plusieurs. These are sick people who can do your mental health absolutely no good and if things go south your life could be threatened (how quickly we forget LCG in 2005).

It's not much a stretch to see Armstrongists as Sabbath keeping Scientologists (replete with an L. Ron Weinland).

The Bible clearly says "from such turn away".

You don't have a leg to stand on.

You Arsestrongists are busted!

Anonymous said...

2Ti 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Jer 5:31
The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

2Pe 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2Pe 2:2
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

2Pe 2:3
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Anonymous said...

Just as rats run to eat rat poison made of 99% food and 1% poison and fall for it. We humans do the same thing, but we cannot worship the Father in the midst of deceit, nor does he accept our offerings. So, people GET OUT from among them! Help the needy instead of a false teacher.

Corky said...

No. They do not take the Bible seriously. Ever since the early church finally figured out that "the end of all things is at hand" needed to be amended to "a thousand years is only one day to God". Because, at that time, it had become obvious to every bishop of the church that Jesus was not coming back - then or ever. But, to keep their jobs as preachers and tithe collectors, they had to keep on keeping on...

Anybody who would take the Bible seriously would also be scared s**tless about the things they do. They would not be able to sleep at night for fear of what was going to happen - at any time! You know...the way they scare the hell out of their kids with this stuff and give them nightmares and psychological problems that lasts a lifetime? Yeah, like that.

A "GOD" is coming and he is really, really pissed off! Does that scare them? It would if they really believed it. Hardly anyone does, not really. If they did, they would be literally shaking in their shoes, too afraid to even breathe wrong.

They say that love casts out this fear but there is no way that anybody can truly love a monster "GOD" who is coming to kill everybody except for the few that believe just the right doctrine and go to the one and only truly true church. Yes, yes, I know that one can say they love this being, entity, ghost or whatever it is but they can't fool it/him/her because it/him/her is omniscient and even sees you when you poop...