Sunday, June 27, 2021

The Irreconcilable Breach Between Sabbatarian Christians and Sunday Christians


 

Sabbatarian Christians vs Sunday Christians


In my last post, we established that there were two varieties of Christianity extant in the First Century - one which adhered to Jewish laws, rituals, and traditions and another which did not. We observed how Christ's original apostles and his brother James came to lead and represent the Jewish branch of the faith, and how Paul came to represent and lead the Gentile branch of the faith. We also looked at a great deal of evidence which suggested the presence of tensions (and even open hostility) between the two branches at various times. Nevertheless, although the question of whether an irreconcilable breach developed between the two camps was discussed in some of the commentary which followed that post's publishing on Banned by HWA, I felt that it would be instructive for many of the former and current Armstrongites who make up my audience to directly address that topic in another post.


For, while it may be clear that the arguments between Torah Christians and Sunday Christians began in the First Century, it may not be as clear to us exactly when the two perspectives diverged enough that they began to regard each other as not representing a legitimate variety of their shared faith in Christ. Today, of course, we take it for granted that Sunday Christians regard Sabbatarian Christians as heretical and vice versa; but our examination of the evidence in the previous post implies that that was not always the case. Moreover, tracing the historical origins of this breach has a much more practical application than merely satisfying our intellectual curiosity about it, we intuitively comprehend that a better understanding of those events will help us to clarify our own thinking on the subject and make us more tolerant of each other going forward.

For starters, it is critical that we understand that these two branches of the Christian faith arose as a natural consequence of its expansion - NOT as some grand Satanic conspiracy of the Roman emperor and church! It is indisputable that Christ, his apostles (including Paul) and the earliest Christians were Jewish (encompassing all that that designation suggests like circumcision, Sabbath and Holy Day observances, the Temple at Jerusalem, synagogues, clean and unclean meats, etc.). After the previous post in this series, it should also be apparent that Gentile Christians did not have this background, and that the overwhelming majority of them NEVER adopted those Jewish laws, rituals and traditions.

 

However, just as the accounts which we have in the Christian canon demonstrate the genesis of the two branches of the Christian faith and give us a window into some of the tensions and hostilities which developed between the two camps, they also demonstrate that most of these early Christians tried very hard to tolerate and accommodate each other. Hence, the question arises: When did the breach between these two branches of the Christian faith become irreconcilable?


In attempting to answer that question, most biblical scholars and students try very hard not to project our own experiences, views, and prejudices onto the people and events of the past. Unfortunately, despite our best efforts, we are often not successful in this regard.

At the end of my last post, I referenced a number of biblical scholars whom I believe have made significant contributions to our understanding of First Century Christianity. One of those scholars, a professor by the name of James Tabor (who was formerly associated with Armstrong's Ambassador College), was particularly helpful in summarizing many of the findings which some of our finest modern scholars have contributed to our understanding of this period of Christian history. Even so, in reviewing the same evidence, I also find myself in disagreement with some of Professor Tabor's answers to our question about the timing of the irreconcilable breach.


In his book Paul and Jesus, Tabor contended that the irreconcilable breach happened in the lifetime of the apostles (Paul, Peter, James and John). Tabor sets up his final chapter (The "Battle of the Apostles") with some remarks about Paul's views of the Torah. He concluded that "it should not surprise us that Paul ended up in a bitter struggle with Peter, James, and the original apostles, who claimed to faithfully carry on the message of Jesus." Tabor continued: "We have only Paul's side of that conflict, and his decisive break with Jerusalem is glossed over in Acts, but there is enough evidence still to piece together the story."


Is that true? Did Peter, James, and Paul end their lives as "bitter rivals" - as suggested by Tabor?

While my previous post suggests my broad agreement with the scholarly narrative about the differences which existed between the Jewish and Gentile varieties of early Christianity (and the eventual triumph of the Pauline Gentile variety), I do NOT believe that the evidence points to an irreconcilable break in the time of the apostles. Once again, both accounts of the Jerusalem Council (Acts and Galatians) reflect the fact that some kind of accommodation was reached between the two branches of the faith. Moreover, I don't buy Tabor's contention that Paul's theology was so radically different (in conjunction with the evidence provided by Paul's second epistle to the saints of Corinth and James more general epistle) that it eventually proved to be the death knell for that "understanding" reached at Jerusalem. In other words, while I believe that the evidence demonstrates tensions (which on occasion bubbled to the surface as open hostility) existed between Paul and the original apostles, I don't believe the evidence supports the proposition that those differences ever provoked a clean break between the apostles.

 

In terms of Tabor's assertions about just how radically different Paul's theology was from the Jerusalem apostles, an example will demonstrate my departure from Tabor's narrative. Tabor asserted that Paul's understanding of the Eucharist was very different from that of the Jewish apostles. According to him, the three earliest gospels (Mark, Matthew, and Luke) derived their accounts of the Last Supper from Paul. He reasoned that, because Paul's account of the Last Supper in his first epistle to the saints at Corinth (see I Corinthians 10:16-21 and 11:23-20) predated the finished gospel accounts by ten to twenty years. it is clear that they derived their narratives from him.


For the sake of argument, we will set aside the fact that Tabor himself admits that those three gospel accounts were derived in part from earlier sources and focus instead on his "evidence" for an alternative narrative regarding the Last Supper. He pointed out that John's gospel didn't mention the bread and the wine in its narrative about that event, and that The Didache seems to present a different understanding of the symbolism surrounding those elements. Hence, in fairness to Tabor and the integrity of our search for the truth, we must examine both of these documents to ascertain whether or not they support his narrative about Paul's Last Supper.


First, while it is true that the gospel attributed to John does not include the elements of the bread and the wine in its account of the Last Supper (see John 13), we must not forget that "Paul's elements" are an integral part of this gospel's narrative. In fact, as part of the account of Christ's message to his disciples that evening, Jesus is said to have referred to himself as "the true grapevine" (see John 15:1-8, NLT). According to this account, he went on to tell them that "apart from me you can do nothing" (the clear implication being that Christ is the vine that makes their salvation possible). Moreover, we should also remember that using grapevines and their fruit in such a symbolic manner was not foreign to either Jews or Jewish Christians as Tabor seems to imply (see Genesis 49:11 and Revelation 14). But what about the bread?

Earlier in that same Gospel, we read that Christ declared: "I am that bread of life. Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." (John 6:48-51, KJV) And, lest there be any doubt that John's gospel is placing the exact same language which Paul and the other gospels employed in Christ's mouth, the account continues: "The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever." (John 6:52-58, KJV)

 

What about The Didache? In the section of that document dealing with the Eucharist, we read: "Now concerning the Eucharist, give thanks this way. First, concerning the cup: We thank thee, our Father, for the holy vine of David Thy servant, which You madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever. And concerning the broken bread: We thank Thee, our Father, for the life and knowledge which You madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever. Even as this broken bread was scattered over the hills, and was gathered together and became one, so let Thy Church be gathered together from the ends of the earth into Thy kingdom; for Thine is the glory and the power through Jesus Christ for ever..But let no one eat or drink of your Eucharist, unless they have been baptized into the name of the Lord; for concerning this also the Lord has said, "Give not that which is holy to the dogs." So, we clearly have the elements of the bread and wine included in this early "Jewish Christian" account of the teachings of the apostles.

 

Moreover, lest there be any doubt about the symbolism being tied to Jesus Christ, these instructions were followed by a Eucharist prayer to be used in Christian worship services. We read: "But after you are filled, give thanks this way: We thank Thee, holy Father, for Thy holy name which You didst cause to tabernacle in our hearts, and for the knowledge and faith and immortality, which You modest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever. Thou, Master almighty, didst create all things for Thy name's sake; You gavest food and drink to men for enjoyment, that they might give thanks to Thee; but to us You didst freely give spiritual food and drink and life eternal through Thy Servant. Before all things we thank Thee that You are mighty; to Thee be the glory for ever. Remember, Lord, Thy Church, to deliver it from all evil and to make it perfect in Thy love, and gather it from the four winds, sanctified for Thy kingdom which Thou have prepared for it; for Thine is the power and the glory for ever. Let grace come, and let this world pass away. Hosanna to the God (Son) of David! If any one is holy, let him come; if any one is not so, let him repent. Maranatha. Amen." Hence, we can see that both John's gospel and The Didache employed the same kind of language and symbolism with regard to the Eucharist/Last Supper which Paul and the other gospels used in their accounts of those events.

 

Well, maybe they weren't as far apart in their theology as Tabor suggested, but what about the evidence he cited from Paul's second letter to the Corinthians and James' general epistle? Let's begin our evaluation of Professor Tabor's evidence by addressing Paul's second epistle to the saints of Corinth.

