Monday, April 24, 2017

Restored Church of God Members Will Be Worshipped



Restored Church of God members are so superfantabulous that they will be worshipped by those of us that are heretics, those still in other COG's and those of the world,  When Dave's first Jesus returns for the first 1,000 years and before he returns a second time for the millennium, we will all be bowing a the feet of Dave and his membership.  Isn't it great to be an RCG member?
And by the way, just in case you wondered…And this is a bigger subject for another time…when that trial is over, you’re going to be the objects of worship. In the first phase of the Kingdom, while you’re still a human being…Jesus Christ is going to be worshipped and he’s a human being coming as the man called the Branch…they’re going to worship you. Does “worship” mean worship? Well, it’s the exact same word that says, in John 4, we “worship” God in spirit and truth, and every other place you read the word “worship”—which means we’re above angels. We’re a little below Elohiym. We’re above angels, because you do not worship angels, never mind those who are below angels. That should be pretty obvious.
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27 comments:

Byker Bob said...

Glad not to be a part of that, because I sure as hell never want to be worshipped. Mild admiration suits me just fine, if I've done a good job at something.

This is another example of Dave projecting elements of his personality into the beliefs of his church! The man's ego is so insufferable that he actually wants to force his members into participating in the ultimate ego trip. Apparently, he considers that to be a reward, which is very telling indeed. He learned nothing from the saga of the Boanerges Brothers!

BB

Anonymous said...

I endured a long-winded sermon by David Pack in which he boasted about the "work" he was doing and how God was using the RCG in these "last days". I wanted to go up and punch him in the face. That was the last time I attended Sabbath services.

Connie Schmidt said...

My first act of worship for Davey...

(wait for it!)

... BUUURP !!!

DennisCDiehl said...

Is it even normal for a god or a man to even want to be worshipped? Why would I want to be worshipped? What kind of positive ego and needs would I need to have to look forward to being "worshipped"?

I can see Dave wanting to be worshipped, now and forever, but not the average person.

For that matter, why would I want to rule of one, five or ten cities when all I'd want would be to be with close friends in a log home along a river in the mountains?

Very creepy values and needs.

Anonymous said...

Dave Pack, speaking his usual GREAT SWELLING words, is of the spirit of a murmurer, lusting (James 4:5) for SELF, just like other first century individuals:

"These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage." Jude 1:6

Does Dave really want all of that worship admiration?

Dave, if you have the eyes to see this, here is a recommendation for you:

"If thou hast done foolishly in lifting up thyself, or if thou hast thought evil, lay thine hand upon thy mouth."

Will you, Dave, and those you think will be worshipped, heed that advice?

And Jesus Christ won't be reigning on earth during your Mickey Mouse Millennium that others like Meredith, Winnail, Westin, Kubik, Flurry, Malm, Franks, Coulter et al still preach as though y'all were part of some same "Pack" believing that same lie(s).

Time will tell...

John

Anonymous said...

Now it all makes sense! Without directly saying so, ACOG theology teaches that ministers in this age are playing the role that God-beings will play in the Millennium. No wonder they get the big head (or no wonder that people with the big head gravitate toward a role that lets them "play God" over their flocks).

DennisCDiehl said...

"You shall have no other gods before me.."

In the polytheistic context of the day this meant:

"You shall bring no other gods into my presence for I the Lord YOUR god am a jealous god."

The implication, of course, was that there were other gods, accepted just as YHVH was as his portion given him by El to rule over Israel. Chemosh was over the Moabites (Num 21:29) and others over their respective assignments.

"When the Most High (’elyôn) gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated humanity, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of divine beings. For Yahweh’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage."
Deut 32:8-9

It is why the Israelites could not defeat the King of Moab as Chemosh, the god of Moab was in his own turf and stronger than YHVH and Israel.

Just to say that there were many gods in the OT, all wanting power, respect and worship because of their very human like qualities of protecting turf and jealousy.

Sweetblood777 said...

Dave continues to show that his mind is all screwed up. No where in the Bible are human beings worshiped. If angels are not to be worshiped, then how on earth can one think that man should and will be worshiped? Now I know that ignorant men worship others, but this is due to faulty reasoning.

I think that Dave wants himself to be worshiped. as this is the only explanation for his demented thinking.

DennisCDiehl said...

PS Deut 32:8-9 is one of the left over scriptures scholars cannot imagine editors did not notice and remove from the final cut. It's implications are huge and you probably never heard it quoted in a sermon.

nck said...

Dennis.

I am not equipped to engage in this topic in scolarly manner.
Just a few thoughts.

