Dave Pack: "You have my permission to pray Mr. Pack botched this"

 

The Great Excuse Maker

 

David C. Pack began The Restored Church of God Ministerial Conference by changing the length of the First Kingdom to Israel from ten days to one month. Again. He opened the five-day event by reversing what he said in the previous message earlier in the week.

 

This set the tone for the entire Ministerial Conference, and it would not be the last time he had to flip-flop in front of a room full of visitors. Within the first ten minutes of the first message on the first day, he launched into a belabored laundry list of feeble excuses for why he was wrong, yet again.

 

The opening message introduces the theme of the Conference every year. And the topics during “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 448, Part 1)” on June 11, 2023, sure fit the bill.

 

The official theme of the 2023 Restored Church of God Ministerial Conference was “Great Changes Create Greater Disappointments Followed By The Greatest Excuses.” Be sure to let Ken Orel know which T-shirt size you need to order before he heads off to Atlanta.

 

One of the benefits of being a chronic narcissist is the ability to make paper-thin excuses while still managing to sprinkle praise throughout. Watching Dave explain what went wrong with his teachings while also emphasizing glowing spin is like discovering a long dog turd covered in powdered sugar.

 

Dave knows what it is made of but tries to present it with sweetened verbal trickery. No matter what the Pastor General tells you he is feeding you…DO NOT EAT IT.

 

 

David C. Pack is a master manipulator using words of greasy sophistry.

 

Part 448, Part 1 – June 11, 2023

@ 11:10 This one year. And frankly, as wonderful as the one year was to learn about, it threw me in a way I didn't realize was happening, and I was rushing to put together this amazing knowledge…What happened to the initional initial month that somehow became 10 days?

 

He frequently uses the slippery technique of disassociating his role in creating the doctrines he now backs away from.

 

@ 11:54 What happened to the month? How did it become 10 days? ...essentially, I didn't throw out what I said three days before. All these wonderful points from [Part] 446…But it was very clear.

 

Very clear? Try very wrong. But that is a minor detail.

 

@ 12:17 With the 10 and 7 days, the way it looked like I was correctly reading the very end of Daniel 9…I could only conclude that the month had to fit at the end of the year. From the 1290 to the 1260 before the 7-Year Kingdom. That's not true. I'll show you what I discovered. That's not true.

 

What he discovered in a previous message was not true. He said so twice. What he just discovered is what he was excited about. Too bad that discovery also turned out to be untrue by the end of the Conference.

 

@ 13:00 And I wanna show you the error because in learning the error, you'll learn more about the year.

 

Dave is failing his way into success, just as Stephen Covey always taught.

 

@ 13:10 I was learning big things fast. I was working on multiple projects, still trying to figure out if Elijah rose first, and had missed other powerful things about the Acceptable Year of the Lord….by the time I'm done today, we're gonna not only re-identify the month, I believe we can now conclusively tell you which month it is. But the timing and the trial and error and the hit and miss has been resolved.

 

Nothing has been resolved. Do not think we missed it when Tammuz 1 (June 20) failed, Dave.

 

The one-month period of Part(s) 448 became three months before it was thrown out to become some vague “Sixth Head” period at the conclusion of the Conference. The prophetic landscape continues to evolve, with Parts 453, 454, and 455 still resting in my ToDo folder.

@ 13:44 The 10 days and 7 years and 1 year to the Great Day of the Lord and placement of a chag and caused the difficulty…trying to examine a flurry of the greatest events ahead that we had not seen before. That was the difficulty.

 

Prophecy is hard. Dave should leave it to the experts. Or better yet, leave it to a true prophet of God.

 

After each sentence, I could pause, laugh, and point out the ridiculousness. This went on and on and on through the Conference. He really did set the theme with his frail linguistic contortions. How those enablers managed to sit and listen to Dave talk like this for five days straight is a testimony to the lack of discernment and wisdom in The Restored Church of God ministry.

 

 

David C. Pack loves to tempt God as there is no fear of God before his eyes.

 

Pre-Conference Part 447 – June 6, 2023

@ 1:56:16 10-1-7-1000 is immutable. I will die on that hill. That’s the hill I die on. There's no way the Scriptures change, or the Sabbath can change.

 

Come on, Dave. Even a cat only has NINE lives.

 

Part 448, Part 1 – June 11, 2023

@ 58:07 1-1-7-1000. You can book it. Don’t ever be challenged again.