 

However, before we address the actual language of this second epistle to the Corinthians, I would like to remind my readers that Paul was not bashful about naming names in either his first epistle to the Corinthians (see I Corinthians 1:11-12) or his letter to the saints of Galatia. In fact, while expressing his anger over a similar situation (Jewish Christians trying to require his converts to observe the tenets of the Torah) at Galatia, Paul says that he had to confront Peter over his behavior. (see Galatians 2:11-14)Hence, as almost all biblical scholars acknowledge this second epistle to the saints of Corinth as one of the undisputed writings of the apostle, it seems odd that Paul never mentioned Peter, James and John in connection with his angry rant about "false" and "super" apostles. (see II Corinthians 11 and 12) Thus, while it is clear that the false apostles which he was referring to in this passage were Jewish Christians (see II Corinthians 11:22), it is also clear that Paul was employing hyperbolic language to defend his own apostolic office and authority. In other words, he was only interested in their claims in so far as they related to his own claims vis-à-vis the Corinthians. And, finally, if this is the evidence of a final split between the leading figures of the two branches of the Christian Church, we must insist that some explanation be forthcoming in relation to the fact that Paul was soliciting an offering on behalf of those Jewish Christians in the passages immediately preceding these. (see II Corinthians 9, NLT)

 

Now, we come at last to the epistle of James. First, it should be noted that most biblical scholars either attribute this writing to the brother of Jesus by that name, or some anonymous person writing in his name (and I concur with this conclusion). Hence, I would not dispute Tabor's assertion that this letter is connected to that leader of the Jewish Christians mentioned in the account of the Jerusalem Council recorded in the book of Acts. However, when the professor goes on to imply that the epistle's references to faith without works and controlling one's tongue was really directed at the apostle Paul, we are forced to ask where's the evidence for supposing this? After all, the author of the epistle states that he is addressing "the twelve tribes - Jewish believers scattered abroad." (see James 1:1, NLT)


In fact, it is here that Tabor's narrative about the breach demands the greatest leap of faith. He implies that James and Paul are being very careful to cover up their breach, and that other writers of the period have conspired to conceal the breach. I will simply state what others before me have observed: The claim of such an extraordinary conspiracy requires extraordinary proof! Following this line of reasoning, we are led to believe that the statement in the second epistle attributed to Peter was written to further this conspiracy. (see II Peter 3:15-16)

Finally, although the New Testament is devoid of any mention of the fate of these men, tradition informs us that Peter, James and Paul all suffered martyrdom as a consequence of their faith in Jesus Christ. Hence, while I accept much of Tabor's narrative about the differences between Paul's brand of Christianity and the one practiced by Peter and James, I simply do not believe that the evidence supports an irreconcilable breach between the men. While I see ample evidence of the tensions (and sometimes open hostility) between these men, I do not see the proof that they died enemies.


On the contrary, both from the perspective of the New Testament and the writings of the generations which followed them, it appears that the irreconcilable breach between the two branches of Christianity happened sometime after the deaths of these men. And, while I am confident that the Roman suppressions of the Jewish rebellions and subsequent persecution of them exacerbated the tensions and animosities which were already apparent between the two groups, it is clear to me that the thing most responsible for that final breach was a hardening of attitudes within the groups themselves. Over time, many of the folks within both camps simply decided that the folks in the other camp had strayed too far from the principles of their faith to continue to be regarded as brothers in Christ!

 

In this respect, Herbert Armstrong and his followers have been very much like the Jewish Christians still extant at the close of the First Century and the beginning of the Second Century. They have decided that they are keeping the flame of the "original" Christian Church alive, and that Protestants and Catholics are all apostates - not really Christians at all! Likewise, many Catholic and Protestant Christians see their Sabbatarian brethren in exactly the same light - heretics that cannot really be considered Christians!

However, after a careful examination of the evidence available to us, I am hopeful that modern Christians will take a page out of the playbook of those First Century Christians. I'm hopeful that the Christians of our day will remember a time when Jewish and Gentile Christians not only tolerated each other, but also sought to accommodate each other's practice of their shared faith in Jesus Christ. What do you think?


***I know that this is a long treatise, but James Tabor did write an entire book on the subject! Moreover, I don't think that anyone who is truly interested in the subject will mind the longer post (and I am willing to discuss the thesis presented here in even more detail for those who may be interested in doing so). Thank you for your time and attention!***  

By Lonnie Hendrix

71 comments:

Anonymous said...

The breach is perceived irreconcilable between Sabbatarian Christians and Sunday "Christians" but not irreconcilable between Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians. The Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians all observed the Saturday sabbath as well as the Sabbatarian Christians but Sunday "Christians" are not Christians.

Anonymous said...

Sabbath Keepers always misquote Matthew 5:17 as a proof text, that the Sabbath will endure as long as the earth stands. Simply stated, the passage says that Jesus came to fulfill the whole law (moral and ceremonial) and that none of the law would be abolished until it was fulfilled. Armstrongites take an incredible position that Jesus did not fulfill the law! Sabbatarians also press the expression, "not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law" as a proof text that the Sabbath is in force today! The problem is, this expression, as Jesus used it, included the whole Law of Moses including animal sacrifices. If "jot or tittle" is still in force today, then we must have both the Sabbath and animal sacrifices! Logic has never been a strong point with Church of God leaders!

Hoss said...

the whole Law of Moses including animal sacrifices

A Protestant pastor asked me what Jews do about 'animal sacrifices' (not all Korban involved animals, some were grain). I told him the only place Korban were permitted was in the Temple in Jerusalem. And if you didn't live in Eretz Israel, you aren't required to travel to Jerusalem for the pilgrimage festivals. Or tithe. He said he never knew that... I guess a lot of people don't.
There may be some issues with COGs when the Third Temple is built.
Orthodox Jews try to keep "the whole Law" the best they can under the present circumstances.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Sabbath Keepers always misquote Matthew 5:17 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] as a proof text, that the Sabbath will endure as long as the earth stands. Simply stated, the passage says that Jesus came to fulfill the whole law (moral and ceremonial) and that none of the law would be abolished until it was fulfilled. Armstrongites take an incredible position that Jesus did not fulfill the law! Sabbatarians also press the expression, "not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law" as a proof text that the Sabbath is in force today! The problem is, this expression, as Jesus used it, included the whole Law of Moses including animal sacrifices. If "jot or tittle" is still in force today, then we must have both the Sabbath and animal sacrifices! Logic has never been a strong point with Church of God leaders!
June 27, 2021 at 6:51 PM

6:51 clearly has no comprehension of the old or new covenants.

LCG Expositor said...

Anonymous said . . . Simply stated, the passage says that Jesus came to fulfill the whole law (moral and ceremonial) and that none of the law would be abolished until it was fulfilled.

Wrong, antinomian-breath. The word “fulfilled” in verse 18 is a completely different word than the word “fulfill” in verse 17. In verse 17, the Greek word is pleroo, and it means to fill to the full, to the brim, which is, of course, what Jesus proceeded to do in this sermon on the mount when He talks about how it is not just wrong to murder, it is wrong to hate. How it is not just wrong to commit adultery, it is wrong to lust. He was filling out the law to its fullness, the state of mind, not just actions. But in verse 18, the Greek word is ginomai, a completely different Greek word. It seems that some people who don’t really like the law of God try to say, well, the law is in force until everything is fulfilled, and Jesus came to fulfill, so the law is no longer in place. Wrong, wrong, wrong. The two fulfills are completely different words. Verse 17 is pleroo and verse 18 is ginomai, which means to come to pass, to accomplish, to be finished, and has nothing to do with “filled to the brim”. The KJV and the NKJV did us a disservice here. It is a mistranslation. One that has deceived people into thinking that Jesus came to fulfill the law, therefore the law of God has been fulfilled and is no longer in force. That is not true. The NIV reads: “until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished”. Nearly all the other translations say the same thing: “until everything takes place” “until everything has been done” “till that all may come to pass”. So, as long as heaven and earth remain, and as long as there are more things to occur in God’s plan, the law remains. As for “jots and tittles”, that’s the written law (as opposed to Jewish traditions), it will not pass. That’s the first thing Jesus said before he even launched into his sermon on the mount; He established that no matter what He might say, the law of God remains in place. And the Ten Commandments are the foundation of the law of God.

Anonymous said...

We must attend Sabbath services. God did not create the Sabbath just so His people could stay at home. We must keep the Sabbath because Jesus wanted us to obey his commandments. Anyone who says he knows God but does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.

Anonymous said...

The commandments of Jesus are often DISTINCT from the ten commandments!

Jn 15:10-12 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love. "These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full. "This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.

1 Cor 14:37 "If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord's commandment." Specifically in the context, the prophet's wives were forbidden to ask questions in the assembly. This was called the Lord's commandment, clearly not one of the 10 commandments!

Mt 28:20 "teaching them to observe all that I commanded you". This certainly would include baptism and the Lord's supper!
John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. This commandment was not part of the 10 commandments! 2 John 5 says, "And now I ask you, lady, not as writing to you a new commandment, but the one which we have had from the beginning, that we love one another." 1 John 1:1 proves that the beginning was not the garden of Eden, but the words of Jesus in 33 AD. Notice that when Jesus introduced this commandment in 33 A.D. it was new. But John in about 95 AD said it was not new, since Jesus was the originator. When Sabbatarians try to say "love one another" was a summary of part of the ten commandments, the contradict Jesus who said it was NEW!

