Monday, April 3, 2017

The Accuser of the Brethren

It has been bad day in Arroyo Grande for Almost-arrested, Elisha, Elijah, Amos, Joshua, Peter- Paul and Mary, Habakkuk, doubly blessed, African prophet, second witless witness and disappointing "son" of Rod Meredith who went into meltdown mode  over a posting here that called out his absurd command for women to wear scarves on their heads when praying.  I opened my computer up before church today and the screen was all wet from his spittle flying.  Take a valium Dude!  You take yourself too seriously! Seriously!

The false prophet posted:
While I do not intend to respond to most of the falsehoods and accusations he continues to post about me, I thought it could be helpful to some for me to show what he falsely asserted about me today, to help demonstrate that he and others like him need to repent and should not be trusted until they do so.
He then proceeds to write a huge screed trying to make himself out as a martyr for the "truth" he claims is revealed to him.   After publishing a list of 28 points for prayer that included head coverings for women, he melts down that he was mocked for publishing such a useless list.  Why is it that ever y wannabe COG leader feels they need to have countless "points" in order to preach or write about something? There is already a simple formula set forth in the Bible, that most all COG leaders love to ignore as they pick and choose what THEY think is right for their LITTLE flocks, which can be found in Matthew 6:9-13.  I just happened to look at The Message version which accurately describes what Elisha Thiel did when he published his absurd list:

Matthew 6:9-13The Message (MSG)

7-13 “The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They’re full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don’t fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply.
That is exactly right!  Bob Thiel's 28 points is NONSENSE!  He is a peddler of scripture perversion inserting his own warped beliefs as standards for others to follow.   There is only this example that Christians need to consider, not the endless lists of COG ministers:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what’s best—
    as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You’re in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You’re ablaze in beauty!
    Yes. Yes. Yes.
Habakkuk Thiel then continues with this:
People like Gary Leonard say all kinds of evil against me falsely–this is one way they persecute. 
Sadly, Gary Leonard and many other opponents do not care about the truth and think that they are getting away with their lies and falsehoods.
How can I persecute a man who has NEVER been set apart by God to lead an end time Church of God?  God had nothing to do with a double blessing.  God never appeared in any dreams to Amos Thiel.  No matter how much he wants to "prove" himself to be right, God had NOTHING to do with the false African prophet's apostasy from the Living Church of God.  His own narcissism and vanity caused him to stab Rod Meredith in the back and set himself up as some specially appointed new end time witnesses.  If anyone in the COG preached 'the doctrine of demon's" it is Mayan authority Bob Thiel!  He is a prime example of what lying deceivers do to gullible people who truly are trying to follow God.  What he is doing is weighing each and everyone of the African members down with mill stones due to his legalistic bullshit.  Yes, Bob, you preach BULLSHIT!

After whining and grumbling he adds this, to justify his all too funny meltdowns:
Because of Proverbs 26:4, I do not respond to most of the lies and false accusations at the Banned By HWA site, but because of Proverbs 26:5, I sometimes will.
This is what Proverbs 26:5 says:
Proverbs 25:6-7The Message (MSG)
6-7 Don’t work yourself into the spotlight;
    don’t push your way into the place of prominence.
It’s better to be promoted to a place of honor
    than face humiliation by being demoted. 
Amos Thiel should have thought that verse through before he posted it! Joshua Thiel has been working over time to put himself in the spotlight.  Endless posts about double blessings, multiple dreams by himself and others, whining how Rod Meredith humiliated him, grumbling how Rod Meredith and the Living Church of God IGNORED his wise words and that he is a prophet, that he is an apostle, etc., etc., etc.  The self-appointed false prophet has continually sought to place himself in a place of prominence in the church as the ONLY work that is growing at 30%...which it is not. Elijah Thiel has the incessant need to be placed in a place of honor.  Just look at the endless number to titles he has given himself. His fake "university degrees" His non existent degree from Fuller Seminary. His appearances on radio prophecy programs, his books and articles he writes and much much more.  Being seen as important is a big deal to the hundreds of lying false prophets of Armstrongism and Thiel is no exception.  Then to top it all off with the ultimate humiliation, Elisha Thiel was DEMOTED by Rod Meredith.  He was publicly rebuked by Rod Meredith.  Meredith rejected him as a prophet.  He was cast aside. He is regularly mocked by various ministers of the Living Church of God. That has to be a bitter pill to swallow.

The false prophet then writes:
As regular readers at the website are aware, I provide scriptures and many facts and reasons to back up my writings. Gary Leonard and others should ask themselves if they can accept the truth or if they prefer dismissive conceit.
As regular readers from all the Churches of God know, the ministry has a horrible track record of throwing out scriptures and twisting them to fit their own perverse beliefs.  When men lie like Thiel about God doubly blessing himself  and by self-appointing himself as a church leader, no matter how many scriptures he quotes he has no credibility. 
Gary Leonard is an accuser of the brethren (Revelation 12:10), and often a bearer of false witness (Exodus 20:16).
You Amos Thiel are NOT brethren!  You are the one that is hurting the brethren by your lies and false teachings.  The worst part in all of this is seeing sincere people in Africa duped by your lies.  You bear false witness to the everything that Jesus did and accomplished just so you can weigh their lives down with your bastardized version of the law.

Even those of your former fellowship, the Living Church of God, understand you to be an "accuser of the brethren."

