Thursday, October 27, 2016

David C Pack Ramps Up Campaign To Suck COG Members Into His Cult

Dave Pack is back again with another breathless campaign from the superfantabulous Restored Church of God.  Dave has been claiming for 4 years now that his god was going to kill three different COG leaders causing all of their members to be so scared that they will automatically join Dave's personality cult.

In his typical pompous self-righteous style he claims his new series does NOT give any answers but to "stimulate" church members to get off their butts and join up with him.  Dave wants you to know that he has "preached" for over "100 hours" detailing all of the idiotic bullshit he wants you to believe.

Below are questions the Church never saw, or did but could not answer. They are to help God’s people come to grips with all that was never understood before now. The purpose is not to provide answers but rather to bring powerful stimulus to thinking people to strengthen their foundation. The questions are broadly grouped but in no particular order of importance. Some could fit several groups and others broken into many. Don’t worry if a question is not easily understood. This is merely a reference tool and record. It cannot begin to replace 100 hours of sermons containing almost one million words.
Dave again says that the is only giving you the questions and that answers will come later.  Only he and his shrinking congregation have the answers.
Consider the questions knowing every answer is coming. Those in The Restored Church of God already know the answers, and thus see the list as corroborative reminders. Return as other tools are added through early December that ANSWER all these questions.
Any COG leader out there that makes the claim that Dave is a wrong is a LIAR!  COG members are NOT to go to their minister with any of these questions.  Those ministers are too stupid to understand the amazing truth Dave is saying.  Those bumbling ministers are the very reason there are hundreds of splinter groups.  Of course Dave is not one of these splinter groups, but is the ONLY true church.
Any minister who tells you just from the questions he knows we are wrong is screaming he doesn’t need scriptural backup—that he can answer matters before hearing them—even the most important issues of God’s Plan and eternal life. LEAVE YOUR MINISTERS OUT OF THIS! They can study on their own if interested. While many of these men are sincere, they are the chief reason 400 groups exist today in the disagreeing mess all around you that God is about to fix.
On October 31, Dave will post a timeline that details the coming tribulation and the Kingdom of God.
OCTOBER 31: Tool #2 is a downloadable 11x34 inch timeline that thoroughly details the correct placement of every larger prophecy from the apostasy of the 1990s through the Great White Throne Judgment. (You may request a hardcopy.) This grand overview will make plain the sequence of coming events—including the very next things God’s people should watch for, no matter their organization. It will visually clear up how and when the Kingdom of God arrives. 
In November Dave will give everyone the tool about how the Kingdom of God will come.  He claims it is the clear plan on how he and his little flock are the "mustard-seed" that will inaugurate the kingdom.  This is to hit the internet before Thanksgiving.  Woo Hoo!
NOVEMBER—Tool #3 is a new booklet about how God’s Kingdom will come. It will explain God’s clear and easy-to-prove Plan to bring and grow His mustard-seed-sized Kingdom. All of God’s people who hope to be part of it must know what it is! Expect this booklet, written for the world, to be posted by Thanksgiving. 
Then he will soon release the most superfantabulous recap of his butt-numbing endless series of sermons has been preaching lately.  Once again it is important to know that Dave "preached" over one million words!  One million amazing words that no one had ever thought to utter.  One million!  Got it?  That's ONE MILLION!
Tool #4 is a transcript of my 50-plus-part series titled “The Greatest Story Never Told!”, now almost one million words. The series answers every question below, and many more. It carefully outlines how God will restore good ministers and brethren to full faithfulness, and remove bad ministers and brethren from His Plan altogether incompletely reunifying His people! Batches of multiple parts (perhaps ten to twelve) will be released once a week.
These are such amazing things that you will NOT want to ignore them when he starts posting them.  For now though, Dave wants you to know about the Man of Sin!
For now, a sobering two-part warning about the soon-coming, enormously powerful Man of Sin is available on this page. Scores of thousands have viewed them. We hear of the growing interest they are generating. Do not miss ANY of these tools—and tell those you love about them! 
Dave then goes on to list many points about Jesus returning, the two witnesses and more.  One stand out comments how he and the two witness will KILL all who have disobeyed his god.  Remember Dave's boast that he will have the two witnesses walking by his side.
33. The two witnesses are given unrestricted power to kill on what would be a mass scale (Rev. 11:5-6). Why, unless they work in a time when God is wiping out a mankind—all nations—that rejected and disobeyed Him, His Kingdom having already been on Earth?
Dave's god is sure pissed off!

Dave is also the continuation of the knowledge Herbert Armstrong revealed.  Dave continues the message, since Dave trained right at HWA's feet!

