Monday, May 22, 2023

Africa's Problem With Lying Prophets - Governments Starting To Crackdown On The Liars


 

Now we know the real story behind Bob Thiel's self-appointed prophet status. Besides bringing him perceived recognition that he would otherwise not get, he is in it for the money. If he can con his Caucasian members into believing he is a prophet they will hand him more money. Of course, this fits in really well with the African followers he has conned. While not able to give him a lot of money, they kowtow to his prophet status as the Great White Bwana set aside by God before the foundations of the world were laid in place. As long as he can con them into believing he was preordained to come in the end times to deliver a message, he has a captive audience. Thankfully 99.99% of present-day COG members and former members know him to be a liar. Making dumb half-assed "predictions" sure beats the hand-flailing seat-bouncing sermons he delivers.

Bwana Bob is sure to start screaming persecution when Ghana and Nigeria start putting the brakes on his ambiguous prophetic lies. We probably shouldn't be too concerned with Bwana Bob because he is NOT a major religious figure.

Behind Africans’ Thirst for Prophecy; Confusion About the Present and Anxiety About the Future Blog Post by Ebenezer Obadare February 3, 2022 4:33 pm (EST)

Late last year, the Ghana Police Service issued a statement in which it warned those it referred to as “doomsday prophets” to desist from prophesying or face prosecution and a term of imprisonment of up to five years. It reminded the Ghanaian public that “it is a crime for a person to publish or reproduce a statement, rumor or report which is likely to cause fear and alarm to the public or disturb the public peace, where that person has no evidence to prove that the statement, rumor or report is true.” The statement stirred a heated debate, with not a few commentators wondering how a prophecy—an event that has yet to occur—can be shown to be “true,” and whether a threat by law enforcement is the best strategy to deal with an issue that, technically speaking, lies beyond the purview of the law. Nonetheless, many shared the authorities’ concern about growing public faith in prophetic statements by major religious figures and in the figures themselves. 
 
Ghana is not the only African country where prophecy has ruffled the social matter. In Nigeria, where Pentecostal pastors similarly enjoy tremendous social prestige, the end of the year and the beginning of a new one, understandably a time of anxiety for many families, tends to be dominated by pastoral proclamations on what to expect in the New Year. Such prophecies typically cover the gamut: from extreme weather events to untold airplane crashes, winners of forthcoming elections and major sporting tournaments, tragedies involving members of the political elite, and the fate of the economy—domestic and global. With a few exceptions, they tend to be as broad and as ambiguous as possible.

The article also says this:

The deliberate ambiguity of most prophecies is a matter of prudence, for a precise prophecy is an invitation to trouble, especially if such fails to come to pass.

This accurately describes Bwana Bob. Cowardly to the max, he makes all of his "statements" as ambiguous as possible because he is afraid of making a real stand. 

The article then goes on to describe why Bwana Bob finds a fertile field for his looniness and why so many accept his wackiness unconditionally:

What explains the increasing popular fascination with prophecy across Africa, mishaps such as the foregoing notwithstanding?

In the first place, prophecies, tracking the Pentecostal explosion of the past three decades, speak to popular perplexity amid an acute and persistent hunger for meaning. For many people, prophecies regarding strange deaths, inflation, starvation, and political stability resonate precisely because these are matters of pressing and ongoing concern. In this sense, prophecies function as a kind of social text, useful for keeping track of where the shoe pinches the rump of civil society. A prophecy concerning migration makes sense in a country like Nigeria where emigration provides an out for young people who increasingly feel stuck.

Nor is belief in prophecies separable from trust in their purveyors, the ubiquitous Men of God who, as I argue in my forthcoming book on the subject, have stepped into the vacuum created by the degradation of higher education and the retreat of the intelligentsia from public life. As yesterday’s Man of Letters has ceded his authority to today’s Man of God, informed economic forecast and political analysis have given way to pastoral prognostication. To be a respected Man of God in many parts of Africa today is to exist almost beyond law or sanction. Erstwhile university academics who morphed into Men of God, Adeboye and Olukoya enjoy social respect approaching sanctification.