2 Pet 3:2 "that you should remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles"

Jesus said the greatest commandment was not part of the 10! Mt 22:36-40 (Too bad for Sabbatarians: Great place for Jesus to quote the Sabbath law!)

Matthew 22:36-40 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "The second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

Earl's comment on NEO's recent post here is an excellent statement of the theological problems that confront Armstrongites:

Earl wrote:

"But, acts 15 regards not just circumcision as the cogs teach but also the Law. It expressly says so. Further, the council of acts 15 admits that Israel has been unable to fulfill the burden themselves. The burden is obviously not just circumcision as every Hebrew there was circumcised. The Jews were very successful in circumcising their male population, so the burden that they could not keep was not just circumcision; it was the law. The council’s conclusion is that the gentiles were not instructed to keep the Law.

The cogs claim Christ, but they don’t believe salvation is possible outside also keeping the law. Of course the cogs aren’t law keepers either as they only keep some of the law.

Though it is weird to think that the cogs would say you can theoretically be saved without Christ through perfect law keeping, but you can’t be saved through faith in Christ without keeping the Law. This is a fundamental problem."

Anonymous 6/27 @ 9:41,

Thanks for your beautiful demonstration of the point I was making in this post!

--Lonnie

Anonymous said...

Armstrongites will falsely argue that since the Ten Commandments were written in stone, that proves they will never be abolished!

We merely ask, then where was Adam's stone copy of the 10 commandments?

Why did God not give Adam a stone copy once for all time?

Why is it that Moses was first person in history to not only see the 10 commandments, but the first person to hold the stone tablets upon which the 10 commandments were written?

Why do Armstrongists argue that the ten commandment law is no longer written in stone, but in the flesh of the human heart in 2 Corinthians 3:3? (Of course 2 Cor 3:3 says the 10 commandments were abolished and the new Covenant, the law of Christ is written on human hearts)

Anonymous said...

Clearly written by someone who never deals with Sunday keeping Christians in real life and doesn't get it on being converted.

Anonymous said...

The Patriarchs never kept the Sabbath!

150AD JUSTIN: Moreover, all those righteous men already mentioned [after mentioning Adam. Abel, Enoch, Lot, Noah, Melchizedek, and Abraham], though they kept no Sabbaths, were pleasing to God; and after them Abraham with all his descendants until Moses... And you [fleshly Jews] were commanded to keep Sabbaths, that you might retain the memorial of God. For His word makes this announcement, saying, "That you may know that I am God who redeemed you." (Dialogue With Trypho the Jew, 150-165 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, page 204)

200AD TERTULLIAN: Let him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day because of threat of death, teach us that in earliest times righteous men kept Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and so were made friends of God. .. ...Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised, and inobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering Him sacrifices, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was by Him commended... Noah also, uncircumcised - yes, and inobservant of the Sabbath - God freed from the deluge. For Enoch, too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, He translated from this world... Melchizedek also, "the priest of most high God," uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was chosen to the priesthood of God. (An Answer to the Jews 2:10; 4:1, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 3, page 153)

Anonymous said...

The 10 commandments or Sabbath law did not exist before Moses

The word "Sabbath" is not found in the book of Genesis!

The very first thing written on the stones tells us this! Obviously then, this law was something new. Deut 5:6 'I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me.

Fathers prior to Egypt did not keep the Sabbath: Deut 5:2-3 "The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today."

No one prior to the Exodus from Egypt (Ex 16) even knew about the Sabbath law: Ezek 20:10-12 "So I took them out of the land of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. 11 "And I gave them My statutes and informed them of My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live. 12 "And also I gave them My Sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them. 13 "But the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness. They did not walk in My statutes, and they rejected My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live; and My Sabbaths they greatly profaned."
Sabbatarians argue that since "Sabbaths" in Ezek 20:10-12 is plural it cannot refer to the weekly Sabbath: Wrong: The weekly Sabbath is plural in: Ex 31:13,17. Both singular and plural are used for the weekly Sabbath: Lev 19:3; 23:38; Isa 56:2,4; Mt 12:5; 12:10; Acts 17:2

God revealed "made known" the Sabbath law at Sinai, He did not remind them. Nehemiah 9:13-14 "You came down also on Mount Sinai, and spoke with them from heaven, and gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. You made known to them Your holy Sabbath, and commanded them precepts, statutes and laws, by the hand of Moses Your servant." This verse is bad news for Sabbatarians!

Gal 3:17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later (after Abraham)
First Occurrence of the word "Sabbath" - Exodus 16:22-23 And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. Then he said to them, 'This is what the Lord has said: 'Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning. The text in verse 23-30 indicates that this was a new experience for Israel. They were not used to keeping the Sabbath before this time.


The ten commandments were first given when Moses face shone: Ex 34:27-28; 2 Cor 3

If they had the Sabbath before Ex 16, then they just as likely had the manna before as well. Yet Sabbatarians freely admit that the manna was something new for them. Yet when we look at the text, the Jews were equally unfamiliar with BOTH manna and the Sabbath.

Anonymous said...

There is no record or even hint that anyone prior to Ex 16 kept the Sabbath: Yet the Patriarchs were instructed regarding:

offerings: Gen 4:3-4
Altars Gen 8:20
Priests: Gen 14:18
Tithes: Gen 14:20
Circumcision: Gen 17:10
Marriage: Gen 2:24 & Gen 34:9

Why would God leave out the "all important" Sabbath command???

Anonymous said...

Sabbath was not sanctified until after God rested: Gen 2:2; Ex 20:11

First God rested, then AFTER HE RESTED then He sanctified it. This proves that the Sabbath was not part of God's eternal law in heaven prior to creation!

The Bible no where says WHEN he sanctified it, just that it was after God rested.

Even if God did sanctify the Sabbath day in Eden, God still did not revealed the Sabbath in Eden because there is absolutely no evidence that anyone kept the Sabbath prior to Ex 16.

Gen 2:2 tells us the reason, not the time that God sanctified the Sabbath.

Genesis was written during the time of Moses, not before. Neither Adam or Abraham had the book of Genesis! For the first time God told the Jews in the wilderness about the Sabbath!

Christ was chosen as the sacrificial lamb from before the foundation of the world, ( 1 Pe 1:20; 2 Tim 1:9) but did not revealed to man some time later, (at least 6 days) and then only after man ate the tree of life. Specific details were not revealed for some 4000 years until Christ walked the earth. In fact God set Jesus apart as the sacrifice for man long before God actually GAVE His son.

Anonymous said...

The Sabbath would be unsuitable for Adam while in the Garden of Eden:

Work and labour only existed after Adam sinned: Gen 3:19

"strangers with your gates, servants" make no sense in the garden regarding the Sabbath

The only two commandments God gave Adam were to keep the garden Gen 2:5 and not eat the forbidden fruit.

Anonymous said...

Typical case of how Sabbatarians try to prove the 10 commandments existed before Moses. Here is their favorite proof text: "because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws." " (Genesis 26:5)

Now the first mistake is that every time they see "my commandments" they assume it is the ten commandments.

Ok lets run with this for a minute. Assume they are right. Then what does My statutes and My laws refer to? Well the ceremonial law of Moses of course!

If "my commandments" refers the to 10 commandments, then My statutes and My laws refers to the ceremonial law of Moses!

So Sabbatarians read into the text the 10 commandments, but ignore the obvious reference to what they call the ceremonial law of Moses.

The verse proves too much for them, so they merely ignore everything but the phrase "my commandments".

Anonymous said...

Sabbatarians use this false 3 part argument to prove the Adam kept the Sabbath:

In the beginning the word made "all things" Jn 1:1-3; Col 1:16
The Sabbath day was made: Mk 2:27-28
Therefore the Sabbath day was created or made in the beginning and therefore Adam had to keep it!
The Adventist syllogism is invalid because:

In the beginning the word made "all things" Jn 1:1-3; Col 1:16
He did ALL his work in 6 days: Gen 2:1-3; Ex 20:11

Since the Sabbath day was not created till AFTER God rested on the seventh day, therefore the Sabbath day is not part of "all things" of the ORIGINAL CREATION and did not exist in the Garden until AFTER the 6 days of creation!

God finished his word in SIX DAYS then rested. The Sabbath did not exist until after God rested on the seventh day.
The issue is not when God rested, but when He first commanded man to keep the Sabbath!

Here are two comments from our history archive that prove the common view between 150 and 200AD was that the Patriarchs never kept the Sabbath!

