Sunday, February 9, 2014

Dennis Muses


Timing is EVERYTHING

Postman's Third Law:

"At any given time, the chief source of bullshit with which you have to contend is yourself."

The reason for this is explained in Postman's Fourth Law, which is;

"Almost nothing is about what you think it is about--including you."

The early New Testament Church made much about just how close to the Second Coming of Jesus and prophetic end time events they were in fact.  One can't read the New Testament and not come to the obvious conclusion that "soon" and "shortly",  "the hour now is" and "at hand", "draweth nigh and "standing at the door" meant to them what it means to us today should we choose that kind of language.  We all know that the Apostle Paul wove his own tale of end timeness which literally impacted the lives of those unfortunate enough to come in contact with his agenda and ended up with Paul finally having to admit he at least fought a good fight and he'd get his crown so bye bye now.  Later the Books of I and II Peter were written to add, "new and expansive elements," to just what a day really meant and of course it did not now mean what it always meant.  It now could be God's day and not ours which could be a thousand years long as far God is concerned.  It is called an  apologetic and a cover story for why something originally proclaimed fell way short.

Apologetics, as far as Dave Pack are concerned, is the art of explaining how that which was never "on" is still "on."  

Dave Pack falls way short but you'd never know it.  In his "I was wrong" apologetic called, "A Conclusion Everyone Should come to..., sorry...I mean "A Conclusion Everyone Should Read,"  Dave shifts the mistakes and missteps of his ridiculous "I see me in Haggai" fairytale which was to bring all the splinters unto himself by August 31, 2013 to his only being wrong in "the timing."  Make no mistake.  Dave is not wrong in the timing.  He is just plain wrong.  A fairy tale with Dave as the star player is still a fairytale.  God's crystal clear mud is a construct of Dave's mind but we now have to wonder just when the other shoe will drop as the entire mess has not been repented of but rather shifted ahead to "the Spring Holy days."  



So one of two things are about to happen.  Either Dave will drop this foolishness and endeavor to preserve what little credibility he has among the brain dead that follow his lead or we are about to be treated to another round of God's crystal clear proof that the splinters will return to Dave and all will be reunited again under his fantastic and loving leadership.  

Dave makes the shift in A Conclusion Everyone Should Read
( FRIDAY, OCTOBER 11, 2013)


"I have been well aware for over 40 years in the ministry of Mr. Armstrong’s position on setting dates. But in the case of the Haggai prophecy, I and every minister at our Headquarters concluded that the prophecy came in a manner that was inseparable from timing—that timing was directly attached to it. Later you will see what part of this thinking was wrong.   (Ummm...all of it)Mr. Armstrong continues, explaining that some venturing into matters of timing, chronology and setting dates is natural and almost unavoidable:

Revisiting “Timing”


