Saturday, September 6, 2014

Rod Meredith Tells Younger Members To Work On Their Careers, Get Married And Have Kids Because Jesus Is Not Returning Till 2030

Rod Meredith has spent over six decades making one prophetic utterance after another.  Every single one of them has been a failure.  Now Meredith is looking towards 2030 as the coming of his god.

Meredith feels he is an authority on the subject of prophecy because he learned it all from HWA, Herman Hoeh, Ernest Martin, Charles Dorothy and Robert Kuhn.  Meredith wants you to feel impressed by his declaration he was a "pioneer student at Ambassador College."  All the men he quoted have either rejected their former teachings or made their own long list of failed utterances.  Kuhn and Martin rejected the silliness of Armstrongism so I am surprised he even mentioned them.

Because I have been one of the pioneer students of Ambassador College and of the ministry of this Work under Herbert W. Armstrong, I have been able to know and converse for many hours with nearly all of the leading men who studied prophecy in detail in the early years. I have also read some articles and books on prophecy and biblical chronology by outsiders. Every one of the leading men that I talked to in this Work—including Dr. Herman Hoeh, Dr. Ernest Martin, Dr. Charles Dorothy, Dr. Robert Kuhn and others—have acknowledged that they came to realize during their study of biblical chronology that we could “easily” be 20 or 30 years off in either direction! Therefore, it should be easy to realize that Christ may not come until about 2030ad!
A person would think that after spending 60 some years predicting the eminent return of Jesus Christ that he would stop setting dates since every single one of them has failed.

Several decades and several generations have come and gone and Meredith's predictions have ALL failed.  He assures us though that "this generation will NOT pass away" till Jesus Christ returns.  Of course this is what he has been saying for over 60 years.

Brethren, this same passage of scripture also tells us to “watch” for certain events to occur: “So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place” (vv. 33–34).

Meredith also feels that all of his failed prophecies have not been in vain.  It has been a time for the church members to learn from their experiences.  God delayed his return so they could learn more lessons.
After all, we have been able to go ahead with our lives for these decades. We have had the opportunity to have families and perhaps even grandchildren, to experience wonderful trips and opportunities in life and to learn lessons that we would not have learned if Christ had come 30 or 40 years ago. 
Essentially Meredith is telling his members it is their fault God has not returned and that it is IMPORTANT that they LEARN THEIR LESSON in this situation.  For some reason everything in Armstrongism is a "situation" to be reckoned with.

So, I hope all of us in God’s Church will learn the lessons God intends from this situation: “Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain. You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand” (James 5:7–8). In the following verses of James, we are told to remember the prophets of God who set “an example of suffering and patience” (v. 10). We are told to learn the “perseverance of Job” (v. 11) so that we can understand that the end intended by God is going to work out in a very compassionate and merciful way.

For the sake of our own eternal life, we must heed the lessons of the “ten virgins,” who begin to slumber and sleep before Christ came. For these professing Christians were not zealously involved in serving others, “in doing the Work” and in overcoming their sins. They were not earnestly studying, praying, meditating and fasting to draw close to their Creator and be filled with His Spirit. Therefore, when Christ came—pictured by this parable—they did not have God’s Spirit and were shut out of the wedding, picturing the very Kingdom of God! Jesus then concluded: “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you’” (Matthew 25:11–12).
Then like any good COG failed prophet he has to take the focus off of himself and places it on the membership.  It is up to THEM to reorient themselves into doing a much bigger work by sending in more money.

We, therefore, need to go all out in seeking God and using the time and talents we have right now to assure our place in God’s coming Kingdom and the opportunity we have to truly serve millions as kings and priests during Christ’s reign.
Don't even think about questioning Meredith's latest failure!  Don't even dare!

We must never be involved in “murmuring” and “disputing” and complaining about the fact that Almighty God is giving human beings more time to write the lessons of human suffering and for His own children to “work out” our own salvation before Christ returns. Rather, we must be glad that God has called us now: “Rejoice in the Lord always.
You should immediately fall to your knees and thank God he has given you and the church more time on this earth.  the more time you have the more money you can send in.

Those of us who have been in God’s Church for a long time need to be very gratefulfor all the time we have been given to learn the lessons of life and to serve more during these years God has granted. And we need to zealously use the talents our Father has given us to serve our Creator, to serve our fellow man and to do His Work over the next several years—however long it is until Christ’s feet are again upon this earth!
Those of us who have been part of Armstrongism for a LONG time know that Meredith's mantra has always been, "5 to 15 years."  Sixty some years later and its still the same old thing.