37. Was all of Daniel unsealed during Mr. Armstrong’s time—or, right on time, is more knowledge increasing now (Dan. 12:4), on top of what Mr. Armstrong explained? 
Dave believes the Man of Sin is currently sitting in a position in one of the Churches of God.
52. Why is the Man of Sin described as sitting in the “temple of God” (II Thes. 2:3-4)? Since there is no temple in Jerusalem today, and the Catholic St. Peter’s Basilica (as some speculated) could NEVER fit this description, is not the only remaining possibility that this man sits in the spiritual Temple, the Church? So obviously, yes. 
54. Paul warned brethren about the Man of Sin’s rise, and he is shown in II Thessalonians 2 to be involved in and influencing the Church. 
You can read his first 134 points he has to deliver here:  Many Questions God Answered


Anonymous said...

The Wadsworth Giant Eagle is going to have quite a time trying to digest nearly a million words.

Never mind WikiLeaks, this is DaveyLeaks!


DennisCDiehl said...

Let's recall Dave's style in asking and answering questions:

37. Was all of Daniel unsealed during Mr. Armstrong’s time—or, right on time, is more knowledge increasing now (Dan. 12:4Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)), on top of what Mr. Armstrong explained? "

Let's be reminded of the failure of this set up the question to his satisfaction, claim the answer to be obvious and then be proven wrong and screw it up anyway.
Dave says in 2013 "Why Unification this (2013) year?

"The Time Is NOW!

Now comes a series of reasons Haggai’s prophecy will be fulfilled this year. (2013) Realize there are over 30 more reasons—many of them very powerful—that I have left off the list because some will be covered later or because they would only be recognized as proofs by our Headquarters ministry (involving various miracles, some big). Readers would be largely unable to appreciate them as proofs:

1) Understanding the meaning of the prophecy, starting with Haggai 1:2, automatically carries the requirement of taking a position on it. This cannot be avoided after one learns it. Think about this. The position of the remnant is that “the time is not come” to rebuild God’s House. Are they right or wrong? God indicts their thinking, meaning they are wrong! If the prophecy is not now, the net effect would be that God agrees with the remnant’s view. Worse, so should those currently in God’s one Church because they now know the meaning of the prophecy. Think this through. One does or does not agree with the remnant. God does not—and we do not. The time is now! Let’s go further.

2) Directly related, why (or how) would God command the remnant to “Go…build the House!” (Hag. 1:8)—but not mean NOW? How could He mean some undetermined future year? Why would God tell them (twice) to “consider their ways”—but not mean that they should do this now? Try to imagine God saying, “Consider your ways, but take your time. There’s no hurry. In fact, take years to think it over—even though you have been out of My Church for 20 years! You don’t have to DO anything now.”

3) Also related, if God waited 2,500 years to reveal the prophecy’s meaning (3,000 years when various related much older Psalms are considered), is not His waiting done? Does His revealing it not signal that He has reached the time to fulfill it rather than having reached a point one, two or three years out?

4) Next, why would God wait longer? What would He wait for? The remnant is absolutely ripe for deliverance.

5) Internally, and this is no small thing, God’s Church is truly ready to expand the Work in a BIG WAY. The prophecy features this as the MAIN PURPOSE of the remnant returning! Without the prophecy’s fulfillment, this expansion would be delayed one year—or more! Why would God notify His Church of the prophecy’s existence at the very same time our staff is ready, our websites are ready, our literature is ready and even God’s college is ready for more students if the prophecy were not imminent? Why would God notify His Church if HE were not ready?

6) Related to this, the buildings on our campus can very soon handle significantly more staff than we have now. This is already true without the other two buildings scheduled for completion in the late fall. However, this extra size works perfectly if the prophecy occurs this year.

7) Also related, but separate, our infrastructure is ready to receive and serve a much larger flock this fall! This includes field ministry being ready, but also other things.

8) Maturing interest from many in the world due to one year of explosive television expansion requires many more laborers in the ministry by this autumn.

DennisCDiehl said...


9) The Restored Church of God is experiencing an AWESOME period of growth and development at this time—in the runup period just prior to the prophecy’s fulfillment. This is putting it mildly! To us, this is powerful indication that we are on the right track for this year—that God is not only pleased with His Church, but that He is helping it get ready.

10) If the prophecy did not happen this year, the remnant would remain another year (or more) undergoing ever worsening false ways. Worse off, they would have a commensurate shorter time to spiritually recover before the Tribulation. Think worse condition, less time to recover.

11) If reunification occurred next year (or any year after), those with God’s Spirit would have one more year cut off from God’s Church. This carries the potential for more to quench the Holy Spirit (I Thes. 5:19) and lose salvation.

