Elijah Lectures PCG On How They Have It All Wrong

The Philadelphia Church of God has an article up in its January 2019 Trumpet magazine; Four Signs the Second Coming Is Near, by Joel Hilliker.

In it he says:

Weapons of mass destruction. An end-time Elijah. The true gospel preached around the world. The true Church splitting apart. These are four signs of Jesus Christ’s return that God inspired to be recorded and miraculously preserved in the Bible for 2,000 years. Today, they have all been fulfilled! These four specific signs, along with many others, show for certain that Jesus Christ is not just going to return, but He is going to return soon.

Gerald Flurry and the PCG has always claimed that Herbert Armstrong was the end-time Elijah, which is an end-all statement that rubs the present day Elijah with some major butt-hurt.  By proclaiming Elijah has already arrived and completed his ministry leaves no room for the various COG self-appointed Elijah's and self-appointed prophets to anoint themselves and expect adoration. That is a major bone of contention for our favorite self-appointed, doubly anointed and almost arrested prophet to the COG and the world, Tinfoil Bob Thiel.

He writes:

Notice that the Elijah is to come just before the great and terrible day of the LORD, and if he did not come, utter destruction would occur.

Herbert W. Armstrong died in January 16, 1986.

Now let’s see what Herbert W. Armstrong actually wrote about the timing of the final Elijah: 

"Also Malachi 4:5-6 pictures the Elijah to come at the very end of the Church age     (Mystery of the Ages. 1985, p. 349). "

When did Herbert W. Armstrong write that the Church age was over? 

Notice: 

At the end of the Church age and 6,000 years from Adam, Christ would return to earth as King of kings and Lord of Lords, ruling all nations, with the saints, for one millennium. (Armstrong HW. What If Adam Had Taken of the Tree of Life? Plan Truth, March 1983)

The “very end” of the Church age was not over nearly 33 years ago! The 6000 years has NOT yet been fulfilled. Since the “very end of the Church age” has not happened, and Herbert W. Armstrong died decades ago, his writings support that there must be another Elijah. And he was referring to an individual in the Mystery of the Ages. 

Then, as usual, Tinfoil Bob trots our Dibar Apartain as if the man was a legitimate validation for end time events.  Given how the COG ministry has been abysmal failures in prophecy, using Apartian as a source shows poor judgment. Apartian was as theologically bankrupt as Meredith and Thiel both are. Plus, Tinfoil Bob has made lots of claims about conversations and statements Apartain supposedly said to him, none of which can ever be verified as true.  Given how every single COG leader has lied to get himself in positions of authority, why should we believe any less of Theil?

That being said, sometimes Herbert W. Armstrong did think that he may have fulfilled the Elijah role, but he told the late Dibar Apartian (who told me) that he was NOT the Elijah. Furthermore, essentially on his deathbed, Herbert W. Armstrong admitted to his closest aide, Aaron Dean (who told me this multiple times) that there could be an Elijah to come after he died. 

This combined with what Herbert W. Armstrong wrote in The Mystery of the Ages and the length of time since his death demonstrates that Herbert W. Armstrong could not biblically be the final prophesied Elijah.

Next, our prophet wanna-be throws out some more scripture to PROVE he is the end time Elijah that was prophecied to come.

Since the Bible does teach that there will be an ‘Elijah’ who is alive right before Jesus returns (Malachi 4:5-6), it is not possible that Herbert W. Armstrong was the prophesied final Elijah.

Now, presuming Jesus will return within the next couple of decades, then that ‘Elijah’ would need to be alive now. And he would be part of the church that places the highest priority on the truth. 

Yet, most Christians seemingly refuse to accept that.

We in the Continuing Church of God are regularly restoring more truth about church history, doctrine, and prophecy. And we have done this more, by far, than any other group in the 21st century (COG or otherwise for that matter).

Woe to be to those in the Church of God community and the world at large that reject this end-time Elijah and his church message!  Woe brethren!  Woe!

Sadly, just as many would not hear Elijah’s nor John the Baptist’s messages, relatively few will pay much attention to the end time Elijah as well.