Article here:  Personal: Is Our Lord Delaying His Coming?


Anonymous said...

"Rod Meredith Tells Younger Members To Work On Their Careers, Get Married And Have Kids Because Jesus Is Not Returning Till 2030"

Too bad that HWA did not think of that at the start of his 52 years of wrong date setting. Too bad that RCM spent so many decades saying you'll see these things begin to happen in the next three to five years.

Someone once said that all the prophetic dates that people set will just come and go without anything happening and will just make them look stupid, and that those who persist in setting dates for the end of the age will in the end set a date that is too late.

Now that RCM has switched around and started to say these new things, the end might come before 2030.

Black Ops Mikey said...

God is postponing His death sentence on false prophets, I guess.

Except for Roderick Meredith, who should be quite dead for some time by 2030.

Assistant Deacon said...

What a blatant bunch of excuses and justifications.

Nobody should be grateful for having given slavish devotion to a system of control that robbed them of their minds and spirits for so many decades.

No organization has a right to dominate and control peoples' lives like Armstrongist groups have done, regimenting and regulating almost everything that members do. It's a shameful legacy. And now here RCM is, after decades of error, decades of ordering people around, decades of making people feel like disobedient, rebellious little he is, trying to put a positive spin on things. "Oh, well, we can be grateful for all this extra time that, uh, well, um, WE DECLARED WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY IN JESUS' NAME WOULD NEVER HAPPEN."

I'm sure the families of those LCG members killed in Wisconsin in 2005 are really grateful for all the "extra time" Rod claims God has blessed his people with, so their loved ones could be gunned down by a whacked out member who couldn't take any more of Rod's rants. It's bizarre, pick-and-choose reasoning that ignores reality and replaces it with revisionist history.

I honestly don't know how the men who continue to promote this stuff can show their faces in public.

Allen C. Dexter said...

How about never? For any prophecy to come true, it has to more than the rantings of religious lunatics a concocted Messiah reputable historians took no notice of because he didn't really exist. The story of Jesus is just the reworked story of Horus and several other saviors.

Redfox712 said...

I saw that article myself. It is disgusting how Meredith says he "hoped" that Christ would soon return. This is a lie. He said with absolute conviction that Christ would soon return. He is hiding the truth.

I myself did some of their so-called "Bible Study Course", written by the late John Ogwyn, and Part 2 of Lesson 2 insinuated that Christ would return in 2017. It said that Christ would return after 6000 years and had the reader look at several verses to make you think that time limit would be reached in 2017. I have no doubt they would have changed that "lesson" by now.

I was surprised that Meredith mentioned Garner Ted Armstrong. Meredith was terrible towards him and those who sympathized with him when he was cast out by his father. This is what Meredith wrote while he was head of the ministry in 1979 in the Pastor General's Report. At this time he was trying to purge any sympathizer and told WCG ministers to disfellowship any member who even attended Garner Ted Armstrong's meetings.

"Mr. Armstrong has reminded us again that we are to disfellowship any members who attend GTA's [Garner Ted Armstrong's] campaigns, church services or other meetings. Some of our weaker members apparently do not realize that this man is in direct rebellion against God and His government! We must not allow them, or ourselves, to rationalize about this matter, to try to "help the underdog," or in any other way lend support to one whose gross immorality, whose long standing "play acting" and hypocrisy, and whose direct insubordination to the Government of God has long been and is now a source of confusion and DIVISION among God's people. So, as per Mr. Armstrong's instruction, I charge and exhort every one of you faithful ministers of the living Christ to explain this in no uncertain terms to your members, to warn them about this cause of division and then to disfellowship any who consort with GTA or any of his fellows." (Roderick C. Meredith, Pastor's Report, May 21, 1979, pp. 1-2.)

These words are frightening. It is like a inciting a blood thirsty mob. I shudder to imagine how many terrible things these words inspired.

Byker Bob said...

In 2030, whoever is left from the baby- boomer generation, born the same year as the rebirth of Israel, (see the Olivet discourse) will be 82 years old.

These guys threw some darts back in the late '40s, and apparently most of them pierced Ussher's Chronology. There have been other chronologies, some indicating that absolute 6,000 won't be reached for almost 200 more years. What made them home in on Ussher? I believe he gave them an attainable, plausible hook, and along with it, the sense of urgency needed to leverage members' finances.

