Did you know that when the non-ordained self-appointed prophet left the Living Church of God that the LCG started deteriorating? Was the LCG only being held together by the presences of the greatest prophet ever? When he removed himself from the church did that start its sudden decline?
Non-ordained prophet Thiel thinks so! The prophet uses two of Meredith's latest member letters to prove his point:
02/23/13 a.m. Ever since I had to leave the Living Church of God and form the Continuing Church of God, LCG has experienced a variety of problems. Here are some comments from two recent letters from Dr. Meredith:
Even since my last message to you indicating that we have some serious problems and weaknesses here at Headquarters, I have received word from Mr. Gerald Weston that—like at Headquarters—Satan appears to be striking directly at the television area in Canada. Because we do not have enough “Canadian content,” we are being put off of our third best station there. Also, because of “doctrinal differences,” we are being put off of our second best station in Canada. Then, on top of that, our overwhelmingly major station in Canada, VISION Network, is in danger because of certain governmental regulations that are being changed.
Meredith blames Satan for LCG's troubles and prophet Thiel blames their compromising of the gospel message in Canada to fit the rules of the censors.The “prince of the power of the air” is striking directly at the major center of our media efforts in God’s Work today—our television program!...
We will deeply appreciate your fervent prayers, dear brethren, that God will intervene and help us do everything we can do and should do so that He can bless us and deliver us in all these situations.
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Within the last few weeks, the income for this Work has dropped somewhat, and a spiritual malaise has appeared to set in among a number of people...
Dear brethren, this Work will carry on with increasing power as it always has—if we do our part. (Letter, 2/14/13)
The non-ordained prophet talks about a letter that Meredith sent to him personally this past week. The non-ordained prophet had this to say to Meredith:
Prophet Bob continues to show his bitterness to Meredith and LCG. The prophet then sticks the knife in further with this:
Perhaps I should mention that Dr. Meredith did send me an unusual email this week, and in my reply, I told him that "without changes, I do not believe that LCG can possibly be the group that God will use to complete the final phase of the work. I have totally committed myself to support the Philadelphian end time work of God, which is why, to a great degree because of steps you did and did not take, the Continuing Church of God (CCOG) had to be formed."
Maybe those in LCG should realize that God may not be giving that group as much favor anymore? LCG no longer truly leads God's work. Hopefully, possibly because of its fast today, some will be better able to reflect on that.
14 comments:
Thiel needs professional help.
Flurry needs professional help.
Meredith needs professional help.
The trolls on here from GCI need professional help.
That's what people say to those who don't agree with them: "Get some professional help."
People who think the professionals are there to help need some professional help.
God obviously isn't using any of the Armstrongists for any kind of mythical 'End Time Work'.
Star Trek conventions are more fun and probably more meaningful.
Yes, my first reaction even to the headline was "Well, duh!" Other non-ACOG groups are systematically accomplishing this work on a scale not even imagineable from an Armstrongist perspective.
What Thiel doesn't realize is that his own work in this direction will also go nowhere. He should apply himself to his therapy work.
Assuming he's even skilled at that, everyone will be much better off!
BB
I wonder why Thiel is given so much attention on this website. I mean, really, what's the point? Thiel basically keeps pathetically repeating the same message over and over and over, as if repeating it ad nausium will somehow make it true. So why even give this guy the light of day?
Anonymous said... Thiel needs professional help. Flurry needs professional help. Meredith needs professional help. The trolls on here from GCI need professional help. That's what people say to those who don't agree with them: "Get some professional help." People who think the professionals are there to help need some professional help.
March 6, 2013 at 7:04 AM
My comment
Years ago an old country doctor told me that the “professionals” who focus on specific categories in the medical profession are often dealing with personal problems in that area. I have found that people who make an aggressive effort to tell other people how they should live are often coping with personal disappointments in their life. So far I have not discovered any way to help such people beyond accepting them as they are without responding to their demands.
There is one thing that has caused a great deal of concern. It seems to me that there are two factors that have made inroads in humanity. One is mental instability (often defined as crazy) and the others is a reduction in intelligence (often defined as stupidity). These are generally dealt with through different corrective methods. I am not sure if there are methods presently designed to correct those who are afflicted with both of these conditions. It may take awhile before proper treatment can solve those in this category.
The end time, the end time, etc. on and on for millenia and centuries! I know i'm in my personal end time. As for humanity and the planet, no end currently in sight, but that could change tomorrow. I woke up to Kim Jong Un threatening to attack South Korea. Iran is apparently (if it isn't just more war monering) rushing headlong to developing an atom bomb. Disquieting to say the least.
As for Bible end times, that's all a lot of hokum. Convenient for the mentally deranged who don't realize they are mentally deranged to hang onto.