150AD JUSTIN: Moreover, all those righteous men already mentioned [after mentioning Adam. Abel, Enoch, Lot, Noah, Melchizedek, and Abraham], though they kept no Sabbaths, were pleasing to God; and after them Abraham with all his descendants until Moses... And you [fleshly Jews] were commanded to keep Sabbaths, that you might retain the memorial of God. For His word makes this announcement, saying, "That you may know that I am God who redeemed you." (Dialogue With Trypho the Jew, 150-165 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, page 204)

200AD TERTULLIAN: Let him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day because of threat of death, teach us that in earliest times righteous men kept Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and so were made friends of God. .. ...Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised, and inobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering Him sacrifices, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was by Him commended... Noah also, uncircumcised - yes, and inobservant of the Sabbath - God freed from the deluge. For Enoch, too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, He translated from this world... Melchizedek also, "the priest of most high God," uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was chosen to the priesthood of God. (An Answer to the Jews 2:10; 4:1, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 3, page 153)

Anonymous said...

If the Sabbath day must be kept because God blessed, hallowed and made it holy then we must keep these things too:

vessels: Ex 40:9; Num 31:6; 1 Ki 8:4
Water: Num 5:17
Solomon's temple: Ps 65:4; 1 Ki 9:3
The Aaronic high priestly order: Ex 29:21
The Levitical priesthood: 2 Chron 35:3
The firstborn: Num 3:13
The most holy place of the tabernacle: Ex 29:30-31
the ark: 2 Chro 35:3
mountain: Isa 11:9
ground: Ex 3:5
garments: Ex 28:2
crown: Ex 29:6
flesh of the ram: Ex 29:31-33
ointment: Ex 30:25
Fruit: Lev 19:23
tithes: Lev 27:30
Jerusalem: Neh 11:1
Sabbath day: Ex 20:11

Anonymous said...

The holiest things were not the Sabbath!

The most holy place: Ex 26:33
Most holy Altar: Ex 29:37
most holy atonement: Ex 30:10
most holy articles: Ex 30:26-29
most holy mixture: Ex 30:34-36
most holy remnant of meat offering: Lev 2:3
most holy offerings: Lev 7:17
most holy house: 2 Chron 3:8,10

Anonymous said...

The Sabbath was a sign only for Fleshly Jews, never Christians!

A. The Sabbath was a sign between God and Israel ONLY! Ex 31:13-17

Ezekiel 20:12 "And also I gave them My Sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Since the Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel, there is nothing requiring non-Jewish Christians to keep it!

Why did not never command any Gentiles to keep it in either the Old Testament OR THE NEW TESTAMENT?

B. Three signs of the Old Covenant between God and Fleshly Jews:

Circumcision a sign between God and Jews: "And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you." (Gen 17:11)

Passover blood a sign between God and Jews: "And the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you live" (Ex 12:13)
Sabbath a sign between God and Jews: Ex 31:13-17; Ezek 20:12

C. Sabbatarians Shoot themselves in the foot and are not consistent:

What reason do Sabbatarians give for not keeping the sign of circumcision?
Sabbatarian answer: "because it was a sign only to Abraham and the Jews, not Christians"

What reason do Sabbatarians give for not keeping the sign of Passover blood?
Sabbatarian answer: "because it was a sign only for the Jews in Egypt, not Christians"

Why should Christians not keep the sign of the Sabbath?
Our answer to Sabbatarians: "because it was a sign only for the Jews who came out of Egypt, not Christians"

Anonymous said...

We know we are sanctified by God, through faith in Christ, not Sabbath keeping!

Stop for a minute and think about how utterly ridiculous this argument is! Sabbatarians say that the only way I can know that I am sanctified by God, is by keeping the Sabbath? I know I am sanctified by faith in Christ and contacting his blood!

Sabbatarians are really grasping at straws with this argument. Closer examination proves that there is really nothing special about this kind of statement and that many other things share the identical quality.

When we get to the New Testament not only is the concept of "by this you will know God sanctifies you" NOT found, but neither is the Sabbath commandment itself NOT found!

Anonymous said...

The Historical Record!

Christians always worshipped on the first day (Sunday)

They state that they stopped keeping the Sabbath to worship on Sunday started with the apostles. None of say they kept the seventh day Sabbath. The only mention of Sabbath keeping was by Eusebius in 300 AD by a cult-sect known as the Ebionites, who Eusebius says also worshipped on the first day. (Ebionites were a cult of Judaizers who enforced circumcision, rejected Apostle Paul's teachings, denied Jesus' virgin birth and his deity.)

They partook of the Lord's Supper (communion) every first day.

They called the first day (Sunday) the Lord's day.

They called the day Jesus rose from the dead, the Lord's Day.

They said the reason they worshipped on the first day, was because it was a weekly memorial of the day Jesus rose from the dead!
They outright state that no one prior to Moses (Adam, Noah, Abraham etc) ever kept the Sabbath because it was Moses who first gave the Sabbath law and the ten commandments to man!

Augustine actually stated that Christians are bound to keep 9 of the ten Commandments [because the New Testament repeats and re-introduces them in a different form] but are free to break the Sabbath!

Anonymous said...

The earliest Christians never considered Sunday to be a rest day or the Sabbath. You will observe that the first mention of Sunday being a day of rest was in 220AD by Origen. This is the beginning of the current false doctrine, that Sunday is the Christian Sabbath, as taught by most churches today.

While Sabbatarians will quote 20th century authors who guess about what happened 1900 years earlier, we quote Christians whose writings are 1900 years old and spoke what they saw!

The record of history, from the Resurrection of Christ, Christians have always worshipped on the first day of the week (Sunday) and never on the Sabbath (7th day). Sunday is not a Christian Sabbath or a day of rest, or a holy day to be kept. It is the day God requires all Christians to gather together to worship and eat the Lord's Supper (communion, break bread) Acts 20:7. Christians do not keep the ten commandment law of Moses. This is not to say that Christians are free to steal, murder and commit adultery, just because the 10 commandments have been abolished. No! Christians are under a new law, a better Law, the law of Christ, (Gal 6:2) a better covenant (Heb 8:6-7).

The 10 commandment law including the requirement to keep the Sabbath day were abolished at the cross along with all the rest of the law of Moses. God gave a covenant at Mt. Sinai through Moses to the Jews. It is called the first/old covenant/testament. The ten commandments are the foremost visible representation of this first/old covenant was replaced by a new covenant called, among other things "the law of Christ". 100% of the old covenant was abolished. No part of the Old Covenant remains in force. No one prior to Moses (Abraham or Adam) ever heard of the Sabbath law much less kept it. The very first time that anyone was commanded to keep the Sabbath was in Exodus 16. The word "Sabbath" is not even found in the book of Genesis. Gen 2:2-3 was written by Moses to tell Jews at Sinai the meaning behind WHY they were to keep the Sabbath, NOT WHEN the Sabbath was instituted.

The first historical record of methodical Sabbath Keeping by Christians who stopped worshipping on the first day of the week, was two active Anabaptist leaders, Andreas Fisher and Oswald Glait, became the pioneer and promoters of the Sabbath in 1527 AD. Both were former priests who had sacrificed the priesthood to become first Lutherans, and then Anabaptists. Glait and Fischer, who had been taught the false doctrine of the Catholic and Lutheran churches, that Sunday is the Sabbath, were astonished to read in the Bible that the Sabbath was indeed the 7th day! When they began to teach this, theologians were sent to persuade them to abandon what they called the "Jewish Sabbath." Both of them suffered a martyr death, largely due to their Sabbatarian views. Sabbatarians owe a debt of gratitude to these Sabbath pioneers whose work later influenced the origin of the Seventh-day Baptist church. The latter (Joseph Bates) has been instrumental in helping the early Adventists and other Christians to rediscover the Sabbath. Historically, it was in 1844 the first Seventh-day Adventists (known then as Millerites) started keeping the Sabbath, introduced to them by a Seventh-day Baptist named Joseph Bates, who convinced their Methodist minister that the Bible teaches us to keep the Sabbath. But Seventh-day Adventists are convinced that God chose Ellen White and the modern Seventh-day Adventist movement as the medium through which to reveal and confirm this "truth" through direct inspiration and revelation. Although Adventists believe that a tiny unknown remnant has always kept the Sabbath day, (like the Seventh-day Baptist preacher mentioned above) only in the 19th century did God, through the Seventh-day Adventist church, restore in any measurable way, by direct revelation, the truth that the day Christians worship was Saturday.

nck said...

When I have time I will read the comments here!

I do know that in the early 1600 the Scolars at Leiden University fiercely debated the Saturday Sabbath issue, which became a hot topic in religious circles amongst scolars in the Superpower of the day the Netherlands.

I have no doubt whatsoever that this debate was sparked by the people who sought refuge from England and later on moved to the USA. The established power had no incentive to spark a debate on the saturday sabbath whatsoever as they had embraced the "Pilgrim Fathers" as refugees on strict and express orders that they should work their trade and shut up!

nck

Anonymous said...

My understanding is that Paul said that the argument between Sabbath keeping and Sunday meeting should stop. Who's right? It doesn't matter. The important thing is that we come together as a family. Leave these differences of opinion outside the meeting place. Both sides are right in whatever day they choose; both sides are wrong if they continue to argue about it.