An intelligentsia in retreat is just a part of the problem. Historically negligent of common welfare, the state remains largely absent from many people’s lives, visible only when it mobilizes violence—a capacity that, as it happens, it can no longer claim absolute monopoly over. In varying degrees, the state’s traditional role has been assumed by sundry nonstate and religious entities, which explains why pastoral power and its announcements have become more relevant to the public than state power. One way in which the pastorate lays claim to legitimacy is through prophetic proclamations, and the scarier those proclamations, the greater the Man of God’s control of the public’s imagination. Hence Ghana’s “doomsday prophecies.”

Finally, growing uncertainty—about politics, the economy, life itself—heightens the thirst for prophecy. When the only certainty that people have is that things will get worse, prophecy can offer assurance that their situation is not beyond redemption. 
 
In seeking to regulate prophecy, the Ghana Police Service is not so much wrong as it is misguided. The problem is not that there are “doomsday prophecies.” The issue is that the distrust of the state and other secular authorities is so deep, people would rather take their chance with prophets. They have nothing to lose but their credulity.

In another article:


Church ‘prophets’ prey on Africans eager for better lives
by Stella Mapenzauswa | 7 Dec 2020 | Africa 
 

"Many Africans see religion as a path to prosperity. Self-professed prophets are soliciting church donations that bankroll their own lavish lifestyles." 
 
"One key difference is the African churches are apt to accept supernatural experiences such as prophecy, miracles and healing, increasing their appeal to those Africans who embrace centuries-old traditional beliefs even while embracing Western-style religion."


Another reader sent this to me:


Economics of Ministry: Africa’s freelance prophets are breaking free of denominations by Nyasha Bhobo Baptist News Globa

Zikode Phiri calls himself a freelance prophet. He has just completed a tour of France and Britain for private prayer clients—laying on hands, casting out demons, and interpreting dreams for those who have paid for his visa and flights from more than 7,000 miles away. “Where I hail from in Zambia, it’s easier nowadays to earn good money as a prophet than pastor,” he explained. Phiri says affluent émigrés from his native Zambia bought him a plane ticket and hotel accommodations and lavished him with an allowance to spend four weeks in France and Britain. The anticipated $3,000 he’ll net off this trip—plus gifts like pricey shoes—dwarfs his earnings in Zambia, where he previously worked as a Methodist pastor. “It’s possible because there is now a huge Zambia diaspora presence in the UK, and they need the prophetic services from someone African, similar to them, and that’s me,” Phiri explained. But the Methodist, Baptist, Lutheran, and Presbyterian churches prophet-pastors like Phiri grew up in and trained with sometimes restrict such prophetic work. One can be suspended for interpreting dreams, casting out demons, or giving out holy water, Phiri said. So he quit. The constraint of traditional denominational oversight groups was also too much for Jimayi Ntokozo, a former Baptist pastor from Zimbabwe who now spends three months a year in the south of England offering prophetic services to émigré families. “The interesting thing is although they might be Baptists, Methodist, or Presbyterian in their everyday faith—secretly they hunger for evangelical-style prophetic services,” Ntokozo said. “Hence, they hired me as a freelance prophet in their private capacity as families. It is better money for me.” In southern Africa, traditional denominations enforce bans on prophetic expressions as a way to differentiate from other evangelical groups. “The real reason is to separate these denominations from evangelicals in these countries. Evangelicals are popular for mass, open-air prophetic services, and gifts. The Methodists, Baptists, Lutheran, or Presbyterians can’t compete in style and numbers,” said Rishon Muganga, pastor of Zion Christian Church, one of southern Africa’s biggest independent churches, where prophetic expressions are a huge identity. Across countries including South Africa, Mozambique, Zambia, and Malawi, the job of prophet-pastor commands huge, feverish followings and can earn one serious wealth if they are thought to possess prowess in predicting events, interpreting dreams, or healing ailments. Ntokozo said old-school denominations across southern Africa must relax their ban on prophetic expressions or they will continue to lose ministry talent when pastors opt to become freelance prophets. With the economy being what it is, ambitious pastors believe their only option is to quit the denominations and earn a living traveling the world. “I wanted to be a full-time pastor in the Methodist church I trained with, but the salaries are pitiful,” Phiri said. “The pull of flying around the world as a freelance prophet is hard to resist. Plus, I enjoy being a prophet.”