12) The readers of the Haggai prophecy announcements (this is #21) who believed them would be the most disillusioned and the biggest candidates to QUIT everything if God did not return His people to one House this year! This would work directly against what God is doing—directly opposite His overall purpose.

13) Further desolation (Hag. 1:11; 2:16-17) from God of the splinter “houses” would practically wipe out the few remaining senior leaders in them. This includes pastors and elders, all of whom are NEEDED TO CARRY OUT THE BIG WORK!

14) The onset of all future years would never come with clarity—with any certainty! Would God leave thousands who are now aware of this prophecy in such a condition? Hardly.

15) Next, for those who will see the value of how to pursue spiritual matters, there is this: After fervently seeking God about it, not one reason the prophecy is off this year ever emerged in the minds of even one of our 16 Headquarters ministers! I (we) have NEVER prayed about, studied over, meditated on, fasted about and counseled with other ministers regarding a subject more than this one—in fact no other subject is even close!

16) Similarly, as questions emerged throughout our pursuit of truth with the many details of the prophecy, so many of these details kept coming clear as direct answers to prayer. And these were often immediate.

17) Recall Haggai 1:13: “Then spoke Haggai the Lord’s messenger in the Lord’s message unto the people…” Haggai is the messenger to God’s people, with what is an all-important message from God. Would not God make clear in such a unique message He describes as “the Lord’s message unto His people” the correct date for action? What kind of message would it be if people did not know WHEN TO CARRY IT OUT?

18) Since the apostasy, God had not wanted the remnant back in His Church, but now He does. He would first reveal the remnant to His leader, then tell him how they would return, and finally that He meant NOW. This was the order in which these things became apparent.

19) Imagine God not revealing the year the remnant is coming—but only the day and month. Vast amounts of time would have been wasted by His leaders studying and preparing for something that was not imminent. Would God put His Church in such a position?

20) Of interest, God revealed to me during ELUL four years ago my role as the modern Joshua.

DennisCDiehl said...


21) Also of interest, I and The Restored Church of God learned about the New Testament remnant last ELUL (August). Let’s ask: Would timing of when we were shown the prophecy not be tied to its unique timing of fulfillment during the very next available ELUL?

22) We might ask: does the DEVIL know the prophecy is on? For those who understand how the devil works—that he counterfeits EVERYTHING God does—a variety of counterfeit theories have recently appeared about how God is going to reunite His people. Should not the devil be expected to do this at the time it would cause the most confusion? You will soon see that most of these theories are coming from men standing on the wrong side of this prophecy.

23) With God’s people split up, it is now almost impossible to do a powerful Work. (This might be the one area where the splinter leaders would agree.) God’s Church is largely stymied in working with both brethren and the world because of the confusion and deception from top leaders about where God’s Church is, who has the truth, who is carrying on after Mr. Armstrong, who is doing the true Work, etc. (Reread #22.) There is no other way to proceed than for God to remove leaders who have lulled with deceit many thousands who were blind (Rev. 3:17) to begin with.

24) World conditions cry out for a big Work NOW!!!—not one or more years from now.

I repeat: There are many more reasons for a 2013 fulfillment, with a few of a personal nature—and others involving God moving miraculously to reveal crucial things at certain times within an extraordinarily complex prophecy that involves hundreds of verses. I have not included all of these reasons because others would likely not accept them as legitimate. They are, however, on MY much longer list (now 56 total). And these reasons stand on bedrock in the eyes of ALL our Headquarters ministers.

Again, some of these other reasons—VERY POWERFUL POINTS—can only be brought out when I go into other scriptures in the final two announcements (these are verses outside Haggai, not yet covered). I will carefully denote these reasons when we come to them. There are at least seven or eight.

Some summary review. Since the prophecy has been revealed, brethren have new knowledge. They know God disagrees with the remnant’s decision that it is not yet time to come together and build His House. With knowledge comes responsibility (Jms. 4:17; Heb. 10:26). Since God revealed the prophecy NOW, He clearly does NOT agree with the remnant NOW. If it were not to be fulfilled this year, He would essentially be agreeing with the very people He just commanded to change and come to work in His Temple. This would make revealing the meaning of Haggai pointless—because it would still not yet be time. Would God do this? No!

The timing of this reunification is wonderful news for you, but terrible news for the leaders of the large organizations. They must continue attacking and lampooning these announcements. You may begin to see a new level of viciousness appear regarding the work of The Restored Church of God—or me"

Dave compulsively god-haunted with fixed delusions of religious they say, and he will get worse and worse as he is ignored and fails to attract what he wants.