Anonymous said...

reading this reminds me of reading a mainstream newspaper reporting on Donald Trump.....man, talk about twisting, perverting, and outright lies....

I'm sure you are all familiar with this paper, but read it again:

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Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

The commentary here beautifully illustrates how our particular views of the Sabbath/Sunday question inform our views of the past and motivate our contempt for each other in the present. A Sabbath keeper contends that both Gentile and Jewish Christians of the First Century kept the Sabbath. A Sunday keeper contends that Christians never kept the Sabbath. Both views are inconsistent with the historical record (as biblical and historical scholarship has demonstrated). Both sides employ only those biblical and historical facts which support their narrative about the appropriate day of Christian worship and ignore those which contradict their views.

Both sides assume that the Christianity which they practice is consistent with that practiced by those folks in the First Century. Like everything else on this earth, Christianity has changed and evolved over time. Yes, there are certainly elements of modern Christianity that would be familiar to those long dead folks, but there are also many modern theological concepts that would be wholly unfamiliar to them. The undeniable truth is that the Christian theology of 2021 is much more complex than what was extant in the First Century. Moreover, it is an exercise in pure nostalgic fiction to impose a uniformity and harmony on those folks which never existed in reality!

Sorry, you may not like it, but the scriptural and historical evidence available to us demonstrates that Jewish Christians continued to observe the Sabbath well into the First Century - and that most Gentile Christians NEVER did. The math and the history are compelling. As the number of Gentile converts grew, the Jewish portion of the Church became a smaller and smaller percentage of the whole. And, when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple and began to actively persecute Jews, those Sabbath keeping Christians were likewise scattered and persecuted. This is why we have someone like Ignatius of Antioch writing against Jewish observances among Christians early in the Second Century, and someone like Justin Martyr observing that it was standard practice for Christians to gather together on Sunday by the middle of that century!

--Lonnie

Anonymous said...

Actually, it is pretty simple if Christ kept the Sabbath then we must too.

Anonymous said...

Miller:

Well reasoned article. Your exegesis of the Eucharist is especially compelling. The fact that the Eucharist was a part of an embedded logical flow rather than a surprise Pauline bomb dropped on the unsuspecting gospels shows up Tabor's argument as special pleading.

As a preface to my comments let me state that the Epistle of James is a problem. Luther put it at the back of the bus with Revelation because he was uncertain about it being in the canon. The authorship of the Epistle is in question. Paul was a Pharisee; he was formally educated. James, the brother of Jesus, was likely a construction worker. James the brother did not support Jesus during his ministry. Apparently, he became involved in Christianity after the death of Jesus. The author of the book of James wrote excellent Greek. It was not the language of a Gaililean commoner. It was rather the language of a quite literate Hellenisic Jew. My guess is that if this book was written by the brother of Jesus at all, it was likely dictated to an educated scribe. It is interesting that the Book of James does not include a doxology focused on Jesus or otherwise mention Jesus. If this epistle in conceptual content originated somewhere in early Hebrew Christianity, it makes you wonder what the status of Jesus was in the thinking of that group. In my mind the Epistle should be read with caution but characterization of James at the Jerusalem Council in Acts is undeniable.

I agree with you that there is evidence of a difference in Christian custom between Paul and James but no evidence of a deep theological divergence. This just does not show up in the NT. There is no account of a great schism in the early church. Paul and James did not mutually execommunicate each other. Instead we find them coming to mutual agreement at the Jerusalem Council. We find Paul attacking circumcision powerfully in his epistles with no responding belligerence from James. Why nothing from James - because he knew the OT had been superseded just like Paul knew. Excluding the crisis with the Circumcision Party, the dust up was about custom and culture and not theology.

Call me a curmudgeon but I disagree with you about the status of Armstrongism in all of this. You wrote, "Herbert Armstrong and his followers have been very much like the Jewish Christians still extant at the close of the First Century..." With the exception of the pro-circumcision faction among Pharisees who believe in Jesus, I believe the Jerusalem Church understood that the customs they so valued were not conditions to salvation. If they had plunged into this heresy, Paul would have mentioned it as a problem that extended further than just the Circumcision Party. Galatians 2:12 speaks of Peter becoming defensive because a group that "came from James" showed up in Antioch. Paul said Peter feared that they might be of the pro-circumcision faction. Clearly, being "from James" did not automatically mean you were pro-circumcision. So, the process of salvation believed in the Jerusalem church under James was not attacked by Paul. Paul's dispute was with the pro-circumcison faction.

The Jerusalem Church understanding is very unlike Armstrongism over the issue of salvation. Armstrong tampered with the Doctrine of Salvation, adding to faith various works imported from the OT. This had to be because his form of NT belief had to accommodate sabbath observance as a salvific requirement. (Armstrong got sabbath observance from the Millerite Church but I think he may have innovated the idea that it is a salvific requirement.) This makes Armstrongism not simply a Christian variant but what Paul referred to as "another Gospel" - something foreign to Christianity. I don't think Armstrongists will ever sit in agreement on the essentials with Christians. If you doubt that, ask an Armstrongist.

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Anonymous said...

" - no one prior to Moses (Adam, Noah, Abraham etc) ever kept the Sabbath -"

Not only that, but the Australian Aboriginals haven't kept the Sabbath for 65,000 years - that's for a whopping 61,000-year span-of-time before Moses!

The Australian Aboriginals definitely "needed" to hear the "good news" of the Peter/James/Ellen-White 'Sabbath-Gospel' courtesy of Seventh-day Adventist missionaries - a bit late - 65,000 years - but better late than never.

The Aborigines, it was hoped, would also see the light on vegetarianism with cans of Nutolene - would that be an oxymoron: "canned-health-food"?

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

"Actually, it is pretty simple if Christ kept the Sabbath then we must too." If it's that simple, then why aren't we keeping Purim and Dedication (Christ observed both of them too)?

NEO,

Thank you. I would say that Tabor was right about his thesis that Paul's understanding of the Kingdom was significantly different from those of the Jewish branch of the Church. I also think that he was pretty spot-on relative to Paul's understanding of the resurrection compared to theirs (clear differences). Once again, however, I don't see the degree of difference he sees in the two groups views of baptism. In other words, I see the evidence that there were theological differences that went beyond issues like circumcision and Sabbath keeping, but I don't buy Professor Tabor's conclusion that those differences were significant enough to make Peter and James Paul's enemies.

As for the book of James, I am aware of the books troubled history vis-à-vis its inclusion in the canon. If Christ's brother James was the author of the book, I agree with you that he would have dictated it to someone else (It is very likely that James was illiterate). Having said that, these things don't trouble me as much as they do some folks (esp. Fundamentalists). For instance, I think that there is abundant evidence that First Century folks often dictated their letters for others to write. In his "undisputed" letters, Paul clearly used dictation and/or co-authored his letters with others (which, in my humble opinion, would explain many of those differences in style, language and grammar which so trouble others.

"Not only that, but the Australian Aboriginals haven't kept the Sabbath for 65,000 years - that's for a whopping 61,000-year span-of-time before Moses!" - LOL, love it!

Anonymous said...

It is absolutely amazing the great lengths some people go to in order to justify Sunday-keeping as opposed to Saturday-keeping, all on account of Herbie. Gentile Christians kept Saturday more times than Sunday-keeping. As a matter of fact we can't find one scripture stating that the Gentiles came to "church" on Sunday. Read the book of ACTS a little closer. ONE excuse for Sunday-keeping came about because of starting the false doctrine that Jesus was resurrected on Sunday. There is not ONE Scripture that says the Gentiles met for "church" services on a Sunday, but they did meet on Saturday. Just a few verses. There are more. Acts 13:13-16(Gentiles in the synagogue), Acts 13:42-44, Acts 16:13, Acts 17:1-5(God-fearing Greeks were there in the synagogue), Acts 17:10-12(Prominent Geek women and many Greek men in the synagogue on the Sabbath), Acts16:17, Acts 18:4-7(Both Jews and Greeks at the synagogue; Paul went next door to the house of Titus Justus on the Sabbath, not Sunday. Acts 18:26, Paul went to the synagogue on the Sabbath where Priscilla and Aquila heard him.

Anonymous said...

"No one prior to Moses ever kept the Sabbath"

Err, no. You see, the Sabbath rest in hard wired into the creation. Anyone who works 6 days and rests one day, is more productive than some one who works 7 days a week. So hard working Noah and others would have taken off one day a week.
Sabbath keeping or it's de facto, has been around since the beginning.

Anonymous said...

Christians are those who follow the example of Christ, which includes keeping God's holy days and practicing the traditions that accompany them, you also need the holy spirit or else you are none of his meaning, you are not a true Christian, therefore, copying Christ and having his spirit is what a true Christian is and if you don't obey God it's impossible to be a true Christian.

Hoss said...

