Saturday, January 7, 2023

Dave Pack: Trust any of his words at your own peril. Even when he quotes himself.

 



Quoting. Or Misquoting?

 

For those interested in analyzing the mind of David C. Pack, this article will be right up your alley.

 

 

David C. Pack's messages are no longer edited by The Restored Church of God. The raw recordings are live-switched with a title graphic overlaid at the front and posted “as delivered.”

 

I do not bother to mention the issues with the audio because I accept the flaws as the new normal. Nobody notices over there, or nobody cares. Even if they did, they would not know how to fix it.

 

The quality of work has dropped like a stone at The Restored Church of God. All the talented employees who excelled at quality control have already exited. The C-Team is what remains, and Brad is too busy.

 

Competence and precision have left the building technically. And doctrinally.

 

 

Urgency drives the ship at Headquarters. Dave is continually “rushing to call it out,” creating a host of problems for The Restored Church of God, as confessed during “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 413).” His piss-poor reading comprehension skills create a cascade of “overreading” mistakes.

 

That rushing lives inside Dave’s head. His neurons fire so fast he can barely spit out a cohesive sentence without injecting another thought. Those listening to him speak for any length of time recognize the parenthetical inside a parenthetical inside a parenthetical. It is annoying, to say the least.

 

When he blends this compulsive affectation with numbers and then changes it halfway through a sentence, the audience thinks, “I have no idea what he is trying to say.”

 

Is this the type of mind-mouth combo God would choose to teach His people the most critical and timely truths since His Son walked the earth two thousand years ago?

 

Moses initially had Aaron as his voice. Later, Moses developed enough to speak on his own with boldness. Jeremiah said he was just a child, so God touched his lips and put His words in his mouth. There is biblical support for a poor speaker to be chosen to say God’s words with power and clarity.

 

But that is NOT David C. Pack.

 

His quotes are cleaned up for these articles so the man can make some sense. The stuttering, stammering, and repeated words are edited out in print so the audience can comprehend his teachings. 

 

In other words, I edit David C. Pack more than The Restored Church of God does. I present the words of David C. Pack in a better light than David C. Pack does.

 

Some of his verbatim quotes would drive you mad.

 

As Delivered:

 

Part 413 – January 4, 2023

@ 1:21:55 Now, I was surprised. I was I was trying to figure out Sabbath morning. Where are we? Friday night, I just had this funny feeling before we ever got to the the moment I was hoping for. I I it just it, but then, all of a sudden, everything just just just just appeared right at the perfect time. All these things lined up.

 

Edited:

 

Part 413 – January 4, 2023

@ 1:21:55 Now, I was surprised. I was trying to figure out Sabbath morning. Where are we? Friday night, I just had this funny feeling before we ever got to the moment I was hoping for…all of a sudden, everything just appeared right at the perfect time. All these things lined up.

 

Would you prefer to read the edited or raw version?

 

For brevity and comprehension sake, it is a common editorial practice to present quotes in a more-polished fashion while maintaining the speaker's original intent.

 

Cleaning up Dave is a chore, but the benefit of understanding trumps exactness. Note that the editing does not misrepresent his meaning.

 

The point of this setup is: David C. Pack’s quotes are edited but still accurately maintain the integrity of his purpose.

 

But, when it comes to David C. Pack quoting David C. Pack…not so much.

 

 

During Part 413 this week, Dave quoted himself.

 

@ 1:23:44 To end 410, I said, just a little while back, “If it’s not in Tevet,” that was I a little different than the way I put it, “I’ll have no idea,” this an exact quote, “I’ll have no idea the year God’s Kingdom comes. I’ve done all I could possibly do.” That's what I said. I think the very last or second-to-last sentence of Part 410 just a few days ago.

 

The casual listener and the RCG on-the-fencers would let this slide, wanting the message to just be over already so they can move on with the rest of their day. This is a gnat not worth swallowing.

 

However, this small moment encapsulates so much of who David C. Pack is. It stands as an example of the corrupted thinking behind “The Greatest Unending Story!”

 

 

The guy cannot just spit out a simple quote without mangling it. But that is the least interesting aspect. He injected two parentheticals for two short sentences. Rushing mind. Rushing mouth. But more than that, those parentheticals expose the deception of his words. Verbal trickery.

 

These are the original statements from Part 410. The words he selected are in bold.

