"As Above So Below"
.IMHO! of course :)
Birth of the Sun in the current morning sky and the inspiration to the Author of Revelation of the Constellation's of Virgo, Ophiuchus, Aquila Orion and Sirius journey in the November/December sky, playing out the birth of the Sun at Christmas or the Winter Solstice.
Prior to this scene, Orion had risen with it's three belt stars "seeing his star in the East", i.e. the very bright star Sirius to their East and stayed with it as it went West. These three stars went down together with Sirius and thus were said to have lost sight of Sirius and had to inquire as to where it went?
Higher Ups Know...
The birth stories of Jesus are constructed around these phenomenon at the Winter Solstice ( Sol=sun, stice=stand still) which it appears to do the three days prior to Christmas day when it begins to move from SE to East again taking away the darkness of the world which culminates at Easter when the days and nights are equal again at the Spring Equinox. Here to Sun gets cross-ified at the intersection of the Ecliptic and the Celestial Equator (Whole other story)
On to Revelation...
12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.
The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days....
13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.
Looking Southeast in winter, just as it rises this morning. Here one will have seen Serpens, right of Virgo the Virgin, as it rose earlier and casting down a third of the stars, with daylight. This now defined same serpent in the story then appears to the right, waiting to devour the child of the woman (the Virgin represents Judaism and not the Church. Revelation is a Jewish Christian Book.
INTERESTING NOTE: In starlore BOTH Serpens and the serpent in Ophiuchus are called "Caput and Cauda" or Head and tale and considered ONE serpent, broken in two, that together cover 1/3 of the night sky and their stars.
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1. Virgo the Virgin ready to give birth to the Sun
2.The Serpent front of the woman to devour the child
3. The Sun is birthed and rises to "Heaven" or eventually Noon to become "The Most High"
4. Aquila the Eagle that takes the Woman to her place for protection from the Serpent
This path of the rising of the Sun is from lower left to upper right
1After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east (sunrise) arrived in Jerusalem. (at sunset) 2 Asking, "Where is the one who has been born King of the Jews? We saw his star in the East (at sunrise) and have come to worship him. , 3When King Herod heard this, he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him.
This idea of seeing something in the East and not going East to see what it was is solved by the fact that this is a East to West sky story. Only in the movement of the Constellations from East to West would characters see something in the East and go West to find it. This only would occur with the "rise" of constellations due to the rotation of the Earth East towards the Sun and setting in the West
Here, the three stars in the belt of Orion (1)and Sirius (2) having already risen before the previous scene of the birth of Jesus, sees his star, Sirius, rising in the East and then follow it west only to lose sight of it when they all go down in the West.
Note: Forgive it seems a repeat post along the way. Starlore as the origins of our literal Biblical stories simply explain a lot of where such fantastical stories come from in reality and how the human mind works in its search for meaning and where it looks for it.
38 comments:
I dont care what they say...
PLUTO IS A PLANET, and has its own moons as well.
It was part of the NWO conspiracy to remove Pluto from planetary status.
oh boy, here we go.....
let's see what this thread turns into.
David C. Pack is the MOST POWERFUL MAN ON EARTH!!!!!!!!! I've NEVER SEEN ANYONE more WISER and POWERFUL THAN HIM!!!!!!!!
If someone joined the Global Church of God and the Restored Church of God after the WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD got SPIRITUALLY MURDERED it means THEY PROVED WHAT MR.ARMSTRONG TAUGHT and THEY BELIEVED IT and if they left the Restored Church of God hopefully THEY CAN DO IT AGAIN and BE ALLOWED to REJOIN GOD'S ONE TRUE CHURCH!!!!!!
Many astronomers dissented from the view pluto is a planet. It's really a matter of opinion. Only scientific DOGMA declares it is a planet (or not).
As I recall, Magi are Persian (Iranian) holy men. So if they were really Magi, they were pagans coming to worship Jesus.
Perhaps those who don't want to admit Jesus is the Sun God would rather change the subject to Pluto.
Pluto is a planet, Jesus is the Sun.
This post reminds me of that Beatles song, "Dennis in the Sky with Diamonds".
Richard
Herb the advertising blurb always said you don't know what you don't know and you don't know that you don't know it.
Too bad he didn't know the bible is a knock-off from pagan sun worship and mystery religion.
Anonymous November 16 at 11:09 AM said, "oh boy, here we go.....let's see what this thread turns into".
MY COMMENT - Oh, give it time.. Soon the anonymous troll with the Trump Derangement Syndrome mental illness will show-up here on Banned and some how interject that horrible orange man Trump into the conversation on a Dennis post about the birth stories of Jesus being constructed around the astrological phenomenon at the winter solstice.
Richard
OK, so I Cor 10:11, and Rom 1:20.