Also, see: 


THE PROBLEM OF FALSE PROPHETS IN AFRICA
STRENGTHENING THE CHURCH IN THE FACE OF A TROUBLESOME TREND

Prophets whose intentions are self-centered or evil have been around since biblical times (Matt 7: 15-20; Acts 13: 6-12; 2 Pet 2: 1-3; Jer: 29:9). Three things distinguish a genuine prophet from false:
  • A genuine prophet is often trained through a long and proven relationship with God.
  • Their conduct does not contradict the Word of God (1 John 4:1-3).
  • Their predictions come to pass and often lead to good outcomes in society, particularly in the interests of the poor and marginalized (Deut 18:20-22; Num 23:19; Ezek 33:33; 1 Sam 3:19. 2 Chron 18:13 and Matt 24:35).

As you can see Bwana Bob does not meet any of these three criteria. 



 


Sunday, May 21, 2023

LCG Members Had Better Get Their Acts Together If They Want To Be Kings And Priests

 

LCG members had better start listening to their preachers that give sermons, read the articles they write, and take FULL advantage of all the other opportunities that the church offers them so that they can be kings and priests in the world to come. It is going to be a hard job educating the world in Herbert's teachings.

From reading Winnail's blurb below it seems obvious that some LCG members are NOT listening to the leadership as they are expected nor are they reading church literature. After all, these men work SO HARD to deliver the sermons and other things they do and you should be respecting their hard work! Bad boys and girls!



Prepare for the Future: The Scriptures reveal the saints will reign as kings and priests in the Kingdom of God (Revelation 5:10) and that they will be teachers in the Kingdom (Isaiah 30:20–21) who will explain the laws of God and His way of life to all people (Isaiah 2:2–4). However, you cannot effectively teach what you have never proven or lived. Down through the ages, God has prepared human instruments to accomplish His purpose. God personally taught Abraham. Moses was educated as a prince in Egypt (Acts 7:22) and then received 40 more years of training in the wilderness to prepare him to lead the nation of Israel. Daniel was educated in Babylon (Daniel 1:4). Ezra “prepared his heart to seek the Law of the Lord… and to teach statutes and ordinances in Israel” when the Jews returned to Jerusalem from Babylon (Ezra 7:10). At the age of twelve, Jesus amazed religious teachers in the temple with His knowledge of the Scriptures (Luke 2:41–47). Paul received much of his education before God used him in powerful ways (Acts 22:3; Galatians 1:14). Part of the mission of God’s Church today is to “make ready a people prepared for the Lord” (Luke 1:17). This is why we preach sermons, do Bible studies, publish literature, and offer Living Education courses. Are you taking advantage of the opportunities that God is offering—to prepare for the future?
Have a profitable Sabbath,
Douglas S. Winnail

Dave Pack's New Timeline That Is 100% Correct!

 

Sivan Slip-Up

 

David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God has a love affair with failure. He slipped on another prophetic banana peel some careless dope left in his path. His eyes were too lofty to look down before sliding face-first into the Grand Garden mulch this morning. (If you listen hard enough, you can hear Ryan Denee snickering.)

 

Even though “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 443)” on May 18, 2023, “proved” that the First Kingdom to Israel would begin on Sivan 1, my morning coffee proved otherwise.

 

Nothing happened at 10:38 PM ET last night as the sun rose in Jerusalem, Israel. Nothing happened at 6:03 AM ET this morning when the sun rose in Wadsworth, Ohio.

 

What does it say when an unordained non-prophet/non-psychic antichrist knew this before the only living apostle and Elijah-Elect King David Passover? Well, one of us lives in a world of tangible reality while the other is trapped in an elusive fantasy loop.

