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With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
"Protestants" and most actual Christian religions, who have been around for the last 2000 years of "Soon", "shortly" "Behold I come quickly," "The time now is" and such, learned long ago the folly of trying to figure out events that supposedly lead up to the Second Coming. The switch to going to heaven at death reflects the fact that "We shall not all die" and "we who are alive and remain" all died. ALL of them. The Kingdom of God shifted to a combination of hope in heaven at death with a Second Coming whenever, no problem, we're fine already. At least that's the Presbyterian view.
I was drawn to WCG because the faith of my youth did not address all the promises of The Second Coming, which WCG read as if written last week for us and of course were not. That part I failed to recognize for years. It took me years to recognize the fact that the NT was wrong about this topic big time.
Dave and others are reinventing the wheel of failed Bible prophecy, taking scripture out of context or not recognizing the NT predictions failed as well. . At least admit that Paul, Peter, James and John were mistaken in their own views of Jesus return and life went on without them. Pack and Flurry are going to learn that lesson as will those members who insist they are right when they are not.
Dave's tendency to tell an audience how they feel, electrified, on fire, gyrating in their seats is telling. His point is that he is seeing more of the opposite and is manipulating the doubters and , God forbid, scoffers, or rather noticers into not jumping ship a high cost to them. Actually it would save them from drowning in Dave's sea of BS.
No Jesus is going to return in any of these tale weavers or our own lifetime. Probably never as it was a hope of those who wrote the scriptures when perhaps who or whatever the original Jesus was got himself crucified like all before him for thinking to provide a King or Messiah along Jewish lines other than Caesar. That was probably not supposed to happen. Apologetics followed and became what we see today as Christianity.
Protestants also learned long ago the Book of Revelation was a failed first century prophecy for the Jews and Jewish Christians trapped in Jerusalem during the Roman siege of Jerusalem and never meant for today. The Romans won that one too.
Pack does this all the time, he prefaces and closes often with a call to action never to leave the church. He uses the tactic most cults use:A Claim to Exclusive Knowledge. He's like a politician, he's stirring up his base in his "campaign" he has made promises to the membership and on "God's" behalf offered things to the membership. But it's not an election he is a tyrant trying to amass roles and gravitas while pleasing the crowd and telling them that they too will play a role and have gifts and powers.
Another tactic used is that once someone of prominence leaves: Pack attacks defectors and discredits them. I've sat right in front of Dave Pack as he yelled and spit profusely while bashing and discrediting ministers he knew were admired by the church. He did this so strategically. Most of these ministers would leave quietly. But that never stopped him from attacking anyway, and i'm 100% this can be backed up by any former member who reads this blog. It was common practice.
Finally ive realized why this church continues to thrive despite the many failed prophecies as i watch the church videos and behind the work i see that the high-rate turnover of employees and membership continues and so that further solidifies this next point:
"If a group has a timetable for the apocalypse, it will likely be two to five years away—far enough not to be discredited any time soon, but near enough to carry emotional punch. In many cults, these predictions have a way of fading into the background as the big date approaches. In other groups, the timetable is believed right until it actually fails to come true. Often the leader just issues a new timetable that moves the big event up a few years. After he does this a few times, a few long-term members may become cynical. Of course, by then there is a whole set of new members who are unaware that the leader has been shifting the timetable."
The only thing that might end RCG is the death of Pack, and even then, i can see someone like Bradford Schleifer taking the helm, he is #2 now that his son in law and Jeff Ambrose has ejected themselves from the cult life.
But let it be known these men are not motivated by love and concern for the flock, these men have access to cars, houses on the campus, a salary that is sweet! Are able to travel, and they enjoy the praise and spotlight being around Pack and praised by him. Though these men act like they are support beams for Pack they are waiting for him to fall so they can take his place. They are literally waiting for his demise. This is human nature if what happened to Armstrong isn't any clue than u have to be stupid not to see history repeating itself.
"Oh, all this God fact is now long gone" is the ending caption. Does that mean the return of the Son of Man was not imminent after all? And if His return didn't happen recently as predicted, has the thunderstorm hit the RCG yet and with it the bolting of rabbits everywhere?