That is not a surprise as most Christians in the end times were to be Laodicean, and Jesus warned the Laodiceans since they would not ‘get with the program,’ that they would be punished (Revelation 3:14-18).
Of course, if you are willing to believe the truth and do what the Bible teaches, that does not have to include you.

Was that supposed to happen?

Yes.

Notice something that Daniel wrote:

4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” (Daniel 12:4)

The end has not yet come. 

Therefore, Herbert W. Armstrong could not have possibly been the final Elijah and Matthew 24:14 has not yet been fulfilled. 

That being said, we in the Continuing Church of God are regularly restoring more truth, while we are reaching people around the world and preparing for the short-work (Romans 9:28), because Jesus will be coming relatively soon. 

It is just that on at least two points in Joel Hilliker’s article, the so titled Philadelphia Church of God is wrong.

Those poor deceived people in the Philadelphia Church of God just do not get it! Truth only lies in the improperly named "continuing" Church of God and NOWHERE ELSE!!!   The problem lies in the fact that if they join up with Thiel they are just jumping from one spiritual despot to another.  God has nothing to do with Gerald Flurry and the Philadelphia Church of God anymore than he does with the improperly named "continuing" Church of God.  God never appointed Bob Thiel, just as he never appointed Gerald Flurry as a COG leader.  That is a fact that cannot be refuted.

Any deluded fool can claim his dreams are god inspired and then turn them into mythological status as Thiel has done. God did no such thing with Thiel and he cannot prove that He did.

So essentially we have one deluded man lecturing another deluded man on what he thinks is right.

Worst Sermon in the History of Christianity

Facts and Atheists' Delusions About Jesus

Truly the most disorganized, rambling,  poorly presented and boring sermon ever given "proving" his Faith.  Bob's proof of everything is to simply say it's true and those who say it isn't are wrong.  Now there's academic precision for ya!

And too...Jesus did not "fulfill 200 prophecies from the Old Testament"

Whole Lot of Shakin' Going On?

Bob Thiel's Prophetic Style

• PCG claims: ‘Four Signs the Second Coming Is Near’
• We'll just have to see


• Did Jesus have physical children?
• You need to know!


• Boy Scouts of America file for bankruptcy protection related to suits for abuse of boys
• Can the end of this age be any more clear?


• Increased Eurasian cooperation and the final time of the Gentiles
• Again....


• Could the Swiss be descended from Israel’s son Gad?
• Eee Gads!   Inquiring minds want to know!
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•  Is Switzerland prepared for the coming collapse?
• How about Somalia?  Cuba?


• Is Yellowstone Geyser Activity a Sign Gog-Magog War is Close?
• I TOLD YOU NO!


• EU makes world’s largest ‘free trade deal’ as some see EU moving towards totalitarian fascism
• And some don't


• Do you realize how much the ‘Lady of Guadalupe’ impacted civilization?
• No, tell me!


• Electromagnetic threat real: Could it be a factor in the fall of the USA?
• Could be but probably would only mess up Netflix Night


• Brexit: Is Theresa May playing ‘Deal or No Deal’?
• You tell me?


• Are Protestants a ‘Tannenbaum religion’?
• If so, time is short! 
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• Did the Vatican warn against Christmas trees?
• Not that I recall, but go ahead...


• Sanhedrin ceremonially dedicates altar with a burnt offering!
• Definitely sounds ceremonial in nature


• Migrant backlash in Europe: Will Islamic migrants be pushed out?
• Hmmm...perhaps!


• AlphaZero AI: Closer to 666 Beast control
• Time will tell


• 101st anniversary of the Turkish surrender of Jerusalem
• So what?


• Fulton Sheen on the last days and an anti-pope
• Definitely prophetic


• Super Blood Moon expected next month: Are prophetic concerns justified?
• If they are, they shouldn't be


• BibleNewsProphecy: Might the Great Tribulation start in 2019?
• Probably not


• Yellow vest violence in France continues and spreads to Belgium
• I got nothin'


• Iran, Russia, & WWIII: Is there a way to escape?
• I don't live in Iran or Russia so I don't worry about it


• Sermon: Daniel 9, Jews, and Jesus
• No connection


• 666 Surveillance and ‘Famine of the Word’ Censorship
• 666 Surveillance???