We now examine more about what was missed regarding the prophecy’s timing. We start by revisiting a crucial aspect of Haggai 1:1 that was misunderstood.   (Hind sight is awesome.  That Council of Agreers and Dave had such amazing confirmation last summer  and it was so obvious last summer was so right.  Now at least we know the Council of Agreers can be wrong no matter how much they pray and study and agree.)Notice: “In the second year of Darius the king, in the sixth month, in the first day of the month, came the word of the LORD by Haggai the prophet unto Zerubbabel…and to Joshua…saying…”
Originally we took the “sixth month” to be the sixth month of God’s sacred calendar, which is Elul. This was wrong. Upon closer examination, it became clear that the reference to the “sixth month” is simply to the sixth month and second year of King Darius’ reign from when it started.  (Why didn't God tell you that in the first place?)  This date is according to the civil, lunar Persian calendar! God did not once mention the sacred calendar through Haggai. He does in Zechariah—but not Haggai. He simply refers to the second year within Darius’ reign. PERIOD! I (we) assumed that what He states in Zechariah applied to Haggai. In retrospect, it is obvious that God used HIS calendar for Zechariah and the PERSIAN calendar in Haggai to keep the prophecy hidden in code(Oh, so now we can blame "god"  for this and not take personal responsibility.  And now we're back to
"God's word is crystal clear" to "But still written in hard to be understood code.  You're messin' with us here Dave.) 
harder to be understood before its time to be revealed had come. We missed this.  (YOU missed this.  We caught it right off. The Agreers just agreed to miss it with you.)  Anyone can read the two books and see that one contains dates of the month that apply to God’s calendar and one does not. We made a connection that did not exist.  (Now we're getting somewhere!  Now I'm not sure about the "anyone" thing because you missed it right off the bat.  I would never have seen it because knew you were off the bat to begin with so why sweat the details of batness.
A series of clues point to Haggai 1:1 being in the SPRING of the year, NOT the fall. Let’s see.  (Awwww shit...more clues?)
To find the second year of Darius’ reign, we must look at when his reign began. Historians agree that Darius’ reign began in late September-early October 521 BC. Many sources could be included that say this. For instance, the 11th Edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (widely seen as the most reputable edition) records that Darius came to office in October, 521 BC—and probably on the 10th of Tishri, or the Day of Atonement that year (October 10).
Let’s watch the connection become obvious.
(In apologetic hind sight of course it becomes "obvious.")
After a work stoppage, the Jews began again to build Zerubbabel’s Temple one-and-a-half years into Darius’ reign, in the spring of 519 BC on the 24th day of the sixth month—about April 1 in our calendar. Further proof is that EVERY biblical and historical source states that it took four years to finish this Temple. No one disputes this. ALL these sources recognize that the work of building was completed in early March 515 BC—or what would be five-and-a-half years into Darius’ reign. This is important. Notice what the book of Ezra records: “The elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and FINISHED it [the temple], according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia. And this house wasFINISHED on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the king” (6:14-15). The third of Adar would generally correspond with our early March.
This means the temple in Haggai 1:1 is referencing an event in the spring of the year, not late summer or fall. This is the FIRST proof that the prophecy applies to the spring, not the fall. This does not mean we know the exact timing of the prophecy’s fulfillment—either the exact day (or the year) in the spring. But there are THREE more powerful PROOFS/INDICATORS that the prophecy is fulfilled in the spring not the fall. These immediately “sprang out of the woodwork” the moment we realized the season that God had in mind to fulfill Haggai—PRE-PASSOVER.
You mean this new truth sprang out of the woodwork like it did the first time for August 31, 2013?

The Time Is NOW!  (As of October 2013 redacted to "SOON")

Now comes a series of reasons Haggai’s prophecy will be fulfilled this year. They are summarized, with only a very little detail added. More could be said of each, but the descriptions given will suffice to those willing to think just a little about them. Realize there are over 30 more reasons—many of them very powerful—that I have left off the list because some will be covered later or because they would only be recognized as proofs by our Headquarters ministry (involving various miracles, some big). Readers would be largely unable to appreciate them as proofs:  (There was a good reason for that Dave...)

1) Understanding the meaning of the prophecy, starting with Haggai 1:2, automatically carries the requirement of taking a position on it. This cannot be avoided after one learns it. Think about this. The position of the remnant is that “the time is not come” to rebuild God’s House. Are they right or wrong? God indicts their thinking, meaning they are wrong! If the prophecy is not now, the net effect would be that God agrees with the remnant’s view. Worse, so should those currently in God’s one Church because they now know the meaning of the prophecy. Think this through. One does or does not agree with the remnant. God does not—and we do not. The time is now! Let’s go further.

2) Directly related, why (or how) would God command the remnant to “Go…build the House!” (Hag. 1:8)—but not mean NOW? How could He mean some undetermined future year? Why would God tell them (twice) to “consider their ways”—but not mean that they should do this now? Try to imagine God saying, “Consider your ways, but take your time. There’s no hurry. In fact, take years to think it over—even though you have been out of My Church for 20 years! You don’t have to DO anything now.”