 

David C. Pack challenged this again by changing one month to three months. And then altered it again.

 

Part 451, Part 2 – June 14, 2023

@ 24:39 But, now, with this three months kind of resetting everything, I mean, you talk about Etch-A-Sketch in terms of our timing. We’re right on track per what God was gonna do. It's just God has inserted in front of us two months we could never pin down. We didn’t see.

 

@ 37:16 It all fits perfectly. Perfectly. It’s exquisite. It’s tight.

 

David C. Pack credits God with the discovery of the exquisite three-month period that fits perfectly. If that were true, why did this vital knowledge last less than 24 hours?

 

Part 452 – June 15, 2023

@ 03:44 Are we waiting two months for a one-month kingdom? Or are we waiting three months for a one-year kingdom? What? Or are we waiting one month for a one-year kingdom? Or four days for a one month for a one-year kingdom? "Mr. Pack, you threw in one year there instead of a short kingdom.” I know. You know, one of the problems that has plagued me, I’d like to think it’s humility [chuckles], but I’ve been unable to get myself to believe we would actually lead the world for an entire year…

 

Dave chuckled when he mentioned his humility. Even he does not buy it. That portion of his comments has been isolated if you care to hear it.

@ 10:01 We’re gonna come to grips with a powerful reality. And, I mean, it's inescapable. There is no way to escape what I’m gonna tell you. And I finally come to grips with it.

 

@ 17:27 I wonder if we’re literally waiting for a King and followed by a kingdom.

 

This is how to slide from three months to a vague, undetermined “Sixth King” period. It would spoil the punch line if I told you David C. Pack now teaches the Sixth Head of Revelation 17 is Vladimir Putin. Shush. Do not tell anyone. We will save that for another time.

 

 

It is bad enough when Dave swears on his own life, but he goes on to swear on the lives of the brethren.

 

Part 448, Part 1 – June 11, 2023

@ 53:34 I don’t want any lingering in the back of anybody’s mind the idea that the whole thing is 10 days or 7 days. I wanna clear the deck that that picture is absolutely right. And this is the hill ya die on.

 

David C. Pack is like the guy who wants to commit suicide by jumping off a bridge. He convinces a friend to jump with him. Once they reach the top, Dave tells him, “Hey, you go first.” The friend jumps and quickly realizes Dave is not behind him. The last thing the fool hears as he falls is Dave shouting, “I changed my mind.”

 

Any foolish members of The Restored Church of God who privately accepted Dave’s challenge to believe the one-month must have felt that bucket of ice water poured over them when he changed it three days later. But maybe not. They also must not care when he is irreverent with God.

 

Part 448, Part 1 – June 11, 2023

@ 58:13 We pretty much had it settled until God threw us this extraordinary curveball of that year and the anointing of God Almighty by all Israel…and His incredible power and love allows them to do it.

 

So, having a death wish is no problem. Error being the only pathway to truth is no problem.

 

Part 448, Part 1 – June 11, 2023

@ 58:30 And that threw me. We’re, you know, been trial and error. Then, hit and miss and, occasionally, piecemeal.

 

Claiming to be Elijah the Prophet now is no problem.

 

Pre-Conference Part 447 – June 6, 2023

@ 2:02:42 Now, the fact that He’s revealing this to me, I have to be a prophet…I have to be Elijah now.

 

Setting dates that will fail is no problem.

 

Part 450 Part 1 – June 13, 2023

@ 20:56 Nobody could ever convince me the Father doesn’t come on Av 1 [July 18 at sunset].

 

Part 450 Part 2 – June 13, 2023

@ 10:56 You could never ever ever move me from believing the Kingdom of God is not Av 1.

 

Then what could possibly move people out of The Restored Church of God?

 

Part 450, Part 2 – June 13, 2023

@ 35:52 What I’m gonna tell ya here, I hope, is wrong. Okay? I’ma just state it…I hope it is absolutely wrong. But, if I’m gonna be a wise and faithful servant, I hafta tell ya what I think is right, and you have every right if you’ve got any brains in you (and you all do), pray I’m wrong. It’s okay. You have my permission to pray Mr. Pack botched this.

 

Nobody needs to pray for that. Of course, he botched it. Then will come the world-class excuses from The Great Excuse Maker, David C. Pack.