Meredith has just shed that hook. You have to wonder what ripples this is going to send through COGdom. Imagine a young PCG couple whom Flurry has forbidden to have children because the end is too soon. If they sign on with Meredith, and have their children, those kids would hypothetically be teenagers by 2030. This later date certainly would be seen as explaining why no splinter yet seems as if they are doing a mighty end-time work. Some of the splinters are the size that WCG was in the late 1950s. This new logic gives them time to reach the explosive growth stage that they anticipate, similar to the 1960s.

Personally, I hope the ACOGs are long gone by 2030 and not messing up any more peoples' lives. Jesus is not going to return because some wannabee guru books an appearance for Him. Massah Herbie already enslaved us with one bogus booking!


EX-RCG said...

Mr. Meredith is the reason I never have attended with LCG. Now, I see I have made the right choice. He is one of the biggest flip-flop COG "leaders" out there.

old EXPCG hag said...

As the World Turns...

Hell-o boys and girls. Welcome to Romper Room. We're going to have a very fun time today. My name is Miss exPCGhag.
I'm picking up my magic mirror now, and OH!, who do I see spinning round and round on this wonderful planet earth that God has created? Why I see Martha from St. Petersburg Georgia, and Billy from Atlanta Georgia, and there's another from Georgia, Susie, Oh my, and there's Batangas? Where the heck is Batangas? Ohh and I see little Rodney Meredith from...Hell, I mean, why yes it most certainly is Hell. Boys and girls have you ever heard of Hell, Earth? No? Well Hell, Earth is where all bad boys and girls end up when they follow false prophets. They follow false prophets to Hell...get it? Now I'm putting down my magic mirror and everyone stand up and let's head on down to Bohemian Grove and worship the great owl god like all the president's do.

Anonymous said...

One thing that is often brought up is that fear is the motivating factor used to control the people in Christianity. This is often true! But do those who suffer emotionally, mentally, and physically understand why they suffer under these controllers’s? While this is a deep subject and cannot be exhausted in comments on a blog there are biblical principles that may be helpful.

One is the fact that human life has been given the freedom of choice. While the Bible reveals a God who is proclaimed as the source of life and everything associated with it; it also reveals that man has been given the freedom of choice. This freedom of choice must be an individual responsibility since there is no way that individuality can be avoided.

Those who set themselves up as God’s representatives are claiming to be god and to yield ourselves to their dominance without understanding the influence God has on the individual will end in disaster. In most cases it can be defined as fear and it is seen as the fear of the Lord, but it is still fear. Today fear is recognized as a killer. It contributes to all types of human problems and should be avoided or eliminated as quickly as possible.

What does the fear of the Lord mean to you and me? The word fear can be used in different ways, but the difference I use is summed up in two words. One is ‘awe’ and the other is ‘respect’. If we see God as the origin of life and everything that exists, it should generate awe and the type of respect that causes us to see everything including, ourselves as an insignificant part of the whole life supporting system. To expand on this a bit; I believe we should recognize that our choices in life should not generate fear nor should they be focused on doing God’s work. Ideally our life should be focused on developing the characteristics that reflect a balanced wholeness that will give purpose to life.
Of course this is just my opinion. AB

Connie Schmidt said...

Wait!!!... Rod Meredith says that Jesus is returning in 2030?

Since RCM is the ultimate "contrarian" indicator,
this actually means that Jesus is returning next month!

Im rushing out the door right now to buy "prepper supplies", and am going on a spiritual fast starting today!

Connie Schmidt said...


Sing to the tune "In The Year 2525" by Zager and Evans

In the year 2025, if Living is still alive...
If the COG can survive, they may find

In the year 2035...
Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lie
Everything you think, do and say
Is dictated from HQ today

In the year 2110
If God's a-coming, He oughta make it by then
Maybe He'll look around Himself and say
"Guess it's time for the Judgement Day"

In the year 2110
God is gonna shake His mighty head
He'll either say, "I'm pleased where the COG has been"
Or tear it down, and start again

In the year 2110
I'm kinda wonderin' if the COG is gonna be alive
They've taken everything the old brethren can give
And ain't put back nothing

Now it's been over one hundred years, the COG members cried a billion tears
For what, they never knew, now the Armstrongist's reigns are through
But through eternal night, the twinkling of starlight
So very far away, maybe it's only yesterday

Connie Schmidt said...

A report from "CAPTAIN OBVIOUS"...

