Samuel Kitchen: I am sick of the lies and slander about HWA. He Was An Apostle and you are under GOVERNMENT, so STOP Criticizing Him!

Three hours of mindless blabbering.

Various Facebook groups have had a lot of issues lately with a certain COG member who goes into apoplectic fits anytime someone says something negative about Herbert Armstrong, It is  a father and son team who flood various Facebook pages and other blogs with their endless rants about people criticizing HWA and the church.  They are adept at copying and pasting endless scriptures to support their silliness that no one reads any more.  The main whiner though is Samuel Kitchen.

To them, the great implosion of the Worldwide Church of God was an issue of government and the Jesuits.  The evil Jesuits are out to destroy Armstrongism.   I don't think anyone needs to blame the Jesuits for destroying the COG, the hundreds of splinter group leaders are doing a fine job all on their own!


His Facebook and LinkedIn pages are one big slobberfest of all things HWA and Gerald Waterhouse.

I only posted on that thread because people was trying to figure the author of the book out at looking at his behavior. I posted about the Jesuits. And then I posted about Co-Intel Pro. Then you came on posting comments such as above.

You came on there attacking "people like me", saying a bunch of unchristian things in a way to try to discredit whatever I posted. And so it seems you think you have some kind of "duty" to comment and "jump in" attacking anyone who defends and magnifies the apostle, even this is found in this thread! And "Connie" was on the other thread as well. Which is interesting. If you are not sent by the "Jesuits" who did send you? You admitted you was sent by someone, just not the Jesuits. Who do you work for?

Co-Intel pro is a GOVERNMENTAL form of infiltrators.

The Jesuits are at the heart of all this.

Let me explain a little to the un informed.

After WW2 the Nazi's(doctors, rocket scientists, gestapo's etc) were all smuggled through the Catholic Ratlines(Jesuit system)into allied countries such as America, and with them they created the CIA, NASA, New medical universities etc. This happened through "Operation Paperclip".

CO-INTEL PRO is a CIA initiative, and program.

So the Beast Power (Hitler Mussolini Axis) went underground after WW2 into America, South America, Britain, Russia etc. Actually most went into America and Russia, but watching this system take shape within our country and others is interesting. We have already been taken over by the Beast system, we gave up our sovereignty with the "Lisbon Treaty" of 2009, which gave over our land to the United Nations. But continuing...

I only posted about the Jesuits on the previous thread. You came attacking my character, placing anyone who believes the same in the category of "Terrorists". You came onto this post attacking my character again. That is your history and pattern.

Why is it everytime someone post about HWA, you come on and attack them? You spend your time labeling anyone who would agree with HWA, with "keywords" such as "Terrorists" and "Zealots". And so it's not hard to find what you are about, all we have to do is look at your fruits.

What many do not know, is that I don't like these long dragged out fights. But what I believe is that God placed Mr.Armstrong in the spiritual rank and office of Apostle. And I see the slander and lies that are being told about him as a high level of dishonor and disrespect to the office that God gave to him. It's like Miriam and Aaron speaking against Moses. God said "WHY DID YOU NOT FEAR TO SPEAK AGAINST MY SERVANT MOSES?"

Former RCG Member/Employee Talks About Abuse In David C. Pack's Cult Compound In Wadsworth

A former employee and member of David C. Packs Restored Church of God has written a letter to Exit and Support Network detailing the hell he went through for a few months at Dave's cult compound in Wadsworth.  He also tells how RCG members sold their homes and land in ordered to send it in to Dave to finance his great COG reunification that FAILED to happen this past Saturday.

He writes:

Why I Left Restored Church of God

I left the Restored Church of God about one month ago. I moved out to, lived, and worked in Wadsworth, Ohio at the RCG Headquarters for two months. Many of the things I went through and witnessed caused me to leave. Now with David C. Pack's "remnant prophecy" a complete flop, it is another good reason I left.

While at Headquarters, I saw a lot of scared and unhappy individuals. There was a superficial look of happiness, but I sensed a lot of uneasiness in many of the members. There was a lot of pressure from those on the top of the church government to get certain projects done, whether it was putting up chandeliers, getting a room ready for a certain date, getting the landscaping in place, or constructing a waterfall. What came down from the top was immediate priority and had to get done when they wanted. Everyone felt the pressure, no matter what department you worked in. Some lacked sleep.