3) Also related, if God waited 2,500 years to reveal the prophecy’s meaning (3,000 years when various related much older Psalms are considered), is not His waiting done? Does His revealing it not signal that He has reached the time to fulfill it rather than having reached a point one, two or three years out?  (Evidently yes)

4) Next, why would God wait longer? What would He wait for?  (Probably mockers and scoffers) The remnant is absolutely ripe for deliverance.

5) Internally, and this is no small thing, God’s Church is truly ready to expand the Work in a BIG WAY. The prophecy features this as the MAIN PURPOSE of the remnant returning! Without the prophecy’s fulfillment, this expansion would be delayed one year—or more! Why would God notify His Church of the prophecy’s existence at the very same time our staff is ready, our websites are ready, our literature is ready and even God’s college is ready for more students if the prophecy were not imminent? Why would God notify His Church if HE were not ready?  (He forgot the Code?)

6) Related to this, the buildings on our campus can very soon handle significantly more staff than we have now. This is already true without the other two buildings scheduled for completion in the late fall. However, this extra size works perfectly if the prophecy occurs this year.

7) Also related, but separate, our infrastructure is ready to receive and serve a much larger flock this fall! This includes field ministry being ready, but also other things.

8) Maturing interest from many in the world due to one year of explosive television expansion requires many more laborers in the ministry by this autumn.

9) The Restored Church of God is experiencing an AWESOME period of growth and development at this time—in the runup period just prior to the prophecy’s fulfillment. This is putting it mildly! To us, this is powerful indication that we are on the right track for this year—that God is not only pleased with His Church, but that He is helping it get ready.

10) If the prophecy did not happen this year, the remnant would remain another year (or more) undergoing ever worsening false ways. Worse off, they would have a commensurate shorter time to spiritually recover before the Tribulation. Think worse condition, less time to recover.  (Think better understanding of false prophecy.  More reasons to get out...)

11) If reunification occurred next year (or any year after), those with God’s Spirit would have one more year cut off from God’s Church. This carries the potential for more to quench the Holy Spirit (I Thes. 5:19) and lose salvation.  (Nah..they are fine)

12) The readers of the Haggai prophecy announcements (this is #21) who believed them would be the most disillusioned and the biggest candidates to QUIT everything if God did not return His people to one House this year!   (Not to worry.  This does not seem to have occurred to the already brain dead in RCG.)This would work directly against what God is doing—directly opposite His overall purpose.

13) Further desolation (Hag. 1:11; 2:16-17) from God of the splinter “houses” would practically wipe out the few remaining senior leaders in them. This includes pastors and elders, all of whom are NEEDED TO CARRY OUT THE BIG WORK!

14) The onset of all future years would never come with clarity—with any certainty! Would God leave thousands who are now aware of this prophecy in such a condition? Hardly.
(Hardly happened...)

15) Next, for those who will see the value of how to pursue spiritual matters, there is this: After fervently seeking God about it, not one reason the prophecy is off this year ever emerged in the minds of even one of our 16 Headquarters ministers! I (we-no you had it right the first time..it was YOU) have NEVER prayed about, studied over, meditated on, fasted about and counseled with other ministers regarding a subject more than this one—in fact no other subject is even close!
(Oh don't kid yourself.  It emerged alright but when things emerge in Agreers, they quickly submerge)

16) Similarly, as questions emerged throughout our pursuit of truth with the many details of the prophecy, so many of these details kept coming clear as direct answers to prayer. And these were often immediate.
(Some mistakes are more immediate than others)

17) Recall Haggai 1:13: “Then spoke Haggai the Lord’s messenger in the Lord’s message unto the people…” Haggai is the messenger to God’s people, with what is an all-important message from God. Would not God make clear in such a unique message He describes as “the Lord’s message unto His people” the correct date for action? What kind of message would it be if people did not know WHEN TO CARRY IT OUT?  (A fake one???)

