Prophet Thiel is all ticked off today about satan and demons. Particularly when they are attached to astrology and prophecy.
Given the abysmal failure of literally hundreds of failed prophecies in Armstrongism, uttered from HWA down through Meredith, Flurry, Pack, Weinland, Coulter, Cox and others, Thiel fails to pay heed to his own words of warning. How many more lies does Meredith and crew need to utter before he wakes up?
How can you tell whether someone is truly a minister of God, and not someone controlled by the occult world? Deuteronomy gives us a key. “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’; which you have not known; ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice, and you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him” (Deuteronomy 13:1–4).
A false minister or prophet may even prophesy accurately concerning some sign or wonder. But God says that if he leads you after other gods—if he leads you away from the God of the Bible and the true Jesus Christ of your Bible—then he is a false prophet. Notice also that God may be testing you, to see if you will be faithful to His word and to His way of life!
Obviously Thiel believes that COG prophets CAN make false prophecies or utter things that do not come to pass as long as they are directing people towards their "TRUE" god.
He then goes on to say
Thousands of false utterances occur every week in Armstrongism. I guess it is pesky little demons that are causing those false words. Is it a demon who is causing Meredith to lie?
There are many false prophecies and predictions these days. Some from demons, some from astrology, and some from imagination. But many have occult connections. Many will be deceived from false prophecies claimed to be related to 2012
Thiel then starts blabbering on about Anton Levy and his Church of Satan in regards to birthdays. Do you not realize that when you keep your birthday or a loved one's birthday you are bowing at the altar of Satan? The next thing you know you will be sacrificing your children on the Chruch of Satan altar........
LCG and Thiel on Satanism
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Bob...scriptures that tell the people not to follow other ideas, other priests, other gods and such were written by the priest class during the Babylonian Captivity to protect their turf and keep the people loyal to them. If you know where to look, you can even find false and failed prophecies injected into the texts to make the competition look stupid and false for uttering them. Politics!
The injunction NOT to even look up at the stars of heaven was not to prevent them from going astray, but to keep them from figuring out that the stories told by the Priests were born in the constellations of the zodiac, which is merely the Ecliptic.
That was Priest knowledge just like the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and of Eternal Life was god fruit and not for humans.."lest they become like US and live forever."
One of my favorites is Ezekiel's Cherubs with the face of a man, a bull, a lion and an eagle. Hmmmmmm wonder where this creature where four faces each with six wings, making 24 (as in hours of the day), came from?
Man Face=Aquarius the Water Man in January and winter
Bull Face=Taurus the Bull and plowmate of spring planting
Lion Face=Leo the Lion of Summer
Eagle Face=Aquila the Eagle and Fall
Sooooooooooooooo, nothing is as it appears to be :)
Anyway, God Haunted and Prophecy Primed can really screw you up and the real lives of those who fall into practicing it.
PS Would you care to review where "how thou art fallen oh Lucifer, son of the morning star...." came from?
I didn't think so :)
It is OK for Roderick Meredith and the other Armstrongists to lie and be false prophets as long as we can stone them to death.
Comment was made that: "...I guess it is pesky little demons that are causing those false words. Is it a demon who is causing Meredith to lie?..."
Thiel is just as blind as Meredith is to understanding about that particular spirit and lies, but it's right there in James 4:5 for them to read about:
"Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth IN US lusteth to envy?"
That complements the following verse:
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." John 8:44
John
Anonymous, I am shocked!
Are you saying that Roderick Meredith is of the Devil?
If that were true, there would be such implications!
It would mean that the Living Church of God is of Satan and a total lie: True Christians could not be a part of it!
Are you sure?
Because if it is realy true, all the members should leave right now, right in the middle of the Feast!
From the article:
"Thiel then starts blabbering on about Anton Levy and his Church of Satan in regards to birthdays. Do you not realize that when you keep your birthday or a loved one's birthday you are bowing at the altar of Satan? The next thing you know you will be sacrificing your children on the Chruch of Satan altar........
LCG and Thiel on Satanism "
The mention of the altar causes me to wonder about the practices of churches particularly apostolic churches. Supposedly the churches, physical or spiritual, were built upon the belief that Christ was the ultimate sacrifice - putting an end to the ritual. There were to be no more blood sacrifices so the new covenant sacrifices were to be offerings (money) non-blood types as in prayer, repentance blah, blah blah ... .
Why then do most if not all new covenant churches have physical altars in them? I would expect them to be trying to put distance from the idea of sacrifices made at the public altar, and move toward personal sacrifice.
I suppose it is more of the picking and choosing as to which old covenant rituals they need to hang onto in order to create some sort of historical background for Christianity, which they did not have without Judaism. They simply cannot veer too far from those old scriptures which were pulled out of context and roped into the made-up book that was compiled for that express purpose.