Now that we've set the astrology lesson for today to rest, I'm wondering what Dennis might have to say about Dr. Lena Einhorn's time shift theory as brought up by one of the other anonymi on another thread. It seemingly addresses some of the first century issues Dennis has raised here before.
Ain't never heered of such? Check out www.mythicistpapers.com
OK, so I Cor 10:11, and Rom 1:20.
Now that we've set the astrology lesson for today to rest, I'm wondering what Dennis might have to say about Dr. Lena Einhorn's time shift theory as brought up by one of the other anonymi on another thread. It seemingly addresses some of the first century issues Dennis has raised here before.
Ain't never heered of such? Check out www.mythicistpapers.com
Anonymous True Christian said...
David C. Pack is the MOST POWERFUL MAN ON EARTH!!!!!!!!! I've NEVER SEEN ANYONE more WISER and POWERFUL THAN HIM!!!!!!!!
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First of all, please restrict your drinking before posting here. Secondly, Dave Pack is a powerless theological clown who no one has heard of and I've know high schoolers wiser and more knowledgeable than him
Hey, 1:05. They only give out upper case letters at your church? Sounds like you go to a noisy church where the pastor always shouts. And, that's a problem. What can he do when he needs to make an especially important point?
Dennis has been spending time in the Portland Library, where a number of intruguing ideas were developed long ago by an individual who later became quite successful in his own peculiar way.
It must be something in the drinking fountain water...
Trump Derangement Syndrome? Does that mean you start behaving like an unhinged prevaricating narcissist?
Doesn't Marjorie Taylor Green have TDS?
2.03 PM
God would not have honored the Magi unless they were truth seekers. They exist in every religion. Try throwing off the Herb mental straight jacket, and broadening your mind.
Many cultures, peoples also have similar ‘Deluge’ or ‘Flood’ legends.
What is fascinating about them is how far these groups are geographically from each other and that the similarities in these legends/myths are so strikingly the same.
From the Mideast to Asia to the American landmass north and south.
Early Judaism after the fall of Jerusalem to the Romans, developed over the following centuries, greatly influenced by pagan and occult beliefs.
The mystical books of the Zohar, Kabbalah and the ‘Oral Law’ in the voluminous Talmud attest to this as do the writings of many Jewish ’sages’.
I have only one thing to say to True Christian- hi Dave Pack!
Anonymous said...
Dennis has been spending time in the Portland Library, where a number of intruguing ideas were developed long ago by an individual who later became quite successful in his own peculiar way.
It must be something in the drinking fountain water...
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It's a more credible and mature approach to just say "I disagree and here's why"
You nailed it 9:05 PM.
TDS involves the belief of the false narrative that the 2020 presidential election was stolen despite all of the audits by Republican governors and election officials proving that it was not.
It can also include belief in the outrageous theories of Q.
Those with TDS believe that anyone who disagrees with the Donald is not a true patriot, and that officials who were elected as Republicans but who differ with or confront him in any way are not real Republicans, but are actually Rinos.
TDS leads its extreme adherents to believe that Covid 19 does not really exist. that it is a scam orchestrated to derail Prsident Trump, and that the vaccine accelerated by Project Warp Speed is useless,unsafe, or in really extreme cases is designed to kill people or incorporate tracking devices to be used and abused by the NWO.
Some with TDS are driving around in big 4 by pickup trucks with American Flags and Trump flags, and if they have diesel engines will roll coal on protesters, bicyclists, or motorists with Biden-Harris bumper stickers. These may also have Trump 2024 stickers on their rear bumpers.
Victims of TDS restrict their incoming information to extreme right wing news sources which offer little more than baseless propaganda, and also outright lies. These include bitchute, Project Veritas, the Washington Examiner, Fox News, and others. TDS sufferers believe that fact checking of these sources is actually a violation of their constitutional rights.
So, my question is, "Who is it that is actually suffering from mental illness?"
"Astrology" - a pseudoscience. "A source of the Jesus" - the Creator - "story".
Blasphemy.
Dennis said:
Victims of TDS restrict their incoming information to extreme right wing news sources which offer little more than baseless propaganda, and also outright lies. These include bitchute, Project Veritas, the Washington Examiner, Fox News, and others. TDS sufferers believe that fact checking of these sources is actually a violation of their constitutional rights.
So, my question is, "Who is it that is actually suffering from mental illness?"
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80. A godLESS (meaning of a-theoi) man would ruin his neighbour with SLANDER. 11:9
Ever read a-theoi comments about various Believers? Ugly.