- I think in general important kings or founders of mankind eventually turned/were made into gods.
-Examples are the biblical figures or heroes of Lord Rama and Lord Shiva who of course are mentioned as biblical heroes but in the Indian pantheon emerge as Gods or semi Gods.
-Of course the Norse and Greek Gods have all the traits of human heroes, fallible but heroic nontheless, just like David. By the way, David also later emerges like a mythical hero in the later Arthurian legends perhaps.

Relating to your point. It seems these heroes of old got assigned a portion of the land and turned into Gods.

Then HWA and his "researchers" seemed to have been very close to the original interpretation of "Gods""Heroes, and the destiny of (some) "Man". To be Gods after living a heroic life. (that is not perse a perfect life, although Lord Jesus seems to demand it, the Armstrongite Jesus was at least 50% man that is far more than the Christian Jesus who seemed to be God all the time as I understand.

So
-as Elon Musk says. We are to inherit Mars. (or the planets by definition)
-we are to live eternally (just visit a British aristocratic home with generations of paintings, and they all look the same)
By the way, to live eternally means to live in the NOW. Since all history and future begins in the Present. The present is eternal. So he who lives in the present lives eternally. At the end we will all become proof or evidence of the past.
-Our gene/dna lives on through our children.
-That is the aristocratic view. We are to live forever through the generations.
That is why aristocracy of the mind is the closest thing to becoming God.

To become a true aristocrat one needs to have suffered, have seen death in the eye. To have the means for a certain way of living will perhaps ease that path (perhaps pay for an education), but it is not a preriquisite. Those that died or lived after the Normandy landings are Aristocrats of the mind too, albeit scarred by the experience often.

nck

Hoss said...

I can't imagine anyone thinking, Wow, my COG doesn't teach that! I'm going to join RCG!

Some time in the future:

Mr Pack, it's been a week now and nobody worships me! You said people would worship me!
Dave: I didn't say they'd do it voluntarily!

nck said...

And it just dawned on me that while I mentioned the D-Day people as prime examples of heroes whose virtue will be sung for a thousand years, that the cat picture in the blogposting mentioned the word "overlord", which is of course the name of said operation.

As I said.

Some people will be spoken of like Gods in the future. The rest of us are merely the players on the great Shakesperean stage. It just depends which role one enacts the best and the play is fierce.

Even some government agencies posess the qualities, character, powers, roles, usually ascribed to Gods. Being all powerful, all seeing. I also know of companies being able to make the desert bloom like a rose or multiply food for the poor. (up to 16 bllion)

And I have heard bankers claim "doing the work of God on earth."
Where the money flows the desert blooms.

nck

Black Ops Mikey said...

That picture is bogus.

Cats are much more nuanced than that.

Besides, none of them want to become PUBLIC FIGURES.

Anonymous said...

It's the carrot and stick to the keep members captive in his little church. The stick is the tribulation, and the carrot is being worshipped in the kingdom. All the splinters do it in various degrees, but Dave uses no discretion.
PS God the Father and Christ who have lived trillions of years plus, are worthy of being worshipped. Humans just born into the kingdom are not. They are worthy of honour and respect, but not worship.

Anonymous said...

5.49 AM
Dennis wants to live along a river rather than rule cities. Well, God didn't create you to spend your time playing video games to lounging about in some log cabin. There's millions that need to be taught, and millions of fools who need to be whipped to keep them on the straight and narrow. You were created to be a hard worker, not a permanent retiree.
Christ condemned the rich man who built large barns and retired.

Sweetblood777 said...

Dennis, what is the point about Dt.32:8-9?

I don't see anything unusual about it. Did you type the wrong chapter and verse?

Anonymous said...

Dennis, what translation are you using. It's not in the "accurate" (?) the KJV. Where do you get this stuff?

Floyd 1944 said...

Anon 5:49. "Millions of fools need to be taught". Don't know about millions of fools but there are plenty of people in the ACOG's that don't have a clue about leadership and teaching. If I had to choose between being taught by anon 5:49 or living on a river along with Dennis. Give me the river

Anonymous said...

"I don't see anything unusual about it."

Seems to be that the translators covered up the correct translation? If so, they should be sued. I want my tithe money back for crap like this. This is financial fraud.

Anonymous said...

You were created to be a hard worker, not a permanent retiree. Christ condemned the rich man who built large barns and retired.

Dennis is neither rich or retired.

Retired Prof said...

12:29, if your god didn't create Dennis to spend his time lounging around in some log cabin playing video games, why did he teach human beings how to build log cabins and devise video games? Your god sounds like a slave driving soviet commissar forcing his underlings follow the "give way" to fulfill the party's latest five-year plan. That's the god that HWA urged people to worship and that DCP has distilled into the unholiest sort of tyrant.