• ‘EU initiates proposal to dump the dollar and to create a PetroEuro system’
• Might be wise


• Remembering Dibar Apartian and his warning
• Because, darn it, Dibar liked me!


• ‘Do Coins Reveal the Futility of our Times?’
• You know...I was wondering this just the other day


• ‘It’s my deal, no deal or no Brexit at all: UK PM May’
• "...and women shall rule over them"


• ‘The Real St. Nicholas – Not Fat and Not Very Jolly Either’
• OMG!   Time IS short!!!


• BBC: Festive Satanic statue added to Illinois statehouse
Well...it's only fair
• WCG group sizes: CCOG appears to be number 4
• 4th out of nothing is no biggy


• Well, I think we get the point.  If OT prophets were like Bob, the Bible would sound like this:
• "Behold, could a virgin conceive?  Does the name Immanuel mean "God with us"? or "God IS with us"?  (Big Diff) 
• "Is it possible there could be no rain on any of the nations that come not up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles??
• "Can Jesus come like a thief in the night?"
• "Might the Book of Revelation be showing us things that perhaps could shortly come to pass?"
• "Does Jesus Come Quickly or Not?"
• "Can the Lion and the Lamb actually get along"?
• "Is it safe for a little child to lead them?"
• "Will we be changed in a moment and will our eyes twinkle?"
• "Will God be able to actually wipe away all tears from their eyes?"
• "Can a fool really say in his heart, there is no God?"
• "Is it possible Jesus will come in the clouds and that all eyes shall see him on a round earth?"
• "Is that a New Heaven and a New Earth I see and is is possible for the first earth to have passed away?"
• "Will the New Jerusalem come down out of heave adorned like a bride for her husband or not ?"
• "Jesus could possibly come soon."
• "Yellowstone! Possible location for the Lake of Fire?"

  A prophet that relies on question marks to state his case is no prophet like any prophet we have ever seen in history. Of course, straight out prophecies in the OT have failed time and again if one has eyes to see it. But at least the prophet stuck his neck out.  "Could it be?" "Perhaps this is it?" "Might this be important?"  "Is it possible I might be a prophet?" simply does not qualify as rough and tough prophet speak.  

Could it be that Bob Thiel is not a prophet?

Does a Double Portion bump you up from the common cold to Prophet?

My Dreams...Could they be the key to my prophetic self?

Does time really tell?

We'll see.....perhaps

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Bullshit Bob Asks.....

Is Yellowstone Geyser Activity a Sign Gog-Magog War is Close?

NO!

We all know that Bullshit Bob uses the Bronze Age concept of weather to assure everyone that his God uses it "to try and get people's attention."  A God that has to "try" is not much in the all powerful category. 

But " it's in the Bible" or " the Bible says"  mutter the God is Trying Haunted Weather Watchers.  In this case, as in many others, it does not matter what the Bible says, notes, warns, imagines or explains.  It is wrong, out of date and badly mistaken about the true nature everything from the "treasuries of the snow"  to the "windows of heaven." 

Today one can go through every "Where were you Job when, " or "Do you know...?" that Bible God throws at Job and give a perfectly good explanation for all of it. The answer to all of the "Do you know..." today is "Yes, in fact we do know." Most grammar school kids today know.  The speech of God to Job is badly and sadly out of time and date. Of course it was actually made up by a human being who could not imagine the answers to his own questions about the nature of things around him thousands of years ago, so.....It must be God knowledge!  You know....if you can't explain something yet, God did it! 

Or as some say,  "I don't know...therefore...ALIENS!"

 If Yellowstone blew sky high  tomorrow, or Mt Hood, St. Helens, Adams, Ranier or Jefferson in the PNW, it would have absolutely nothing to do with God or His trying to get anyone's attention for any particular reason.  It's pretty much connected to Juan De Fuca plate, heading East and  diving under the North American Plate, which is moving West.  It's just that simple. When, not if, the PNW has its next slip of the Cascadian Plates and the predictable 9+ earthquake to follow, which indeed will put Vancouver, Seattle, Tacoma and Portland in the Stone Age in five minutes, it will have NOTHING to do with any God trying to get anyone's attention. It is simply how the planet works out here. 