 

I hope your fridge is stocked with Member Berries because the length of the First Kingdom to Israel has been on quite a journey.

 

Part 437 – 10 Days

Part 438 – 4 Months

Part 440 – You Cannot Know

Part 441 – 6 Months

Part 442 – 10 Days

Part 443 – 1 Month

 

Part 443 could not be an authentic "final Part of the Series" without spending most of the one-hour and fifty-six minutes reversing teachings from the last final Part 442.

 

Flashback Part 442 – May 13, 2023

@ 53:12 And it’s all clear. And I have no authority, brethren, to tell you it’s other than ten days. 

 

@ 54:14 …unless I’m just all wet and somebody else can pick up the Bible and…make the Bible say the First Kingdom is other than ten days.

 

That somebody else who found authority turned out to be David C. Pack. The First Kingdom is now one month per Part 443, not ten days.

 

As a refresher, Part 443 set new dates for the return of Jesus Christ.

 

First Kingdom to Israel

Sivan 1 at Sunrise*

May 21 at 6:03 AM ET

 

Second Kingdom of God

Tammuz 1 at Sunset*

June 19 at 9:02 PM ET

 

*Subject to change. And change. And change. And change. Oh, and change.

 

The new one-month layout looks simpler than just a shot glass or thimble.


 

 

Part 443 – May 18, 2023

@ 07:29 Now, we’re not late. We’re still very close.

 

The brethren of RCG must not mind Grandpa Dave delivering Part 443 on the very day of his own failure when he declared in Part 442 that the First Kingdom would arrive on May 18. They either forgot or did not care.

 

They also seem to accept gaslighting as a vital part of the Kingdom Revealing Program.

 

@ 07:46 And, we’re more on track than we than we even dreamed…We’re gonna adjust slightly and reveal a powerful set of dates for this kingdom.

 

What about the folks that dreamed it would happen on May 18?

 

Changing a kingdom period from ten days to one month is "slight," according to Dave. Moving the Kingdom of God from Pentecost to Tammuz 1 is "slight," according to Dave. Sure…slight.

 

@ 08:33 Is this Kingdom one month or ten days? …I knew I had to go ahead and speak. I had everything else settled.

 

While in the process of excusing himself, David C. Pack exposes himself.

 

@ 09:08 God would not just name Pentecost. He does not use Holy Days, and He wouldn't name Pentecost as the day that the Kingdom of God comes. It just bothered me. But I didn’t have time to put it together.

 

David C. Pack admits to the brethren of The Restored Church of God that he spoke on the Sabbath of May 13, claiming God’s name and authority to teach them things he was “bothered” by but did it anyway. The man was unprepared, knows he was unprepared, and still went with it.

 

This is how the Pastor General of The Restored Church of God operates.

 

A former "inner circle" minister told me that Dave once knowingly taught the church what he knew to be wrong but said, "I have to go with it, and I'll fix it later." This is not new to Grandpa Dave. He will knowingly teach error to the church because he “didn’t have enough time” to teach the truth.

 

The man who threatens people with the Lake of Fire if they do not listen and take notes and believe him is the same person who admits he knowingly teaches erroneous doctrines.

 

Out of his own mouth, he has said it. He reveals who and what he is.

 

David C. Pack tells you everything you need to know
whether he is true or not.

 

The man is a liar. Worse than that, he is a blaspheming liar. Is that an accusation or observation? Ponder it before you jump to an answer.

 

@ 09:33 So, I had that, you know, “David-Solomon-Jedidiah moment” where I realized I was–WE were slightly off. And yet, one of the two dates I gave you, I talked about Wednesday night and Saturday night. One of those two dates is correct.

 

Both of those two dates were not correct. And he almost took sole responsibility.

 

Doctrinal Precision has lived in a cardboard box under the overpass since it was evicted from the Wadsworth Campus. The glory days of "Don't believe me, believe your Bible" are long past.

 

 

These two quotes fall under the “Yeah, not so much” category.