As a worker who was going to be a future student at RCG's Ambassador Center, I, and many other students, were being shuffled around the student housing that they provided. I had to move three times during my stay at Wadsworth. Wherever they told you you were going to stay was where you were going to stay. I met one member there who had moved four times--every month since he moved out there. Much of one's behavior is controlled and influenced by what "the church" wants, from dress to dancing to dating etc.

I remember at one RCG service I had noticed a member who was not at services the week before, so I asked them if they were okay. They said that they had gotten sick last week because of all the pressure and the increased work load that was laid on them since the move into the new Administrative Hall.

For Dave Pack, the cult compound he is building is all about himself and the money he needs to build it.   Just like COG leaders in Pasadena (including HWA) he treats his employees like dirt while spending money on vainglorious items to furnish his buildings and home with.  His ministers are also sharing in this moneymaking scheme.  That is the main reason none of them have had the balls to come out and say that Dave is a liar and a fraud after his epic prophetic failure this past Saturday.  These ministers and their wives would rather whore themselves out to the almighty dollar than to be men and women of integrity. These men and women do not have a Christian bone in their bodies.

He continues:

While ministers, ministers' wives, and others in the upper echelon at HQ ogled over expensive chandeliers, fancy wooden trim, waterfalls, and a well-striped and manicured grounds, there were many members who were hurting physically, emotionally, psychologically, and spiritually. Ministers live in expensive housing, drive in fairly expensive new vehicles. Many of the lay members were always required and admonished to give more. It was never enough. The RCG would pursue projects they didn't immediately have the funds for, so they would pressure the congregations through weekly announcements and sermons to raise more funds. Now the RCG has recently purchased over 50 more acres of land!

The ministers and evangelists in Pasadena did the exact same thing.  They were completely out of touch with the everyday members of the chruch.  They had no idea whatsoever how people struggled to make ends meet while the upper echelon dined on champagne and caviar and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars remolding their homes at church expense.

He then writes the following about how RCG members sold their homes to finance Dave's asinine reunification that failed to happen.  They are now without homes while Dave still lives in the lap of luxury as he pretends nothing happened.

David Pack's remnant prophecy was another big reason I left. I had a bad feeling about it the closer the month of August came. He claimed that part of the books of Haggai and Zechariah indicated that three splinter group leaders would die by fire on the same day and that many of those members of the splinters would flock to Restored Church of God by the Sabbath of August 31st. Clearly, none of that has happened, and unfortunately many of the members have poured out immense amounts of funds, resources, and endless fundraising to get ready to absorb this supposed remnant. Many sold houses and properties and have given up most or almost all of what they had. I miss a lot of the friends I made in RCG. I feel bad for them, because I know that a lot of them have invested a lot of time, money, and assets to "the church."

Dale Schurter, Larry McElroy and all the other RCG ministers are complicit in this criminal activity.  These men are sick men just like Dave is.  They know Dave lied and they continue to cover up for him.

 For anyone who is thinking or looking to joining Restored Church of God, you now have a false prophet / apostle / high priest / Joshua / whatever you want to call it to look up to and follow. He set a date for something to happen. He felt that God revealed it to him through Scripture. The event never happened. The RCG just purchased over 50 more acres of land which was expected to be paid for by the "remnant" who never came. Break it down and keep it simple.

 You can read the entire letter here: Why I Left Restored Church of God

Larry McElroy and Dale Schurter: What Do They Now Have In Common?

Dale Schurter and Larry McElroy were two of David C Pack's triumphs in poaching ministers and hope in drawing members from other COG's.

In their bid to jump ship they allowed themselves to be prostituted out to Dave's beliefs and rules.  Both of them bragged about how they had their "eyes and minds washed" when they came into Dave's personalty cult.  They sold their souls and integrity to accept everything Dave says as 100% truth.

Even worse, these two are complicit with Dave in defrauding and lying to the members of the Restored Church of God.  Both of these men now know for a fact, that Dave's recent 20 some week rant about the great COG reunification and the PROMISED deaths of three COG leaders, was an abject FAILURE!  Knowing this, these two men still support Dave in his insidious moneymaking schemes and building projects.

Both of these men are now unemployable in the other COG's for their apostasy to Dave's cult compound in Wadsworth.  Schurter will stay on with Dave, because Dave has promised him a garden patch to work his mind boggling agricultural miracles on. McElroy will continue to lie for and uphold Dave  because he has no income to support him in his old age.  Members be damned, the money is more important.

Neither of these two men have the balls to confront Dave in his bald-faced lies and walk away.  They are nothing more than cheap two-dollar whores who sell themselves to the highest bidder.  Money speaks in Dave's personalty cult and these two have lined their pockets.