Excerpt Most Stupid....

"...…..A mystic rabbi suggested that an alarming spate of recent geyser activity in Yellowstone National Park may be the precursor to the pre-Messiah war of Gog and Magog.  …

After four years of total silence, the Steamboat Geyser in Yellowstone National Park in northwest Wyoming came back to life on Saturday, shooting steam 200 feet into the air. Steamboat  is the largest in the world with eruptions reaching up to 400 feet. This latest eruption set a new record for the geyser of 30 eruptions in one year. …

A correlation between geyser activity and earthquakes has not been proven, but some scientists believe that geological shifting may lead to increased geothermal events. The Yellowstone region has seen a period of increased earthquakes and swarms of minor tremors. In June 2017, the Wyoming area of Yellowstone was hit by a persistent swarm of approximately 2,400 tremors.  These swarms are continuing this year at a slightly lower rate.

Rabbi Yekutiel Fish, author of the Hebrew Torah blog, Sod HaChashmal, emphasized that forces of nature, such as earthquakes and volcanoes, are manifestations of God’s judgement, denoted in the Bible by His name ‘elohim.’  (THIS IS BALONEY! The "Elohim" are the Council of the Gods overseen by "El" the Chief God , first of the Canaanites and then of the Israelites with modifications. The Elohim are the "US" of "Let US make man in OUR Image.") The rabbi noted that the seismic aspect of God’s influence in the world was explicitly described in Psalms.
Therefore we are not afraid though the earth reels, though mountains topple into the sea. Its waters rage and foam; in its swell mountains quake. Selah. Psalms 46:3-4

“The entire world will be judged before the Moshiach (Messiah),” Rabbi Fish told Breaking Israel News. “Nature will change, be less normal, because God will be guiding it in a more direct manner.”
“This will be especially true during the War of Gog and Magog,” he said. “The war will be unique in that it won’t be simply a war between countries. God will play a major role via nature, through natural disasters.”
“The verse in Psalms is clearly referring to tsunamis which will increase in the days preceding Messiah,” Rabbi Fish said. But we also see that earthquakes will increase around the world.” …
In his weekly sermon last week, Rabbi Nir Ben Artzi predicted that all manners of natural catastrophes are going to increase in the coming year.
“God will judge, ‘who to life and who to death,’” Rabbi Ben Artzi said. He also predicted that international conflict will increase. “The heart of the king is in the hands of God,” he said.

In a previous sermon, he explained why God uses nature in this manner.
“People believe that nature just happens,” Ben Artzi said. “That is a mistake we make because we don’t always see or hear God. If God left the world solely in our hands it would have been destroyed a long time ago.”
Rabbi Fish emphasized that it is a mistake for men to think they can control nature.
“The only thing we can do is pray and do tshuva (repent),” Rabbi Fish said. “But these are the greatest acts a man can do. In our age, when the messsiah is imminent, this can save the world.” https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/118586/yellowstone-eruption-gog-magog/

The Bible is clear that God controls the weather and various calamities, but wants people to heed His prophets:...."

Only Bullshit Bob could connect Yellowstone and the groanings and mutterings of its internal world to Gog and Magog, as if he knew. Well actually he doesn't. He merely throws the question out there refusing to take responsibility of pre-dicting as Biblical prophets were wont to do. Bullshit Bob does not predict. He does not put his word on the line to see how well he is doing. He merely reads the news like it was the Bible, fills in the blanks with speculation and makes a non-critically thinking fool out of himself. 

 Bullshit Bob is as much a Prophet as I am an Apostle.   The point does not need to be proven over and over. Weather is just weather.  Volcanoes are all exactly where the shifting plates or rising magma chambers put them. Storms have NOTHING to do with any God trying to do anything. A low pressure system is not God ordained and earthquakes are just how it works down in the ground beneath our feet.