Wednesday, April 13, 2022

PCG Tells Member He Is Useless To God

 


Imagine for a moment that you are a minister of God, a God that is filled with mercy and compassion. Imagine a God that is overjoyed with his children and creation and showers his blessings on all. For many ministers, this is a daily occurrence that gives them joy and a commitment to share that love with others.

Then there is the Armstrongist Church of God. That god, so much of the time, is a petty bitchy angry little god that is constantly pissed off at his creation. That god is never happy and is constantly in need of its followers groveling at its feet for mercy and acceptance, which it rarely dishes out, and if it does it is only to a select few, usually the ministers and church leadership.

If you are in the Philadelphia Church of God, this is the god that reigns supreme in the church.

Here is a story from Exit and Support Network about the PCG ministry representing that angry bitchy god.


I was in my early twenties when I ended up being kicked out of Philadelphia Church of God. I had not yet been baptized but it was something that I was strongly considering. While I did end up getting baptized, it did not happen in the PCG. Part of the problem being that I am special ed and have physical disabilities. 
 
What happened was that my father had an argument with two of the ministers (Craig Winters and Jeff Greaser11) over something that my father simply didn’t feel was right or even moral. They kept demanding that he change his views to suit their own but he kept refusing. They then turned to my mother and demanded that she basically “shun” him–and she too refused. They left our home, and then called up a few days later, and told my father that he had been kicked out; they then tried to force my mother to turn on him by threatening that “unless she turned on her husband they would kick her out as well.” She again refused and they kicked her out as well. 
 
They talked to my younger brother and tried to get him to turn on both my mother and father and he too refused and so they kicked him out of the PCG as well. They then talked to me. 
 
Interestingly enough, I was not at all approached about backstabbing anyone in my family. Instead they told me that because I was special ed and physically disabled that God didn’t have the power or ability to use me in any way. In their words, I was essentially useless to God in all regards. 
 
Ironically enough, at the same time that I was told that I was useless to God “because I was special ed and physically disabled, that God did not have the power or ability to use me in any sort of way,” we were also continually getting sermons, sermonettes, Bible studies, and other messages at services wherein they constantly pounded people over the head with statements that “God was all-powerful and there was nothing He couldn’t do and no one He couldn’t use.” Even though I was not yet baptized, even I noticed the inconsistency of the two statements “God can do anything” and “God can’t do this.” 
 
After we were all kicked out of the PCG, we ended up getting an interesting bit of news from an insider whom we were still friends with. As soon as possible, they announced that our family had been kicked out for handing out “dissident” religious material. This of course was a lie but they could have cared less. 
 
To be honest, I have reflected on this matter quite a bit every now and then and my being booted from the PCG has turned out to be a blessing in my opinion. I am with a better church, that has better ministers who don’t claim to be “as perfect as God” such as the PCG ministers did. They also do not judge the members of the church and are quite friendly and very enjoyable to be around. My parents and my brother are also in this church and we are all much happier.



13 comments:

Anonymous said...

As soon as possible, they announced that our family had been kicked out for handing out “dissident” religious material.

Some PCG ministers seriously tell new converts that they should only study PCG booklets, and not risk being confused by trying to study the Bible without GRF's interpretations. Sharing Bibles or even Bible verses could be construed by PCG as "handing out 'dissident' religious material."

Anonymous said...

Why do you so freely link men with God ? Did Jesus not teach a major lesson in the last time he was in the temple at Jerusalem ?

Anonymous said...

It would have helped to know where the father felt the church was mistaken.

Anonymous said...

This is the sort of cruel, uncaring behavior one would expect of KGB or FSB agents, certainly not spiritual guides or leaders of a church, or even human resource professionals in corporate America. Plus, based on the victim's ability to write and describe, it is completely untrue! These so-called ministers should be taken on a tour of nonprofit organizations which provide valuable services to the community using the skills of individuals who are severely challenged, with such conditions as Downs Syndrome, Aspergers Syndrome, Autism, or brain damage from diseases or accidents. The client workers are able to perform tasks such as inserting letters into envelopes, final construction of small projects, packing boxes with goods for shipping, etc. Some of these same individuals participate admirably in Special Olympics.