DennisCDiehl said...

#10-12,15 and 20 are my favorites.

Interestingly enough?
Yes...enough already!

Those of you who still warm seats at RCG need your own heads examined.

Anonymous said...

>>[20) Of interest, God revealed to me during ELUL four years ago my role as the modern Joshua.

Dave has no faith in himself or God! Thus, the need to convince others to have faith in him is what his game is all about. W.W.Joshua.D. ? Get on with it Dave! If God was actually backing you up, there would be no need for you to only convince others that you are what you think you are.


Anonymous said...

Of interest, 100% of his reasons why he could not be wrong in his ideas were wrong. It's a pattern with Dave's theology

Byker Bob said...

Oy vey! When is this insufferable theological blowhole going to plug it and go away? Obviously, he has no sense of or understanding of the concept of embarrassment.


Anonymous said...

Coming at this from a different angle. I actually love the way Dave superfabulous pack is saying the man of sin is going to come out of the actual COG groups and is in an position of power NOW. The ministry are always bemoaning the peasant brethren don't doff the cap to them anymore and now you have their own kind turning on them.

Anonymous said...

If Pack really believes this b.s. then he is insane. If he doesn't then he is a con-man. So you followers of Pack are either following a con-man or a crazy man.

Anonymous said...

Someone please ask Dave why such long lists, and such vast amounts of verbiage, are supposed to ATTRACT us to him and convince us he's THE ONE chosen to lead for The End Time.

"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." 2 Cor. 11:3

The message is supposed to be SIMPLE, Dave, not one that piles on and piles on until someone says, "Uncle! Okay, I believe it!" AND THEY WON'T EVEN SAY THAT, but rather:

"Oh, this is too much! I'm outa here!" Come to that place, RCGers!

Anonymous said...

Jas 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
Jas 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
Jas 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
Jas 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Jas 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

Anonymous said...

What if Dave finds out HE is the Man of Sin who rose up in the Churches of God? What if he is all three of the foolish shepherds? What if he is NOT really spoken of in the scriptures? What if the Two Witnesses don't know who he is? What if he runs out of points. What if no one thinks what he thinks is "of interest" is not interesting at all? Oh the humanity of it all!

Anonymous said...

Dave reasons like a mental patient who does not realize how they sound to others.

Hoss said...

such vast amounts of verbiage

How many unbelievably lengthy, soporific sermons did Dave take just to announce that he promoted himself to Apostle?

The lengthy list reminds me of the flood of conflicting evidence that poured out of Russia to confuse people out of blaming them in downing flight MH17. And Dave’s pre-suasive questions are reminiscent of the old Bible Correspondence course’s directed questions with (mis)leading comments.

James said...

"Batches of multiple parts (perhaps ten to twelve) will be released once a week."

A regular Wikileaks hey?

"For now, a sobering two-part warning about the soon-coming, enormously powerful Man of Sin is available on this page. Scores of thousands have viewed them. We hear of the growing interest they are generating. Do not miss ANY of these tools—and tell those you love about them!"

Hmmm, is this a politician? It can't be Rod as he is reading himself for his trip to the lake of fire........

"The two witnesses are given unrestricted power to kill on what would be a mass scale"

Is Hitler still alive and has another target for a new holocaust? Stay tuned for more of the Dave Pack comedy show!

Hoss said...

sobering two-part warning

I noticed over the years how COG ministers like to use the words sobering and eye-opening. They're probably accustomed to dealing with sleepy alcoholics.

Anonymous said...

I recall an ex-COG person who seemed pretty reasonable to me, who later talked about Dave Pack-
He later said he'd received Pack's packets of info for prospective members, and after opening his mind "like a parachute" when reading Pack's info, he found Pack's writings to be very persuasive.

The takeaway from this is that the mind does not always function well when open "like a parachute", and that such a jaded juxtaposition can unknowingly damage one's mental health and be counterproductive to one's best interests.

To paraphrase Black Ops Mikey, "Some people want you to have an open mind, so they can shovel their stupid shit into it."

Anonymous said...

Why should members be doffing their caps to the ministers. Most members at this point have outgrown their ministers. The ministers should rightly be doffing their caps to the members.
My suspicion is that the people who joined Daves group, are mostly former WWCGers who believe they have fallen short, and are trying to buy their salvation with generous offerings. Humanly speaking, who can blame them. I think Dave knows, and exploits these members accordingly.

Black Ops Mikey said...

Doesn't anyone blame Herbert Armstrong for all of this?

After all, Herbert Armstrong created a religion of lies and deceptions through the false prophecies based on British Israelism.