See the story here:  

The doubly blessed one then writes:
Although he tries to disguise it, much of his hate is without cause. Gary Leonard hates those who pretend to be in the COG as well as those that truly are in the Church of God. Jesus taught:
You ignorant little man.  No where have I said I "hate" COG members, nor has anyone else here ever said that.  What we do hate is liars who self appoint themselves like you did, like Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, Ron Wienland, and many other deceivers of the brethren have done.  You are the ones that hate the brethren.  You lie and promote lies in order to keep people away from the very person they claim to follow.  Jesus is unknown to you.   

I want people to be free to follow Jesus into the unknown and revel in grace knowing that they NEVER have to follow another idiotic Church of God minister again in their lives.  Those here that follow Jesus, those that are agnostics and atheists, actually want what is best for COG members and that is to be free.  

While we might have different ideas on how that might be accomplished we are united in getting people freed from the cesspool you and others have created.  There will be others after me, Dennis, James, Bob, Allen, etc.  We will never be stopped until the the last personality cult bites the dust.  That you can be assured off! And, you and your impotent man-made god can never stop that.  


Byker Bob said...

I'd respect Bob Thiel immensely more if he were a garbage man. At least, then, he'd be picking it up instead of spreading toxic waste!


Anonymous said...

I sense more butthurt from Thiel over this.

Anonymous said...

It's obvious by the lack of fruit, that Bob Thiels church is man made. So why complain about the criticisms. Even regular posters here like Dennis complain of being called a 'pig' (as in 'don't throw your pearls before swine'), but Bob, like the privileged spoilt ministers, thinks he should be about criticism.

Anonymous said...

"Peter,Paul and Mary".When I read this was now part of his "title" I fell over laughing.I love it and weren't they were great entertainers.
Just like Bob.
Bob,we will give you no rest.
These websites expose the lies and false theology you pedal.
And the physiological issues that are the backdrops to those pedalling them.
We will be doing a great disservice if we keep silent.
We are not haters of the church,we love the church that is why we will NOT be silenced.

Hoss said...

The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. - Oscar Wilde

When I posted to the Banned article, I hadn't seen Bob's heated retort. We stand accused of a mixture of "truth and error", but then, truth, like error, is in the eye of the beholder. My concern is I don’t know when someone, anyone, deliberately and knowingly presents less than accurate information for the sake of preserving Armstrongism. Or for that matter, criticizing it.

I read through Bob’s book on Prayer some time ago, and glanced at it again today. Some things I would not agree with, ranging from small points that may be misleading to systemic flaws. I commented on one of these before, an incorrect conclusion based on a shallow interpretation of Ezekiel 8:16.

Anonymous said...

It's the bull sh*t ALL the splinter groups spit out of their mouths is the reason I prefer to attend the Church of God of the Abraham Faith. Anthony Buzzard is apart of the Restoration movement and an X-WCG minister. He to had the good sense to get away from that Armstrong crap.

Anonymous said...

Both NO2HWA and Thiel get their arguments (by which I mean "A fact or statement used to support a proposition; a reason", not "A verbal dispute; a quarrel") from the Bible. Some onlookers might think it is the Bible itself that is the problem.

Anonymous said...

3.31 AM
If your new church works for you, why not.
Why must all these Herbie splinters claim to be the one true church, since it cannot be the case. Yet their ministers know full well that a Christian is one who follows Christ rather than one who warms a seat at the 'right' church. They lie through their teeth, while teaching their members to not even tell white lies. One standard for me, another for thee.

Anonymous said...

Everything about Bob Thiel sends up red flags. That is why so many of us in LCG considered him to be a snake in the grass. He is manipulative and deceitful in his actions and will smear anyone in his quest for adulation. Thiel needs to be seen and heard. He imagines himself an authority in everything, particularly when it comes to the Bible. It was delightful to sit in services the day Mr. Meredith slapped him around.

Black Ops Mikey said...

As I was talking to a woman at the Barber College where I went to be assured I won't have long hair as the Apostle Paul recommends based on nature, I mentioned to her that I had spent one too many times with people who had gone through their psychotic break and I preferred not to be around them or deal with them any more. I might be sympathetic to their plight, but I just can't take it any more.

Of course, I did not tell the story of the young man in the Church of God Seventh Day who had a psychotic break, and being the religious sort, bought 100 McDonald hamburgers and "preached" to dogs in an alley, who, we suspect were there for the burgers and not the message of salvation. Several years later, he had another psychotic break and dragged me into it, saying he wanted me to have dinner with his Father because he saw his dad as God the Father, He was Jesus, God's son and I was the Holy Spirit. He wanted pure fuel for his Metro, so he put water in the gas tank. It wouldn't run, so he put his finger into the fuel spout and tried to put the holy spirit of power into the tank.

So after I told the woman I did not want to be around crazy people any more, I asked the question, "Does this make me a bad person?"

She indicated no as her opinion.

And so it is, we have people running around who believe in British Israelism and give sermons. I do not want to be around them any more in any capacity. According to Donna Kossy, anyone who believes in British Israelism is a kook. I do not want to be with kooks.

I think my approach, though not in line with the liberal agenda, is the best approach for my mental health. I have seen what nuttiness can produce. It is for this reason that I staunchly oppose Armstrongism and the kooks in it that preach.

It may be well for all leaders of the Armstrongist sects to explore their options to recover from whatever mental disorders they have.

In the meantime, I'm avoiding them.

You might not agree, but I think that's the most reasonal approach for everyone.

Anonymous said...

The Church of God Of The Abraham ice Faith is NOT a splinter group of the Armstrong cult. We've been around since the 1800's.

Anonymous said...

You should check out the writings of Mr. Obie Folsom Benton of Church of God (Beth-El).