Marc Cebrian

See: The Great Excuse Maker

Bwana Mzungu Bob Thiel: "Our greatest Prophet Of Possibilities, is getting hoodwinked big-time"

Bwana Mzungu Magoo Bob Thiel: too blind to see what is really going on in Africa

"Thiel doesn't know Jack squat about anything in Africa, 

he's a complete Fool that was warned"

Our Great Bwana to Africa has been working overtime to claim that many of those who left his co-called "continuing" Church of God in Africa have now returned to his glorious one true flock. However, since this is the Great Bwana speaking, you need to take most of what he says with a grain of salt. Things are never quite what they look like on the surface.

The following arrived today from Terry Nelson:

Just in: 

 

Our greatest Prophet Of Possibilities, is getting hoodwinked big-time; it's been reported that John Machemba of Mwanza Center has left Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God and joined back with CCOG. This is TOTALLY FALSE as Radson Mulozowa is in deep s### now that he doesn't have congregations to get the Big Feast Funds that are going to soon be given by the Great Muzungu Bob Thiel.

FYI: What is the meaning of the word Mzungu or Muzungu? According to Wikipedia:

Mzungu is the southern, central and eastern African term for a person of foreign descent. Literally translated it means “someone who roams around aimlessly” or “aimless wanderer” (from the Swahili and Ganda words).

And this definition:

The word mzungu comes from Kiswahili, where zungu or zunguka is the word for spinning around on the same spot. Kizunguzungu is Kiswahili for dizziness. The term is now used to refer to "someone with white skin" or "white skin", but can be used to refer to all foreigners more generally.

Mzungu is a perfect description of Bwana Bob. Ever since he was cast into outer darkness by Rod Meredith when he was kicked out of the Living Church of God, the Great Bwana has been wandering aimlessly trying to use dreams, so-called double blessings, and literature counts as means of justification for the existence of his little cult. But, try as he might, in spite of all the photo ops being sent from Africa, most of the brethren there have no idea who he is other than being the white Overseer from America trying to save them. Only the money grubbers who continually rake in profits from Bwana Bob, COG7, SDA's, and other Sabbatarian groups that are the quickest to open their wallets, truly know who he is.

Let's continue:

The Only Congregation that CCOG has is Chileka Center, and they only stayed with them to get the Iron Sheets to roof their Church. We should know as Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God met the Leadership of Chileka and this plan was in play back in May of this year. 

 

This False Report was reported by Master Witch Doctor apprentice so called Evangelist Evan Ochieng in Thiels June 15 th Letter to the Brethren. Master Evans and his mini-me minion Radson Mulozowa are in Deep Panic mode as 95% of CCOG in Malawi have abandoned ship and jumped over to Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God which actually cares about the people of Malawi instead of Bob Thiel's Church of Witch Doctors, Whoopie, and Whack Jobs that practice all kinds of carnal lusts and EVIL. 

Doesn't this create a warm fuzzy picture of Bwana Mzungu Bob's group!  LOL  

Sadly Dr Thiel doesn't know Up from Down as back in December Louis Wahela and John Machemba were fired from CCOG by Evans Ocheing on his unannounced mission to Malawi to uncover mass corruption. Me think it strange that Dr Thiel would accept John Machemba back to CCOG, when he was fired for corruption and bribes, but hey, what ever Evans Ocheing says Thiel must obey, otherwise numbers flounder. 

 

Sadly CCOG is based on this Africa sham, all just for numbers. Included in this article are pictures of Forester Abraham and John Machemba this last Sabbath of June 15 th, showing Mwanza Center is still with Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God. 

 

Sadly Dr Thiel won't wake up until Major Headlines of Africa corruption via CCOG are verified. When that happens I imagine it will put the Nail in the Coffin. 

 

Wake up current tithe supporting CCOG members, you're really supporting pure Evil! 

 

Terry Nelson. Cry Aloud Spare not

The Great Bwana Mzungu to Africa gloatingly reported the following letter recently:

"Pastor Dr Bob,

Greetings from Kenya.

I was on fasting for some days so I delayed not to send the report as I promised. Today I was in my tomatoes garden from morning to evening. The work in Kenya has expanded that needs a lot of care. I was on fasting for the four days and praying. I can’t explain how much the work is growing not only in Kenya but Africa at large. I’m receiving good reports from all corners of Africa how God has opened the doors for the gospel. Arthur Topos from Lodwar was in Kakuma refugees center, where he met the refugees and before that he was at the border of Ethiopia and Kenya where there is another congregation.

