Saturday, March 18, 2023

A Place To Share Stories Of Abuse Or Wrongs In The Church

 


When I started this blog it was to showcase the many books and booklets written in the 1960s-1980s about the Worldwide Church of God and Herbert Armstrong that detailed heretical teachings and or abuses in the church. It swiftly changed to highlighting actual occurrences in the present-day church. Since I started this blog I have always given it as an open forum for this who want to expose abuses in their groups. While I and others here can be snarky, as many of us are when it comes to abuse of members by corrupt church leaders, I have and will continue to freely give this as a forum for those people, without my snarky comments, to share their hurts and/or grievances.

Bob Thiel loves to claim we are an anti-God or anti-COG blog, but that is not the case. We tend to take our focus on the abusive and many times heretical things that church LEADERS say or do. Rarely do we go after regular members of the church who oftentimes are very since in their beliefs and try to do what they think God expects of them. While I may disagree doctrinally with them on certain points, I still let them share their stories and grievances. This is something that all the Churches of God currently disallow. This is also another reason I have continues to allow "anonymous" comments. The backlash that many commenters would receive from their minister or church group would be swift and painful.

With Bob Thiel, since day one, we knew something was not right. Rod Meredith knew this. Dibar Aprtian knew this.  The ministry of the Living Church of God knew this and the ministry of the Worldwide Church of God knew this. This is why NO Church of God EVER ordained him into a leadership position that gave him a platform to preach.

While narcissism tends to be an element of most church leaders and ministers, which members tend to accept in small doses, members also understand that church leaders and ministers are SUPPOSED to be servant leaders. Very few are, sadly. With Bob Thiel, this is blatantly true. 

From day one, Thiel's ministry has been about himself. He is the most significant person ever to lead a COG in these end times. No other COG is as great as his. No other COG is doing a "work" as great as his. No other COG has more booklets and articles "published" in other languages than his group. No other COG is the fastest-growing church than his. No other COG preaches a gospel better than he does. The constant backslapping is appalling and repulsive and he wonders why no one in the church wants to follow him. 

The church has always warned about wolves creeping in and members being unaware; there are ample numbers of scriptures that they get this warning from. This blog, The Painful Truth,  Rod Meredith, Dibar Apartian, and others saw through the subtle deceptions and lies of Bob from day one. We will continue to keep the heat on him.

All of the groups that split off from the mother church had an opportunity to start fresh and do things right. Only a handful of independent COG groups do this. Those that do this do not have the focus of their members on specific church leaders or church governance. These groups know what the abuse did to their people in the past and have made a concerted effort to not do it again. 

Let me repeat again, if you are looking for a forum to share abuse going on in your particular group then I will post that information, without commentary. If you want things to be anonymous, we can do that too. 

Terry Nelson on CCOG Africa Problems: "The Facts are, I have to stop it/ I can't take Abuse of Innocent Women and children, when people are begging me to help them and Pretend it doesn't exist"

 


Anonymous said...

I remember when you and your son went to Arica. I thought at the time what a wonderful opportunity. I'm sorry that Dr. Thiel is so blind to facts.

Yes, I'm sorry also/ You have understand this has grieved my whole family as we all looked up to Dr Thiel / but I Realize , I couldn't compromise on truth/ I was sent to Africa Twice; I was told by Dr Thiel to see if they really know what we teach; he seemed even suspicious, so naturally when I found all these scandals and Alexsander Veljic found SCANDALS when he was there; I mean what are you logically supposed to think/ investigation for almost a year/ Alexander Veljic suffering with this knowledge for 6 years/ I really didn't want to believe this; but I guess I was meant for this as a Test from God to see if I would turn a blind eye or just say God will work it out/ The Facts are, I have to stop it/ I can't take Abuse of Innocent Women and children, when people are begging me to help them and Pretend it doesn't exist/ I'll be judged/ I'm glad I'm free from pretending everything is good in CCOG Africa/ now I don't have to/ Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God is now a Safe Haven for the abused people of CCOG Africa/ we must go after and protect the abused and lost sheep/ Dont you think God would expect that/ Obey God rather then men 🙂👍Terry Nelson/ Keep the truth Brethren

Aleksandar Veljic: "The straw that broke the camel`s back in my personal case was when I learned about practitioners of witchcraft being in CCOG and serving the devil by their actions."


I am here to confirm all the things written above by Terry Nelson. Terry Nelson, toward the end of 2022 has informed me of the terrible abuses happening in Africa and had corroborated his claims with numerous proofs. He appealed to me as to an elder, and presented convincing evidence. Even thought I had heard of all kinds of wrong things going on in Africa, now I had evidence that it was all truth. During my 7 years of faithful service to CCOG, I had been trying to hint to Dr. Thiel that there are various problems in Africa that cannot be ignored, let alone financed, but he would usually present me with his own reasoning and with the reports that he got from Africa. And some of us who have had some experience with Africa (I was sent there by Dr. Thiel in 2017) had been aware that those reports are filled with untrue statements. For example, we have always known that there were certainly not that many members as African reports would claim. And now there are even less members as some have left to flee from the abuses of Evans Ochieng.  

Also, I want to confirm that Terry Nelson, other than presenting me with disturbing facts about CCOG African abuses, has helped me register Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God. That has been solely my initiative as I thought we would be removed eventually for standing up for the truth, and I did not want people to be dumped on the street spiritually speaking, but to have a spiritual refuge if they decided to stand up for the same values I cherish. Let it be known that we were forced out of CCOG mainly because we could not stand African deep CCOG corruption any more. The straw that broke the camel`s back in my personal case was when I learned about practitioners of witchcraft being in CCOG and serving the devil by their actions. That was the moment I decided I could no longer be in that organization. I have tried to provide comfort and encouragement to all those who sought it from me. And considering the treatment that we, friends of Dr. Thiel, were given by Dr. Thiel, all I could do was to leave him to his views and convictions, and simply move on for I did not want to be associated with people in that organization who are basically Satanists (witchcraft practioners). Aleksandar Sasha Veljic