Jewish religious leaders accused Jesus, Stephen, Paul, and others of infringements of both Oral ("Traditions") and Torah Laws. One could say, if they were not accused of something, it's more likely that they didn't do it.
Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath, but that related to Oral restrictions. Paul was accused of teaching against "customs" and circumcision (real, 8th day circumcision, as well as ritual conversion). When Paul, in Jerusalem was confronted with these accusations, not only did he deny them, but James offered a way that would help him prove his adherence to Torah Law.
When was Paul ever accused of teaching to disregard the Sabbath, and worship on Sunday? I know, there are some verses that appear to imply that Paul did teach that, but where is he accused of this action?

Anonymous said...

Anon wrote on June 27th @11:41pm, 'The word "Sabbath" is not found in the book of Genesis!'


In Gen 2:2, the phrase 'and He rested' is from the Hebrew vayyisbot, from the root word 'shabath' (Strong's H7673).

The Sabbath in Lev 23:3 is from the root word 'shabbat' (Strong's H7676). Notice that Strong's lists the word origin as 'shabath', which if you click would take you to Strong's H7673, the very same root word of the one in Gen 2:2.


What do we mean by 'eternal'? My understanding is, depending on context, there are 2 meanings - 1) no beginning and no end; 2) no end (a beginning is implied). Only God has no beginning, the rest has (torah/instructions, etc). Whenever I hear or read that such and such, other than God, is eternal, I understand it as having been created or spoken at one time, and continuing forever.


Strong's H7676 lists 111 verses where the root shabbat is used. Pay attention to the verses in Isaiah and Ezekiel.


Non-Jews keeping the Sabbath. The NKJV added the sub-heading 'Salvation for the Gentiles' in Isa 56:1-8:

v2 "Blessed is the man ...; who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, ..."
v4-5 For thus says YHVH: “To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose what pleases Me, and hold fast (Heb chazaq, H2388) My covenant, Even to them I will give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off."

Note1: The eunuchs in these verses are non-Jews who 'grab hold' (biblical meaning, instead of the modern meaning hold fast) God's covenant with the children of Israel. Please don't interpret it as non-Jews taking away God's covenant from them. This same Hebrew word is used in Zech 8:23, grab hold the sleeve of a Jew.
Note2: These non-Jew/non-Israelite eunuchs are promised a better place in God's house, better than His sons and daughters (Israelites).

v6-7 Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to YHVH, to serve Him, and to love the name of YHVH, to be His servants— everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, and holds fast My covenant— ... For My house shall be called a house of prayer for ALL NATIONS.”


ALL FLESH shall be keeping the Sabbath

Isa 66:23-24 And it shall come to pass that FROM ONE NEW MOON TO ANOTHER, AND FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, ALL FLESH SHALL COME TO WORSHIP ('bow down') BEFORE ME,” says YHVH. “And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. ...”

The above is speaking about the future final death of sinners. We have this image of people going out of the (Third) Temple after worshipping, bowing down to, God on the Sabbath and they are seeing the corpses in Ge Hinnom (Valley of Hinnom) or, possibly, Kidron Valley.

Read also Ezekiel chapters 44 to 46 describing Sabbath observance in the Messianic Age.

Eze 46:1 Thus says Adonai YHVH: “The gateway of the inner court that faces toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and on the day of the New Moon it shall be opened.

Anonymous said...

"It is absolutely amazing the great lengths some people go to in order to justify Sunday-keeping as opposed to Saturday-keeping, all on account of Herbie."


Acts 16:13-14 is a telling scripture. Why didn't they go down to the river and pray on a Sunday?

Anonymous said...

Agree 5:11 PM. A writer doesn't need ten thousand words to succinctly express the core of a subject.

Anonymous said...

And this my friends is what rebels within the ministry think.

Never be fooled as I'm sure none are, by the cunning craftiness of which they stoop to decieve.

Who has the time to write such ?

No wonder COG's are steeped in luduricous situations, never achieving, always going around in circles, much talk but not much action, it is all making much ado about nothing. Because the rebels within the ministry believe in nothing, have no spirit to understand and the state of the COG reflect that.

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

Armstrongites can always be counted on to resort to form - roll out the prooftexts! They reason "Since we can demonstrate that Christians are supposed to keep the Sabbath, your historical narrative can't be right." In other words, the history of early Christianity MUST conform to the notion that Christians are obligated to observe the Sabbath, and any evidence which contradicts that notion MUST be dismissed.

The historical narrative suggested in my post acknowledges that Jewish Christians continued to observe the Sabbath well into the First Century (and beyond in the case of a small remnant). Hence, the prooftexts offered here confirm that part of the historical narrative. Moreover, I've also acknowledged that Paul was a Jew and was accustomed to visiting synagogues and the temple (even after he became the "Apostle to the Gentiles"). So, thank you to the folks who provided the scriptural evidence which confirms that part of the narrative.

It should be noted, however, that our benefactors have left out a few of the pertinent scriptures which surround the ones they've cited as prooftexts. For instance, they don't reference the scriptures which recount how the Jews in many of these synagogues mistreated Paul and his companions (and some of the things which they did to frustrate/thwart their efforts to preach the gospel). In fact, we are told that their shenanigans became so burdensome/oppressive/abusive that Paul eventually abandoned his ministry in those synagogues. Finally, they actually have the audacity to ignore or dismiss any scriptural evidence that Paul taught on other days of the week (see Acts 17 and 19), and that Christians worshipped/fellowshipped on Sunday (see Acts 20, I Corinthians 16 and Revelation 1) - not to mention the fact that the Church began on Pentecost (see Acts 2).

Finally, I find it extremely humorous that Sabbatarian Christians (who reject and condemn all things Catholic) would accept their narrative about both the history of their own church and taking responsibility for changing the Sabbath to Sunday. The Roman Church did not have the influence or authority to change anything until well into the Fourth Century and beyond (and our modern notions regarding the papacy didn't take shape for a couple of hundred years after that). Fun stuff!

Anonymous said...

Troll guy, you get funnier by the day. Ha, ha, ha.

Anonymous said...

“Finally, they actually have the audacity to ignore or dismiss any scriptural evidence that Paul taught on other days of the week (see Acts 17 and 19), and that Christians worshipped/fellowshipped on Sunday (see Acts 20, I Corinthians 16 and Revelation 1) - not to mention the fact that the Church began on Pentecost (see Acts 2).”



Not ignoring anything. Sorry to burst your bubble and take away your thunder, but there is no mention of Sunday “church” services in Acts 17:17, 19-22, nor Acts 19:9-10. Acts 20:7 says they came together to have a meal and Paul kept speaking on into the night until midnight which would have been Tuesday. Breaking of bread occurred any day, not just Sunday. or the Lord's Supper. Acts 2:42, 46. These Scriptures tell us that it was done daily. There is not one Scripture that states that the Gentiles had Sunday religious services.

I Cor. 16:1 says nothing about “a new day for worship services”. This was a time for conducting money transactions. Nothing was said about “church” worship.


Revelation 1:10 is your nail in the coffin. Talk about proof-texting! You can't say the phrase "the Lord's Day" (even in Greek) actually means "Sunday" or "first day", regardless of how the early Roman church translated/enforced it towards that interpretation. The Greek word for first “mia” (day of the week)is not even there.


I quote from an astute individual: “Theologians and commentaries have been way too quick to try to proof-text Revelation 1:10 to promote a "First Day Sabbath." The verse requires no such reading, and the literal sense of it is most suitable. In fact, I would point out that when someone pushes and demands a flawed reading (such as "Sunday") this opens the door for reactionary movements that use this excuse to lunge in the wrong direction. Reading Revelation 1:10 in its literal sense of "the day of the Lord" does not implement the Law of Moses nor the Judaic Sabbath. The concept of "Sabbath-keeping" can be addressed on its merits well enough without requiring a speculative non-literal reading of a single verse.”

Anonymous said...

"Acts 20:7 says they came together to have a meal and Paul kept speaking on into the night until midnight which would have been Tuesday."

OOOPS! Sorry, I meant "Monday".

BP8 said...

"The great lengths people go to justify Sunday as opposed to Saturday on account of Herbie"??

The dumbest example I've seen of this is from a book many of you may have, 1974, "Armstrongism", by Baptist preacher R.L.Sumner. On pages 80-81 R.L. quotes the same sources as our fellow commentators and comes to the same conclusions:

The day after Saturday (Tertullian), Sunday (Justin Martyr) being the first day of the week, the Lord's day, the day of and honoring Christ's resurrection!! So far so good.

Then wanting to stick it to Herbie, R.L. writes on pages 199-200, " Armstrong's argument is that God worked Sunday through Friday, then rested on Saturday. Perhaps so. Whether those days (of creation) correspond to our Sunday through Saturday we do not know. To say that the Sabbath had to be on our calendar Saturday is going beyond what God has written "!!! The stupidity continues on page 209, " It was not Saturday the Israelites were told to hallow, but the seventh day. This may or may not have coincided with the Saturday of our calendar week"!!!!!