“There is even evidence to suggest that in some cases, High Church atheism may be little more than a mental disorder taking the form of a literal autism. On one of the more popular atheist Internet sites, the average self-reported result on an Asperger Quotient test was
27.9.21 The threshold for this syndrome, described as "autistic psychopathy" by its discoverer. Dr. Hans Asperger, is 32, whereas the average normal individual scores 16.5. In light of Wolfs observations, it is interesting to note that those diagnosed with Aspergers tend to be male, intelligent, impaired in social interaction, and prone to narrow, intense interests.
This idea may explain why the following pair of definitions have proven to be useful in distinguishing between the High Church atheist and the agnostic.
AGNOSTIC: I don't believe there is a God. Because I haven't seen the evidence.
ATHEIST: There is no God. Because I’m an asshole. “
The Irrational Atheist, Vox Day, p. 17, c. 2008
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dennis said:
Victims of TDS restrict their incoming information to extreme right wing news sources which offer little more than baseless propaganda, and also outright lies. These include bitchute, Project Veritas, the Washington Examiner, Fox News, and others. TDS sufferers believe that fact checking of these sources is actually a violation of their constitutional rights.
So, my question is, "Who is it that is actually suffering from mental illness?"
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Never said that. That's in someone's anonymous comment and post
Dennis,
Thanks for clearing that up. But, almost all of your posts are atheistic, and the response still applies to your atheism.
By the way,
1. When you were a minister of the wcg, did you pray for the individual members of your flock, ever? You know, for healing, etc. How about for yourself?
2. Ever get any answers? Over 25 years??
3. When did you become an atheist? Before, during, or after your “ministry” was over?
4. Etc.?
Oh, did you know that a man actually did move a mountain, and cast it into the sea? If so, you never mentioned it in your derogatory lambast of the Scriptures.
So many of your writings are just rehashes of drunks like Hitchens, and others like him. Could you please come up with something original, and valid that hasn’t already been answered?
I began reading your older posts today. I feel your pain.
Actually, I said it. I knew as soon as you blamed Dennis that whatever else you had to say would be nonsense, and you didn't disappoint.
Next time you visit the dispensary on the way home, wait until you come down a little before getting on the internet and blogging.
Dennis,
I apologize for misapplying another’s post to you.
Just relooked and your post was closed, and above the post I mentioned. It looked like you quoted it.
I clicked on you name and your post opened.
Evidently this is so one can click on a post to close it after reading it. Neat.
6:28
Thanks for your so kind criticism in such a humble way.
Certainly glad I didn’t disappoint by presenting what evidently applied to you as well.
Unlike most, my wife and I don’t use any drugs, legal or not. And, we don’t visit clinics or dispensaries. That keeps us going while approaching our 90’s.
Hope you can do as well.
It’s a great day when one can serve another. Again, so glad I didn’t disappoint you, and helped you have a little happiness.
Dennis, you wrote "The birth stories of Jesus are constructed around these phenomenon at the Winter Solstice"
I don't see that you have demonstrated this declaration in what you have written. This statement seems to be suspended in the air with no logical, historical wires of support. Just circumstance.
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The athiest's are coming out of the closet. They'll be back in by Sabbath morning.
Anonymous @ 9:08: I'm just messin' with ya, Bubba. Lighten up and don't take it so personally.
Anonymous said...
Dennis,
Thanks for clearing that up. But, almost all of your posts are atheistic, and the response still applies to your atheism.
By the way,
1. When you were a minister of the wcg, did you pray for the individual members of your flock, ever? You know, for healing, etc. How about for yourself?
2. Ever get any answers? Over 25 years??
3. When did you become an atheist? Before, during, or after your “ministry” was over?
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No problem. Since I am a-theist in my present perspective that is the perspective that will come out.
1. Of course I prayed for them, my family, "the work", circumstances and myself.
2. I never saw anything miraculous in answered prayer and it seemed that most of the topics prayed about ran their natural course without any discernable interventions due to prayer. Personally I can't say I experienced obviously answered prayer contrary to the circumstance or to something I simply needed to face and address
I do recall at AC with the classic "prayer closet" ever present, I was expected to use it and felt observed doing or not doing so by dorm monitors with that perhaps ending up in some monthly report. :)
3. Losing faith in faith occurs over time. I grew up very strict in knowing the Bible, OT and knew with classes, lots of church and such. More Sunday church than even a WCG Sabbath.
Memorizing whole chapters from second grade on. Even got to be one of the Shepherds in the Christmas play! :)
I have always been theologically inclined and in HS knew I wanted to be a minister. Our home church was either Calvin College in Michigan, famous for Betsy De Vos and Amway, or Westminster Theological Seminary. I had been accepted at Roberts Wesleyan Seminary prior to AC. I'm pretty sure I came to AC knowing more about the scriptures than most of my peers.