As for concetrating on Thiel, in many respects, his significance is far from making it worthy. However, he is a part of the great splitsville this site is dedicated to exposing, so as inane as his grab for glory is, some attention has to be paid to him.
COG groups as a rule, focus way too much time on each other.
Pack, Thiel, Meredith, Malm, Flurry et al, constantly watching and judging the other groups, who , en toto, are about 30k people.
There are 7 BILLION other people on the planet that they can focus on serving, but the attention always goes back to this weird mutual penis envy.
One thing you can credit HWA with being smart about, is that he did not waste time trying to convert or go for COG 7th Day people, other than his local original group of 19. His missive and message went to new market, and he did not seem to care about the daily goings on of the former group and could have cared less.
No, Armstrong just flushed them down to the "Sardis Trashbin" and moved on. He claimed no mantle or authority or recognition from COG 7 either. If these current guys were true spiritual entrepreneurs today, they would follow the same strategy... build with new blood.
This constant scavenging and pie cutting of the "Armstrong Corpse" is a bit old, lacks creativity and genius, and wont work. The future will belong to the group that learns how to relate to the present reality and a new generation of people, who possess a far different paradigm, need and message than the old WCG ever provided.
Joe Moeller
Cody, WY
There's much mental instability and reduction in intelligence among armstrongists.
That's a fact that I hope they will deal with in a proactive manner, in order to benefit themselves, their friends and families, and society at large.
Movements have drama and terror in order to create the motivation and drive to have people commit time , money and energy to it.
End of the World attracts attention. There is something so primal about it, as it eliminates hope for anything, and ceases "kicking the can down the road" type of thinking. It demands immediacy.
Thus movements like "Global Warming" have an "End of the World" element to it, or "The Aids Crisis" or "Buy Gold", or many others.
I find such marketing technique to be weak, short term result orientated, and unsustainable regardless of the movement involved. Why does the timing of the end matter at all? Lets live today, produce today to the fullest. Let "The End" take care of itself.
. Alan said above that he was in his "personal end time". Yep, we all are in that sense, perhaps living to 80 years old, if we are lucky, and most of us reading this are well on the way to that personal point of destiny.
So rather than dwelling on the "END" , lets get busy truly living, learning, serving, giving. Your cause, whatever it is, must stand on a greater motivation than FEAR.
Perfect love casts out fear.
Joe Moeller
Cody, WY
"Perfect love casts out fear"
BTW, even a half-assed intelligence casts out the UCG, LCG, and Prophet Bob's, as being one of the better churches.
"The future will belong to the group that learns how to relate to the present reality and a new generation of people, who possess a far different paradigm, need and message than the old WCG ever provided."
...which is pretty much verbatim what Jeremiah says. I personally don't see any contenders at all for this, however. Not in United, certainly not in the Church itself (barring miraculous intervention of course), and definitely not in any of the splinter groups.
Though I don't think there was necessarily anything wrong with the message that the Church originally provided. Other than the Armageddon-always-around-the-corner rhetoric, which they could have downplayed a LOT more IMO, and which they were starting to, by the mid-1980s. Now, once Armstrong got sick, all bets were off, and we all went a little stir-crazy "it must be the end times" -- which was part of the idolatry the Church was punished for.
It seems to me the congregations that had the highest numbers of members, and the lowest incidents of problematic members and/or ministers, were the ones that preached from the Bible first, and where the Church agreed with the Bible second, with the Church literature as backup for the second part. At least, the congregations in Canada that I attended, when I was growing up.
Thiel is so transparently self-serving in his opinions about LCG. Does he anticipate that no one can see this?
I think we can all take heart that HWA is dead, and that no one left in Armstrongism has a clue how to influence people the way HWA did. We can all rejoice that Armstrongism in all it's many forms is winding down, decaying, dissolving, and will eventually be a footnote at the bottom of an obscure, yellowing page toward the back of a dusty, forgotten history book. Soon Armstrongism will have no adherents and the gates of hell will have prevailed upon this sad chapter in the history of fundamentalist cults.
Douglas Becker said...
Star Trek conventions are more fun
and probably more meaningful.
That reminds me of this crazy story from CGI. StarTrek TNG was big in the late '80's. So, I guess to hold on to the younger people's attention they had this crazy anology.
The story goes that Garner Ted was like Capt. Jean Luc Packard and Ronald Dart was Comm. William Riker.(I found it hard to visualize Garner ted as Packard, Ronald Dart was 100 times smarter and more like Packard) The Q from the Q continumm was like Lucifer. As a teenager, I actually kind of
bought into this crap. Especially the Q episodes.
BTW whatever happened to R. Dart and 'The Prime Directive'?
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