Ambassador College was Herbert Armstrong's creation to transform ordinary students into perverse insane misfit ministers dedicated to supporting the crazy selfishness of Herbert Armstrong.

Maybe there was a time when David Pack was sane and normal.

If so, Herbert Armstrong changed all that by putting David Pack (and others) through a rigorous program of brain washing to corrupt the very core integrity of those inducted into the propaganda brainwashing machine guaranteed to induce insanity into the ones exposed to it, transforming them into sociopaths.

According to Dr. James Milam, there's no such thing as mental illness: Either you are ill or you are mental.

David Pack is mental, thanks to Herbert Armstrong.

And who knows, maybe David Pack is also an alcoholic the same as Herbert Armstrong and his family was.

Anonymous said...

134 questions? Classic Dave, twisting scriptures to make him the star of the show and does he really think after the haggai debacle that anyone is going to take him seriously? Not like anyone took him seriously before the haggai debacle- the man has serious mental problems!

Anonymous said...

Meanwhile, Bitter Bob Thiel is apparently going off into new calendar craziness, having dated his latest Pack-related update 10/38/16. At least Pack takes the time to make his stuff appear reasonably professional, which is probably why it can at least briefly hook people as mentioned by Anon 8:27 above. Nobody can read stuff put out by the Almost Arrested Doctor of Dubious Degrees and fail to notice that it is as amateurish as his sermon videos which are as amateurish as his prophecies (which are "possibilities" when they fail, but "I predicted..." when they come to pass).

Byker Bob said...

These guys are giving God a bad name by giving Him credit for all of their false prophecies. Their spirit animals could probably provide more accurate insights. Dave's spirit animal is most likey the shark. I'm thinking he ought to swim with them!


Anonymous said...

So, has anybody read through all of that stuff well enough to answer the obvious question:

Is Dave actually Jesus, or is he just Jesus's best buddy?

Anonymous said...

Anon 4:32 AM wrote:

What if Dave finds out HE is the Man of Sin who rose up in the Churches of God? What if he is all three of the foolish shepherds? What if he is NOT really spoken of in the scriptures? What if the Two Witnesses don't know who he is? What if he runs out of points. What if no one thinks what he thinks is "of interest" is not interesting at all? Oh the humanity of it all!

I find all of these possibilities entirely plausible except "What if he runs out of points."

Anonymous said...

David Pack is really full of it and has diarrhea of the mouth. All his nonsense guesses about what is coming in the future are a waste of his followers' time and money.

If you want to know the PLAIN TRUTH, then just look at what has ALREADY happened on the so-called COG scene.

Garner Ted Armstrong--the tattooed, gambling, fucking hypocrite--taught everyone by his bad example not to take morality seriously.

Then, the apostate Tkaches taught everyone to reject the commandments of God in order to keep the old traditions of wicked men and women--such as Sunday keeping and ham eating.

Next, some false prophets arose to teach utter perverseness.

False prophet Gerald Flurry totally garbled everything that HWA had ever taught, and got his PCG morons to break up their own families, behave worse than unbelievers, and get matched up with old PCG sex perverts.

False prophet David Pack also ended up totally garbling everything that HWA had taught, and totally robbed all his RCG suckers.

False witness and ex-convict Ronald Weinland made up silly prophetic guesses for his prediction addicted morons in his COG-PKG to try to make all prophecy look utterly false and ridiculous.

False prophet Bob Thiel got his CCG morons looking to demons, pagans, and Nigerian scams for the answers.

Now, raging Dave Pack of lies wants to pretend that he cares about people and that he is trying to warn them that some bad men are going to arise on the so-called COG scene in the future and deceive people and do bad things to them.

ATTENTION: The bad people are already here. They have already deceived thousands. They have already robbed thousands. They have already done much evil. David Pack is one of them!!! Dave is the one with the scorched earth policy for his suckers.

Hoss said...

calendar craziness

The date typo has been corrected. As Byker Bob said, blogs like this are for troubleshooting COGs.

it is as amateurish

When I read Bob's material or hear a sermon, he reminds me of myself and the criticism I received. That's a problem with being a Prophet and a One-man Band, he needs some staff to take care of proofreading, script writing, and other production tasks. Some of Dave's best material is ghostwritten.

Anonymous said...

ATTENTION: The bad people are already here. They have already deceived thousands. They have already robbed thousands. They have already done much evil. David Pack is one of them!!! Dave is the one with the scorched earth policy for his suckers.

This is true, Dave has no use for anyone who cannot help move along his plan in one form or another. One day you can be the best thing ever to come along in his Church, the next, if you don't tow the line, cast away as an unclean thing.

Anonymous said...

7.04 PM well put.