Happy Thanksgiving from Bob Thiel and Banned!

 

Bob Thiel and I want to extend warm wishes for a 

Happy Thanksgiving and great football memories!

Bobby Grumpy Pants Ties Pilgrims and Thanksgiving Into AntiSemitism

 

Has the Church of God movement (Armstrong era) ever had a leader that was happy? Have any of them ever found joy in their lives? Have any of them ever marveled at the beauty that surrounds them?

For over eight decades the church has been filled with some of the grumpiest men imaginable. Nothing ever seems to please them so they have to find fault in EVERYTHING around them. This is perfect fodder for their erroneous belief that Satan is the god of this world. We can't really blame them when they have no knowledge of the "christ" they claim to follow. That creature is weak and impotent compared to the all-powerful entity they call Satan who lurks behind every corner of the world ready to devour them.

Today, our Great Bwana to Africa and 150 Caucasians did not put up his usual Thanksgiving anti-football schtick (at least, so far). This day he went darker and tired to prove the Pilgrims, Christians, and Thanksgiving have anti-Semitic roots.

After quoting an article from Israel 365, the all-knowing Bwana says:

Anti-semitism has been a factor in the Greco-Roman Catholic as well as Protestant religions for a long time–even though the ORIGINAL catholic church was considered to basically be Jewish and was not anti-sermitic. 

 

But for those who were not truly converted, anti-semitism crept in. It is not that all Greco-Roman Catholics and Protestants are anti-semitic, it is just that many of their important early leaders and influencers were.

After a lot of bloviating, Beto writes:

Let me add that various Protestant Reformers and many popes and patriarchs were anti-semitic. 

 

Leaders esteemed by the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, and Protestants have all advocated horrible antisemitism. They were NOT real Christians. 

 

While people who were referred to as “Christians” have committed atrocities and anti-Semitic persecutions, no real Christian would have done that (or at least would have repented if he/she sinned that way). Instead many who have claimed Christ have caused “the way of truth” to be blasphemed (2 Peter 2:2).

Let me add that there were a LOT of COG ministers, evangelists, and certain leaders who were anti-Semitic to the core. It would show up every once in a while in church publications which actually got the church in trouble many times.

When they opened the Ambassador Auditorium and were actively courting major Los Angeles donors (non-COG members) to be supporters of the concert series they hit a brick wall with the Jewish benefactors of Los Angeles. The church then put the PR Department into major overdrive trying to eradicate this belief. Booklets were pulled, articles pulled and sermons were pulled. It was soon after this that the church saw Herbert galavanting off to Israel numerous times as he swooped in with Stuebin Crystal gifts and loads of cash trying to impress Israeli officials. The church tried to clean up its image. Its biggest obstacle was Itzhak Perlman, the great Israeli-American violinist. He turned many Jewish donors against the church and the Ambassador Internation Cultural Foundation. He also refused to perform in the Auditorium due to the antisemitism of the church and vocally expressed that reason to the public many times.

Beto Grumpy Pants continues on with this:

It is not just Jews that are hated or will be in the future. Throughout history, true Christians have sometimes been called “Jews” and have been subject to persecution supposedly directed towards Jews. True Christians also had to suffer through the so-called Inquisition, which utilized torture against those that had Church of God beliefs–and more is expected in the future.

Beto loves to trot on this narrative as he tries to bolster the impression his church and his group of followers are the ONLY true Christians on the face of the earth. Of course, as the ONLY true Christian church on earth, this is going to piss off a lot of people who will soon be persecuting them.

Unless you repent of your unbelief in him and his message you too will suffer persecution at the hands of Christians. If you repent and join his merry band of Truthists, you too will be saved.

More persecution will be coming from those who falsely claim to be Christian, and that will include persecution of true and real Christians. 

 

Hopefully you will have God’s Spirit and the mindset of the persecuted, not the persecutors.

Gerald Flurry Injuries Worsening?

 

The Philadelphia Church of God has been very quick in trying to squelch rumors of the severity of Gerald Flurry's fall out of his bathtub. Cryptic messages went to members to pray for Flurry so that he could recover speedily and return to his awesome position as King of the Church of God. Flurry, like many other COG leaders, believes that he will be alive to help Christ usher in the Kingdom of God where he will get to sit at Christ's right hand and rule humanity. Can you imagine anything more revolting?

Exit and Support Network has a couple of notes up about how much more serious Flurry's injuries were than they initially let on.

November 23, 2022
Hello ESN, 

 

I just heard from my friend who spoke with a PCG member that Gerald Flurry suffered contusion in one side of his lower back when he fell in the toilet during their FOT this year. [See October 25 letter above about this fall.] His inability to produce a new episode for his Key of David (KOD) program proved that his condition has further worsened after the Feast. 