 

Part 410 – December 17, 2022

@ 1:44:21 Now, if Tevet 2 comes without Jesus Christ, I just wanna say something very plainly. I want everybody to hear me. I’ll have no idea the year God’s Kingdom comes. I won’t. I don’t believe that’s gonna happen, but I’m telling you because I don’t believe it’s gonna because I’ve stress-tested the living daylights outta this picture. I have no idea. There wouldn’t be a 411 explaining something. I’ve done all I can possibly do.

 

At first glance, you could argue that David C. Pack should leave the quoting to the professionals because he is terrible at it. It could be dismissed as incoherent words due to the incoherent thoughts delivered in an incoherent manner by an incoherent man.

 

The Part 413 misquote of Part 410 is a calculated deception executing precision of intent.

 

The first parenthetical states the quote was altered. Then, the second states it was exact. For any listener to understand what he truly meant, they would have to fact-check him and compare the words from the original. Otherwise, it sounds like a misspeak he is correcting. It is not.

 

He intentionally altered the first sentence. He did not change the second.

 

Why is that interesting?

 

Dave was not referring to the whole month of Tevet during Part 410, but specifically to the day of Tevet 2. A day that failed. But now he needs it to apply to all of Tevet to make his current theory appear valid.

 

David C. Pack quoted himself but changed the wording and context.

 

He does that with the Bible all day long, so it is easy-peasy to distort his own words.

 

His original point was that if Tevet 2 (December 25 – Christmas Day) was incorrect, he would not be able to come back with further explanations. Yet, before Tevet 11 (January 4), he had further explanations.

 

Changing the meaning and context from applying to a month instead of a day enabled him to save some face. The Pastor General manipulated the brethren.

 

He also excised a considerable amount from the repackaging of his own words. The “stress-testing the living daylights outta this picture” proved utterly worthless. This screams that even when Dave puts in “maximum effort” beyond what Deadpool exerts, it still adds up to nothing.

 

He also conveniently left out the embarrassing point that there would be no Part 411. To leave that in for Part 413 would have been pure comedy. Especially when Part 414 is already on the horizon.

 

 

David C. Pack misquoted and misapplied his own words. But, he also expressed a distorted reality that is one of the foundational traits of his existence.

 

He lives a self-deception and sucks everyone in RCG into it. The Headquarters “ministers” experience it the worst but still choose to support it.

 

Note the last sentence of his statement.

 

Part 413 – January 4, 2023

@ 1:24:04 That’s what I said. I think the very last or second to last sentence of Part 410 just a few days ago.

 

The gap between Part 410 and Part 413 was eighteen days. That is a liberal interpretation of “a few.” On its own, that would be nit-picky, tapping for a loose brick. But, it is not alone.

 

The Part 410 quote ended at 1:44:54. The message finished at 1:49:06.

 

Dave spoke for an additional four minutes and twelve seconds. But that does not matter. He felt like it was at the very end; therefore, he presents that it was at the very end. The brethren listening will believe it was at the very end. But reality and facts prove it was NOT at the very end.

 

David C. Pack creates his own version of the truth and declares it to RCG as fact. The Chinese launched an artificial sun into the atmosphere. Nobody ever looked up the word “pale“ in Revelation before. All the ministers agree. The members of RCG are the first to ever understand this. The Open House was well-attended. This is clearly Elijah talking with Daniel. You will not be going home from the Feast. Salvation comes in November of 2022. I’m gonna absolutely prove ABC. I will never XYZ.

 

David C. Pack is not a man of his word. Facts and physical reality do not matter to him.

 

This is why a brief moment where Dave misquotes Dave is a cautionary tale.

 

 

The presented points are not worth discussion if they were isolated incidences scattered across time. But collectively, they paint a disturbing and consistent pattern of thinking.

 

Dennis Diehl aptly made this observation this morning:

 

Dave does not have a past or a future. His delusion lives in the present.

 

This blew my mind. Dave cannot recall the past accurately. Dave does not consider the consequences in the future. He thinks what he thinks at the moment and says what he says at the moment, truth be damned. His words BECOME truth.

 

Failures of the past are promises of success in the future. Mistakes from yesterday are proof of accuracy for tomorrow.

 

The past is what he makes it. The future is what he makes it. Reality has nothing to do with the thinking of David C. Pack. Accountability is for those who have a present. Dave has zero accountability.