The talking points in this clip bring back memories. When Mr. Pack equated himself as Christ a few years back and ministers and members were leaving, he stated the next Sabbath that all of those leaving have now lost the Holy Spirit or have a very little bit left and have given up salvation - hint, hint, hint to those still here.
In just this little two+ minute snippet lets look at the talking points Mr. Pack uses to try and keep his rabbits caged.
1. Try to explain (scriptures) any other way 2. (scriptures) are plain black and white 3. (scriptures) bone crushing strong 4. If you don't believe, you are not a Christian 5. " " " " , you are a worldly Christian 6. " " " " , you are worse than a protestant 7. " " " " " " , you are worse than worldly Christians 8. You have been shown! 9. If you leave, you will go to a place of many questions and no answers. 10. If you leave - you know what is coming! 11. You heard and rejected!
Those eleven statements by Mr. Pack only encompass two of a possible twenty thousand minutes that he has poured into the minds of his caged rabbits in just this latest prophecy series alone. Those eleven statements mirror Jim Jones' final message in that Mr. Pack is conveying to his audience the same thing - there is nowhere to go and there is nowhere out!
The only difference between the two are: Jim Jones led his people into a tragic physical death and Dave Pack is leading his people into a tragic spiritual death!
What strikes me is that all the prophesy talk bares no relevance to everyday living. There's nothing of practical value in such sermons. Such sermons are like the Roman Colosseum. Keep the troops entertained with endless prophesy speculation. And whatever you do, don't feed the troops spiritual meat, cause then they'll see through the bull, the minister immaturity, and simply leave.
I believe from what I've seen that Pack has the power and ability to do a Jim Jones. I live with a member of his group and this person has his nose so far up he literally can't see it anymore. I sincerely believe that if he got a call to get somewhere by a certain time, this person would be packed and on his way in about 5 minutes. These people who were waiting for the angels to come get them last Tuesday night for the rapture are the same people who would drink the koolaid.
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"Protestants" and most actual Christian religions, who have been around for the last 2000 years of "Soon", "shortly" "Behold I come quickly," "The time now is" and such, learned long ago the folly of trying to figure out events that supposedly lead up to the Second Coming. The switch to going to heaven at death reflects the fact that "We shall not all die" and "we who are alive and remain" all died. ALL of them. The Kingdom of God shifted to a combination of hope in heaven at death with a Second Coming whenever, no problem, we're fine already. At least that's the Presbyterian view.
I was drawn to WCG because the faith of my youth did not address all the promises of The Second Coming, which WCG read as if written last week for us and of course were not. That part I failed to recognize for years. It took me years to recognize the fact that the NT was wrong about this topic big time.
Dave and others are reinventing the wheel of failed Bible prophecy, taking scripture out of context or not recognizing the NT predictions failed as well. . At least admit that Paul, Peter, James and John were mistaken in their own views of Jesus return and life went on without them. Pack and Flurry are going to learn that lesson as will those members who insist they are right when they are not.
Dave's tendency to tell an audience how they feel, electrified, on fire, gyrating in their seats is telling. His point is that he is seeing more of the opposite and is manipulating the doubters and , God forbid, scoffers, or rather noticers into not jumping ship a high cost to them. Actually it would save them from drowning in Dave's sea of BS.
No Jesus is going to return in any of these tale weavers or our own lifetime. Probably never as it was a hope of those who wrote the scriptures when perhaps who or whatever the original Jesus was got himself crucified like all before him for thinking to provide a King or Messiah along Jewish lines other than Caesar. That was probably not supposed to happen. Apologetics followed and became what we see today as Christianity.
Protestants also learned long ago the Book of Revelation was a failed first century prophecy for the Jews and Jewish Christians trapped in Jerusalem during the Roman siege of Jerusalem and never meant for today. The Romans won that one too.
Pack does this all the time, he prefaces and closes often with a call to action never to leave the church. He uses the tactic most cults use: A Claim to Exclusive Knowledge. He's like a politician, he's stirring up his base in his "campaign" he has made promises to the membership and on "God's" behalf offered things to the membership. But it's not an election he is a tyrant trying to amass roles and gravitas while pleasing the crowd and telling them that they too will play a role and have gifts and powers.