And, by the way, some of the parents of such individuals often consider that their children are gifted in other areas, and bring special joy into the lives of all who come into contact with them. Obviously there are exceptions to that best case scenario, and not all parents have the skills to raise such children. We have to remember that PCG is the church where the parents of a developmentally disadvantaged child were counseled to leave him at the mall! Does PCG actually bear any good fruits? This constant litany of horribly inhuman stories seems to overwhelm any small good that they might accomplish. The family involved displayed a wonderful quality of loyalty to one another, and suffered some indignities because of it. They had better fruits than their church! Sounds like they found a better alternative, so its all good.

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

Romans 8:31-39, NLT

31 What shall we say about such wonderful things as these? If God is for us, who can ever be against us? 32 Since he did not spare even his own Son but gave him up for us all, won’t he also give us everything else? 33 Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one—for God himself has given us right standing with himself. 34 Who then will condemn us? No one—for Christ Jesus died for us and was raised to life for us, and he is sitting in the place of honor at God’s right hand, pleading for us.

35 Can anything ever separate us from Christ’s love? Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity, or are persecuted, or hungry, or destitute, or in danger, or threatened with death? 36 (As the Scriptures say, “For your sake we are killed every day; we are being slaughtered like sheep.”) 37 No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us.

38 And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. 39 No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Christ makes us worthy and useful to God - PERIOD! And NOTHING being able to separate us from God's love includes pissant ministers of the Philadelphia Church of God!

Anonymous said...

We were kicked out as well, and the “ministry” lied to our family about why had to be kicked out too. What a blessing though, because we were able
To deeely do the research that so easily proved Armstrongism was/is all a sham. Sad for our family inside though. One day they’ll figure it out.

Trooisto said...

To the author of the letter: I’m sorry you and your family have been treated so terribly!
I’m glad you all stayed united and found a better church!
You’ve proven how useful to God you are by giving your testimony that exposes the fake ministers who abuse God’s people and pervert God’s words – so that others may also find freedom.

Corinthians 12:9
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore, I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

1 Corinthians 15:10
But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect.

Romans 8:28
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

Anonymous said...

Truly terrible, and not at all in line with God's thoughts. If anything those who are disadvantaged have a special place in God's heart. When the Lord Jesus (yes RCM, GW and your ilk our personal lord and savior) was on the cross, he was essentially immobilized physically. disabled. And yet our disabled savior did mor for humanity than anyone or anything else in history.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for everyone's kind words. This event happened 20 years ago when we left the PCG, I never knew my brother wrote this and submitted it to Mike's Enlightenement Page. This happened around the time of the release of Flurry's book "That Prophet", our dad's disagreement with the PCG was the fact that GRF was taking on titles that belong to Jesus: "the Rock", "Lawgiver", "that Prophet" etc.

My brother suffered a lot of persecution and ridicule spearheaded by Craig Winter's sons because of his disabilities. My brother was hurt by the statement that "God can't use disabled people" but he forgave them all for it.

My loving brother has since passed on and is in the loving arms of Jesus now.

Rebecca said...

At approx. the 1m10s point in GRF youtube video; 'The History of Lucifer' grf verbally states the words....'when God realized'...alluding to GOD's plan...and GOD not being smart enough to know this perfect spirit being HE created could & would turn traitor because of narcissictic vvainglory, leaving God in a scramble to come up with a plan 'B' the dirtclods adam & eve

Anonymous said...

It is an HONOR to be kicked out of the PCG!! It means you have a BRAIN!!

Rebecca said...

yes!.a GOD given brain to think & reason fron, and with the mind's eye? to see, the wolves in sheep clothes. God's flock will continue to be scattered until that moment! remember, Judas hanged himself i believe because of his smitten conscience riddled with guilt.

Rebecca said...

ultimately, all individually will stand b4 the judgement seat to give account. we cannot change the dirty rotten low down high mindedness of the self righteous oppressors and abusers. all glory to GOD in the highest . Separating the tares from the wheat....