Tuesday, March 5, 2013

The Non-Ordained Prophet Thiel/Guttenberg Bromance Heats Back Up

It is great to see that the bromance between the non-ordained prophet Thiel  and Baron Guttenberg is still going strong.  The non-ordained prophet has been awfully silent about the good Baron for several months.  I guess the non-ordained prophet was so busy starting his own splinter cult that the bromance went to the back burner.

The non-ordained prophet is seems to be slightly glad that the good Baron did not show up for a movie premier about his plagiarism scandal a few years ago. 

A comedic film about Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg premiered in Berlin last night.  But the Baron did not attend.

5 March 2013
“The Minister”: Guttenberg movie premiere – without Guttenberg…
the main character was missing: The former defense minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg (CSU) was away on Monday, as the much-anticipated television movie about his plagiarism scandal in Berlin premiere…
In the film, Baron Guttenberg is publicly being made fun of.

As regular readers know, I have wondered if former German Defense Minister Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg was a candidate to possibly be the final King of the North of Daniel 11 and Beast of Revelation. The fact that he has had problems is consistent with biblical and other predictions.
He remains one to watch.
So why does the non-ordained prophet have such a fascination with the good Baron?  The non-ordained prophet feels that the good Baron fulfills the scripture about a soon coming man who is rejected by his peers.

Bible prophecy warns about a leader who was rejected who will rise up and lead Europe per Daniel 11:21-44. One verse to focus on is verse 21. Here are four translations of it from Catholic and Protestant sources:
21 And there shall stand up in his place one despised, and the kingly honour shall not be given him: and he shall come privately, and shall obtain the kingdom by fraud. (Daniel 11:21, Douay-Rheims)
21 “‘His place will be taken by a reject, a man spurned and passed over for advancement. He’ll surprise everyone, seemingly coming out of nowhere, and will seize the kingdom. (Daniel 11:21 from THE MESSAGE: The Bible in Contemporary Language © 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson. All rights reserved.)
21 And in his place shall stand up a contemptible person, to whom they had not given the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in time of security, and shall obtain the kingdom by flatteries. (Daniel 11:21, ASV)
21 ‘And stood up on his station hath a despicable one, and they have not given unto him the honour of the kingdom, and he hath come in quietly, and hath strengthened the kingdom by flatteries. (Daniel 11:21, Young’s Literal Translation)


Douglas Becker said...

Came and went two Millennia ago.

Not just a false prophet -- a false prophet who can't tell time.

Of dubious sexuality, it seems.

Joe Moeller said...

Are all bets off now on Franz Josef Strauss?

Is Hitler still hiding in Argentina?


Joe Moeller
Cody, WY

Byker Bob said...

Interesting. Thiel probably won't comment on the death of Hugo Chavez today, because that actually bodes well for the security of the Western hemisphere. It is also a total non-starter in the Armstrong prophecy model.


Head Usher said...

Armstrongism has has no use for any news story that does not suggest that the human race is on the verge of catastrophe.

It has always overlooked the entire historical record of how a world "in decine" has been on a decidedly ascending trajectory since the Industrial Revolution began. It has overlooked how morality, rather than just constantly going downhill is like a pendulum. If ancient Rome and all the other pagan religions were so morally bankrupt, and so is mainstream christianity, then how do you explain the relatively "moral" state of western civilization as found by HWA? Obviously, "false" christianity transformed western civilization from the "decadence" of Rome to the "righteous" Judeo-christian society that HWA was always having conniption fits that society was now "declining" from (once again). If Armstrongism were fair, they should have been praising "false" mainstream christianity for a job well done for 1900 years, but that doesn't fit with the gloom and doom story of mankind winding down into oblivion that pays the bills.

In fact, society ebbs and flows. We have upswings and downswings, followed by more upswings. You have to overlook an awful lot of evidence to buy into the doomsday model of the world pushed by Armstrongism.

Anonymous said...

Do you think if they did a series of psychological profiles on the members of the COG's and other groups like it, what they would find? We often focus on the dysfunctional leaders, but it would be of interest to think about the personality traits of the followers.

Douglas Becker said...

There are certainly enough mental disorders to go around.

However, the leaders are the ones doing the most damage, often inducing the mental disorders in their followers.

Abuse does that, particularly when the source comes from people who have had the power and wealth for a long time with no accountability.

Anonymous said...

I don't think you'll find mental disorders in Armstrongist splinters at siginficantly different rates than are common in other religious or pseudo-religious organizations. You could call religion itself a mental disorder, I suppose, except that the entire population was more or less religious in ancient times. I do think cults attract weaker people in general, though I don't think that's the same as a mental disorder. IMHO, I think that what we see in Armstrongism is just the typical addictive personality dynamics of abuse/codependency. Only thing is, the addictive substance is religion.

Douglas Becker said...

At least mental disorders were shown to be higher in the WCG than the general population.

And alcoholism was way higher.

Anonymous said...

I was hoping for video of hot "Beast-on-Bob" action!

Joe Moeller said...

Im an observant guy, and statistically oriented.

My best reasonable guess is that people in the COG represent a good basic cross section of society.

Other churches, such as the SDAs and Baptists have commissioned studies of their followers. They found the same basic level of sin and dysfunction as those in the world. Percentages of adultery, abuse, mental illness, homosexuality, divorce, alcoholism etc.
Oh, Im very sure that the general COG is no different.

What does this mean?

Looks like God was serious when he said that he would be calling "The weak and the base things". Purpose... to confound the mighty. Yep, we losers, in spite of ourselves, continue on and struggle and there is a purpose to it all.

In looking at it in my own person, I know that knowing Christ has made me a better person, and has restrained me from indulging the ever present "id" , that evil self demon , that is ever present in all of us that would lead us in self destructive ways.

Pick your poison, but in the flesh, we are all just a little bit insane, if we are honest about it.

The fact that we are spending time on this forum, might even be the first evidence.

Joe Moeller
Cody, WY

Anonymous said...

You're contradicting yourself, Joe.

First you suggest that COG people must be a simple random sample with no bias to skew the distribution from reflecting the distribution of the rest of the world. Then you say God only called "the weak and the base". But if COG people were a good cross-section, then he'd have to call some "mighty" as well. Doesn't make sense...

BTW, I mostly agree with your first guess, that "so goes the world, so goes 'the church'". What does this mean? It means that God has nothing to do with it. It means the COGs aren't "His church". It means He's not "calling" anyone into the COGs. It means Christ hasn't made you a better person at all, it's just YOU making you a better person.