 

It is interesting to note that Gerald Flurry’s recent fall was his second. His first fall happened on January 4th, 2014 while delivering a sermon in Edmond. 

 

His continuing absence from his KOD program and his deteriorating health condition are now causes of major concern to the whole PCG. 

 

For the past four weeks after FOT, they have aired repeat episodes of the KOD. The latest one, which they labelled as “new,” was just a recording of GRF’s address from the September 4th opening of the Armstrong Institute of Biblical Archaeology. Last week they had to call in Brad Macdonald as a new presenter of KOD. 

 

But why employ a new presenter if GRF is coming back? Are they trying to condition the mind of their members and the public that GRF’s time is almost up? –D. S.

For those outside the Philadelphia Church of God looking in and those who have been the recipients of his abuse, all of this new information coming out is not a bad thing. However, things could actually get worse when Lil'Stevie takes over. He has been maneuvering and manipulating things in the background for several years now for this transfer of power to take place. Some believe things will actually be worse under Lil'Stevie than they are under his dad.

Another ESN reader commented on how the PCG leadership is controlling the narrative

November 23, 2022
I am not surprised that the ministry is hiding the severity of GF’s fall and injuries. They are all about the image and controlling the narrative in a way that best suits them. I am curious as to what explanation they gave to the members who would be wondering why Brad is now doing the KOD. I would have assumed Stephen would have taken that roll. Maybe they think they can get some someone a little more charismatic. –T. C.

The COG was always been great at controlling the narrative, that is until the internet brought them ALL down. None of them have ever recovered and will continue to sink further into oblivion.

RCG: The RCG Eraser

 The RCG Eraser

 

The most vitally utilized tool at the Headquarters of The Restored Church of God is the eraser.

 

David C. Pack spoke two days in a row last week, totaling three hours and twelve minutes. “The Greatest Unending Story!” Part 404 was followed by a “final” Part 405. (Insert snickering here.) Built upon a stack of pinkie swears, it was repeated that the Series was over. The Mystery of God was ended. The complete picture was simple. Watch and be ready. Mic drop.

 

A Friday night Prophecy Update got ahead of the eventual Sabbath morning failure when nothing biblical manifested in Jerusalem or Wadsworth, Ohio. (Insert gasp of shock here.)

 

Church Administration spends a lot of time managing expectations and soft-landing the members into another David C. Pack debacle. The Member Services Prophecy Updates and emails serve as quick and cheap mental erasers for the minds in RCG.

 

A Pathetic Update was posted last night, making clear that Turkey Day will commence without the threat of fire and brimstone from Dave's god. (Insert shrug here.)

 

 

Prophecy Update - Tuesday, November 22, 2022

 

As usual, additional knowledge has come. Do not be surprised if Elijah’s role is revealed and starts in the month of Kislev—and that in this month everything happens. Christ would come “as a thief” exactly when we expected with nothing occurring before this. We will see what hour of day or night this happens. We still cannot know. Enjoy Thanksgiving!

 

 

It still amazes me how over three hours of accurate, urgently-Livestreamed biblical revelation from God can be erased in a single paragraph.

 

The folks inside RCG are to erase all Dave said about when God’s plan for the Kingdom will start. Erase what Dave said about the sequence. Erase what Dave said about timing. Erase what Dave said about the duration of events. Just erase it from your brain as hard as possible, but be careful not to tear the paper while you are at it.

 

“As usual, additional knowledge has come.”

 

The complete, final picture is not so complete and not so final. The ever-learning cycle continues, as a non-prophet/non-psychic said. All former RCGers are saying it, too.

 

When you consult with Dave’s nemesis, the Dictionary, something interesting comes to the surface.

 

knowledge

1. facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject

2. awareness or familiarity gained by experience of a fact or situation

 

While pondering “The Greatest Unending Story!” Series through the entire 405+ Parts, one conclusion is undeniable. No “knowledge” has been gained. The murderous Dictionary makes it plain.

 

knowledge—the rcg way

1. Falsehoods and disinformation expressing a complete lack of skills by miseducation; purely theoretical and non-practical misunderstanding of Bible subjects.

2. Unawareness of physical reality in the face of absolute failure gained by supposition of fraudulent understanding substituted for fact.

 

The antonym for “knowledge” is “ignorance.”

 

To be more accurate, CAD should rephrase that first sentence to read:

 

“As usual, additional ignorance has come.”

 

THAT is factually accurate. The hateful, attacking Dictionary agrees.

 

David C.raptacular Pack, the Pester General of The Restored Church of Another god is doomed to repeat the cycle of ignorance until the True God intervenes, holding the Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy also accountable.

 

 

“Do not be surprised if Elijah’s role…”

 

Do not be surprised when Dave fails again. Do not be surprised when Dave goes back to the drawing board and does another reset on his current biblical construct. Do not be surprised if everything you have heard since Part 400 needs to be erased. Just to be safe, erase Part 398 and 399.