Incredible. No seventh day Saturday, no first day Sunday!! R.L. destroys his own sources and argument but at least he put Herbie in his place!!

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

You said: "there is no mention of Sunday 'church' services in Acts 17:17, 19-22, nor Acts 19:9-10.Talk about a straw man! This is what I did say: "Paul taught on other days of the week (see Acts 17 and 19)"

Do those scriptures indicate that Paul taught on other days of the week?

"Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry. Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market DAILY with them that met with him." Acts 17:16-17

"And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing DAILY in the school of one Tyrannus. And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks." Acts 19:8-10

And I wonder why the churches were increasing in numbers DAILY (Acts 16:5), and that those Bereans were searching the scriptures DAILY (Acts 17:11). Could it be that Paul was preaching the gospel every day of the week?

And Paul wasn't the only one who didn't confine his evangelistic work to the Sabbath:

When Peter and the other Jerusalem apostles were hauled before the Jewish Council, we read: "And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name. And DAILY in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ." Acts 5:41-42

Now about those Sunday references:

"And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." Acts 20:7 Whether this refers to a regular meal or to the Eucharist is of no consequence to the point I was making, Christians were clearly gathering for religious fellowship on the "first day of the week" (Paul even delivers a very long sermon).

"Now about the collection for the Lord’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made." I Corinthians 16:1-2 (NIV) Paul designated "the first day of every week" to "set aside" a collection for the benefit of the saints at Jerusalem.

"I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet..." Revelation 1:9-10 John provided the setting for his circumstances when this great vision was given to him. Sorry, in the original Greek, Lord's day does NOT equal "Day of the Lord."

Now, we'll let our audience decide about our relative characterizations of the scriptural evidence.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous (5:22)

You are way down in the weeds. But I will go down there with you for a while. Someone may or may not have met on some day. Who cares? Just because someone met on Saturday doesn't underpin the following concepts that we find in Armstrongism:

1. The sabbath must be eternally kept as a physical period in time.
2. The sabbath is a requirement for salvation.

You cannot arbitrarily load those casual and descriptive scriptures about people meeting at some time with this legalistic meaning. The reasoning that the sabbath has been transformed and that Christ is now our Sabbath, and eternally so, has been extensively exegeted and documented and you can read about it. And the idea that you can tamper with salvation and add things to it is a really bad idea (see Galatians). I won't recount the sabbath reasoning here. Its been around for a while.

"te kyriake hemera" or the lord's day. This term is used several times in the NT and is not connected to the weekly Sabbath in any instance. The most likely meaning for Revelation 1:10 can be found in a similar prophetic context in this scripture (Acts 2:20):

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:"

The Greek in Acts is a different grammatical form of the same words (kyriake hemera) used in Revelation. This argument may seem like a special pleading or a prooftext but the consistent other use of the phrase in the NT places on you the burden of demonstrating that this phrase in Revelation means the sabbath and can have no other meaning.

Emerging from the weeds, I will point out that the real reasoning against a physical sabbath is to be found in the disposition of the Old Testament laws after Christ. Again, this is extensively documented. In short, you didn't burst anyones' bubble or take away anyone's thunder. You made a nice though thin Armstrongist argument and it failed.

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Anonymous said...

Hmm, I wonder if Paul kept speaking about the two trees, which would explain the young man falling asleep and falling to his death.

Anonymous said...

9.49 PM
The ACOGs have historically pointed to Herb rather than to Christ, so I wouldn't begrudge posters correcting this sin.
I have never in over 50 years of reading church literature come across an article teaching that Christ leads every Christian directly with no middle man minister in between. It's this great sin of omission that you should be responding to.

Anonymous said...

In a spirit of civil discussion, please allow these points to be considered (it seems that a fair amount of generalizations and quasi "facts" are presently sloshing around here): With regard to James Tabor, it needs to pointed out that Tabor is a controversial liberal theologian who sells a lot of books (and believes in/espouses a version of the US&BC lost 10 tribes canon - see his book "Restoring Abrahamic Faith" - as well as denying the deity of Jesus Christ). As noted in one formal theological review (published by the Society of Biblical Literature): "Some books are written to spread knowledge, others to generate controversy. This book falls into the latter category. In his "Jesus Dynasty" James Tabor presents a reconstruction of the Jesus movement from a perspective that purports to be a neutral view at the facts. Unfortunately, Tabor’s view is not neutral and his ‘facts’ are not facts." Tabor is an acolyte of Christian Bauer's 19th century flawed (and Hegel-flavored) teachings from the Tübingen School. Further, Paul was born, lived and died a Jew, as documented by Pamela Eisenbaum in her work: "Paul Was Not a Christian: The Original Message of a Misunderstood Apostle." Paul never referred to himself as a "Christian" and never started a new religion. As to evidence about the "established" beliefs of disciples of Jesus Christ in the first century (e.g. the uneven migration of gentiles inserting/adopting a Sunday day of worship), one might want to check out the Hershel Shanks/BAS essay collections of "Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism" and "Partings: How Judaism and Christianity Became Two". Catholic leader John Chrysostom, in his Eight Sermons against the Jews, was alarmed at many Christians in Antioch specifically observing the Feast of Tabernacles, Trumpets, Atonement & other Hebrew days (in the 4th century), and called it a "sickness," declaring "I wish to drive this perverse custom from the Church right now." (http://www.laits.utexas.edu/bodian/la-johnChrysostom.html). SDA scholar Sigve K. Tonstad (a certified MD as well as a PhD in New Testament Studies from the University of St. Andrews) makes an interesting point that the Sabbath is literally baked into creation. Respectfully, seventh day Sabbath & Hebrew Holy Day observances are alive and well for reasons that nothing to do with so-called "Armstrongism."

Anonymous said...

NEO - "The sabbath is a requirement for salvation."

Because it's one of the 10 Commandments. Not because it's central to "Armstrongism".

E said...

Look it is all condemnatory if you are going to believe the sabbath and holy days are the final save of those that claim they are followers of Christ and accept His sacrifice.
The COGs believe those that do not observe Sabbath(s) are not real Christians despite their claiming to follow Christ and their displaying fruits of the spirit and of repentance.

In the COG world you have this vast number of people that claim Christianity and have changed lives. In deciding who are true christians, the COGs whittle that number down substantially with observance of sabbath(s).

So, amidst all this claimed Christianity and changed lives, we see the sabbath(s) are the final saving element. Of course, the COGs will say if you don't keep the sabbath(s) you simply don't have the Holy Spirit and Christ is not in you no matter the fruits and changes in your life. So, the sabbath(s) is necessary proof you are a real Christian...not faith which is what Scripture states.

But, boy is it exacting! I mean there are 7th day adventists, baptists, Messianics, etc. But, that is not good enough, though some may make exception for the Messianics...though these Messianics do not properly tithe and might miss the CORRECT day for holy days.

To the COGs, one's heart and intention only matters if you are observing sabbath(s) on the right day. If not, all that heart and intention is baloney because you are not inspired by the holy spirit and thus a fake Christian. Sorry.

We have heard it over and over, sincere traditional Christians are sincerely wrong, and thus no Christians at all.

But, where is the line drawn? Surely, intent matters. Are those conscientious 7th day Baptists simply discounted as deceived (and fake Christians) because they don't observe the Holy Days? Yes, they are to the COG mind.

Okay, what about Bacchiocchi and other sabbath observers who opened up to the the idea of at least observing some of the Holy Days? Obviously, not good enough to the COG mind. The Spirit leads to Truth...and without the Truth there is no spirit and once again these are false Christians.

What of those who have pored over the Scriptures and still come to a different time for passover? off by just a day, but still, too bad for you. You lack the spirit of Truth and are thus not a real Christian. How quickly you will understand this in the second resurrection!

Further still, what of those that spent their entire COG lives following HWA's teaching that Pentecost was on Monday rather than Sunday? Surely, having died before 1975 (when Pentecost was changed to Sunday) will not disqualify a sincere member of the Worldwide church of god from being a real Christian and in the 1st resurrection. Doesn't intent matter for anything!! I suppose some may say because they were only deceived by HWA that this is okay. They just didn't know better! But, this is starting to get confusing. Perhaps even troubling for the COG mind, but a few mumbled "covered"s, "Hwa"s, "hierarchy"s, "following"s, "authority"s, "God decides"s, "loosening/binding"s will allow the dissonance to dissipate.

The COG position is simply untenable.






Anonymous said...

E 12:32 PM it's irrefutable fact that all true Christians must keep the weekly Sabbath and if you do not then you are not a Christian. Even though we should keep the annual holy days Sardis ( Church of God 7th day) only had the weekly Sabbath but they were still God's one true church.

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

E,

Amen!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous (11:34) you wrote, "Because it's one of the 10 Commandments. Not because it's central to "Armstrongism"."