I notice scriptural problems through the years and had lots of questions never addressed at AC. So I went looking on my own. John Shelby Spong was mentor of sorts along the way. I've been repetitious over the years about topics in WCG I would never give sermons on. Sorry for repetition but it's like hearing scriptures the same scriptures over again I suppose where one hopes it helps or interests someone new or kindles an aha moment in someone who didn't like it the last time.
I probably miss the teaching aspect of ministry or just the teaching profession. I once took an Advanced Cardiac Life Support class against my wishes but required by company for me only and all the others were full time ER staff. Long story short, at the end of the class I was told the good news and the bad. The bad was I was not yet a paramedic. The good news was that if I had been I'd be asked to help teach the class because I did so well in the test and the practical. That's just me.
The turn came when I won the Biblical Archeology Magazine contest for getting to dig, all expenses paid, at any dig in Israel going on that summer. I dug at Megiddo in Northern Israel with Israel Finkelstein eventual author of "The Bible Unearthed" We talked a lot during that month and that's when Biblical origins and the existence or not of a number of Key figures in the OT were better understood in context and questioned. OT origins were not as I learned in Sunday School and AC etc. I last about four more years in ministry. Then came the changes back to my youthful beliefs, depression, anxiety on my part, divorce and a generally messy time out of it all into a different life of my choosing not theirs anymore
PS I don't do pot though it is legal and flourishing all over Oregon and Portland. The "dispensary" comments are just sarcasm on the part of the one being sarcastic and thinking, I suppose, I'd have to be on pot to show the very possible origins of many of the Biblical tales in realms unseen by looking up at those seen on a dark night in all of human history. I did not invent the observation or "coincidence" of it all.
Tried pot, but I don't smoke and edibles just made me sleepy and hardly "felt". I don't drink either. That "little wine for thy stomach sake" didn't work for me either.
And too before heading to work, anyone is welcome to submit a posting to Gary for Banned. He has the final say on if it is appropriate for the site etc. Only one or two others ever have. Anyone is welcome to post something that may show anything astro theological is just a coincidence etc. It might be, but it is a hell of a coincidence when one knows all the other examples of scripture too numerous to mention.
Think of them as alternative annual Christmas Play or yet another playing of "A Christmas Story" :) We'll skip the annual Easter Pageant of NightFlix in Spring to spare us.
I also find it fascinating and possible that the Roman's wrote the Gospels, as per "Caesar's Messiah" to pacify militant Judaism and Christianity that provoked the destruction of Jerusalem and huge losses yet again because of such behaviors in the Roman Empire that were not going to be tolerated. The NT is very pro-Roman as if they were almost believers, as long as one paid your taxes to Caesar and understood they were there for "our good" ala Romans 13. Nuther story. I like possibilities over for sure unchangeable beliefs. I learned over the years I am fact and not faith oriented. A Thomas more than a Paul.
Off to rub people the right way at work. :) A client told the front desk after a session that "You have a Magician working here" LOL. Nice compliment and a $40 tip. My focus is on stress, headache and general turmoil caused by living on the planet and sometimes falling down the stairs or the occasional "Can I talk with you about something while you work?"
Dennis, you wrote "The birth stories of Jesus are constructed around these phenomenon at the Winter Solstice ( Sol=sun, stice=stand still) which it appears to do the three days prior to Christmas day when it begins to move from SE to East again taking away the darkness of the world which culminates at Easter when the days and nights are equal again at the Spring Equinox."
Some questions:
1. This implies that you came to this conclusion by way of some exegesis from the Gospels. But this exegesis is not visible in what you have written. Does this exegesis exist and is it yours or was it generated by someone else? That is, is it ad hoc or does it have an established history?
2. This would make the Gospel writers all well versed in some school of astrological thinking. What was that ancient school of astrology during the Second Temple period? Or is this an imposition of modern astrological thinking on the First Century NT events?
3. The words "were constructed" mean that you think the Bible is fiction. This amounts to an unproven pre-supposition on your part. I don't believe the Bible is fiction and my view is just as good as yours absent supporting background.
4. Your mapping of astrology talk into the Book of Revelation is specious without some form of derivation or connection. Why should we believe the dragon of Revelation equates to the serpent in the sky of astrology? Why should we believe that the Bible writers drew upon astrology. It could have been the other way around.
Without answers to questions like these, what you have posited is a theory that lacks support, at least in what you have written. It is like seeing shapes in the clouds. I have seen some pretty good shapes of various animals in the sky during monsoon. But I do not confuse the sculpting affect of wind on clouds with zoology.
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Anonymous November 16 at 11:09 AM said, "oh boy, here we go.....let's see what this thread turns into".
MY COMMENT - Presto! See what I mean? I guess you could say that we are better prophets than the Almost Arrested for Sabbath keeping degree mill Dr. Bobby Thiel...and we don't even claim ourselves to be prophets or dabble into Cartoons like Cartoon Bob does!
Richard
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