I’ve received good reports from Rwanda, Congo, Malawi and Mozambique. I sent Molozwa to go and meet with Machemba who had been calling me and wanted to come back to the Church after he rejected the rubbish in Hope of Israel worldwide church of God. He decided to come back to the church. Radson Molozwa gave me a report that their discussion went very well and Machemba is back to CCOG.

This week Molozwa has been visiting congregations in Malawi. Today he was in Cheleka."

Anyone who has ever been part of the Church of God for a long period of time can tell a snow job when they read and hear it. There are not enough snow plows in the United States that can ever clear this road off! 

The Great Bwana Mzungu to Africa also had this as more proof of his exaltedness as a church by providing a letter that mentions how Evans Ochieng made an unannounced trip to Malawi recently to fire some ministers there:

"We are glad that the chicken and goat projects are still helping our brethren in Africa.

Radson Mulozowa also mentioned two chicken projects in Malawi that failed, and that they were led by two men that had spiritual problems.

Evangelist Evans Ochieng just returned from an unannounced visit to Malawi. We decided that going unannounced would better help him investigate various complaints we have received related to leaders in Malawi. It is sad that we have people who claim to be of us, but then will not hold to the truth–and Evans Ochieng and others met and addressed issues with those two men (who were told they were no longer part of CCOG) and some others.

That said, we also provided assistance today to Mozambique so that they can buy fertilizer to raise more food. Fertilizer costs have risen related to Russia’s incursion into Ukraine and sanctions imposed because of that."

The claim by The Great Bwana Mzungu to Africa that the Malawi brethren have all returned to his sacred flock is not true:

Pictures of Forester Abraham, and John Machemba at Mwanza Center on June 15, 2023, 

Abraham Is Chief Council for Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God 

This is the Facebook screenshot of comments I made about Chileka congregation getting Iron Sheets 

(metal roofing materials) and now that is confirmed 

Comment that I left on Jacob Otieno profile back on May 6th. Thiel doesn't know Jack squat about anything Africa, he's a complete Fool that was warned:

LCG: Constantly living in fear of the power of Satan

Here we go again. Satan, that crafty wily dude that is constantly leading Living Church of God people astray is hard at work trying to do it again. Misguided individuals are spreading rumors and spreading false doctrines to disrupt the mighty mission of the church just like they did in Jesus' time.

Other than mentioning Jesus name because it is convenient, Winnail does not elaborate on what traditional Christianity understands about Jesus and Satan.

Satan's Devices: God raised up His Church to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God (Mark 16:15), to warn the world of a coming judgment (Mathew 24), and to prepare a people to reign with Jesus Christ (Luke 1:17). Satan has tried to thwart this mission down through history by attacking Jesus and His disciples and using misguided individuals to spread rumors and false doctrines to disrupt the Work of the early Church (1 Corinthians 1:10–13; Galatians 1:6–9). Satan’s goal has not changed. Today, we are in a spiritual war with a cunning adversary (Ephesians 6:10–20) who is still using the same devices (2 Corinthians 2:11). This is why the Apostle Paul urged the early Church to be of “the same mind and in the same judgment” (1 Corinthians 1:10) and to “hold the traditions which you were taught” (2 Thessalonians 2:15). Peter warned that we must be able to recognize and resist Satan’s efforts to thwart the plan of God with his divisive devices (1 Peter 5:8–9). We must all strive to avoid being instruments in Satan’s hands—if we want to be in the coming Kingdom of God.
Have a profitable Sabbath,

Douglas S. Winnail

Things Christianity has always understood:

Satan and the demons are terrified of Christ and the gospel Matt. 8:29; Mark 1:24; James 2:19. They cannot separate believers in Christ from the love of God Rom. 8:38 They can be restrained by the Holy Spirit 2 Thess. 2:6; 1 John 4:4 They have to obey Jesus Matt. 8:32 They even had to obey the 12 disciples and the severity-two Luke 10:17–2. They unwittingly serve God’s purposes Judg. 9:23.

Yet, Church of God ministers live in a constant state of fear that Satan has more power than their god does and is constantly attacking the church and members. Maybe it is because the church talks so little about having confidence and assurity in Christ - something Christians have understood for two millennia.

Maybe if COG people stopped listening to deceivers like Thiel, Pack, Flurry, and Weinland they would not be constantly afraid of Satan and constantly talking about him.