Another tactic used is that once someone of prominence leaves: Pack attacks defectors and discredits them. I've sat right in front of Dave Pack as he yelled and spit profusely while bashing and discrediting ministers he knew were admired by the church. He did this so strategically. Most of these ministers would leave quietly. But that never stopped him from attacking anyway, and i'm 100% this can be backed up by any former member who reads this blog. It was common practice.
Finally ive realized why this church continues to thrive despite the many failed prophecies as i watch the church videos and behind the work i see that the high-rate turnover of employees and membership continues and so that further solidifies this next point:
"If a group has a timetable for the apocalypse, it will likely be two to five years away—far enough not to be discredited any time soon, but near enough to carry emotional punch. In many cults, these predictions have a way of fading into the background as the big date approaches. In other groups, the timetable is believed right until it actually fails to come true. Often the leader just issues a new timetable that moves the big event up a few years. After he does this a few times, a few long-term members may become cynical. Of course, by then there is a whole set of new members who are unaware that the leader has been shifting the timetable."
The only thing that might end RCG is the death of Pack, and even then, i can see someone like Bradford Schleifer taking the helm, he is #2 now that his son in law and Jeff Ambrose has ejected themselves from the cult life.
But let it be known these men are not motivated by love and concern for the flock, these men have access to cars, houses on the campus, a salary that is sweet! Are able to travel, and they enjoy the praise and spotlight being around Pack and praised by him. Though these men act like they are support beams for Pack they are waiting for him to fall so they can take his place. They are literally waiting for his demise. This is human nature if what happened to Armstrong isn't any clue than u have to be stupid not to see history repeating itself.
If everyone is “electrified”, then what the hell are you talking about? No one outside RCG is listening to your bullshit.
"Oh, all this God fact is now long gone" is the ending caption. Does that mean the return of the Son of Man was not imminent after all? And if His return didn't happen recently as predicted, has the thunderstorm hit the RCG yet and with it the bolting of rabbits everywhere?
The talking points in this clip bring back memories. When Mr. Pack equated himself as Christ a few years back and ministers and members were leaving, he stated the next Sabbath that all of those leaving have now lost the Holy Spirit or have a very little bit left and have given up salvation - hint, hint, hint to those still here.
In just this little two+ minute snippet lets look at the talking points Mr. Pack uses to try and keep his rabbits caged.
1. Try to explain (scriptures) any other way
2. (scriptures) are plain black and white
3. (scriptures) bone crushing strong
4. If you don't believe, you are not a Christian
5. " " " " , you are a worldly Christian
6. " " " " , you are worse than a protestant
7. " " " " " " , you are worse than worldly Christians
8. You have been shown!
9. If you leave, you will go to a place of many questions and
no answers.
10. If you leave - you know what is coming!
11. You heard and rejected!
Those eleven statements by Mr. Pack only encompass two of a possible twenty thousand minutes that he has poured into the minds of his caged rabbits in just this latest prophecy series alone. Those eleven statements mirror Jim Jones' final message in that Mr. Pack is conveying to his audience the same thing - there is nowhere to go and there is nowhere out!
The only difference between the two are: Jim Jones led his people into a tragic physical death and Dave Pack is leading his people into a tragic spiritual death!
611 very good observations and info. Nicely spoken
Can you tell us more about this? I'd love to find out some additional
information.
What strikes me is that all the prophesy talk bares no relevance to everyday living. There's nothing of practical value in such sermons.
Such sermons are like the Roman Colosseum. Keep the troops entertained with endless prophesy speculation.
And whatever you do, don't feed the troops spiritual meat, cause then they'll see through the bull, the minister immaturity, and simply leave.
I believe from what I've seen that Pack has the power and ability to do a Jim Jones. I live with a member of his group and this person has his nose so far up he literally can't see it anymore. I sincerely believe that if he got a call to get somewhere by a certain time, this person would be packed and on his way in about 5 minutes. These people who were waiting for the angels to come get them last Tuesday night for the rapture are the same people who would drink the koolaid.
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