Here's some advice. It's unsolicited and therefore offensive--just like your advice to Dennis. Let Dennis worry about his god's plans for his life and let him muddle through the best he can. Meanwhile you go ahead and toil your miserable life away for your tyrannical taskmaster.


Byker Bob said...

I get the prize! Dennis is using the Bible that Jesus and the disciples/apostles used. The Septuagint!

BB

Byker Bob said...

Now, for further edification, you might want to go to www.biblehub.com to learn what the various commentaries have to say about these verses.

BB

DennisCDiehl said...

http://contradictionsinthebible.com/are-yahweh-and-el-the-same-god/

DennisCDiehl said...

Contrary to these biblical traditions that suggest an assimilation between Yahweh and El, there are other passages that seem to indicate that Yahweh was a separate and independent deity within El’s council. Deuteronomy 32:8-9 is one of those rare biblical passages that seemingly preserves a vestige of an earlier period in proto-Israelite religion where El and Yahweh were still depicted as separate deities: Yahweh was merely one of the gods of El’s council! This tradition undeniably comes from older Canaanite lore.

When the Most High (’elyôn) gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated humanity, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of divine beings. For Yahweh’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage.

There are two points to take away from this passage. First, the passage presents an apparently older mythic theme that describes when the divine beings, that is each deity in the divine counsel, were assigned and allotted their own nation. Israel was the nation that Yahweh received. Second, Yahweh received his divine portion, Israel, through an action initiated by the god El, here identifiable through his epithet “the Most High.” In other words, the passage depicts two gods: one, the Most High (El), is seen as assigning nations to the divine beings or gods (the Hebrew word is elohim, plural “gods”) in his council; the other, Yahweh, is depicted as receiving from the first god, the Most High, his particular allotment, namely the people of Israel. Similarly, in another older tradition now preserved in Numbers 21:29, the god Chemosh is assigned to the people of Moab.

http://contradictionsinthebible.com/are-yahweh-and-el-the-same-god/

Anonymous said...

nck, April 25, 2017 at 6:55 AM, you wrote: "...the Armstrongite Jesus was at least 50% man that is far more than the Christian Jesus who seemed to be God all the time as I understand..."

That 50% Armstrongite Jesus is another lie still spewed out by numerous xcogs.

The God all the time Christian Jesus is another lie still spewed out by numerous xcogs.

Whether Jesus was 50% God or 100% God: both are xcog preachings of the spirit of antichrist.

1 John 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is COME IN THE FLESH is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

The human Jesus, who said of Himself He could do nothing, was 100% flesh, blood and bone at birth....just like us. The miracle was all in what God did to that Jesus by the power of His Spirit, but Jesus Christ did "come in the flesh," or else He was not like us.

"But we see Jesus, who WAS MADE a little lower than the angels FOR the suffering of DEATH, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." Hebrews 2:9

Jesus Christ died as a human being.

"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;" Hebrews 2:14

Jesus Christ was a partaker of flesh and blood...the same as us.

:16 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham."

Angels are spirit; Jesus Christ took on the seed of Abraham, who was flesh, blood and bone.

:17 "Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be MADE LIKE UNTO his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people."

If Jesus Christ was not flesh, blood and bone, like us, then that reconciliation of verse 17 would be impossible and the following verse would be a lie and we all will have lived our lives in vain:

"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, NOT IMPUTING their trespasses unto them..." 2 Corinthians 5:19

And Jesus Christ would not be any brother of mine; He would have been some sort of a freak.

The xcog leaders, who still preach Jesus Christ was some percentage of God while living on earth, need to revise their stupid theories...yes, professing leaders like the Meredith, the Winnail, the Flurry, The Franks, the Malm, the Thiel, well, the whole Pack of them.

Will they repent, which just means change?

Time will tell...

John

nck said...

John 7:35

Thanks for clarifying at least one position on the nature of Jesus.
I thought the Christian Jesus was both 100% man and 100% God? But my mind may have been clouded by abberant teaching.

My point was that Dennis by going back to the "very origins" of "God/King/Heroes" as leaders of segments of the Universe he seemed to have traced the very origing of the destiny of man as proclaimed by HWA. That's all.

As BB once remarked. "What if in the afterlife we would all figure out that COG teachings all started with Nimrod?" I think that those teachings at least echo very ancient origins. I am not debating right or wrong. Everyone should figure that out for themselves. (unless they are called of course)

nck