 

10 days is really 3 ½ days, but then it is 10 days again. 30 days is exactly 30 days to the second until it is about 30 days. 7 years means 7 days temporarily when it is 7 years again. The events are consecutive until they are concurrent. The Mystery of God is ended until next time. Daniel is fully unsealed, but there is more to discover. The picture the brethren have is complete and will not change, but God has brought more clarity. Tammuz will not change. Cheshvan will not move. Kislev is the correct month. We cannot know the day and the hour, except we know the day and the hour.

 

Does all that come from a sound mind or confusion? That is an open-ended question.

 

Even Dave has accidental moments of honesty and truth.

 

Part 404 – November 15, 2022

@ 48:43 I’ve got it. But configurations change. And that’s what is so fascinating. And what was so perplexing.

 

Endless, endless, endless configurations. That is what the Packian Triad of Fraud has been doing. There are no new cards in the deck, just a continuous reshuffling because the hand dealt is a bust. Every time.

 

This magic trick has kept most people in their chairs, so why change the routine?

 

This update is removing the surprise for future installments. Dave will want to erase when he said this.

 

Part 405 – November 16, 2022

@ 47:33 There is no 406. There’s nothing else to talk about.

 

 

The Elijah mention brings forward the subtext of Parts 404 and 405 that were not directly addressed in the previous articles. A big-picture review of those two messages makes a more horrific point.

 

Skimmers: Please do not miss this.

 

David C. Pack spent a lot of time preaching about HIMSELF during those three hours and twelve minutes. Mentions of Jesus Christ were only an aside.

 

Part 404

·      03:05 – Elijah comes first

·      24:05 – The Elijahn period

·      24:50 – Elijah is That Prophet

·      25:20 – The Twig of Isaiah 11

·      27:30 – The one making it plain of Habakkuk 2

·      33:30 – David of Psalm 89

·      36:30 – Joshua, the High Priest of Zechariah 3

·      52:00 – David of Psalm 89 is exalted

·      57:33 – Elijah is made a High Priest

 

Part 405

·      04:00 – The Seventh Messenger of Revelation sounds the trumpet

·      04:20 – He gives a warning of the sword of Ezekiel

·      04:30 – In Isaiah 11, Elijah is working with the poor and needy

·      06:05 – Elijah rises in Isaiah 41 as “the righteous from the east”

·      08:20 – “A lot of nations don’t know me today."

·      11:30 – Prophesy again from Revelation 10

·      12:20 – Prophesy before Christ gets here. Maybe it is the Series. Maybe more.

·      13:24 – Elijah is sent to all Israel per Malachi 3 and 4

·      17:30 – He is the faithful priest of 1 Samuel 2

·      27:30 – He is “the good man of the house” of Matthew, Mark, and Luke

·      39:00 – Elijah preaches to 100 million resurrected people

·      41:05 – The High Priest of Zechariah 3 kept his charge

·      42:10 – Deuteronomy 18 and That Prophet

·      46:40 – The Twig of Isaiah 11 goes forth

·      47:10 – The days of his voice from Revelation 10

·      48:46 – "I don't know when he's Elijah."

·      48:58 – “I made plain to The Restored Church of God” per Habakkuk 2

·      49:25 – The days of his voice would be about five

·      51:03 – He rises and goes to Jerusalem per Isaiah 41 "I got this now."

·      55:30 – Elijah is transfigured in Matthew 17

·      1:01:30 – Elijah is a type of John the Baptist

·      1:03:30 – The last Elijah deals with 8 billion people inside five days

·      1:07:55 – The modern John the Baptist (Elijah) will be called the Antichrist

·      1:09:55 – This man is talking to the world

·      1:12:30 – "I'm not prominent today."

·      1:16:32 – Like John the Baptist, God will speak to the modern Elijah

·      1:21:00 – Elijah blew up the structure of the world

 

Wow. When you list it like that from just two messages, it takes your breath away.

 

David C. Pack cannot stop talking because he preaches about himself. The Restored Church of God members listen to Dave preach about Dave. The plan of God is all about Dave. Dave is all throughout the Bible, and he cannot preach without addressing his own role.

 

He can get around mentions of Jesus Christ but not himself.

 

This should be a clear illustration of what is happening inside RCG. This is what all the hireling enablers support. This is what all the mindless zealots get excited about. Their god is speaking to them. Their idol pours oil into their ears, and they love to have it so.

 

"The Restored Church of Another god" is not a cutesy wordplay. It is a spiritual disaster unfolding before our eyes. God is giving the members of RCG every opportunity to see who and what David C. Pack is. When the time is up, they will have no excuse.

 

God have mercy on these people.

 

 

“Enjoy Thanksgiving!”