18) Since the apostasy, God had not wanted the remnant back in His Church, but now He does. He would first reveal the remnant to His leader, then tell him how they would return, and finally that He meant NOW. This was the order in which these things became apparent.  (First..the leader screwed it up..so all that followed would not contain the words "then" and "finally." )

19) Imagine God not revealing the year the remnant is coming—but only the day and month. Vast amounts of time would have been wasted by His leaders studying and preparing for something that was not imminent. Would God put His Church in such a position?
("I didn't put anyone in any position...YOU did Dave!"  
--God)

20) Of interest, God revealed to me during ELUL four years ago my role as the modern Joshua.
(Well then you just hung yourself didn't you because of interest, you have shifted this to Spring when God did not reveal anything to you about anything so you aren't any Joshua.  What kind of a loon thinks this way?)

21) Also of interest, I and The Restored Church of God learned about the New Testament remnant last ELUL (August). Let’s ask: Would timing of when we were shown the prophecy not be tied to its unique timing of fulfillment during the very next available ELUL?

22) We might ask: does the DEVIL know the prophecy is on? For those who understand how the devil works—that he counterfeits EVERYTHING God does—a variety of counterfeit theories have recently appeared about how God is going to reunite His people. Should not the devil be expected to do this at the time it would cause the most confusion? You will soon see that most of these theories are coming from men standing on the wrong side of this prophecy.
Leave me out of this-----Satan

23) With God’s people split up, it is now almost impossible to do a powerful Work. (This might be the one area where the splinter leaders would agree.) God’s Church is largely stymied in working with both brethren and the world because of the confusion and deception from top leaders about where God’s Church is, who has the truth, who is carrying on after Mr. Armstrong, who is doing the true Work, etc. (Reread #22.) There is no other way to proceed than for God to remove leaders who have lulled with deceit many thousands who were blind (Rev. 3:17) to begin with

24) World conditions cry out for a big Work NOW!!!—not one or more years from now.  (Right, so since that year has passed, nothing more can be done...)

Hold on to your butts brethren.  Spring cometh....

7 comments:

Joe Moeller said...

DAVES NOT HERE! :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtDAK7Umk7A

Joe Moeller
Cody, WY

Anonymous said...

Normally, one might hope and expect that a congregation taken for such a bogus ride would leave Armstrongism totally and completely. However, there is a phenomenon ongoing as we speak in Ron Weinland's PKG in which a measurable number of members are going back and researching and reading all of HWA's original materials as an antidote to Weinland, and a method of correcting what he has taught them. There is even someone many feel is a member of Pack's RCG attempting to persuade these people that Pack is not making Weinland's same mistakes, but most certainly all of us here can see very little difference between Pack and Weinland. They are cut from the same cloth!

I bring this to everyone's attention, so that there can be realization of the hopelessness of the mindset some of the folks are still in. In their minds, less bad translates somehow into almost good, which accounts for all of the splinter-jumping. These people, by the way, are good, well-intentioned people. But, somehow, they hold on to anything they can from Armstrongism. Someone known for his knowledgeability in the field of British Israelism has even patiently interacted with them one on one, but for some, that hasn't registered.

Anonymous said...

Construction of the greatly expanded buildings at "God's World Headquarters" is nearing completion. These facilities are planned for the "Great Influx" that will occur in the Spring by the latest, or else, financially speaking, T.S. will really H.T.F!

Anonymous said...

It is truly fascinating to see how surely these lunatics think they speak for God. God says this, God does that, God won't here, God will there, God, God, God -- I know what God thinks and does and blah blah blah ...

It is mental illness. All of it.

Head Usher said...

"It is truly fascinating to see how surely these lunatics think they speak for God. God says this, God does that, God won't here, God will there, God, God, God -- I know what God thinks and does and blah blah blah ..."

Well said. They can't read other people's minds, but they can read god's mind. That's plausible...

Mark Wolfe said...

David C Pack has officially claimed HWA's religious title of Mr. Confusion----or is that a "rank".

Anonymous said...

LOL, this reminds me... I've noticed my neighbor has been listening to the Genesis song Jesus He Knows Me in his repertoire while he works out:
"I've been talking to jesus all my life. Oh yes he knows me and he knows I'm right."

Click here to listen.