 

He cannot be trusted with the big things, and he cannot be trusted with the little things. The hireling enablers at Headquarters allow it to be so. They know but do nothing.

 

David C. Pack has no control over the corruption his mind is capable of. Trust any of his words at your own peril. Even when he quotes himself.


Marc Cebrian

See: Quoting. Or Misquoting?

Little Crackpot Prophet Tooting His Little Horn Once Again

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Just when you think things can't get any crazier on COGland, the great Bwana to Africa and 150 Caucasians starts tooting his little horn on how magnificent he is and how awesome his little group is. Never in human history has there been a COG that has done such a mighty work in these perilous end times where persecution has been so intense. We regularly mock him that he is so special that he was envisioned before the creation of the world to arise in this age. Now the narcissistic tooter claims Jesus foretold of the rise of Bwana Bob's little group in this day and age.

Of course, the magic dream machine has to rear its ridiculous head as more proof of Beto's magnificence.

Continuing COG’s 10 Unique Years
The [improperly named] Continuing Church of God (CCOG) was publicly proclaimed as a separate organization on December 28, 2012. What has happened in the 10 years since? Could it best represent the Philadelphian remnant as it prepares for the “short work” of Romans 9:28 and leads the “final phase of the work”? Has information been restored on doctrine, prophecy, and church history? Did Jesus point to that happening? Were there dreams that preceded the start of the CCOG? Any parallels to the start of the old Radio Church of God? Does God use dreams? Are there supposed to be any true prophets in these last days per Acts 2:17-18? How should you distinguish between false prophets and true ones? Does Bob Thiel have the fruits and meet the criteria of a true biblical prophet? Will there be costs to Laodiceans who refuse to accept that God has any prophet alive today? Which Christians are not protected during the Great Tribulation? Does the CCOG have unique signs of God’s restoration? Dr. Thiel addresses these issues and more.

Bwana Bob is not leading a "final" work. Jesus no more pointed to Bob and his church than he is to Dave Pack or Gerald Flurry. The only parallels to the old Radio Church of God Beto has is that both of them were born during a fit of rebellious apostasy because of a certain group they each were tied to refused to listen to them and follow their demands. 

Beto is not a true prophet and in fact, spreads lies. Beto is as far from meeting the criteria of a biblical prophet as Gerald Flurry is possessing the coronation stone Jesus will return to. Neither will happen.

No Christian should ever fear for their salvation if they refuse to acknowledge Beto Bob and his little group as the true remnant or that he is a real prophet. What absolute lunacy! Does any COG member in any of the other COG's actually believe this tripe?

Will there be costs to Laodiceans who refuse to accept that God has any prophet alive today? Which Christians are not protected during the Great Tribulation?

Living Church of God members were the first to understand Thiel to be a liar and a false prophet when they refused to follow him. Tens of thousands of other COG members in various groups also refused to follow him because they recognize him as a false teacher and false prophet. 

Bob can toot his little horn all he wants. He still remains a false prophet and a liar leading a rather pathetic imitation of a Church of God.


To the Enablers of the False Apostle David C. Pack: Time for a Bit of Parenting of Your Man-Child



I am sure that all of us who have children have experienced times when they were little just full of it. Constant noise and questions. Toys scattered everywhere and whinings galore.  If it was one thing it was another and their demands of us were endless and not to meet them would simply end up with more constant noise, questions, scattered toys, and whining. 

Finally, after much "tone it down please", "I want you to sit and read a different book for now." "Please don't throw your toys"  "Could you pick up the ones you are not playing with and put them away?" And "I"m not deaf! Please stop whining!", we had had enough.

"Ok now!   THAT'S ENOUGH!

Nap time! 

By now, you men, and let's throw in your wives, need to confront your Man-Child and rather Evil Shepherd and put him to bed. This lunacy, and it is lunacy or perhaps a personality disorder on parade as we might say today, about Jesus' Second Coming is going nowhere, never did, never would, and never could. Your Man-Child is on a delusional toy-throwing, milk-spilling, pants-pooping party with the occasional whining that YOU are the problem and not him. 

If you do not heed this call to Parent and reign in your Man-Child, Evil Shepherd, and False Apostle David C Pack in the very near future "Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda" will be fulfilled in your ears.

Just DO IT before it is too late!

...or kiss your fish goodbye...