Yikes! Politics operating in early prophecies as well as those pronounced today. What a concept!
Dennis, you really do pick-up on some very interesting motives. These are very interesting connections you've provided regarding the symbolics.
Very likely Bob Thiel would not wish to learn more about how "Lucifer, son of the morning star" has fallen and from where he fell, but I surely would. I really would appreciate learning your description of this event whenever you might find time to present it.
Reality:
http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Planet-Venus-is-the-Light-Bringer-and-the-Story-Behind-the-Fall-of-Satan-in-Isaiah-14&id=238438
Now that was one interesting and entertaining story. Oddly, it makes more sense than the version adopted by the churches. I enjoyed it a lot, and now plan to go back to reading more of these articles. Thank you, lots.
One statement in your article jumped out at me - where you said, "The Jesus of Revelation bears no likeness to the Jesus of the Gospels."
With all of the dissection and interpretation of the Bible text that has gone on for ages over much insignificant minutiae, it is astounding that this comparison never came up - at least not in any major commentaries expounded in sermons I ever heard.
Douglas Becker wrote: "...Are you saying that Roderick Meredith is of the Devil?
If that were true, there would be such implications!
It would mean that the Living Church of God is of Satan and a total lie: True Christians could not be a part of it!
Are you sure?
Because if it is realy true, all the members should leave right now, right in the middle of the Feast!..........."
I believe Rod Meredith and Bob Thiel would simply fit into the following verses, which they apply to others:
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;
They will continue doing what is right in their own eyes, while being themselves deceived, and continue to not discern between good and evil. Preaching prophecies that aren't true shows us that very fact that they remain deceived.
John
John, but if they are deceived, isn't their ministry useless?
Douglas,
You asked: "John, but if they are deceived, isn't their ministry useless?"
No, I don't think useless is the word. Perhaps just deceived. All the world is deceived and Satan is being allowed to work his evil.
Regarding God's Church Revelation 2-3 will occur as has already been determined...and Satan, according to some of the verses, has his part to play amongst Those of God's Church as well as his own churches and ministers.
Where would the people go if they left the org/association they are in. They are all so similar with minor variations.
In the final analysis it may not matter, but in time they will eventually learn that their beliefs in prophecy was all in vain.
How many are still looking for those 10 kings/nations to show up? For decades people have been looking for that to occur. Scripture seems to indicate that won't even occur until they get on the other side of their so-called millennium...after Satan is loosed from the pit, after Satan again is allowed to deceive the entire world, after war is again learned, but time will tell.
Perhaps it is through all of these xcogs (not just the Cat church, Protestant churches, etc.) that God has allowed Satan to control this world in order to keep this world blinded, deceived and apparently useless for His purpose. We're all learning about evil...some are learning to hate evil.
You don't want to be caught up in it; neither do I. As far as you are concerned, and me too, their ministry is useless. I'm looking forward to God working it all out someday. His works are known to Him at least:
"Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world." Acts 15:18
I believe it is God's works that will ultimately overcome/overwhelm Satan's works done within humanity.
John
Just thinking how these signs would work in say the other hemisphere.
I should know this, but am feeling sort of brain dead trying to figure how it would work for Leo the Lion face if that is the Lion of Summer.
In Australia, wouldn't it be the Lion face of Winter? and then Maybe the Man face couldn't be the Water Man in January.
There is probably a sensible explanation, which I just haven't studied enough yet to see.
I think I get part of it now.
The Ancient belief system was established very early in history so that it was before Copernicus had learned that the earth was not the center of the universe.
Copernicus did not come along until the 15th century, well after the proto-orthodox had copied the ancient system and used it in the 3rd century as their model in establishing Christianity.
That seems to destroy both systems as coming from God.
Oh, well, silly me. You know, when it says of false prophets, "Thou shalt not fear them", I sort of thought that God didn't really want you to have anything to do with them.
So if, as it is with so many ACoGs and Herbert Armstrong, that they lie and are false prophets (but still take your money), how can you rely on anything they say?
And if you can't rely on anything they say, doesn't it like, sort of, make them worthless?
Just wondering.
I think I finally see the principle which I had overlooked in Astrotheology, causing the problem of the opposing signs in the opposing hemispheres - not that anyone cares about these, but just in case I've led anybody off on a wilder goose chase :)
In cycling through all of prescisions of the equinoxes, from ancient times up to the 3rd century, the astronomic signs would logically be opposite at various times over the thousands of years.
So no problem that Leo the Lion of Summer would represent the Winter at some point in either hemisphere. Whew!
Oops. I meant precessions of the Equinox.
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