 

Not so fast. This is a mixed message of biblical proportions. Those two words fly in the face of what Dave said one month ago.

 

Part 400 – October 22, 2022

@ 1:20:14 …God comes on…Thanksgiving. And destroys Thanksgiving…On a nation that is utterly ungrateful but keeps Thanksgiving so they can so they can indulge themselves and watch football and get drunk.

 

This repeated video clip shows Dave throwing a temper tantrum, lambasting the RCG staff. He accuses them of being lazy and ungrateful. He also threatens to not give them Thanksgiving off.

For all his loud whining, Dave always caves. He caved with the History Channel. He caved with the staff.

 

After tearing them apart, Dave gave the staff Thanksgiving off. Even though it happens on a Thursday. And Thursday is during the work week.

 

Part 400 – October 22, 2022

@ 1:28:05 God says, “Six days shall you labor.” That’s a command. That’s why I work all six days…Only, now that’s not really true. I work all day on the Sabbath, too…

 

See. David C. Pack is more righteous than you. He is more righteous than God.

 

His ears may turn red as he stomps his feet, but the guy lacks the strength to follow through with his own words. For all his threats, he is like the guard dog barking at you ferociously until you approach the fence, and then it backs away. But it continues to bark like a cowardly little bitch.

 

David C. Pack is all bark and no bite. He is not a man of his word or someone to be feared.

 

After all his church-wide impotent pissing and moaning, Dave gave the RCG staff the day off. That point is worth repeating. He complained but then capitulated. He caved. That speaks to what kind of man he is.

 

The staff may now enjoy the day God was going to destroy. The day celebrated by a nation of ungrateful people. A day interfering with the God-commanded work week. A day of football. A day of beer.

 

David C. Pack’s words are as empty as the Headquarters Trust Meter. His words mean nothing to him, and they should mean nothing to you.

 

 

$100 says Dave will have football on the TV with a beer in his hand tomorrow. He will sit at the Thanksgiving supper table and enjoy his wife’s cooking. The false prophet. The false apostle. The biblical fraud. He will do everything he cried against, and those in his house will witness it.

 

Ryan, remember to tell him, "No gravy for you."

 

David C. Pack wants to erase what he said a week ago. He wants to erase what he said a month ago. He wants to erase what he said a year ago.

 

Erasing the past gives him power and control. Do not forget that.

Marc Cebrian

See: The RCG Eraser

Elton John, Crocodile Rock and the End Times

 

Elton John lit up Dodger Stadium for three nights this past weekend. It is hard to believe he played in this stadium 47 years ago in 1975, the year I came to Pasadena to attend the West Point of God's Church, Ambassador College.

I remember in 1973 and 1974 in the Dayton Ohio church area I grew up in listening to his songs at dances and on 8-track tapes in cars as we drove about. Most of us knew the words to his songs by heart.  In 1973 and 74 we were all wondering if we were going to be able to graduate from high school because Herbert Armstrong had idiotically proclaimed that 1971 was the start of the tribulation and that in 3 1/2 the kingdom would be here. Yet, here we were in 1973/74 dancing away, and in 1975 attending his concert in Los Angeles

Recently on one of the church-related Facebook pages students from Big Sandy were reminiscing about a college dance they had where Elton's Crocodile Rock started to play over the speakers and how a self-righteous minister shut the dance down because of it. The stupidity of ministers in this church never ceases to amaze me.

"1975 in Prophecy" came and went and nothing happened. God's House was holding its first season of church-funded concerts and money flowed freely as the church was bringing close to $1,000,000.00 a day in tithes and offerings.  HWA frequently hopped on his jet flying around the world so he could preach about a "strong hand from someplace". 

Garner Ted and others in the upper ranks were busy bed-hopping. Gerald Waterhouse was cruising West Hollywood and evangelists' children were peddling drugs at Imperial Schools and at Ambassador. So much for armageddon and the miraculous conversion of church members to kings and priests so they could rule over planets!

The church, being the church it is, never learned from its mistakes as ministers, evangelists, and church leaders never learned to keep their mouths shut about prophecy.

Today in 2022 the church is infected with malignant tumors like Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, Ron Weinland, John Rittenbaugh, and Bob Thiel who spread one prophetic lie after another. Nothing these fools has ever said has ever come to pass and never will.

Listening to Elton John I could not help but look back on the absolute craziness the church taught and certain splinter cults still do. At 75 years of age, he is still going strong while the Churches of God are becoming irrelevant and insignificant in anyone's life. More and more people are waking up realizing they do NOT need a Church of God as a source of salvation in their lives. 80 years of heretical teachings have driven hundreds of thousands of people out of the church over the decades. The church has damaged more lives than the Armstrongite era of the COG ever made a positive impact upon. It has certainly damaged more lives than Crocodile Rock!