LCG Spokesman BobThiel Is Not Happy With Us

Self appointed end times 'authority', book promoter and all around Chiro/naturopath, Robert Thiel,  was not happy about an earlier blog entry dishing him for calling non-LCG members non-Christians.

He writes:

Two points. First, we in LCG do teach about Jesus. Second, if this website is going to continue to attempt to state what I teach, try to get it correct. I have never taught that the only Christians are in LCG. For details, please see http://www.cogwriter.com/position-on-churches.htm

If you talk about Jesus why is he always given the short end of the stick in LCG and the COG's?.  It's all about law, law, law.  Jesus gets scant mention except at "passover" time as he is crucified over and over every year in some high school gym in order to cover the previous years sins for LCG/COG members. Microphones magnify the breaking and cracking of matzo's  to symbolize the "broken" body of Jesus. The louder the sound the more miserable the lowly members are made to feel.  Instead of realizing what was accomplished at that cross thousands of years ago was accomplished ONCE for all, instead he has to be re-crucified every year.  Instead of celebrating the last supper as a foretaste of that heavenly banquet prepared from the foundations of the world, it is instead a time of blood lust.

So what about Christians in other churches that Bob claims there is.  Who are they, what are the churches?  Any quick reading through his blog and web site will quickly show who Thiel is specifically talking about.  Those in the LCG specifically and a scant few in other COG's are considered to be TRUE Christians.  Those TRUE Christians were all trained at the feet of Herbert Armstrong's teachings. The may also be a few in other Sabbatarian groups, but don't count on it.

Thiel is NOT referring to Christians in other churches outside of COGdom.  In his eyes all Protestants and Catholics are not true Christians because they are not sabbath keepers, law keepers or holy day keepers.  He has labeled them all as "fake" and "so-called" Christians.  He even has mocked Christianity Today magazine as be "improperly named" for using the word Christian in it's title.  That is, until we ragged on him so much that he changed his accusation against the magazine as "Protestant Christianity Today."

All I can say is that Thiel does not know what he is talking about, even if he is the official mouthpiece of the Living Church of God.  I know Christians outside of Armstrongism that make COG members look like kindergartners when it comes to being "people of the way."  They have ever kept a sabbath, kept kosher or believed in British Israelism, yet are light years ahead of Thiel in understanding. they aren't arrogant, proud or boastful like Thiel is.  I will take that any day over most of the garbage pumped out by Armstrongism.

Van Robison on "DOES THE "PASTOR" MASTER REALLY "SERVE" the COMMON CHURCH GOER?"

DOES THE "PASTOR" MASTER REALLY "SERVE" the COMMON CHURCH GOER?

Are the "ordained" really a rep for Jesus or God?  They obviously would have those who think they are think so.  Herbert W. Armstrong, like the founders and leaders of endless other groups was looked upon as "God
in the flesh", "infallible and inerrant", having all wisdom, knowledge and understanding.  We are led to believe that a man called the "apostle" Paul and who presented himself somewhat as Herbert W. Armstrong did, also thought of himself as an "apostle" of Jesus Christ and proceeded to write "co-worker" letters to the churches, which letters became "scripture" and a part of the New Testament.  Every age of men have their colorful personalities who rise to the top of religious power over others and present themselves to the world as someone "special."

I wonder when human beings will get sick and tired of men who classify themselves as saints, whose only motive in life is to "serve" the common people?    Oh foolish humans!  The world of religions and the world of politics are both the same.  They both hoodwink those they control and whose purse they devour.    Men are NOT God, they only feign and pretend that they are so moral and so saintly that they are "qualified" to do your thinking for you and that you must submit.    The control mechanism they use is always and forever "FEAR."  Fear is the classic tool in all ages that enslaves the masses of church goers and those who follow politicians in their games of life.  There is no greater FEAR among the worlds governments and politicians and religious rulers, than that common people will come to their senses and reject their false authority over their lives.

Rulers in the human realm exist through DECEPTION, even if those who rule are self-deceived about their false power.  Quoting verses from the "Bible" is not authority for power over others, but rather it is an excuse for assuming false authority.  It has long been said that the PEN is mightier than the sword.  Censorship is not new and has been in existence for thousands of years.  For those who wield power, the manner in which they
silence opposition is assassination, often literally or to assassinate their character with false accusations, which is what happened to Jesus Christ.  Whistleblowers are "criminals" to the criminal powermongers who detest
exposure to the light of truth.

Does government really serve the common people?  Are "pastors" really the servants of church goers?  The answer in both cases is NO!  Those in power are really self-serving.  They take your sons and daughters and
use and abuse them as "heroes" in wars.  They take your money through taxation and say "its the law."  They proclaim "national security" and destroy other nations in pretense.  Those who stand in pulpits are not really worth the time of day, but someone must be financially supporting these television ministries, because television airtime is not free.  No doubt there are sincere preachers, but "sincerity" is not a guarantee of truth.  Anyone can be sincere and still be very, very wrong.

The time must come when ordinary people come to their senses and see that those who rule, whether in human governments or from pulpits of churches are in reality THE CAUSE of massive human problems.  Rulers of men are NOT God and they are NOT the moral agents on earth who represent God.  The courts, "justice" and prison systems of governments are NOT the moral agents of truth on earth, anymore than those who stand in pulpits and who mouth what they think truth is.

One of the most profound weaknesses in multitudes of human beings, is to think and believe that those who rule are "authority" figures of truth on earth.  THEY ARE NOT!  And the idea that INK on PAPER is God, is also one of the most astonishing and childish beliefs of human beings.    I contend that the mind of human beings is not meant to be ruled over, but is intended to be self-governing.  Character is ONLY formed by free will and choice and not by coercion.  If FEAR is the reason for compliance, then that is proof that the system is dead wrong.

Considering the concept of eternal life, who would want to live forever sitting in pews listening to preachers spew?  Who would want to live forever living under the "its the law" of human governments?  Is it not time to think for the self?  And so the religious minded will quote "every man did that which was right in his own eyes", meaning of course that those who love power over others hated independent thinkers.


Van Robison

Does UCG Have A Sordid Past or is it Happyland?

UCG has taken to using Amazon to promote it's various booklets in Kindle form.  Of course this has led to lots of UCG members jumping on and slobbering on how magnificent the booklets are.  A former UCG member has written several comments about these booklets and how she grew up in the cult and know the booklets to be wrong.  This of course has irritated the loyal UCG members.

In referring to this woman's past in the UCG, a UCG acolyte had this to say:

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 14, 2012 11:51:20 AM PDT

Mark says:

@Oh, it's her.'s
Your earlier post: "I actually grew up in this church, so I would say I know it extremely well, Mark."
Another post: "Only later did I research the group itself and discover its sordid past."

There is no sordid past, just disgruntled ex-members who write fiction.

No sordid past?  Is this guy really serious? I guess we are still living in the land of rainbows and lollipops.  It's like a bad LSD trip.