Rod Meredith wrote in his letter to the brethren...

"Therefore, it should be easy to realize that Christ may not come until about 2030ad!...That time has not yet come!"

***AMAZING! - I keep learning incredible truths! To think that today in 2014 that 2030 is not the present and that 2030 has not come yet! Where would I be without such amazing spiritual insight!

Anonymous said...

Rod Meredith said: "...We, therefore, need to go all out in seeking God and using the time and talents we have right now to assure our place in God’s coming Kingdom..."

Rod is still eating that "junk food" with his striving to assure his place in God's Kingdom!

Why do I say that? It's because Rod will never assure his place in God's Kingdom. He cannot qualify for God's Kingdom. SELF cannot do it!

Rod's words also prove to us that He does not believe God's Word where the following shows what God, not SELF, will do to be in God's Kingdom:

"To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved." Ephesians 1:6

Yes, it is God who will make us accepted...not SELF!

And to be in God's Kingdom there will have to be some good works, but not works of SELF!

"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:" Phil 1:6

God won't be waiting for Rod to assure his place one iota. When God works with an individual, that individual becomes the workmanship of God's hands (not SELF) and only God can begin/start that....and perform/finish it.

Rod is lying to us when he says that we need to assure ourselves like Rod thinks he has to assure himself.

What am I saying? Rod and those within his living group do not believe Ephesians 1:6, not Phil 1:6

Nor does Rod Meredith have any part in the following verses:

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Rod assure himSELF? Sorry, but if God does not do what He needs to do by His Spirit, by His power, then it isn't going to happen, but...and time will tell!


Anonymous said...

Allen C. Dexter said...

"How about never? For any prophecy to come true, it has to more than the rantings of religious lunatics a concocted Messiah reputable historians took no notice of because he didn't really exist. The story of Jesus is just the reworked story of Horus and several other saviors."

Read a book called DID JESUS EXIST? by Bart D. Ehrman

Here are some quotes from the book:


"The reality is that whatever else you might think about Jesus, he certainly did exist. That is what this book will set out to demonstrate. I hardly need to stress what I have already intimated: the view that Jesus existed is held by virtually every expert on the planet." (page 4, hardcover)


“I am not a Christian, and I have no interest in promoting a Christian cause or a Christian agenda. I am an agnostic with atheist leanings, and my life and views of the world would be approximately the same whether or not Jesus existed.” (page 5, hardcover)


"The idea that Jesus did not exist is a modern notion. It has no ancient precedents. It was made up in the eighteenth century." (page 96, hardcover)


“Real historians of antiquity are scandalized by such assertions—or they would be if they bothered to read Freke and Gandy's book. The authors provide no evidence for their claims concerning the standard mythology of the godmen. They cite no sources from the ancient world that can be checked. It is not that they have provided an alternative interpretation of the available evidence. They have not even cited the available evidence. And for good reason. No such evidence exists.”

“What, for example, is the proof that Osiris was born on December 25 before three shepherds? Or that he was crucified? And that his death brought atonement for sin? Or that he returned to life on earth by being raised from the dead? In fact, no ancient source says any such thing about Osiris (or about the other gods). But Freke and Gandy claim that this is common knowledge. And they 'prove' it by quoting other writers from the nineteenth and twentieth centuries who said so. But these writers too do not cite any historical evidence. This is all based on assertion, believed by Freke and Gandy simply because they read it somewhere. This is not serious historical scholarship. It is sensationalist writing driven by a desire to sell books.” (page 26, hardcover)


But I personally love the Bible. I read it all the time, in the original Greek and Hebrew; I study it; I teach it. I have done so for over thirty-five years. And I don't plan to stop any time soon. But I don't think the Bible is perfect. Far from it.” (page 36, hardcover)


Anonymous said...

So Flurry demands members stop procreating and Rod demands they start.. now I'm just waiting for Pack to start demanding Prima Nocta.

Anonymous said...

Isn't this great? After helping short-circuit tens of thousands of lives through his assurances starting with the 1950s that the 2nd coming was imminent, now he tells the sheeple that they may have another 15 yrs or so to live a semi-normal life? I well remember his AC harangues---I'm a '72 grad---and am one of many who didn't pursue a real college degree, etc., because I was brainwashed into believing the BS of Rod & Herman & Waterhouse & Herbert. Yep, time was always short. Rod is the only one of that lousy bunch still alive, and he's STILL predicting. I hope no one puts any stock in anything this psycho has to say.