 

@ 49:46 And until I’ve made this plain and broken out the exact dates, it will not be clear. It will it will not be plain.

 

@ 1:00:07 Three and a half days of The Word from Sunday dawn to Wednesday evening.

 

With the First Kingdom to Israel NOT starting this morning and being one month long, the June start for the Second Kingdom of God starting on Tammuz 1 seems to be in jeopardy.

 

A banana peel slip with the left foot leads into another with the right. Chevy Chase would be proud.



@ 1:07:13 When the Kingdom of God arrives, think June brides. June is the wedding month. So, more people are married in June than pretty much the other months combined.

 

This tiny point deserves an honorable mention in David C. Pack’s Gallery of Stupid. A quick internet search debunkshis June statistics. It is only a “fact” and “proof” because he says so. The man creates his own reality and proves what he is doing to everyone paying attention.

 

@ 1:07:29 So, it’s a natural. The Kingdom of God would come on June 20th or the night of the 19th, I guess.

 

@ 1:09:58 I never saw so many things line up so perfectly as when we saw not just a month, a month, a month, a month, but how that month breaks out. Date by date by date. I imagine you'll be pulling out your calendars when you get home. You can play that out.

 

Well, except for the first part, which did not align perfectly. You know, like…today.

 

 

For those interested in watching the Book of Daniel be unsealed for the last time and getting a detailed look at the one-month breakdown, feast your eyes and ears on this.



@ 1:17:51 So, we were right on all these things. We just didn't know that it's a month in front of 

the year. And then had which month it was. You could never argue with this.

 

@ 1:19:02 It’s the greatest kingdom the world’s ever seen. But it’s 84 hours, followed by 48 hours, followed by 24 days. They’re exact. And it ends at even time. The disciples knew that it was started at dawn, exactly.

 

@ 1:19:25 …and it ends at even time. 29 ½ days. There’s no way this isn’t Sivan. And there’s no way I can begin to see it isn’t this year.

 

Dave has completed the full rotation around his own tail. June 20 is Tammuz 1. So, Tammuz is back in the crosshairs. 2023 will be 2022 all over again.

 

 

David C. Pack is conflicted. His mind is conflicted. His mouth is conflicted.

 

@ 1:45:31 It doesn’t change. I’m sure it’ll have some things that change. Some things.

 

The house nestled between his ears is divided against itself. As time goes on, the cracks will widen, and all the spackle in the world will not be able to fill it. The more he talks, the more his decay accelerates.

 

@ 1:47:37 I long knew that there would one day be something or things (I diveren’t saw it happen yet) in my final message where we could know by their being explained made Christ’s coming certain. Made it sure. That you could say, “It will surely come.”

 

Three days later, what is certain and sure is David C. Pack proves himself to be a biblical fraud. Again.

 

@ 1:50:35 So, where would we be wrong? I’m telling you, I’ve tried to tear the Bible apart to see where we could be wrong. I’ve done the best I can. I know I can’t possibly do more.

 

A ticking clock tears his theories apart like a lion will to the RCG young people. Just add a little bit of time, and Dave’s mirage evaporates. The calendar is acid to all of David C. Pack’s theories.

 

 

God is a fan of irony and has a sense of humor. I would not be surprised if David C. Pack finally got one of his prophecies correct. Just one. A prophecy fulfilled by the man himself and only for himself.

 

@ 1:50:59 You know, you shake and rattle and try to pick the locks and see if there’s some way to get out. You got handcuffs on. You gotta straightjacket. You’re in a tiny cell locked in the middle of a vault. Now, I couldn’t get out of it. I can’t find another way out.

 

If Dave winds up under these conditions, then know there was a prophet among us.

 

@ 1:55:50 There is no [Part] 444. I made it plain. I believe absolutely, with every fiber of my being…The Lord Jesus Christ will surely come, and all of this will start.

 

Part 444 was delivered last night at Headquarters. I wonder how many slip-ups and face-plants he will perform as he explains away the debacle that has already become of the final Part 443.


Marc Cebrian

See: Sivan Slip-Up