While readers of the OT recognize an organization of the litigation it contains, it does not incorporate into its legal theory the idea of "optional." I think you might be saying that the 10 commandments are under a different legal theory than, say, the dietary laws. This because the 10 have some kind of special status. You will have to exegete that idea. I don't think it is there. Paul stated that the OT was a cohesive corpus of law and you can't just keep part of it. So in the OT, everything was a requirement for a relationship with God, including sequestering your wife when she menstruates.

Another issue is that, as a Christian, speaking with an Armstrongist about the sabbath is difficult because of terminology. Christians believe that Christ is their rest, their sabbath. This spiritual concept does not exist within Armstrongism. Armstrongists only know the outward physical implementation of the sabbath as the seventh day of the week. When I stated that the sabbath under Armstrongism was a requirement, I was referring to the physical sabbath as an specific interval of time.

Christ is required for salvation. And we must live by his words. And the Sermon on the Mount is where to find them in a form that parallels Sinai. If Christ lives his life in you, that package includes resting in Christ from sinful works. This supersedes the OT physical implementation of the seventh day which only foreshadowed Jesus. The seventh day continued to be a custom among Jewish Christians but it was not transferred to the Gentile church. The Jerusalem Council does not mention the Sabbath.

Paul's statement that salvation comes by grace, through faith, not of works, dispenses with the physical sabbath. But it does not dispense with the ethics and morality of the NT.

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Anonymous said...

There is plenty of evidence that the Sabbath is made for Christians.

Anonymous said...

Yes it is super duper simple Jesus wanted us to keep the commandments and the Sabbath is a commandment, therefore, it must be kept by Christians.

Anonymous said...

Huh? NEO: "The Jerusalem Council does not mention the Sabbath". But see Acts 15:21: For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous (3:33)

Thank you for that standard Armstrongist perspective. I always thought I would be able to start reusing some of the comments that I had already written. I wrote the following a few days ago in response to a comment on this blog:

"Armstrongists do not see this scripture in that way (reference to Acts 15:21). Their belief is that the Law of Moses is a kind of baseline requirement for Christians. Everybody, including Gentiles, was already keeping the Law of Moses including the Sabbath day before the Jerusalem Council was ever convened. Therefore, the Jerusalem Council assumed that the Law of Moses was being kept already and the decision was to only add a few extras for Gentiles because of their particular religious and cultural environment. And these additions are listed in Acts 15:20. And the statement in Acts 15:21 is an acknowledgement that the Law of Moses was being kept, including the Sabbath, and Christians were exposed to the Law of Moses every Sabbath in synagogues. Verse 21 even acknowledges that the Sabbath was being observed by Christians, Armstrongists would assert.

"There is a problem with the scope of the decision made by the Jerusalem Council for everyone. The Council specified something for Gentiles but it is difficult to understand the context. Armstrongists remove the Law of Moses from the scope of the Council and hold it inviolate, including the Sabbath. But the wording of Acts 15 clearly identifies the Law of Moses as an included issue. Because the Pharisees rose up and said:

"It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the Law of Moses." (Acts 15:5)

"So it was both circumcision in particular and the Law of Moses in general that began the controversy and both were included within the scope of the Council's consideration. So the Armstrongist assertion fails. One cannot hold the Law of Moses inviolate and outside the Council's reach. So then why did James mention what he did in Acts 15:21? I think James is reassuring the Jewish Christians that their practice would not be neglected by the Council's decision. And I have a feeling that Christian Jews and Judaistic Jews were sitting side by side in synagogues. Christ was a Jew who preached a form of Late Second Temple Judaism to Jews. And Paul underscored that Christians are all spiritual Jews - it is a part of the salvific package. But how Jewish does one have to be?

"The Armstrongist assertion fails on other points of scope. If their argument were to stand, it would mean that all Christians must keep the Law of Moses (not just the batch of laws that Herman Hoeh decided were still in force under the New Testament). This means everything must be observed. Hoeh was not around to advise them and when the Council said the Law of Moses they meant just that. That clearly was not the intent of the Council because they did not enforce circumcision on Gentiles - the other big issue. They did not explicitly proscribe it however. It is just excluded for Gentiles from the list in Acts 15:20."

In addition, James said in Acts 15:19: "Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:" The tenor of this sentence is clear. They are not presenting an expansion of the requirements for Gentiles but a reduction of requirements. So the idea that their decision is a marginal increment on the baseline of required OT laws is mistaken. And the mention of the Sabbath in Acts 15:21 does not extend any further than its direct meaning. That meaning is that Jewish customs will remain available for those who want to participate. For the traditional Jews who are now Christians, not to worry.

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Anonymous said...

This is Anon 3:33. The Jerusalem Council mentioned the Sabbath. That's the only point. Nothing was said/written about: standard Armstrongist perspective, Law of Moses, baseline requirement, extras for Gentiles, Acts 15:20, Pharisees, circumcision, Late Second Temple Judaism, Acts 15:19, Jewish customs.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous (9:19)

I apparently overloaded your statement with meaning. Let me say when I wrote that the Jerusalem Council did not mention the Sabbath, I meant that it was not in the list of items that the Council wanted the Gentiles to adopt. The mention was in an appended comment made by James simply in order to describe what the venue was for Jews to hear Mosaic teaching. It had nothing to do with the Council's list of points for Gentiles. Armstrongists pre-textually hype this simple appended venue statement into a full bore command to keep the sabbath. That is what triggered my reaction.

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Anonymous said...

Depends on the church 9:56.

Anonymous said...

Christ is the spiritual head of the head and Armstrong is the human head of the church.

Anonymous said...

Armstrong is dead anon 9:13 AM.

E said...

9:19 I just do not read Acts 15 as you do. The circumcision party is saying the law must be followed, that circumcision is required for salvation. The council says no and instead the gentiles need only abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. Then, it seems to me that they simply say (without any imperative) that the Law (of Moses) has been preached in the synagogues for generations.
Three things I note:
1) they say Moses is taught in the synagogues (seems almost a slight to say it this way as the Gentiles are converting to Christianity, not Moses)
2) why would they tell the Gentiles to abstain from the 4 things? In this context it seems they are saying this is what will bring converts to God and Christianity in contrast to very few converts being drawn into Moses over many generations. In other words, "the teaching of Moses for generations hasn't been effective in the gentile world, why demand it now?"
3) Acts 15:24 says the apostles never gave such a command. Why not? After all, we are talking about the Law. Why were they being loose with the Law? Why didn't it occur to them to have made a decision about the Law before the trouble arose? The answer to me seems obvious, Belief and faith in the Lord was their focus and not the Law.

I've accepted what I was told by the COGs about this in the past, but my faith and belief in God was weaker then, but stronger in man. I scoffed at such comments about faith and belief back in the day too (but I was quite young then and scoffed at what I was taught to scoff at). Perhaps you will scoff too or maybe not as you are probably older than I was in my days of scoffing at those who declared their faith and belief without the doctrines I thought were necessary. I suppose in my scoffing days I would have fit well with the circumcision crowd...

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:52
Comparing the Sabbath to the holy instruments used in the Tabernacle and Temple is wrong. The instruments used in the Tabernacle and later the Temple are types of Jesus Christ. Even the Ark of the Covenant was a type of Christ. The Sabbath is not a type of Jesus Christ as Jesus himself stated how the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.

Anonymous said...


“The Irreconcilable Breach Between Sabbatarian Christians and Sunday Christians”


Ah, yes, the irreconcilable breach between true Christians who know what the Holy Bible teaches and fake “Christians” who do not know what the Holy Bible teaches.

The irreconcilable breach between true Christians who obey the God of the Holy Bible and fake “Christians” who do not obey the God of the Holy Bible.

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

Anonymous 7/3 @ 12:31,

The Sabbath was a type of the rest we have in Christ (see those passage from the third and fourth chapters of the book of Hebrews cited in my earlier comment). And, yes, Christ did state that the Sabbath was made for man, and then went on to declare himself Lord of the Sabbath. In other words, Christ and his followers are superior to the Sabbath!

Anonymous 7/4 @ 10:02,

Thank you, again, for demonstrating the thesis of this post! Even so, please excuse me for pointing out just how self-serving and self-righteous your statement appears to many of us who post and comment here. You should also be aware of the fact that many of those "fake" Christians also see you "true" Christians as heretics - evidence of "the irreconcilable breach" discussed in the post!

OH NO, I just realized that my comment here may be the 66th comment in this thread! There is bound to be a couple of folks in our audience who will think that significant (please remember that we're stilling missing another 6).

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

Never mind, I miscounted - what a relief!

Anonymous said...

And yet history shown us many times in the first century Christians worshiping on Sunday

Anonymous said...

However, history shows us in many cases Christians worshiping on Sunday almond before Constantine

Angela said...

Funny thing pagans didn't worship on weekly basic and if it's the word Sunday than you must be thinking all names are sins for their are all pagan names. Not only that but Roman didn't worship Christianity did at all so it makes no sense to say Sunday was due to getting pagans